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[News] Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post.ANN.lu
Posted on 04-Dec-2002 13:31 GMT by Christian Kemp275 comments
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Eyetech replied to Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco's recent posting in the AmigaOne group at Yahoo. This is a repost under my name, since the original poster asked for the article to be removed. I don't agree with the view that this message should be kept off ANN since it is an interesting read and presents, in a way, the other side of the story; but after some consideration decided to respect the original poster's wish to have his posting and name removed, and opted to create a duplicate.
I'm afraid Buck has exceeded even his usual level of bullshit and innuendo on this one.

My take on this:

Our announcement of the G4 availability and pricing, and of the (solved) Articia problem at the WoA SE was not what he expected. Since then we have been innundated for dealership agreements from ex-Amiga dealers who have (and their customers have) good memories of the Amiga OS and a growing hatred of Windows. The polls, such as they, are show that the A1-XE G4 is by far the most popular PPC platform for the Amiga community and this must also have been a bit of a shock. (Is it also a coincidence that we've been the recipients of an intense, targeted virus campaign since then, I wonder?)

Meanwhile Hyperions work on PPCBoot and linux has allowed the Teron reference boards to get to a level where they can be usefully sold in the Linux Market. As most on this list will know we have the rights to distribute these boards in Europe and now Terrasoft do in the US. (We also have distribution rights on the Teron based designs for the Amiga marker worldwide). This has knackered Thendics plans for world domination of the PPC Linux market.

Reading between the lines it seems that they are prepared to drop MorphOS altogether if they can get their hands on OS4 to at least salvage something. Buck plans to do this by suing Amiga Inc (for what?) and bribing us to abandon the AmigaOne and Hyperion to port OS4 to the pegasos hardware . Sorry, thats not on. You can only have sensible business arrangements with people who are trustworthy and behave with integrity. There are plenty of instances (which are inappropriate to reveal here) where these principles have been completely abandoned on his side.

On their so-called relationship with MAI, we/hyperion have done more to help MAI get the Teron design to the linux market than ever bplan have, alltough I don't doubt that Gerald Carda made an important contribution to identifying the Articia bug - I've every respect for him as a hardware engineer.

As far as Thendic making their own boards is concerned thats a complete joke. Its a matter of public record that Thendic-France incorporated as a one-man company with the minimum 7500 euros of capital. Thendic, like us and MAI do not actually make anything themselves, manufacture is all subcontracted. In our case its to a Tiawanese specialist, in Thendic's its to DCE. Based on our past experience of quality assurance and after sales service from DCE I personally would never buy any DCE manufactured products for resale again.

