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| Posted on 04-Dec-2002 09:21 GMT by Jedi | 236 comments
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From Amiga.org (post #52) :
"OK, last word before Aachen Show....
The is no Mai without April. The Articia does not work as promoted. There. We have said it. Everything that has been promised for the AmigaOne and the Pegasos will not work without April -- April is *mostly* a "patch." With April the Articia will work as advertised, without April the Articia will not. Betatesters of the A1 and the "Betatester (Pegasos)" know that there are difficulties.
In September and October bplan developed the "patch" with Mai. There is no other patch for the Articia and there was no other assistance from anyone else in creating it. This is why the Pegasos, A1 and Teron are not available in quantity and why they will not be until the patch is mounted on the respective PCBs and shipped.
Check out the estimated shipping dates at the YDL site. Do you think they will get anywhere else sooner? Where is the biggest market? Is it MorphOS and OS4, or is it LinuxPPC? Where do you think Mai will focus? Not here (MorphOS/OS4)! Our sales commitments for the first 1000 Pegasos went 817 to Linux and the rest to this community (less two for OpenBSD and two for OpenBeOS).
Mai does not care about this market. They care about the Linux market. They want to sell the Articia and their board. They make chips and want to sell them. LinuxPPC is a bigger market for them. That will be their new focus. We are the poor stepchild now. Please forget all the delusions about the new Amiga or the Pegasos that will re-conquer the world when the hardware shows up. If we want success this is going to be hard work and a long haul.
In the meanwhile, you won't have to worry about MorphOS or OS4 being pirated by someone here now. There is a whole new world of potential users with an OpenSource/Freeware mentality that is about to consume this market and make it more irrelevant. This is a post-Napster world.... and Napster was only the beginning. Individual "freedom" has replaced respect for others. Something is wrong with this picture and it needs to be fixed, but it will not happen with dongles.
If this community wants a future it needs to start working together. We are spending plenty of money to make the Pegasos successful, but it is not our final focus. We are a niche market -- both OS4 and MorphOS. We need unity if we want to be more than a lingering historical footnote.
The Mai story is not over yet. The first patch is not enough. We figured this out in November when Mai was scurrying back to Tiawan to make what they thought would be the final solution. It is not. There are more problems. We finally solved all this a week and a half ago. Plus, we have added a couple of other features that are better accomplished in hardware than software (and don't believe a few lines of code will make the first patch work). If YDL sets off on their current course, they will "crash and burn" in a month after they finally introduce the product. The Linux market is unforgiving when it comes to hardware bugs. With all the success they will seem to achieve their liability will grow correspondingly.
Before you think this is another marketing stunt, here is something new. We know what Eyetech pays for the Teron/A1; we know what the A1 distributors pay. We would be willing to match the prices all around less 5% and provide an immediate solution to the community. We make the Pegasos. Eyetech does not. We have many of the same distributors. We can compensate Allan Redhouse through his success (something he is clearly about to loose with YDL Teron pricing). Hyperion too. Oh yes, you want to buy a G4 A1? Wake up people! Read the disclaimers on the YDL site. Do you understand what needs to happen before this will? There is a Pegasos G4 now. The question is not how fast the processor *can* work, the issue is how fast the processor *does* work! Let's get better organized. We are about to be crushed.
If we pulled eveyone together on this we might even honor those $50 coupons!
This market and community is in complete confusion. There is no leadership or vision and we need both fast or we can forget it. This is a public statement in good faith to Eyetech and Hyperion. Allan and Ben are formidible marketing opponents. We can forget the past if you can. We need to get into the same boat. Amiga Inc. has lost its leadership mantel. Selling coupons, promoting unachievable concepts and making wild claims about the next deal have worn tired and false. Fortunately, all have not blindly followed this route and Hyperion and Eyetech have a solid agreement in place that protects them in the event of Amiga Inc bankruptcy. And, before you think this is a "group hug" thing, we have paid our King County, Washigton legal counsel a retainer. We will commence legal action against Amiga Inc. this month. This is not some "get legal" BS. This is business and the Amiga Inc. management do not understand what business is. They "blew it" and we have had enough of their interference in our future.
The whole Mai/YDL collaboration has changed the situation dramatically. We hope this statement helps you understand this better.
