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[News] Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post.ANN.lu
Posted on 04-Dec-2002 13:31 GMT by Christian Kemp275 comments
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Eyetech replied to Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco's recent posting in the AmigaOne group at Yahoo. This is a repost under my name, since the original poster asked for the article to be removed. I don't agree with the view that this message should be kept off ANN since it is an interesting read and presents, in a way, the other side of the story; but after some consideration decided to respect the original poster's wish to have his posting and name removed, and opted to create a duplicate.
I'm afraid Buck has exceeded even his usual level of bullshit and innuendo on this one.

My take on this:

Our announcement of the G4 availability and pricing, and of the (solved) Articia problem at the WoA SE was not what he expected. Since then we have been innundated for dealership agreements from ex-Amiga dealers who have (and their customers have) good memories of the Amiga OS and a growing hatred of Windows. The polls, such as they, are show that the A1-XE G4 is by far the most popular PPC platform for the Amiga community and this must also have been a bit of a shock. (Is it also a coincidence that we've been the recipients of an intense, targeted virus campaign since then, I wonder?)

Meanwhile Hyperions work on PPCBoot and linux has allowed the Teron reference boards to get to a level where they can be usefully sold in the Linux Market. As most on this list will know we have the rights to distribute these boards in Europe and now Terrasoft do in the US. (We also have distribution rights on the Teron based designs for the Amiga marker worldwide). This has knackered Thendics plans for world domination of the PPC Linux market.

Reading between the lines it seems that they are prepared to drop MorphOS altogether if they can get their hands on OS4 to at least salvage something. Buck plans to do this by suing Amiga Inc (for what?) and bribing us to abandon the AmigaOne and Hyperion to port OS4 to the pegasos hardware . Sorry, thats not on. You can only have sensible business arrangements with people who are trustworthy and behave with integrity. There are plenty of instances (which are inappropriate to reveal here) where these principles have been completely abandoned on his side.

On their so-called relationship with MAI, we/hyperion have done more to help MAI get the Teron design to the linux market than ever bplan have, alltough I don't doubt that Gerald Carda made an important contribution to identifying the Articia bug - I've every respect for him as a hardware engineer.

As far as Thendic making their own boards is concerned thats a complete joke. Its a matter of public record that Thendic-France incorporated as a one-man company with the minimum 7500 euros of capital. Thendic, like us and MAI do not actually make anything themselves, manufacture is all subcontracted. In our case its to a Tiawanese specialist, in Thendic's its to DCE. Based on our past experience of quality assurance and after sales service from DCE I personally would never buy any DCE manufactured products for resale again.

Well you did ask

Alan

Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 101 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 04-Dec-2002 19:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (takemehomegrandma):
>I think he feels the preassure building up around him
Can'r you see that it's Buck that feels the pressure everywhere and replies to it with the only way he knows: spreading FUD.
I can't wait to see the lawsuit against AI, I hope he files in the States, I'll get a first row seat.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 102 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 04-Dec-2002 19:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (amigammc):
That would be interesting. Say, you can have your Visa status checked while your at the courthouse. ;-)
Dammy
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 103 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 04-Dec-2002 19:56 GMT
"we/hyperion have done more to help MAI get the Teron design to the linux market than ever bplan have,"
Eh? wtf are you on about Alan!?! Why on earth would/should bplan be interested or even obligated to get a competing hw solution to linux markets!?!?! Are you MAD? And by the way this is not a popularity contest of which hw reseller has helped mai the most! This is about which product is better in terms of hardware PERIOD!!!
Man I get full of hatred when I see innuendo and crap like this posted by ANY of the parties at amiga market, desperately trying to get the sheeps and zealots choose their line of products by spreading hearsay and yet failing to prove any evidence on their claims!