Well you did ask

Alan

Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 151 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 05-Dec-2002 00:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (catohagen):
>I think the race is over, there are less than 200 pegasos sold in
>the amiga marked and buck is getting nasty..
If Ralph had listened to me 4 years ago they would have saved a lot of trouble.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 152 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 05-Dec-2002 00:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (gz):
>I couldn't care less how much pegasos or A1's have been sold or who 'WINS'
>the popularity contest of the zealotgeek's! What I care about is quality
>of hardware, availibility of software ...
You think? Do you really believe that if one company sells, say, 200 units of their product, support and development is gonna continue?
Unless you have money to throw away you do care about the number of units sold as much as anyone else.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 153 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 05-Dec-2002 00:38 GMT
http://teamamiga.owlnet.net/
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 154 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 05-Dec-2002 00:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>If you knew what they will sue AInc about you would be almost sure that
>they (ainc.) will die...
If you knew what Amiga Inc. can sue them for you'd crawl into a hole and stay there.
Alkis, Alkis... always the funny guy
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 155 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 01:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (gz):
Once again gz is the voice of reason.
Also, people, stop talking about Linux already.
I'm one of the few people here who has actually USED Linux/PPC. It's the buggier, slower sibbling of Linux/x86 which runs less software. Don't buy the TerraSoft hype. Their pages are so full misinformation it's making my eyes bleed!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 156 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 05-Dec-2002 01:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Santa Claus):
>All I want to do for Christmas is to deliver MANY (maybe 1000's ) of Amiga One
>Boards.....(working at that).
>
>Ho HO HO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey everybody, it's Santa Claus! Tell us, who's on your "nice" list and who's on your "naught" list! Btw, what am I getting this Chrismas?!?
- Mike
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 157 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 01:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (ikez):
> I have bought the Aone coz i like AmigaOS. That's simple. And i don't care FUD, seems to me, that more hope exist in Aone.
Can you even READ what you're typing?
You bought the AmigaOne because you like AmigaOS?
Try before you buy folks.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 158 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 05-Dec-2002 01:20 GMT
Yes, we buy AmigaOs because we like AmigaOs.
And that doesn't make sense to you?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 159 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 01:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Atheist2):
Motorola didn't abandon 68k.
68k was ALWAYS an embeeded CPU. That's how the market was. You had 68k for embedded, RISC for workstation, and hyped x86 like the dx2, dx4 etc. for PCs.
Motorola adopted PowerPC because it made a better embedded CPU.
Motorola to this day still supports 68k with 68k boards and toolkits, and now Coldfire.
Motorola was never in the dekstop market. Also Amiga was never a market to give a rat's ass about as far as CPU development goes.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 160 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 01:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Johan Rönnblom):
>B&R say OS4 and MorphOS risk being crushed by Linux. Fact: AOS4
already sold over 2 million units. FUD!
Huh?!?!?!?!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 161 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 01:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Brad Ray):
>Amiga Inc have been nothing but professional in this whole time.
You don't hear them trashing Pegasos and MorphOS.
Oh bull. Fleecy all but said MorphOS was illegal and legal action was in preparation.
>The only time they said anything was when they were attacked publicy, and that is honorable.
More BS. McEwen, Fleecy, in interviews by unbiased publications.
>To me, the Pegasos is just like having a ppc Blizzard all over again.
Non standardized hardware.
More bullshit. the Teron board is no more "standardized" on anything than the Pegasos.
>When I seen the progress on AmigaOne and OS4, I knew that it was the machine for me.
You've "seen" progress on "OS4"?!
What a crock of shiat!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 162 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 01:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Lawd):
oh, thaaaat explains a lot!
Same old standard "standardized" bullshit from mountainpiss
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 163 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 01:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Brad Ray):
>But I'm not the one who's going to wind up being the retard.
Who said anything about winding up? You're a retard as you are!
standardized hardware? Didn't everybody set you straight on amiga.org?!
You're a recursive exception handling thrown error you are!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 164 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 05-Dec-2002 01:50 GMT
heh.
Hurts don't it.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 165 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 05-Dec-2002 01:52 GMT
Hey Strobe...
Guess what man!!!
AmigaOne boards are in.
Better go get you one, just in case you decide to take that bag off your head and buy one.
hehe.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 166 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 05-Dec-2002 01:57 GMT
Figure that one out, and I'll give you a cookie.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 167 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 05-Dec-2002 02:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Then you've not even bothered to read the messages posted here over the past few days.
The April chip fixes the problems of the Artica-S, it does not replace the Artica-S itself. Likely, April is little more than a CPID that happens to fix some bus mastering or glue logic issues that tend to end up in northbridges. I know that I would have loved such a fix for my VIA northbridge that couldn't run Quake3 on a top-end Athlon due to this bug.