We will give Hyperion a board. We will support the A1 Betatesters as we have our own. We don't have to trade sources or get Ralph having a beer with Ben, but we could all move ahead this way. Eyetech can certify the Pegasos to meet Amiga specifications -- they are positioned to do this. Hyperion and Eyetech can promote OS4. Great. We might even develop some collaborative efforts quickly. We should.
Things are moving very fast. We have alot to do. Thanks for reading this post and please think about it carefully. See you in Aachen!
Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill"
Thendic-France / Genesi
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| Posted by AdmV on 04-Dec-2002 08:37 GMT | More appalling acts of business being conducted in public across notice boards, news sites and web pages.
When ? When will these people get a damn clue about what they are doing. They are worthless the lot of them.
AdmV |
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| Posted by Peter Gordon on 04-Dec-2002 08:40 GMT | Looks to me like Bill is scared because of the YDL deal, and is spreading FUD. Of course, I have no evidence either way, so thats just a "feeling". And I'm probably biased.
If what Bill says is true, the AmigaONE would be hopelessly crippled, but Alan insists that its working, and he's seen it working. The problem is that I have had dealings with Eyetech in the past, and they have always been honest and helpful. Thendic just sort of appeared from nowhere (as far as I can tell), so that is where my bias comes from. Some sort of official response, posted on the eyetech and Amiga websites instead of on web forums, as Bill is so keen to do, would be most helpful. |
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| Posted by Senex on 04-Dec-2002 08:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 2 (Peter Gordon):
Having seen the AmigaOne running doesn't mean the bug wouldn't exist. Look at the Betatesters (Pegasos or AmigaOne), you can indeed actually work with a computer without April-chip - as long as you don't do anything, like USB, that doesn't work correctly because of the bug. |
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| Posted by Peter Gordon on 04-Dec-2002 08:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 3 (Senex):
Yes, but I'm not on the AmigaONE list, so I don't know what problems they've encountered. I was under the impression things like USB were working under linux. |
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| Posted by bbrv on 04-Dec-2002 09:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (AdmV):
@AdmV -- We know what we are doing. Do you? What have you developed lately? Are you a contributor of more than posts on message threads? Please elaborate on your experience and opinions and post them here. We are ready to listen to all thoughful opinions. We are looking for constructive criticism.
@Peter -- You are "probably biased." If you think we are scared, wait until you read the Aachen reports...;-) Sorry to be mysterious, but the "Shows" have to count for something!
@All -- We will have an AmigaOne at the Show and we may be forced to demonstrate the problems to fully convince you. Please read the amiga.org post again. Thank you.
Best regards,
R&B |
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| Posted by MrZorro on 04-Dec-2002 09:13 GMT | | Finally some really sensible words here, we should all work together, dividing the community again and again has costed far to much over the years. |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 09:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 6 (bbrv):
IMHO you should go out on a road trip. Go visiting Eyetech. Go visiting Hyperion. Have some beers. And bring some Pegasos boards with you. *Then* go to the show ... |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 09:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 7 (MrZorro):
That is so true! |
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| Posted by bhickman on 04-Dec-2002 09:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 7 (MrZorro):
I'm still waiting for them to put their money where their mouth is. So far they haven't been able to amount to much of anything at all.
- Bill |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 09:37 GMT | | Now I really want OS4+Pegasos. I sincerelly hope all parties involved can work together. The split has cost us too much. |
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| Posted by Jedi on 04-Dec-2002 09:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
> Now I really want OS4+Pegasos.
Why to want OS4 (not ready even on AmigaOne) on Pegasos when there is already MorphOS... |
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| Posted by Mike Bouma on 04-Dec-2002 09:44 GMT | I have had to deal with Bill Buck's unprofessional behaviour and misinformation/FUD spreading for too many times already. He is the last person within the Amiga community I would trust to bring everyone closer together (OK, ok, maybe Matt and Cooksey are even worse ;).
This document is just one of many examples. |
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| Posted by Jedi on 04-Dec-2002 09:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 13 (Mike Bouma):
> I have had to deal with Bill Buck's unprofessional behaviour and
> misinformation/FUD spreading for too many times already. He is the last
> person within the Amiga community I would trust to bring everyone closer
> together (OK, ok, maybe Matt and Cooksey are even worse ;).
>
> This document is just one of many examples.
and that's exactly again a personal attack from the famous Mike Bouma against Bill Buck...
(I hope you know your risks to continue spreading such things in public...). |
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| Posted by catohagen on 04-Dec-2002 09:56 GMT | >We will commence legal action against Amiga Inc. this month.
whats the reason for the legal action ?
