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[News] Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post.ANN.lu
Posted on 04-Dec-2002 13:31 GMT by Christian Kemp275 comments
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Eyetech replied to Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco's recent posting in the AmigaOne group at Yahoo. This is a repost under my name, since the original poster asked for the article to be removed. I don't agree with the view that this message should be kept off ANN since it is an interesting read and presents, in a way, the other side of the story; but after some consideration decided to respect the original poster's wish to have his posting and name removed, and opted to create a duplicate.
I'm afraid Buck has exceeded even his usual level of bullshit and innuendo on this one.

My take on this:

Our announcement of the G4 availability and pricing, and of the (solved) Articia problem at the WoA SE was not what he expected. Since then we have been innundated for dealership agreements from ex-Amiga dealers who have (and their customers have) good memories of the Amiga OS and a growing hatred of Windows. The polls, such as they, are show that the A1-XE G4 is by far the most popular PPC platform for the Amiga community and this must also have been a bit of a shock. (Is it also a coincidence that we've been the recipients of an intense, targeted virus campaign since then, I wonder?)

Meanwhile Hyperions work on PPCBoot and linux has allowed the Teron reference boards to get to a level where they can be usefully sold in the Linux Market. As most on this list will know we have the rights to distribute these boards in Europe and now Terrasoft do in the US. (We also have distribution rights on the Teron based designs for the Amiga marker worldwide). This has knackered Thendics plans for world domination of the PPC Linux market.

Reading between the lines it seems that they are prepared to drop MorphOS altogether if they can get their hands on OS4 to at least salvage something. Buck plans to do this by suing Amiga Inc (for what?) and bribing us to abandon the AmigaOne and Hyperion to port OS4 to the pegasos hardware . Sorry, thats not on. You can only have sensible business arrangements with people who are trustworthy and behave with integrity. There are plenty of instances (which are inappropriate to reveal here) where these principles have been completely abandoned on his side.

On their so-called relationship with MAI, we/hyperion have done more to help MAI get the Teron design to the linux market than ever bplan have, alltough I don't doubt that Gerald Carda made an important contribution to identifying the Articia bug - I've every respect for him as a hardware engineer.

As far as Thendic making their own boards is concerned thats a complete joke. Its a matter of public record that Thendic-France incorporated as a one-man company with the minimum 7500 euros of capital. Thendic, like us and MAI do not actually make anything themselves, manufacture is all subcontracted. In our case its to a Tiawanese specialist, in Thendic's its to DCE. Based on our past experience of quality assurance and after sales service from DCE I personally would never buy any DCE manufactured products for resale again.

Well you did ask

Alan

Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 201 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 05-Dec-2002 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (amigammc):
>>You think? Do you really believe that if one company sells, say, 200 units of their product, support and development is gonna continue?
>>Unless you have money to throw away you do care about the number of units sold as much as anyone else.
Man now you're either intentionally acting like you understood my post in a seriously WRONG way or then you just really did so because my english is not always so good.
So to clarify: When I said I don't care how many units of which hw is sold, I mean't to me it's the same which company is the one to remain on the market. The hw is similar in both cases, and to me it matters that it's good quality and the business should be conducted ADULT! with thendic and hyperion/eyetech this has not been the case, thus ending up probably loosing at least one customer (me) in the process.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 202 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 05-Dec-2002 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (catohagen):
>>im anti about all the crap going on behind the scenes, why not just play fair ?
I agree fully and wish the parties involved would listen to what you've just said.
>>flooding eyetech with email viruses...hoping to kill some a1 orders and
other important stuff....