It is a seperate chip, so get over yourself.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 168 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 02:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (Brad Ray):
I've used Linux/PPC. I don't want Linux/PPC thus I don't want the AmigaOne.
I have TRIED Linux/PPC and I'm not going to BUY something which only runs Linux/PPC.
I follow my own mantra of TRY before you BUY. I suggest you do the same.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 169 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 02:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (Hammer):
>So is VIA's C3 X86 processor...
True, but then it's not in the same league as any other x86 chip.
C't 23/2002 page 114 has a x86 comparison table and it shows the VIA 1GHz cannot
keep up with P3-1GHz, e.g. 48 vs. 96 in BAPCo SYSmark2002 or 65 vs. 175 in some
PovRay3.5 bench. It might be better to chose some Intel ulv notebook chip if you
want competitive performance without any CPU fans.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 170 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 02:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (catohagen):
>fanless cpus and other electrical components and devices will build up heat
>until they are destroyed/non functional with dust/particles building up on them...
That's why our 68000, 020, 030 and 060 broke down so quickly, right? *g*
Why are you so anti-everything, catohagen?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 171 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 02:30 GMT
BTW if you want a laugh...
http://amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4650&post_id=61731&order=0&viewmode=flat&pid=61731&forum=1#61731
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 172 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 02:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Brad Ray):
>Amiga Inc have been nothing but professional in this whole time.
>You don't hear them trashing Pegasos and MorphOS.
Yes, because they are dead by now! </FUD> :-)
(Who knows?)
>To me, the Pegasos is just like having a ppc Blizzard all over again.
>Non standardized hardware.
>To me, MorphOS is like having a bunch of software patches all over again.
You obviously have no clue and think a nice Boingball label makes a standard.
It does not.
Beside standard x86 cards, Pegasos can also use OpenFirmware cards, is that
enough standard for you? It has a bunch of standard chips and standard busses
on a standard formfactor motherboard with a standard Slot1 and is standard
POP compatible afaik.
(I already hear someone asking "then what's so special about it", hehe...)
>When I seen the progress on AmigaOne and OS4, I knew that it was the machine for me.
Great progress to boot a raw kernel - been there, done that with MOS in summer 2001.
>Amiga Inc has not tried to force anyone to buy their AmigaOne or OS4.
They force anyone to implement their naughty "copyprotection" dongle and pose unusual
prerequirements for OS4 licenses, because they are the mighty "the name" company. :-P
>Hats off to Amiga Inc. for being so coolheaded about all the recent attacks against
>AmigaOne and OS4.
See above. ;-)
>It means choice baby, and I'm in there.
I wouldn't call just one hardware a big choice. Nevertheless you are welcome to buy
whatever fits you.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 173 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 02:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (strobe):
>68k was ALWAYS an embeeded CPU. That's how the market was. You had 68k for
>embedded, RISC for workstation
LOL
RISC hype came only in the 90s, my dear. Stop rewriting history, the 68k has
been a very successful CPU inside Amiga, Atari and Mac - I wouldn't call a
5000+EUR Quadra an "embedded machine", would you?
>Motorola was never in the dekstop market
Untrue also, they even had their own commercial CHRP Viper board in 1997.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 174 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 03:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 173 (Anonymous):
Indeed I owned a Quadra 950 when it was the fastest Mac around and I wouldn't call it an embedded machine.
However this misses the point. The 68k CPU wasn't DESIGNED for such applications, neither was the G4.
Desktop sales hardly make a dent in Motorola's sales. Not now, not then.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 175 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 05-Dec-2002 03:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 169 (Anonymous):
>It might be better to chose some Intel ulv notebook chip if you
>want competitive performance without any CPU fans.
You mean this - http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/28245.html - chip?
Really, the 750CX* line seems to compete quite favorably with the Via C3 (meaning, it should wipe it over the floor at similar heat dissipations), and drawing lines between "embedded" and "desktop" don't make much sense in this day and age. (Is an "embedded" 486 the same as a H8 or such thing? People are quite happily putting K6-2s, Pentium #s, and probably even Athlons by now into "embedded" systems; it's just that the average "embedded" system now requires a dedicated AC system with it. ;) - No offense to those designing real 'embedded' hardware, of course.)
Moto wanted to sell chips; Apple killed most of the market, IBM could- and as we're seeing, can- carry the rest, and the G3/G4 were good compromises between "blazing speed" and "might survive without a heatsink the size of your face" - the sort of compromise that has people considering C3s and Transmetas in the first place.
Unfortunately, the "runs vaguely cool" market that PowerPC hits is about to be taken on by Intel's Banias and Transmeta's new chip- the 970 will have stiff competition, but hopefully not the scaling problems that seem to have plagued the earlier chips. (Of course, that's what was said around the G4 launch, no?)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 176 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 03:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 175 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
"Intel's Banias and Transmeta's new chip"
Sigh...
Nobody has said the 970 is designed to be used for portables. Also the only thing worse than comparing two puffs of vapour to one puff of vapour is comparing two puffs of vapour to something already available.
Intel is hyperriffic. Remember them touting mobility pentium? What a joke, all it managed to do was literally burn a man's penis! (the penis has no heat sensitive nerve endings, just to warn you Dell laptop owners). Transmetta was even worse! Man what hype! Everybody was expecting the second comming and all they got was the slowest CPU ever to be put in a subnotebook.
