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[News] Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post.ANN.lu
Posted on 04-Dec-2002 13:31 GMT by Christian Kemp275 comments
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Eyetech replied to Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco's recent posting in the AmigaOne group at Yahoo. This is a repost under my name, since the original poster asked for the article to be removed. I don't agree with the view that this message should be kept off ANN since it is an interesting read and presents, in a way, the other side of the story; but after some consideration decided to respect the original poster's wish to have his posting and name removed, and opted to create a duplicate.
I'm afraid Buck has exceeded even his usual level of bullshit and innuendo on this one.

My take on this:

Our announcement of the G4 availability and pricing, and of the (solved) Articia problem at the WoA SE was not what he expected. Since then we have been innundated for dealership agreements from ex-Amiga dealers who have (and their customers have) good memories of the Amiga OS and a growing hatred of Windows. The polls, such as they, are show that the A1-XE G4 is by far the most popular PPC platform for the Amiga community and this must also have been a bit of a shock. (Is it also a coincidence that we've been the recipients of an intense, targeted virus campaign since then, I wonder?)

Meanwhile Hyperions work on PPCBoot and linux has allowed the Teron reference boards to get to a level where they can be usefully sold in the Linux Market. As most on this list will know we have the rights to distribute these boards in Europe and now Terrasoft do in the US. (We also have distribution rights on the Teron based designs for the Amiga marker worldwide). This has knackered Thendics plans for world domination of the PPC Linux market.

Reading between the lines it seems that they are prepared to drop MorphOS altogether if they can get their hands on OS4 to at least salvage something. Buck plans to do this by suing Amiga Inc (for what?) and bribing us to abandon the AmigaOne and Hyperion to port OS4 to the pegasos hardware . Sorry, thats not on. You can only have sensible business arrangements with people who are trustworthy and behave with integrity. There are plenty of instances (which are inappropriate to reveal here) where these principles have been completely abandoned on his side.

On their so-called relationship with MAI, we/hyperion have done more to help MAI get the Teron design to the linux market than ever bplan have, alltough I don't doubt that Gerald Carda made an important contribution to identifying the Articia bug - I've every respect for him as a hardware engineer.

As far as Thendic making their own boards is concerned thats a complete joke. Its a matter of public record that Thendic-France incorporated as a one-man company with the minimum 7500 euros of capital. Thendic, like us and MAI do not actually make anything themselves, manufacture is all subcontracted. In our case its to a Tiawanese specialist, in Thendic's its to DCE. Based on our past experience of quality assurance and after sales service from DCE I personally would never buy any DCE manufactured products for resale again.