I hope you are not indicating that bplan might be behind this... Nobody knows why or who is behind the virus campaign. It could be anyone with any agenda. It is true that it could be some kickass retardzealot of the other camp, trying to cause trouble, but there's not proof of it so people really shouldn't jump into conclusions everytime someone yells YAY!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 203 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 197 (Timothy De Groote):
>About the DMA bug -> ide=nodma cures a lot
But it downright sucks, we have noDMA IDE with this Elbox thing, AmigaOne deserves better!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 204 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 10:54 GMT
Schnittstellen
Pegasos AmigaOneSE (TeronCX) AmigaOne (TeronPX)
Sound onboard ja (AC97) nein nein
Firewire onboard ja (3) nein nein
Gameport onboard ja nein nein
Dualprozessorunterst. ja nein nein
Komponenten
Pegasos AmigaOneSE (TeronCX) AmigaOne (TeronPX)
Southbridge VT8231 686B 686B
(einer der schlechtesten
SB Chips [DMA-Probleme])
April(tm)-CustomChip ja nein nein
Preis (ohne Mehrwertsteuer)
Pegasos AmigaOneSE (TeronCX) AmigaOne (TeronPX)
mit 600 Mhz G3 CPU 480€ (BT1/2) 580€ (ohne dem
AmigaOS-ähnlichen OS)
mit 800 Mhz G3 CPU 480€ (Pegasos) 725€ (ohne dem
AmigaOS-ähnlichen OS)
mit 800 Mhz G4 CPU max. 680€ (weniger! als 200€ 800€ (ohne dem
für das Upgrade) AmigaOS-ähnlichen OS)
Systems
MorphOS AmigaOS4
lots of Features already implemented Feature-List
fully running Kernel Kernel in development/evaluation
native programs already launched or no Programs actually in development
in development (f.e. DV-Editing,
Games, Office, Networking etc)
Anderes entscheidendes:
Genesi AmigaInc/Eyetech/Hyperion
Board available with full bugfix Boards only available with fix1
Board available now Boards available between 16-20. Dez
(with Amiga-like OS) (without Amiga-like OS)
Attend at all important Attend to most Amiga-Fairs but
Amiga-Fairs and "Big-Events" focuses on "Big-Events"
shows their HW and complete OS show their HW and some modules of the OS
at fairs not running on the target hardware
Hardware and Softwaredesigner May's Hardwaredesigner might not even know
grew up with the market and set the Amiga (the first (real) AmigaOne-Board already
serious landmarks in elecronic failed due to serious misconcepts in the
engineering and low-level development layout of this board!). Main OS Programmers
for this market, like the first AmigaPPC- came from Windows/Linux market to bring
Accelerators as well as the first 3D games to the new PowerPC-Amigaplatforms,
RTG-System. the ppl behind Genesi invented and designed.
(geplante) Zukunftsentwicklung:
Genesi AmigaInc/Eyetech/Hyperion
*Mobiler PowerPC-Rechner mit Amiga- *AmigaDE Spiele auf WindowsBetriebsystem
ähnlichen Betriebssystem
*JavaVM Implementierung *Sandbox Implemetierung
(durch die A-Box im MOS bereits geschehen)
*resetfester RAM-Baustein für Installation
das Betriebsystem
*zahlreiche Entwicklerkonferenzen
*offizieller Verkaufstart: offizieller geplanter Verkaufsstart:
Amiga-Messe Aachen (diese WE!) Ende des ersten Quartals 2003 (um die CeBit '03 [April])
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 205 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (gz):
>I hope you are not indicating that bplan might be behind this...
It doesn't matter who exactly, it's always "Zee Germans" - H&P or bplan or DCE,
you name it! :^)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 206 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Dec-2002 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 204 (Anonymous):
Yes, as said many times before: The A1 is a weaker product to a higher price! (And add the form factor to that list.)
I wish that Eyetech could change their mind and proclaim the Pegasos as the official A1 hardware! The offer from Genesi would also mean greater profit for Eyetech, so I see no actual reason to reject the offer ...
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 207 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 05-Dec-2002 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (gz):
>I hope you are not indicating that bplan might be behind this... Nobody knows why >or who is behind the virus campaign. It could be anyone with any agenda. It is true >that it could be some kickass retardzealot of the other camp, trying to cause >trouble, but there's not proof of it so people really shouldn't jump into >conclusions everytime someone yells YAY!
no, i really dont think thendic or Genesi or Bplan are behind this, but someone
who wants Eyetech to fail....I know alot of anger towards Amiga Inc, but this
is Eyetech who cant be blaimed for Amiga Inc mistakes and failed announcements.
My guess its atleast someone who wants Genesi to "win the war" and did take
this patetic idea to reality.....
hope they didnt cover their tracks, so it is easy to find out who....
Is it illegal spreading viruses to companys email adress, who depends on their
email for income ? like prison ?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 208 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 05-Dec-2002 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Johan Rönnblom):
No - no religious blind faith (unlike some here) but a judgement based on sound fact. They are an excellent company with good customer satisfaction.
I really don't think it is going to be too much of an issue as events are now unfolding.
---
Sam
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 209 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 05-Dec-2002 11:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 191 (Anonymous):
The vocal majority also agree. ;)
---
Sam
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 210 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Dec-2002 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 207 (catohagen):
> ... but this is Eyetech who cant be blaimed for Amiga Inc mistakes and failed
> announcements.