F#"&k you ALAN u just lost me as your customer. And at the same time here goes as a warning to genisi too: Be careful how you conduct your business ethics or only zealots will be left to buy products.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 104 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 04-Dec-2002 20:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (gz):
If we follow your word, that's a long time that you never buy a genesis product. Maybe reread the bbrv anoncement and you will understand the word af alan. If we count the FUD and BS said by different parties, match is wining by genesis side 10-1.
So make it easy, Amigaland is full of zealot. Just learn to live with it.
ikez
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 105 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 20:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (gz):
>Eh? wtf are you on about Alan!?! Why on earth would/should bplan be interested >or even obligated to get a competing hw solution to linux markets!?!?! Are you >MAD? And by the way this is not a popularity contest of which hw reseller has >helped mai the most! This is about which product is better in terms of >hardware PERIOD!!!
BTW we are Amiga users in a Amiga commuty posting here about Amiga Market and
Amiga Future, we don´t care about linux market, and Ainc, Hyperion need to care about this market AMIGA, in that way looks like you have a lot of time to do stuffs to linux market, hey how about finish the AOS4, wath the priority for this task ?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 106 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 04-Dec-2002 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (gz):
>Be careful how you conduct your business ethics or only zealots will be left to buy >products.
I think the race is over, there are less than 200 pegasos sold in the amiga marked and buck is getting nasty..
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 107 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 04-Dec-2002 20:14 GMT
and Ben Hermans... I might not be a lawyer but I got an advice that works far better than mouthing of here at ann: Stay clear of trouble and just produce the goods for papers and users to evaluate and you might have more users to buy your product than just the hardcore hyperion/ai zealots!
Everytime I see you posting counterclaims and spreading things that may be or may not be true of the competing party, it alienates me more from hyperion. If your company has nothing to be ashamed for, there's no real reason to get all defensive and hush, hush, for either. The truth will eventually come out in the hands of customers and magazine testings so you don't have to paint the opposite side as the devil's of amiga platform or whatever. Same goes for genesi aswell.
The problem is, 80% left of the community seems to be ppl desperately looking for a side to choose and that's why the dirty marketing policy that can be seen even coming from hypeion is a reality. :( The amiga market is now more DEAD than ever because of that, regardless of new hard and software on it's way.
The more bashing between companies and more childish war and fud, the more SANE people will LEAVE this godforsaken platform forever never to look back. I for one am at the verge of doing so.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 108 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 04-Dec-2002 20:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (catohagen):
Where do you read that he is getting "nasty"?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 109 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 04-Dec-2002 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (catohagen):
like I said I'ts not about a race to something... I couldn't care less how much pegasos or A1's have been sold or who 'WINS' the popularity contest of the zealotgeek's! What I care about is quality of hardware, availibility of software, pricing and business ethics and image of the host company providing the goods. PERIOD! I don't give a flying bat's turd if the 'NextGen' amiga had IBM or even AMD stamped all over it as long as the price and hw is right.
Get it? It's about who provides best quality for your money, not about who claims to be the 'Real AMIGAN's' over the other. In the end to me none of the innuendo and bullshit that's been flying since forever between these companies matters to me. All I care is how good a deal I can get between my wallet and the product in question.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 110 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 04-Dec-2002 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (ikez):
maybe u were blinded at the line where I said that same goes for genesi.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 111 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 04-Dec-2002 20:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (gz):
Why are you taking things so personnal, you know closely some ppl (ben, bill, alan, ...)?. If you like your amiga then just continue to use it. Buy the product when you think you will recieve a good support and have a future. I have bought the Aone coz i like AmigaOS. That's simple. And i don't care FUD, seems to me, that more hope exist in Aone.
ikez
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 112 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 04-Dec-2002 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (ikez):
I repeat what i said: You are contradicted yourself. Just don't read ann statement and compare what's on the market. Again simple. If you like morph, just buy it... or Aone just buy it or maybe none of them so chose other thing...
ikez
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 113 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 04-Dec-2002 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (ikez):
>>Why are you taking things so personnal
You confuse things here. I'm not taking this personal, I'm just pissed of the way these companies (and people) conduct their business (bashing the other company by making dubious claims in the hope of attracting more customers)
I don't know about you but for me that can be very tiresome read and certainly does not attract me more to their product. And btw. The problem is that I do like my a4000 cybppc200mhz, cybvision, 128 mb ram etc. But, I paid shitloads for it and yet it's far less usable for doing things than a 450 celeron machine with windows and 128 mb of ram! So I kinda was hoping I could finally do something useful in the spirit of amiga by opting to the new hw that's on it's way.