So theres sold less that 200 pegasos boards for morphos users ?
maybe there isnt a marked left ? |
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| Posted by catohagen on 04-Dec-2002 09:58 GMT | >There is a Pegasos G4 now
prototype or are they available...like now ? |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 09:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Hyperion has the rights to Amiga OS4, but that won't materialize for *months* to come. Parts of it will still be old 3.x 68k code in emulation. Genesi has a working all-PPC AmigaOS-compatible today. Think about what cooperation in that field could mean.
Eyetech has rights to the hardware side of the Amiga One, but the solution they have choosen is more expensive than the competition (YDL), and buggy (!?!?). Genesi has a working HW product. A few more functions and a better form factor. Bugs solved. Better prize. Think about what cooperation in that field could mean.
Hyperion and Eyetech has knowledge and some legal rights for branding. But their products won't be here for a *long* time, and in a questionable (?) state. Genesi has the answeres to that. If the three of them could come together in a joint venture, the whole NG platform would get a flying start. Anyone not agreeing to this? |
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| Posted by Mike Bouma on 04-Dec-2002 09:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 14 (Jedi):
> (I hope you know your risks to continue spreading such things in public...)
Yes, none. But does Bill know the risks of all the Bullshit he is spreading as a company CEO, even about me personally or rival companies?
If you think I will sit by the sidelines, you are wrong. |
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| Posted by m0ns00n on 04-Dec-2002 10:01 GMT | Hello!
To Gensi:
You seem like an intelligent guy, Bill. Your view of the new IT market is spot on! Individualism has evolved into self centrisity, and to survive as an IT company, you need to realize this, even be a cynic at times. Linux is beaming ahead, and in my opinion, have left many older Operating Systems on the sideline. KDE is IMO becoming an OS of it's own, and a strong competitor to even Windows XP! Gnome 2.x has been adopted by Sun, and it means that we are in the phase of changes in the IT industry. I will not give you any evidence, but trust me, it is a feeling that has come to me. All this aside, we know that alternative operating systems have momentum, and the only way that the "Amiga" platform is going to make it, is if intelligent people unite and produce something that is as stunning as it is productive. All this "Amiga war" is just descructive. People should start working together. The companies that wage wars will in time be avoided, as no serious IT company can afford the risk that comes with working with "companies of war", specially small "companies of war".
The MorphOS/Pegasos solution can be a killer! AmigaOS 4/AmigaOne can also be a killer. But Amiga Inc. needs to realize that they have failed. They need to act like businessmen and work effectively with people who want the same as them. Such people are not Microsoft, Tao, Nokia and the lot. People who want what I here assume is the goal of Amiga Inc. (the Amiga platform), is Gensi, Hyperion and Eyetech. These four must work together. Alternative 2 is that, IMO, Amiga Inc. must be forced to step down. They interefere with Amiga companies more than they should, and their interference is often quite embarrasing. Sorry to say.
If the "Amiga" platform would be an united one, poineer companies like Opera and Trolltech might be very interested in porting their products. Companies which are not stranded on a platform. But first, the potential partner must be able to see, clearly, what he is to partner with. Partnering with either Amiga Inc. or Gensi would be difficult at the moment, as the first thing one would think is: "Which one of you should I pick? You seem to do the same thing? Is this real?". The _confusion_, as you said, Bill, must end.
I do not think I need to say more. You seem to be on top of things. I like the way you use this forum. Brings more seriousness here, something which Ann has been starving for for a long time. You will find that old Amiga users will come to your platform if you can bring MorphOS to market in a stable form. Hire excellent artists to make the theme and icons (I must say, that even though the screenshots of MorphOS are premature, look at the KDE/Gnome themes. They knock MorphOS off the design chart. (look at the Crystal icon theme which is gonna be default for KDE 3.1)). Get somebody to do the equivalent to what designers did to MacOS X. People might shout that they do not care about eyecandy, but I am sure you know better.
ONE big advice!: do not let programmers decide the look and feel of an OS! Keep the AmigaOSish feel if you want, but remember - the GUI is where the users are lingering the whole day - if it is ugly, they will starve for something nicer. A girl would rather have a Barbie wan than a wooden block with wheels on it, even though they both slide across the floor!
My two cents.