I agree. No one (not even Amiga Inc) deserves that.
> My guess its atleast someone who wants Genesi to "win the war" and did take
> this patetic idea to reality.....
Well, spam mails (with or without viruses) doesn't necessarily mean that someone purpously tries to conduct sabotage. I get virus infected mails all the time at work. And it seems like some viruses mail themselves to every mail contact in the infected computers address book. So it could very well be that *a customer* of Eyetech *unknowingly* sends virus infected e-mails to Eyetech.
(BTW, I wish there would be no war. I wish that everyone could just come together and cooperate)
> Is it illegal spreading viruses to companys email adress, who depends on
> their email for income ? like prison ?
Sabotage is illigal. Prison? Well, the legal systems are different in different countries, but I guess that lots of things have to be proven for that to happen.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 211 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 05-Dec-2002 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (petr krenzelok):
You seem to have a very clouded view of reality.
How exactly have Hyperion and Eyetech broken promises?
---
Sam
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 212 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 05-Dec-2002 11:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 190 (Eva):
All very well except for the huge flaw in the plan - No OS4.
---
Sam
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 213 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 05-Dec-2002 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (amigammc):
It's funny how these people who claim not to be 'Zelots' (yet clearly are) always say that they are 'about to leave the Amiga community' - but never actually do.
---
Sam
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 214 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 05-Dec-2002 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Paul Mellor):
Paul said:"I have this problem too! AWeb says that it can not display messages because my browser is not accepting cookies.
Yet cookies are set to Always Use, and no other site has a problem! Do you have the same problem?"
YEP! I normally have cookies- 'Ask before set', but changing to- 'Always (quiet)' and selecting 'Use' makes NO difference in Yahoo-Groups.
° Another thing with AWeb that I find is sometimes just following a LINK doesn't LOAD the referred Page ..... I have to hit the RELOAD button.
° Then there's the INVISIBLE Text problem ..... sometimes solved by GRABing and PASTING into a texteditor.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 215 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 05-Dec-2002 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (pixie):
There is a huge difference between moderation and expressing one's opinion.
Just because I'm a moderator does not mean I cannot have an opinion on a number of things, and voice it in the comments section. This is my site, and I reserve the right to do that. Similarly, Christophe has every right to moderate news items AND voice his opinion in the comments section; and I appreciate that he's not hiding behind a pseudonym like so many people here.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 216 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Jiggly on 05-Dec-2002 12:13 GMT
What I don't understand is - instead of all you people trying to convince us of how awful the AmigaOne is, why don't you just sod off and buy Pegasos' and be happy? It would certainly make this place far less hostile.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 217 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE!!! on 05-Dec-2002 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 177 (Anonymous):
Obviously you have no clue about what are you talking about! mate.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 218 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE!!! on 05-Dec-2002 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (Anonymous):
So thee poor mindly people when got no arguments just insult.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 219 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Dec-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Troels E):
Yes I do... I won't tell you where or who told me.
Anyway I believe it's about time... I got fed up from Amiga Inc...
Let Genesi, Hyperion and Eyetech do their job without useless
interference.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 220 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Dec-2002 13:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Anonymous):
Shut up about my name... My full name is Alkiviadis Alexandros Tsapanidis
but nobody would be able to spell it or remember it;)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 221 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Dec-2002 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (amigammc):
Then why didn't they sue so far? No money? No evidence?
Oh s***?!
Unlike Amiga Inc. this is not a threat.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 222 of 275ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 221 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Message removed by CK for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Childish trolling
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 223 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Dec-2002 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (gz):
I got a lot of virus emails this month... Do I work for eyetech too?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 224 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Harry Hirsch aka logain on 05-Dec-2002 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (takemehomegrandma):
Ouch!
>Yes, as said many times before: The A1 is a weaker product to a higher price!
>(And add the form factor to that list.)
done! :)
>I wish that Eyetech could change their mind and proclaim the Pegasos as the
>official A1 hardware! The offer from Genesi would also mean greater profit
>for Eyetech, so I see no actual reason to reject the offer ...
Hi takemehome...:)
Was not in my intention to post this screwed up msg now (was just testing the layout and..ouups).