People here fail to see that to not all amiga is not just a geek hobby. To some of us it's a way of hoping to get back to a long lost platform because we like it more than other platforms available. Fact is that as long as amiga is super inferior in terms of hw and software it will never be more than just a geek gadget.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 114 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 04-Dec-2002 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (ikez):
>>I repeat what i said: You are contradicted yourself. Just don't read ann statement and compare what's on the market. Again simple. If you like morph, just buy it... or Aone just buy it or maybe none of them so chose other thing...
With this post I agree fully fully with. However sometimes it just gets too much reading the bullshit on ann and just makes me want to post my own opinion that's all.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 115 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by It's ME!!!! on 04-Dec-2002 20:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Dear Amiga Socialist Ben Hermans.
I though you said not long ago that AmigaOS 4 was about only 90% ready, and it will be ready for Christmas 2002.
Am I wrong?
Are you also saying that using chips from another company to build and design a motherboard is the same as buying a ready made evaluation motherboard???
Are you affraid of the fact that if you and your colleages want to sell a motherboard now it will need a fix designed by your competence??? And this is the reason why all of this row has started???
Please clarify.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 116 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE!!! on 04-Dec-2002 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
Ah, but wasn't AmigaOS4 ready for this Chrismas????? So we will have AmigaOS4 but no TeronCX to run it???
If I buy a TeronCX from Eyetech this chrismas I need to exchange it in March to get a fixed version????
I'm really curious about all of this.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 117 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 04-Dec-2002 20:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (gz):
I'm agreed on these. I have a3000 with a cyppc too. And sometimes i need a pc to make what is needed. So hope that one day... i will use only an amiga (crossfinger).
ikez
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 118 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE!!!! on 04-Dec-2002 20:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>> There seem to have been a problem but this was sorted out in the meanwhile.
Sure????
>> All of this is a matter of public record.
Really???
>>I have to add right away that we never encountered this problem even with our
>>"unfixed" boards during all the time that we have been using Linux PPC on the
>>hardware.
Well... how many hours has you been using Linux on the TeronCX??? has you been running the board for hours using OpenOffice to write all you scary law-related stuff???
Has you been drawing with Gimp for hours??? You were using your testing board for weeks as a fileserver????
>>And we do use it all the time as we are the ones producing the Linux PPC for
>>Terrasoft to sell with the Teron CX boards.
I beleve you when you were Socialicing the Amiga (TM) again saying that all of your interest was in the development of AmigaOS4...
Well... well... doing part times... :)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 119 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 04-Dec-2002 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (DaveW):
>Where do you read that he is getting "nasty"?
:)
1. "Everything that has been promised for the AmigaOne and the Pegasos will not work without April "
trying to scare amigaone buyers ? :)
2. "There is no other patch for the Articia and there was no other assistance from anyone else in creating it"
saying that the eyetech hw fix is non-existent, again scaring Amigaone buyers :)
3. "Please forget all the delusions about the new Amiga or the Pegasos that will re-conquer the world when the hardware shows up"
more mumble...:)
4. "If YDL sets off on their current course, they will "crash and burn" in a month after they finally introduce the product."
yes, january/february next year ydl will crash and burn....
5. "We make the Pegasos. Eyetech does not."
actual some sense here too..:)
6."Oh yes, you want to buy a G4 A1? Wake up people!"
again, distributing doubt....wake up...