Let us hope for a good future! |
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| Posted by Lennart Fridén on 04-Dec-2002 10:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 13 (Mike Bouma):
I'm inclined to agree. Trying to scare off competitors customers is...M$ practice. Trying to "unite" the "community" (I hate that term beyond belief) by forum posts is more than akward. Really, shouldn't he be speaking with Amiga Inc., Eyetech, nad Hyperion FIRST? If theythen don't want to "join forces" there's nothing more to it. Is Terra Soft and YDL our "common enemy" now? Nice try.
Funny, all this FUD has only made me more sceptical towards BPlan/Thendic/Genesi and even if the A1/Teron would be flawed I find it quite unproffessional to exploit it in this manner.
A word of advice Bill, take good care of Sharwin and Rakesh - they're your greatest asset when it comes to the mental department and have my highest esteme, which is more than I can say of the rest of you lot. |
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| Posted by catohagen on 04-Dec-2002 10:06 GMT | >We are about to be crushed.
When did you figure this out ? before or after the creation of Genesi ?
Whats the point of merging into a new name, announse the future is bright and
then serve all this ?
When did you figure out that USB didnt work ? How could Chris Hodges usb stack
be developed for pegasos when the hardware are failing ?
Are you saing A1 developers found out that usb isnt working, and just
keeps it quitet until a1 users get all the trouble ?
"We are about to be crushed. " and taking legal action against Amiga Inc is
the solution `? |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 10:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 13 (Mike Bouma):
> ... misinformation/FUD spreading ...
Which parts are not true?
* The HW bug? That one has been confirmed by "the other camp" as well, you know!
* Terra Soft selling the same Teron boards to a lower prize? Well, go and see for yourself!
* That Amiga Inc is has lost "it", living high up in the blue? Well then, where have you been the last years?
* That everyone would benefit from cooperation? Well, I thought that would be obvious! |
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| Posted by elektro on 04-Dec-2002 10:09 GMT | | What a load of bullshit. |
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| Posted by Andrea Maniero on 04-Dec-2002 10:12 GMT | In reply to Comment 13 (Mike Bouma):
I distinctly remember when `someone' first mentioned the ArticiaS bug, and the reaction from `someone else': "no, there's no such bug!". So, when I see such open postings coming from that side, I won't judge them as FUD/misinformation, and instead, I'll give them some credits.
I remember also that until 1-nov-2001 A1 where going to be on sale in Nov 2001. Summing everything up, I know whom press release to trust more. I'm prepared to be proved wrong, though, since (like many others), I'm quite disillusioned.
OTOH, Mike, you have often been a megaphone to Amiga Inc., repeating their press releases that almost never came to reality, and you never doubted you were spreading misinformation. I didn't think you could become so biased. I'm sorry, but this is MHO.
Kind regards,
Andrea |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 10:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 15 (catohagen):
There MUST be an Amiga market left since 7 mio machines were sold and many people
remember their pleasant Amiga days and want to come back when there is new Amiga
labeled hardware now! *LOL* |
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| Posted by catohagen on 04-Dec-2002 10:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 22 (takemehomegrandma):
>The HW bug? That one has been confirmed by "the other camp" as well, you know!
well, didnt Alan Redhouse have a board with the hw bug fixed at WOASE ?
so A1 are being shipped with the bug fixed...maybe what billbuck is doing
here are making a product of the fix and announces it as April, you get
in the headlines with that :) |
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| Posted by derf on 04-Dec-2002 10:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 17 (takemehomegrandma):
myself personally, i dislike the 'better' form factor of the pegasos seeing as all the cases i have take ATX style boards just fine, and i like more pci slots than having things 'on board'.
i would actually like to know from bill buck himself just why micro atx mobo's are 'better'. |
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| Posted by David Scheibler on 04-Dec-2002 10:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 21 (catohagen):
>When did you figure out that USB didnt work ? How could Chris Hodges usb stack
>be developed for pegasos when the hardware are failing ?
IMHO the main point is: working and working fully makes a difference here. |
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| Posted by Frodon on 04-Dec-2002 10:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 18 (Mike Bouma):
Hello,
@Mike Bouma
Please read what Bill said with an unbiased view.
Personnally I see no FUD nor misinformations. Maybe you don't believe him about the first patch not working fully, so you take this as misinformation and/or FUD, but in fact you have no clue about this. An unbiased guy will at least give him the benefice of the doubt.
And in fact you will be able to ask him to show you that it's buggy at Aachen and either prove him wrong or right.
So before categorising things as FUD or misinformations please check them! You claim to be a journalist, but you don't seem to have the spirit of a journalist.