The point i really cant understand (and let me do yet another comparisation on purpose) is
a.) that Eyetech/Hyperion is driving a FUD-campaign against MorphOS since months where they try to relavate the man-years put in the development for MorphOS towards their 'highly' unfinished OS (do they think they can do this without getting confrontated with the facts?),
b.) they claim they are the only one serving the Amiga-market which is absolutly not true and they know (actually Genesi is doing much more for the community and they seem to be actually nearer to the intentions of this System then Amiga/Eyetech/Hyperion has planned until now!)
c.) that they seem to have no real masterplan for the future (who develops >=OS4.2 etc?) but claim that they are the only Amiga future.
d.) that they seem to have no sense for buisness (do they think, everything will stay fine when they'll still be years behind the MorphOS development while selling buggy boards to the Linux community?)
e.) that they're not doing what they supposted to do. Genesi has high talented Hardware and low-level Softwareengineer (the best ones the market has), Hyperions engineers are specialised in high-level programming especially 3D-Games while Eyetech is an Amiga-Distributor from UK.
Normally they should all work together perfectly. Genesi build Hardware and the OS (as Amiga always produced HW AND OS, even this is tried to be put in a bad light by Amiga Inc.&consorts), Hyperion is porting 'AAA'-titles to MorphOS while Eyetech is selling the Hardware.
To bad that they still think, they can do the work of the other far better even when started years later...(not to mention the occured probs on their board which will cost them additional time and money)
Thats why I started to make this short sheet (its still not finished but got 3 new parts including the Formfactors ;), that ppl can have a look what is exacly known about the status and other issues about both projects.
And...I think its also quite easy to figure out who really comes nearest to the Amiga ideas and ideals ;-)
Spirit continues..
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 225 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by elektro on 05-Dec-2002 13:57 GMT
Closed hardware systems are a thing of the 80s. Snap out of it.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 226 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 05-Dec-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 225 (elektro):
Wake up you nut! ;-)
Closed Hardware Systems become very important with the growing
mobile market (and its a rapidly growing market btw)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 227 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by elektro on 05-Dec-2002 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 226 (logain):
yeah if you want to buy a sony mobile phone...
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 228 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 05-Dec-2002 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 227 (elektro):
Erm :-)
I'm more talking about Handhelds, PDAs, mobile or pocket computers or how you call it :-)
Anyways, these markets will come together. The Eclipsis will be a mobile computer and a mobile phone in one
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 229 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 225 (elektro):
History has been known to repeat!
Who can say for certain what the future holds.
Just because a certain way of doing things is in vogue does not mean that it will continue indefinitely.
Just as quick example; a lot of the processing power on 3d cards (specialised processors) is inefficient in that it can only be used to produce a certain type of graphic output. If there were a set of more generalised DSPs (custom chips) integrated tightly with the CPU they could be used for all sorts of effects, from graphics to sound. Instead we have mega cpus sitting on different cards that have no real way of working together.
The future will show us that there are much better ways to do things than we previously imagined. Maybe custom chips were an idea before their time!
This is by no means the end of history.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 230 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 05-Dec-2002 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 191 (Anonymous):
1. Dce is only a constructor. And is european, not Taiwanese. With good knolgedge and the right update to thei constructor chains they can create something really good
2. Bplan is a thing, Thendic another, remember.
3. G4? Also Eyetech admoitted that IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE RELEASED in near time LOL. Also Ge AmigaOne are not shipped TO NO-ONE, while on MorphMl every day there is someone with a new RUNNING PEgasos.
4. AmigaOS 4 is a project, MorphOS an Os that run. Do you know the difference between 68k components and an PPC OS that run on A PPC machine?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 231 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 05-Dec-2002 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Jedi):
Right
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 232 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 05-Dec-2002 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 195 (pixie):
Simply because Eyetech WILL IN FUTURE sell a MAchine named Amiga with a ... Linux Operative system. Could AmigaOne can called AMiga, really? It's a blasfemy.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 233 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 05-Dec-2002 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (pixie):
>Before you go to sleep, ask yourself three questions:
Too late, I was already at sleep.
>* Do I know what moderation is!?
Yes, I work for you almost on a daily basis, moderating post as news, correcting links, etc
>* Do I know what impartiality is!?
Impartiality is not being pissed off like you do when reading my comment.
Imagine that I could have jumped on all the people here that talk crap without knowing sh* to told them they are idiots.
I did not do that because instead of getting angry at everyone I can just witness what happen and either think these guys are pathetic or laugh.
>* Do I know what pseudonyms are used for!?
Yes they are for people that do not have the balls to put their real name.
>You should then meditate over these issues, after a long good night sleep you >should be able to find the answers to these questions.
I did, now it is your turn.