7. "There is a Pegasos G4 now"
yes, wake up....and buy pegasos, please....:)
8. "We are about to be crushed."
who are "we"
9. "We will commence legal action against Amiga Inc. this month."
yep....
10. "This is business and the Amiga Inc. management do not understand what business is"
and let me guess....thendic have ?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 120 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 04-Dec-2002 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (catohagen):
200 BETATESTER boards... As many people said in here, "who will get a developer/
betatesting board?"...
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 121 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 04-Dec-2002 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 119 (catohagen):
If you knew what they will sue AInc about you would be almost sure that
they (ainc.) will die...
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 122 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 04-Dec-2002 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
So you actually know what they will sue Amiga for?
Bill Buck told you?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 123 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 04-Dec-2002 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
ok...i have no idea what that can be, but can you promise me that
Ainc will die this month ?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 124 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
if the price drop a little i will :)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 125 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by porneL on 04-Dec-2002 21:29 GMT
I prefer Gensi.
Not only because I think pegasos/mos is the best solution, but because I see they care.
They are doing something very important to amiga. Phase5 brought amiga PPC and gfx accelerators, and now genesi continues this line.
For a second forget what you were TOLD and LOOK what you have.
There IS pegasos NOW.
I could touch it myself :) [and I'm buying it]
T-f came to Poland (where I live). I really respect them for this - cost of this trip and show must have been much higher than their profits from polish market.
But they came anyway, because they INVEST in this market!
And as far as I have seen Amiga Inc only TAKES money from users (believers!).
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 126 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 04-Dec-2002 21:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (porneL):
Damn straight, PorneL! You are speaking for a lot of people, that's for sure!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 127 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 04-Dec-2002 21:40 GMT
I'm confused. I read up to post 61, and will continue to read the rest.
I think the real "bad guy" is that loser corporation motorola. They've led us down the toilet.
Why? They abandoned the 68000 series. They could never produce CPUs that were the same MHz as intel. They were too busy making all kinds of other support chips, instead of concentrating on the all importantt CPU. They made a RISC chip, which is questionable wether it is faster than CISC. Especially if it can't keep up with the MHz of the competition.
So what did we get? A CISC chip, forcing us to recode the OS or, making it slower, because of emulation. Compiled code which is bigger than CISC code. And to kick our heads in one last time, no way to design a motherboard without glitches.
They've also made too many iterations of their chips, in a tiny market share that they had.
Who knows how many other things they blundered, that I don't know about?
I can't wait for them to go bankrupt, and IBM buy Amiga Inc. and produce 2.6 GHz PPCs and trounce the home computer world!
Thank heaps, you ba$!ard$!!!!!
Amiga! Betrayal from it's most important ally, motorola!!!!!!!!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 128 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 04-Dec-2002 21:41 GMT
To those who keep claiming that Bill and Raquel are spreading "FUD" or
"lies", maybe you could be a little more precise? It's a bit difficult
to have a discussion when nobody wants to tell what their problem is.
Something like this:
B&R say there is a bug in Articia. Fact: Ben Hermans never
experienced any bug, so it does not exist. Lies!
B&R say OS4 and MorphOS risk being crushed by Linux. Fact: AOS4
already sold over 2 million units. FUD!
B&R say there is no other fix for the Articia bug than the one Genesi
helped MAI developing. Fact: The fixed AmigaOnes don't make use of
this solution, instead Eyetech have replaced the Articia with an MMC
on the fixed AmigaOnes. Lies!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 129 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by petr krenzelok on 04-Dec-2002 21:52 GMT
I seem to have really enough. The message posted of Alan really finished every potentil interest in A1 here. Ben Hermans adds to it with ppl calling an idiots without no particular argument proving him right.
Last few year are really sad. AInc., EyeTech and Hyperion discredited themselves thru various public affairs, statements and unfullfilled promises, that I wish some strong company would buy off Amiga and close the saga for the good.