Regards |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 10:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 19 (m0ns00n):
@ m0ns00n
Well said! I agree to it all! |
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| Posted by Lennart Fridén on 04-Dec-2002 10:17 GMT | I really like the part where Genesi is trying to "divide and conquer" the AI/Eyetech/Hyperion team by going after one of it's members and trying to "cooperate" (per Genesi's terms no doubt) with the other two. Real nice.
Sounds a bit like the Oidipus syndrome.
Bill to Ben: "Right, let me just kill your husband and then I'll marry you."
Given the fact that Genesi would be nowhere without the Amiga in the first place you could say that the Amiga is Genesi's father, so there's yet another similarity.
What a waste. |
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| Posted by Mike Bouma on 04-Dec-2002 10:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 20 (Lennart Fridén):
> A word of advice Bill, take good care of Sharwin and Rakesh
I agree, Genesi has some good and friendly employees. My problems are mainly with their (mis-)management team. I feel sorry for everyone who has to deal with Bill Buck (employees or partners), I believe they have to take alot shit from this guy.
What is remarkable however is that past management mistakes by Amiga Inc were often also blamed on related developers and companies, we seem to be far more objective with regard to this. However IMO Bill Buck's behaviours go beyond mistakes or misjudgements. |
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| Posted by catohagen on 04-Dec-2002 10:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 22 (takemehomegrandma):
>That everyone would benefit from cooperation? Well, I thought that would be obvious!
maybe, but cooperate how ? we have 2 hardware solutions, and 2 OS solutions
they cant all exist when cooperating ? so since pegasos have the April to
fix the HW bug, and morphos are stabile and rocking, we should do what to
cooperate ? |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 10:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 21 (catohagen):
>> We are about to be crushed.
> When did you figure this out ? before or after the creation of Genesi ?
"We" is not Genesi alone. "We" is We. |
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| Posted by derf on 04-Dec-2002 10:22 GMT | Alan Redhouse has just posted his take on the bbrv statement on the amigaone mailing list.
it is a good read and clarifies a few things from his perspective.
i also agree with alan on how the bbrv statement is mere marketing and trying to regain lost ground with big words and even bigger gestures ;) |
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| Posted by catohagen on 04-Dec-2002 10:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 28 (David Scheibler):
>IMHO the main point is: working and working fully makes a difference here.
ok...i see what you mean.....im no hardware expert, but usb is a Universal Serial Bus, it just sends and recives data, either it works or it dont ? |
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| Posted by David Scheibler on 04-Dec-2002 10:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (catohagen):
Of course there must be no cooperation and from the latest statement of Alan
Redhouse it's quite clear that Eyetech doesn't want to cooperate (although I
doubt that he really fully understood what was said there). |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 10:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 26 (catohagen):
> well, didnt Alan Redhouse have a board with the hw bug fixed at WOASE ?
I don't know about that, I wasn't there. But the question you should ask is: "HOW was it 'fixed', was it a software patch or hardware"? And then you should ask yourself why you have to buy extra cards (soundcards) instead of using the components on the mobo? |
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| Posted by Lennart Fridén on 04-Dec-2002 10:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (catohagen):
Oh, you know. Drop OS 4.0, drop the A1, kick Ben Hermans and Bill Mcewen in the butt, hand Genesi the brand name, hand Genesi the amiga.com domain, and generally give up breathing. We are Genesi - resistance is futile!
@ Mike Bouma: I'm not too sure Bill Buck is dumb enough to mistreat his employees, but then again I wouldn't know so I won't even speculate about it. |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 10:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 27 (derf):
>i like more pci slots than having things 'on board'.
You speak of one more PCI slot that hangs on AGP bus and influences it? :-\
>i would actually like to know from bill buck himself just why micro atx
>mobo's are 'better'.
Better or no better, you have more options when it comes to cases.
Big towers are so "out" now for a desktop computer and AmigaOne doesn't use
full 6 PCI slots anyway... |
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| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 10:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 24 (Andrea Maniero):
> I distinctly remember when `someone' first mentioned the ArticiaS bug, and
> the reaction from `someone else': "no, there's no such bug!".
That was not a quotation, so you shouldn't really use quotation marks. I won't go through the archives to find the actual comment from 'someone else', but I'm sure it was something like 'there will be no bugs in the final product, don't worry'. And since they have been working to correct the bug since september, before 'someone' first brought it up, I find it hard to believe that you really thought it was unknown to 'someone else'. |
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| Posted by z5 on 04-Dec-2002 10:28 GMT | This seems to me like the lowest possible level one can achieve as a company.