IBM on the other hand tend to be conservative with their announcements. They cater to a different audience. You know, enterprise people who aren't necessarily looking to play Quake at 3000fps.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 177 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 03:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Lawd):
It´s very interesting to see how much shit that theoreticaly can come out from a francemans head.
I didn´t know that you had siestas like people in spain.that is clearly the only reason that you would have so much time to type so much shit.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 178 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 04:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Lawd):
Is it okay for you if I simply tell you that I hate you?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 179 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 04:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
You are pathetic! I´m to tired to say more.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 180 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 05-Dec-2002 04:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Brad Ray):
Cool :)
/Björn
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 181 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 05-Dec-2002 05:14 GMT
This whole story makes me sick. What a waste of time and effort.
Sayonara one and all.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 182 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Treke on 05-Dec-2002 05:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (petr krenzelok):
Hi Pekr ! (Niekedy som mal nick Piper/MRS na kanali amiga cs)
I can only see confusion from boths sides, because lot of internal information is geting out. When a developer makes a fart, ann knows about that. Bad. Bullshit is coming from everywhere.
Judging from words is easier, but I do not understand people, which are making statements while not tested the whole final RELEASED solutions.
But, please if you want to sell, sel A1 too. I just like the name ;)
re
Treke
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 183 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 05-Dec-2002 05:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 149 (amigammc):
Posted by amigammc (151.203.117.234) on 05-Dec-2002 01:28:06
In Reply to Comment 102:
> You're just an asshole Randy,
Glad to see the moderators are keeping blatant personal attacks out of ANN.
> and you'll never grow out of it.
It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it.
> For your information courthouse and INS are two different things,
For your information, NCIC is going to be tied into the INS db with the Homeland Security Act now going into effect. Guess what, courthouses, especially if it's Federal Courthouse where I'm betting it will be filed in, are tied into NCIC network.
> in second place I don't have a visa, I have a green card. Eat shit!
Our loss, Italy's gain.
Dammy
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 184 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 05-Dec-2002 06:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (Lennart Fridén):
Nooooo, don't leave, we need an audience...
Amiga! We're different!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 185 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 05-Dec-2002 06:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (strobe):
Thanks for commenting.
So, what else is there? I mean I don't know, I thought 68000 was a CPU. I don't know what "embedded" refers to. So why can't we use a Coldfire, in the place of a 68060, if you claim we weren't abandoned?
They left us high and dry. motorola is a wannabe!
Amiga! Backstabbed by so many!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 186 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 05-Dec-2002 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 170 (Anonymous):
>That's why our 68000, 020, 030 and 060 broke down so quickly, right? *g*
>Why are you so anti-everything, catohagen?
did your 68k cpus work in an environment with 1-2 inches
of dust on them ? it builds up heat...
im anti about all the crap going on behind the scenes, why not just play fair ?
flooding eyetech with email viruses...hoping to kill some a1 orders and
other important stuff....
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 187 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 05-Dec-2002 08:23 GMT
The post from Bill Buck sounds like normal BS to prevent people from buying the AmigaOne!
And if only bPlan/Genesi is able to find the problem, why shouldn't that just be a hardware fault in the Pegasos, or a problem with the VIA-southbrige???
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 188 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 05-Dec-2002 08:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (amigammc):
I take it that you suggested they co-operate more (at all?) with Amiga Inc. and not 'do a Microsoft' and attempt to take control of the total market from software to hardware as they have - disastrously - tried to do.
---
Sam
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 189 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 187 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
> And if only bPlan/Genesi is able to find the problem,
> why shouldn't that just be a hardware fault in the Pegasos,
> or a problem with the VIA-southbrige???
Because they could reproduce the bugs with LinuxONE?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 190 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 05-Dec-2002 09:22 GMT
There are four big advantage for Pegasos in the roundUp.
1) The Pegasos Board is the better both in PCB that connectors. AmigaOne-Terox have an old style mb concept with a lot of space not used and a mediocre Pcb implementation. Pegasos is small and "integrated" like modern Mobos require to be. Then it support Irda and Firewire natively while the AmigaOne doesn't have it.
2) The price is lower (Vesalia sell it at 100 $ less then the AmigaOne, both with a G3 600), considered also the fact that on Pegasos the Cpu is not soldered while on AmigaOne that you can buy in December it still remain soldered.
3) AmigaOne is actually only a mediocre LinuxPPC machine ... Pegasos has got a really good Os like MorphOS that is capable to do more AmigaLike things.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 191 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 09:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 190 (Eva):
There are four reasons not to buy a Pegasos -
1. DCE were involved.
2. Bill Buck is involved. No disrespect intended, but the whole Viscorp fiasco is still fresh in people's minds. Both Carl Saseranch (spelling?) and Jason Compton are respected in the community - and has some bad things to say about your previous dealings...