>Damn! You're so biased it scares! (i.e. for a moderator, that is)
As Christian said my moderator role does not forbid to voice my opinion.
There are 2 kinds of people on ANN:
a) - people that have information that "normal" people do not have
b) - people that are clueless
a) - people that keep relatively quiet or completely quiet
b) - people that are very loud
a) people that plays the transparency, the honesty
b) people that play a role, that are just here to apply tactics.
Unfortunately there are a lot of b) here. There are elso some people with mixed a) b)
I try as much as possible to stay close from a)
For example I can disclose this here now that everything has been revealed.
Why did I wrote my comment ? Well if you go back in the ANN archives you will see that I personaly asked about the bug to Ben weeks ago (a) when everyone was clueless and that he said something like "There is no bug, the MorphOS team is clueless"
Note that I asked him gently (a) instead of bashing him and telling him he was the clueless one, there was a bug, etc. (a)
I also knew the bug was here as myself and my business partner have a Pegasos and have been experiencing the bug.
At this time I knew that bplan were working with MAI to fix the bug.
I think Thendic did not make big news with this at this time (a) and did not went to MAI to provide a fix that was then made available to bplan competitors(a)
After we got the WOASE announcement with the mention of the fixed articia. Note that, it was a shame that Eyetech announced a fixed articia with letting think that Bplan/Thendic did not have it while there will be no bug correction without them (b). Maybe it was not Eyetech fist intention but some people in the that knew (a) were playing a role saying "Eyetech has a fixed board, we don't know about Bplan"
Note that at this time I did not say that these people were screwing the people that were indirectly fixing their board (a)
While we werewaiting for fixed Pegasos boards I was told that there were some new bugs found and that bplan was working on it (a). Note that hey could have send us semi fixed boards.
I did not come here to say that Eyetech were clueless, that their boards were not really fixed etc(a)
Then I knew that bplan did a fix and that they would have boards ready for Aachen. Once again I stay quiet (a).
Then Bill Buck does the April + other stuff press release.
Of course when you missed almost all parts of the story (like you may have) you think his post was very confusing (b). I found out the pun "no MAI without april" (MAI means may in french). I did not post it and asked if I was right to BBRV that told me I was right. I did not brag about finding out (a).
Then BBRV reveal everything (a) and hundreds of clueless people say he is bad bad bad (b). Eyetech answer that he is spreading FUD (b)while I think that Alan honestly thought that there is no more bug and may have doubt from the BBRV post (a) I think it was a mistake to bash him without being assured that there is no bug left. I like Alan and I think he'd better have clarified the situation with bplan before doing such public statement. That would have helped everyone.
Now I wait and see. With my business partner we have an Amiga shop and we have been waiting OS4 and Amigaone for years. We have no biased as we sell what our customers ask. Some of them asked for the Pegasos so we will sell it, some of them ask for the AmigaOne and we will sell it as soon as it has OS4.
You may think I'am pro Pegasos/Morphos but if the Amigaone/AOS4 would have been ready before the Pegasos/MorphOS then some people would think I'am pro Amiga.
Well, now do what you want with this post. I did it in an honest way. My views may have been different if I would not have known so many details. But again I knew this details because we have customers asking for a product and that we wanted to have it completely fixed before shipping it and that Thendic has been honest and told us about the bugs.
>Happy Christmas!
Happy Christmas too ! Get something from your Amiga dealer. If you pick up a few Applications it will help to have them on OS4/Pegasos.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 234 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEEE!!! on 05-Dec-2002 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 195 (pixie):
Linux is an Unix-Like operating system which does Unix-like stuff, everybody says that it is getting better than the original one, not to mention that one doesn't need to .
How can an Unix-Like operating system be like the original Unix????
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 235 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEEE!!! on 05-Dec-2002 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 197 (Timothy De Groote):
I think you should go to the shop and buy a PIV at 2.5ghz and run UAE under Linux, you get all the benefits from an Amiga, all the benefits from Linux and it's cheaper.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 236 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Dec-2002 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 233 (Christophe Decanini):
Thank you for that post. I hope it will enlighten some people here.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 237 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Robert on 05-Dec-2002 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 233 (Christophe Decanini):
Hi Christophe,
I liked your post, thanks.
Just one thing:
> I like Alan and I think he'd better have clarified
> the situation with bplan before doing such public statement.
I don't think it was Alan's intention that what he said on the A1ML
be interpreted as a "Public Statement". If you look at the posts before and after,
you'll see a request from me for clarification, followed by Alan's reply.