Well you did ask

Alan

Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 251 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 05-Dec-2002 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 248 (redrumloa):
Yeah.. Each week shows something NEW and *exciting* turns on this ongoing Saga. It's been amazingly interesting to watch all ths backstabbing, lying etc. going on and on. It's some time ago developed into position where the actual product has lost being main interest. It's more like interactive enterntaiment to all attending.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 252 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Roj on 05-Dec-2002 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 224 (Harry Hirsch aka logain):
a.) Your opinion. Others see it as damage control. In the worst case it's overreaction, but at least their official public statements have been posted on their commercial websites rather than slipped into a potentially anonymous public forum. It takes a day and a half to verify that the post is legitimate, and by that time you've already got 200+ posts spun way out of control.
b.) All sides want what they view as the best solution for the platform. Problem is, only one has taken the necessary and legitimate legal road to ownership of the Amiga name and intellectual property. If nothing else, it shows an effort to play the game with at least some regard for the legal side of things. I know this lawsuit threatened by BB isn't going to be over the Amiga name. There's never been a question of ownership.
c.) This is conjecture on your part. It reveals a bias rather than at least attempting to point out fact. Biased opinions don't amount to a hill o' beans anymore. Then again, facts don't appear to either. =^)
d.) Again, it's a leap of faith to even attempt to state with any sense of certainty where MorphOS will in the coming years. I'd say at least Hyperion has a strong business sense. Having never purchased, or seen available for purchase, anything produced by Thendic leaves me to draw my own conclusion.
e.) Yes, it a Eutopian society, they'd all be working together, but that's just not going to happen. I think the best that can be hoped for is that each side build their own idea of the Dream Amiga as reasonably as possible and let the market decide who lives and who dies.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 253 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 05-Dec-2002 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 221 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"Then why didn't they sue so far? No money? No evidence?
Oh s***?!"
- Maybe they will wait untill Morphos is actually released (not in buggy beta), that would make a stronger case.
- Maybe the decedided that Morphos is no threat (200 users so far :-)
- Maybe they just dont have enough evidence, even though they are sure about who's right and wrong.
- Maybe Amiga feel Thendic/Morphos/Bplan/Dce aint worth spending time on as they will be dead in 6 months anyway?
"Unlike Amiga Inc. this is not a threat."
Uhh... You seem to know a lot, are you an employee of Thendic or connected with them in any other way (If you are you should have told people here earlier..)....
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 254 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Santa Claus on 05-Dec-2002 18:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (Mike Veroukis):
Mike,
From what I have heard the whole Amiga Community has been GOOD... Look we have people working on two different boards for the Amiga...
I know how long ALL of you have waited for a new Amiga... Please be a bit more patient...
Like I said I would like to deliver many A1 motherboards/systems this Christmas.
Santa
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 255 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 18:31 GMT
I think its pretty sad that the AmigaOne group would speak in such a degenerate,low undignified way ... even if you dont like someone... gowing 10 levels below then to cause them grief only shows YOUR character and should do nothing to discredit BBRV.
I havent taken a side in this I want an Amiga... but with such degenerate,low-minded people making the A1 it's a wonder it will ever get done?.
I dunno.
reguards
-=Myiasis=-
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 256 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by MonkeyOS on 05-Dec-2002 19:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 255 (Anonymous):
Buy a camera and record the Thendic Beathbed Vigil. Make millions, well thousands, well hundreds.. Hmm.. Make beer money;-)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 257 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 05-Dec-2002 19:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 255 (Anonymous):
Wrong, you are biased like everyone here.
Both side have degenerate, low minded, ... And that's pretty equal depend only if they are on holliday or not :). By your comment (degenerate, low minded), you self include on one side, like me sometimes :)). That are the opinions, sometimes balanced, sometimes not.
Ikez
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 258 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Dec-2002 20:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 253 (Troels E):
200 users? No. 200 *BETATESTERS*. This means... Advanced users and developers.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 259 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 21:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 248 (redrumloa):
>Yet I can not see how Bill Buck could honestly believe a public announcement
>like this would have any greater outcome then his private meetings.
Yes, when does Ben come to a private meeting with Bill to fetch his requested
Pegasos and have some nice private talks about possibilities to cooperate? :-)
Noone really wants splits over and over again, right?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 260 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 06-Dec-2002 00:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 221 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>Then why didn't they sue so far? No money? No evidence?
Because, I told you before, Amiga Inc. didn't give a damn about Thendic. Although posts like BB and yours are certainly not making things better and people are losing their patience.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 261 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 06-Dec-2002 01:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Brad Ray):
>I don't run WindowsXP because they give me no choice.
Install SP1 for Windows XP. It gives you the choice to turn off MS's middle ware products.
>They tell me what I must do and what I must not do.
Did you forget MacOS X?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 262 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 06-Dec-2002 01:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (strobe):
>68k was ALWAYS an embeeded CPU.
It was "Pentium" during the early 80s i.e. 68000 was 32/16bit CPU against 16/8bit era.
>Motorola adopted PowerPC because it made a better embedded CPU
Note "PC"(aka personal computer) within "PowerPC" label.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 263 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 06-Dec-2002 01:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (Nathaniel Downes):
> I would have loved such a fix for my VIA northbridge that couldn't run Quake3 on a top-end Athlon due to this bug.
What level of Athlon XP? My test X86 PCs runs Quake3 fine.
My test PC's motherboard is MSI brand (both MS-6330 V5, MS-6330 V3.4).
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 264 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Dec-2002 01:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 172 (Anonymous):
>They force anyone to implement their naughty "copyprotection" dongle and pose >unusual prerequirements for OS4 licenses, because they are the mighty "the >name" company. :-P
There’s nothing wrong with copy protection.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 265 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 06-Dec-2002 01:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 264 (Anonymous):
>There’s nothing wrong with copy protection.
If this was about copy protection this wouldn't be an issue.
It isn't about copy protection. It's about licensing and control of the HW companies and the choices of customers.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 266 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 06-Dec-2002 01:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 262 (hammer):
>>Motorola adopted PowerPC because it made a better embedded CPU
>Note "PC"(aka personal computer) within "PowerPC" label.
Indeed, but we're talking about what Motorola developed, not what they adopted.
601, 603, 604 series were designed for desktops and small servers...by IBM.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 267 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 06-Dec-2002 01:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 230 (Eva):
>In Reply to Comment 191:
>1. Dce is only a constructor. And is european, not Taiwanese. With good >knolgedge and the right update to thei constructor chains they can create >
I see nothing wrong with the "Taiwanese" label. Are you claiming DCE will beat Taiwanese based board manufactures? (e.g. Leadtek (with nForce2), MSI, Gigabyte, Protac ‘etc’.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 268 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 06-Dec-2002 02:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 267 (Hammer):
I think I speak for most people reading this forum when I say:
We don't give a levetating POOP where the boards are made or what elitist company resides in the same country!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 269 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Dec-2002 02:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 265 (strobe):
>It isn't about copy protection.(SNIP)
Subjective POV.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 270 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 06-Dec-2002 02:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 266 (strobe):
>Indeed, but we're talking about what Motorola developed, not what they adopted. 601, 603, 604 series were designed for desktops and small servers...by IBM.
Was IBM’s PPC significantly better than Moto’s PPC?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 271 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 06-Dec-2002 02:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 270 (hammer):
No.
As I understand it the AIM alliance shares the instruction set, but not the implementation. However IIRC Motorola licensed IBM's implementation.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 272 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 06-Dec-2002 02:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 271 (strobe):
>No.
What was the purpose for posting your remarks in regards to my post?
>As I understand it the AIM alliance shares the instruction set, but not the >implementation. (SNIP)
I don't think that was the issue.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 273 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 06-Dec-2002 02:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 272 (hammer):
The issue was complaining that somehow Motorola had abandoned the Amiga and 68k when Motorola didn't give a damn about Amiga in the first place, nor have they dropped 68k.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 274 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Dec-2002 06:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 266 (strobe):
>601, 603, 604 series were designed for desktops and small servers...by IBM.
They had their Sumerset joint development center.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 275 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 06-Dec-2002 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 268 (strobe):
@ Strobe
"I think I speak for most people reading this forum when I say:
We don't give a levetating POOP where the boards are made or what elitist company resides in the same country!"
I think I speak on behalf of a LOT of people when I say I will never buy any hardware from DCE or anything from ex-Phase5 people.
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