3. Pegasos seemed more relevant when all we had for a choice was a G3 AmigaOne. Now that you can get a G4 - there's no point.
4. Morphos (whilst a great technical feat) is NOT AmigaOS 4. For the last couple of years we've had all these idiots trying to ram Linux, BE-OS, QNX & AmigaDE down our throats when all we've really wanted is an updated AMIGA OS that runs natively on faster architecture. I don't care how good these other OS's are. IF I wanted to run them I would install them on my PC. I want AmigaOS 4/5 etc
I don't want to hear about how 'Amiga like' these other OS's are - NOT intersted. And guess what, the silent majority agree.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 192 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 05-Dec-2002 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Christophe Decanini):
Before you go to sleep, ask yourself three questions:
* Do I know what moderation is!?
* Do I know what impartiality is!?
* Do I know what pseudonyms are used for!?
You should then meditate over these issues, after a long good night sleep you should be able to find the answers to these questions.
Damn! You're so biased it scares! (i.e. for a moderator, that is)
Happy Christmas!
pixie- writing from a paradise called Portugal
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 193 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Jedi on 05-Dec-2002 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 191 (Anonymous):
There is only ONE reason to buy a Pegasos on MorphOS : both are already here ! (a reality and not only dream, announcements, screenshots, promises, lists of features on paper,...)
;)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 194 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 05-Dec-2002 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 190 (Eva):
Wow Eva, whats a "Linux PPC machine"? Is this some bit of revolutionary hardware
design that we are so far previously unaware of?
Linux is an operating system.
AmigaONE is hardware.
If you are going to make statements like "Mediocre Linux PPC machine" you need to
say why the AmigaONE ( that runs LinuxPPC ( and according to Bill Buck
MorphOS ) ) is mediocre and Pegasos isn't.
This is what I think of as mudslinging, you attach a negative adjective to
something you want to smear every time you say it but never justify it. You are
either trolling for flames ( sigh like we need them ) or you are hoping that
someone will see your comment and say "oh the AmigaONE, isnt that a mediocre LinuxPPC
machine?" because yes a good percentage of the population is that thick.
I'd really like to see an end to stuff like this, and "Hype-OS", "Amino" etc
being used in a derogatory fashion because it doesn't help the debate.
In fact I think Bill Buck has made a strategic mistake, opening a front against
LinuxPPC vendors ( surely Seehund needs to pop in here and point out what he
has said all along about free market and the more linux ppc vendors we have
the more potential platforms for AmigaOS4 and MorphOS? ) because look at Strobes
reaction. Lots of subjective heat against LinuxPPC.
It's just one big turn off. :-(
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 195 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 05-Dec-2002 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 190 (Eva):
"3) AmigaOne is actually only a mediocre LinuxPPC machine ... Pegasos has got a really good Os like MorphOS that is capable to do more AmigaLike things."
You're saying that an AmigaLike OS is better then AmigaOS, why you're still here is beyond me...
see comment 191, line 4 it shows it all
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 196 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (DaveW):
"because look at Strobe's reaction. Lots of subjective heat against LinuxPPC.
It's just one big turn off. :-("
Couldn't agree with you more.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 197 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Timothy De Groote on 05-Dec-2002 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 196 (Anonymous):
Just my experience with my AmigaONE up till now.
I have tried LinuxPPC (debian) and i'm NOT an expert on this (right OleGil?:))
i consider it added value as a)it has apps which AmigaOS won't have (yet). I like Ibrowse but if i cannot open a site i use Mozilla on the Aone. So i have two machines in one. If QUake2 is a bit slow i play it on the Aone. If a movies is to slow i play it on the Aone. AONE=FUN ! :)
About the DMA bug -> ide=nodma cures a lot, i know it's not ideal but ALL HW has bugs and i'm sure any big bugs that MIGHT be in the AOne I have will not be there in future designs. But i'm happy with the one I have now :)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 198 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 05-Dec-2002 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Brad Ray):
>>To me, the Pegasos is just like having a ppc Blizzard all over again.
Non standardized hardware.
>>To me, MorphOS is like having a bunch of software patches all over again.
Eh? In what way do you find the pegasos in any via different from the eyetech version of a teron board in terms of industrial standards? Both have similar specs and yes, agp, usb etc. are standardized. Maybe you ought to get your facts straight before posting such an argument.
Same goes for what you claim of morphOS to be: "Just a bunch of patches" While you might be right in that it does allow for "patches" like mui to be used, it doesen't mean the ambient of mos is made of patches. In either case even if it were so, the same thing applies to os4 with amidock, visualprefs, birdie etc. all just put together to the package so that you won't need to download them separately from aminet when you buy your copy of the os.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 199 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 05-Dec-2002 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (amigammc):
>>What, where you sleeping? Alan's post was the answer to Thendic's bull
That's coz I hadn't read it yet, just alan's response. My next step is probably to attack thendic's marketing after reading their original post.
And yes, when your customers are measured in mere thousands, even one customer less is something you shouldn't want to have.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 200 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 05-Dec-2002 10:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 197 (Timothy De Groote):
>About the DMA bug -> ide=nodma cures a lot, i know it's not ideal but (...)
About what are you actually speaking? About the AmigaOne? I thought there is no
DMA bug?
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