The frustration is so strong here, that I actually think of talking to my colleagues and our new company distributing Pegasos here in Czech Republic. Not that we would eventually sell any, but because of level of communication of Thendic vs official Amiga group companies.
-pekr-
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 130 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Santa Claus on 04-Dec-2002 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Rik Sweeney):
All I want to do for Christmas is to deliver MANY (maybe 1000's ) of Amiga One Boards.....(working at that).
Ho HO HO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 131 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 04-Dec-2002 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Troels E):
Alkis *IS* Bill Buck!!! Can't you see the way both of them almost tell you something but don't.
;p
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 132 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Dec-2002 22:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (petr krenzelok):
>I seem to have really enough. The message posted of Alan really finished every potentil
>interest in A1 here. Ben Hermans adds to it with ppl calling an idiots without no particular
>argument proving him right.
You mean saying that we were contracted by Mai to adapt Linux PPC to the Teron CX/PX/A1 hardware which will be used as the foundation for the YDL distribution shipped by Terrasoft?
I cordially invite you to sell Pegasos motherboards.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 133 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (petr krenzelok):
>our new company distributing Pegasos here in Czech Republic.
>Not that we would eventually sell any
Pardon, how do you want to distribute Pegasos without selling it?
Are you giving it away for free? If yes...sign me up for one! :-)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 134 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 22:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (tinman):
>Alkis *IS* Bill Buck!!!
Yes!! Further hint could be the drunken (alki) Thendic employee as alter ego
of BB who posted Fleecy's secret threat e-mail...
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 135 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 04-Dec-2002 22:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (reflect):
>one example - the G3 is fanless (those that I have seen). that would make it >suitable for environments where there are alot of dust in the air.. like a >factory that produces paper. There are a few others in this area too, but not >extremely many.
So is VIA's C3 X86 processor...
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 136 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Mark on 04-Dec-2002 22:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I wonder how many A1 preorders have been made?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 137 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Mark on 04-Dec-2002 22:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Santa Claus):
What year is that is now?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 138 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 04-Dec-2002 23:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Hammer):
>>one example - the G3 is fanless (those that I have seen). that would make it >>suitable for environments where there are alot of dust in the air.. like a >>factory that produces paper. There are a few others in this area too, but not >>extremely many.
>So is VIA's C3 X86 processor...
fanless cpus and other electrical components and devices will build up heat
until they are destroyed/non functional with dust/particles building up on them...just my experience of on lots of old tv-sets :)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 139 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 23:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Mark):
100% of them.
The Amiga triumvirate have agreed to pretend that there's an "Amiga market" and measure sales as a percentage of that market, thus guaranteeing that they'll be able to "dominate" the "market" since they've clearly defined it to only include the things they exclusively sell.
Of course there are cracks... Eyetech have admitted that they won't stand behind AInc's special "offers", and Hyperion are clearly interested in selling OS4 even if that means working with vendors other than Eyetech, AInc are only interested in the outcome in so far as it results in income.
So sooner or later the whole thing will fall apart and they'll go back to squabbling, but I think all parties want to see a PPC Amiga before they do that, so it will last until perhaps OS 4.0 is "finished" or next summer, whichever comes first. Don't expect future OS 4.x to actually happen though, that would be stretching good will too far.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 140 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 04-Dec-2002 23:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Woohoo, thank you Hyperion for porting Suse Linux PPC to PPC, you guys are so talented. Oh wait, isn't that a linux kernel that comes with the silly teron dev kit? Oh well thanks so much.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 141 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 04-Dec-2002 23:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Troels E):
Of course he's not Mike Bouma you know. He actually knows what's up.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 142 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE!!! on 04-Dec-2002 23:57 GMT
Is only ME the only one who sees what Hyperion is doing with the LinuxPPC???