The question is, can you go any lower?
What a sad place this has come, this so called "Amiga" world. Very sad indeed... |
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| Posted by derf on 04-Dec-2002 10:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 37 (David Scheibler):
why dont you point out the error of his ways then? im sure an intelligent man like you can tell him what he should have said, or tell us all what he 'really' meant. |
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| Posted by elektro on 04-Dec-2002 10:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 42 (z5):
its coming from mos world not amiga world... |
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| Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarifications : Comment 45 of 236 | ANN.lu |
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| Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarifications : Comment 46 of 236 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Dec-2002 10:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 20 (Lennart Fridén):
Terrasoft and YDL are not our enemy.
In fact, Hyperion is doing the port of Linux PPC so that Terrasoft can sell the Mai hardware in the Linux market.
We will all benefit from increased economies of scale if more hardware is produced regardless where it is sold. |
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| Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarifications : Comment 47 of 236 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Senex on 04-Dec-2002 10:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 13 (Mike Bouma):
Mike Bouma, didn't you both agree to just ignore each other...?!?
WHY are you starting adding fuel to the flame again...?!? |
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| Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarifications : Comment 48 of 236 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Dec-2002 10:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 46 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I would also like to add that the bug in the Articia S is far less severe than most people seem to think.
If you stop and think for a while, this makes perfect sense.
It it were a truly crippling bug, Mai would have detected it themselves.
They did afterall build those evaluation boards and had TurboLinux running on it.
Incidentally, we're not experiencing any difficulties with USB anymore under Linux. |
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| Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarifications : Comment 49 of 236 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by alan buxey on 04-Dec-2002 10:44 GMT | ...hmmm, after visiting the YDL site i'm not too worried about
this distribution of the Teron board.... apart from the nasty
issue of whether they'll be shipping buggy boards to the world! :-(
the price ISNT that low (especially for european customers...) and
anyway, Eyetech have distribution rights for UK/Europe of MAI...and
i dont think theres any overlap allowed.
The other issue that has come up.....that of AmigaOS , and dongle...now
seems more justified than ever...... all those people who DO want cheap
and free...well. screw them. Companies such as Hyperion and Eyetech
and the folks at those companies..and the folks at Thendic have been
in the Amiga market through thick and thin (too much thin these years...)
if someone thinks they can just pop off to get cheapest board (most likely
buggy and faulty) from YDL and then run AmigaOS or Pegasos on it.... well,
they dont deserve any help and are truly unjustified in their way of thinking.
go buy it...and run Linux on it only. you've left the pack through choice.
the other part...about teaming up. well, i'd love to see this just
because of the act of unionism and co-operation. i dont like to see
fights, i dont like to partake in them. and if OpenBeOS runs on
these boards...well, AmigaOS will be SOOO tiny and insignificant if
all we do is fight, rather than join forces
Alan |
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| Raquel Velasco & Bill Buck / Genesi's Clarifications : Comment 50 of 236 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 10:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 33 (catohagen):
> maybe, but cooperate how ? we have 2 hardware solutions, and 2 OS solutions
> they cant all exist when cooperating ? so since pegasos have the April to
> fix the HW bug, and morphos are stabile and rocking, we should do what to
> cooperate ?
As for the hardware: Eyetech can choose whatever hardware they want to sell as the A1 hardware. The pegasos has everything that the A1 has, but it works, it has somewhat more features, it is smaller and it is cheaper.
As for the OS, how about this: Hyperion has the rights to use the old OS (sources, components, whatever) to make an OS4 out of it. But they still have a long way to go. Hyperion also has some interesting "add ons", that is, third party products bundled with the OS (perhaps the same goes for Genesi, I don't know). Genesi has a brand new, yet compatible, reimplementation of the Amiga OS. All in PPC. Up and running *now*. How about taking parts from MorphOS to fill in the gaps of OS4, so it can be released before we all retires. And then taking parts from OS4 (the "little" things, the bundles and so on mentioned above) to use in MorphOS, as it evolves into the future with quark, multiprocessors and stuff like that. OS4 now, MorphOS in the future.
The three of them could form a new company (owned by Hyperion, Eyetech and Genesi) to secure financial resources and gaining equal control over the IP resources over time. |
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