I then asked if I could re-post his statement. To quote Alan,
"I'd rather you didn't". By that time it was too late.
While it may have been a little rash, I'm sure it wasn't meant as Eyetech's public statement.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 238 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 05-Dec-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 236 (takemehomegrandma):
Note that I posted that so people understand my behavior here when I comment.
I don't want to flame Eyetech / Hyperion. I'am not sided I would like to have as many product as possible available to the market.
- They may have thought that Thendic did a false announcement setting confusion
- They may know exactely what is going on and play the best they can to get as many people with them while setting confusion
I don't know. What I know is that several more Pegasos could have been sold without the bug fixing if Thendic would not have told deale
rs as soon as they found out the first bug.
I also have a big respect for Bplan engineers and I would trust him when he says that he found a severe bug.
It is so confusing that I don't know who does not know and who is playing dumb ...
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 239 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 05-Dec-2002 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 237 (Robert):
>While it may have been a little rash, I'm sure it wasn't meant as Eyetech's >public statement.
Then it is a pity. Anyone can register to this list and cross post. What is sad is that while BBRV asking for cooperation with Eyetech and Hyperion there is such an answer that blow away any chance of cooperation.
Maybe there is no need to have it fixed with the April chip. Or maybe Eyetech will have a solution when OS4 ships. We will know soon or later.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 240 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 05-Dec-2002 15:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Christophe Decanini):
I think we will know sooner rather than later.
I have a lot of confidence in people who have been in the chipset designing business since 1995 and have attracted over tens of millions USD in venture capital.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 241 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 05-Dec-2002 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Christophe Decanini):
Asking for co-operation in public when there are private issues unresolved
and well established private channels where such an appeal would have meant
people could have had a frank and open conversation means that someone wants
to put someone else in a corner and then turn public opinion against them when
they reject the overture.
Trying to turn the "community" into judge and jury at every turn is a bad strategy
if you want to get things done, a good strategy if you want to throw mud.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 242 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Jedi on 05-Dec-2002 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Christophe Decanini):
"We will know soon or later."
Sure. 2003 will be a very interessant year ;)
Everybody will see who says the truth...
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 243 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 05-Dec-2002 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 232 (Eva):
You need some hardware to run AmigaOS, and guess what these hardware should be named... Amiga* that's right! Amiga always was about a tie between Hardware and software.
The leap between A4000 and A3000 wasn't so big, some use to say it even was a step behynd, but wasn't it called Amiga!? CDTV was everything a A500 were, but with a CD-ROM, yet it wasn't named Amiga was it!? Amiga hardware is what the corporate enterprise says it is, it's the cruel reality striking again...
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 244 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 234 (It's MEEEE!!!):
Sorry where I said:
>Linux is an Unix-Like operating system which does Unix-like stuff, everybody
>says that it is getting better than the original one, not to mention that one
>doesn't need to .
I wanted to say: not to mention that one doesn't need to spend money in an expensive mainframe.
>How can an Unix-Like operating system be like the original Unix????
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 245 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 05-Dec-2002 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 244 (Anonymous):
> wanted to say: not to mention that one doesn't need to spend money in an expensive mainframe.
Err what?
Need to spend money on an expensive mainframe to do what exactly?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 246 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 05-Dec-2002 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 241 (DaveW):
I partly agree.
While I have been criticized all important Amiga players to discuss business in public I like to know what is going on. If everything is very private anyone can make up stories saying "I wanted to cooperate with them and they did not agree" while tho other camp would say "It is not true, exactely the opposite happened"
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 247 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 05-Dec-2002 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 246 (Christophe Decanini):
That is of course the flaw, but there is nothing worse than saying to a partner
"your crap, your lying can we work together" in public eh?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 248 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 05-Dec-2002 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 246 (Christophe Decanini):
It's a fun soap opera for us news craving fanatics to be sure. Yet I can not see how Bill Buck could honestly believe a public announcement like this would have any greater outcome then his private meetings.
Pass the popcorn.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 249 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE on 05-Dec-2002 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 245 (DaveW):
On its origin Unix ran on mainframes late in the nineties the only common machines running Unix flavours were mainframes and propietary workstations like the ones from Sun.
What I meant is to state that Linux is getting better features than regular Unices as you can run it on cheap hardware like common PC's and also make it run on Big Monsters(tm) but with the fact that will cost you near-to nothing.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 250 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 05-Dec-2002 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 248 (redrumloa):
I didn't understand why he said all details in public so soon. They could have corrected the bugs and keep everything secret.
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