They don't fully believe in the success of AmigaOS4 so they're also working on a backup plan, promote LinuxPPC... why? Because they can do ports of x86 games to a platform where nobody can run the original Windows version (and also can port to the Apple Mac)
Ben Hermans and their troupe socialize the Amiga community in... Surprise! Their own interest??? Exactly the same for what they are criticizing MorphOS.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 143 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 04-Dec-2002 23:58 GMT
I think that everyone is missing a very important point here.
Bill Buck is saying, If you don't go my way, I will throw a wrench in the whole Amiga community.
If you want to buy from a company that tells you, you must do this or you must do that, go right on ahead.
Amiga Inc have been nothing but professional in this whole time.
You don't hear them trashing Pegasos and MorphOS.
The only time they said anything was when they were attacked publicy, and that is honorable.
The point that we are missing here is this...
It doesn't matter which is better, or which is worst.
What matters is CHOICE!
I don't run WindowsXP because they give me no choice.
They tell me what I must do and what I must not do.
Sound familiar?
I don't own an Amiga anymore because I got sick of all the hardware addons and patched up software.
To me, the Pegasos is just like having a ppc Blizzard all over again.
Non standardized hardware.
To me, MorphOS is like having a bunch of software patches all over again.
That's exactly what I got rid of my Amiga for.
When I seen the progress on AmigaOne and OS4, I knew that it was the machine for me.
But this is not a post against MorphOS and Pegasos.
It is a choice that I have made.
And now Bill Buck is saying, you don't make the choices... I do.
Well guess what Bill Bucks...
I might as well go ahead and buy windowsXP if I don't have a choice in what I want to do.
Amiga Inc has not tried to force anyone to buy their AmigaOne or OS4.
They want you to buy it, so they make it as attractive as possible.
But they give you the choice of what you want to do with your money.
Excuse me MR. Bill Bucks, but you don't tell me what I'm going to buy with my money.
I tell you the way I'm going to spend my own money.
That's the way that it should be all around the world.
Hats off to Amiga Inc. for being so coolheaded about all the recent attacks against AmigaOne and OS4.
It means choice baby, and I'm in there.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 144 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 00:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Brad Ray):
>Excuse me MR. Bill Bucks, but you don't tell me what I'm going to buy with my money.
And when or where he tell you wath you going to do with your money, how mutch Pegasos MOBOS you will buy BTW ?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 145 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 05-Dec-2002 00:09 GMT
Oh yeah,
I almost forgot...
Please don't let all this hyped up junk make you forget about what Haage and Partner did to Burnie.
Always be trying to think of a way to help this fellow out.
And don't let people try to make you forget about what is really going on in the community.
Hey Bill Buck
How ya doing?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 146 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Lawd on 05-Dec-2002 00:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Brad Ray):
Yay! Hats off for our favorite amiga.org retard, "mounatinmyst" (sic!). This just has to be him! It's not Shawn-the-bus-arch-troll's IP address.
Standardized hardware? Telling you what to buy? Throwing wrenches in the community?
MY GOD you're confused! But funny. Keep it up.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 147 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Lawd on 05-Dec-2002 00:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (Anonymous):
Thanks. Seldom have truer words been written in an Amiga related forum. Spot on.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 148 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 05-Dec-2002 00:27 GMT
Of course it's me.
But I'm not the one who's going to wind up being the retard.
heh.
:)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 149 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 05-Dec-2002 00:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (dammy):
You're just an asshole Randy, and you'll never grow out of it. For your information courthouse and INS are two different things, in second place I don't have a visa, I have a green card. Eat shit!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 150 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 05-Dec-2002 00:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (gz):
>Man I get full of hatred when I see innuendo and crap
>like this posted by ANY of the parties at amiga market
Ok, what number is your comment on the thread started by Thendic's letter?
>F#"&k you ALAN u just lost me as your customer.
Big loss! One hysterical customer less
>And at the same time here goes as a warning to genisi too:
What, where you sleeping? Alan's post was the answer to Thendic's bull
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