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[News] Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post.ANN.lu
Posted on 04-Dec-2002 13:31 GMT by Christian Kemp275 comments
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Eyetech replied to Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco's recent posting in the AmigaOne group at Yahoo. This is a repost under my name, since the original poster asked for the article to be removed. I don't agree with the view that this message should be kept off ANN since it is an interesting read and presents, in a way, the other side of the story; but after some consideration decided to respect the original poster's wish to have his posting and name removed, and opted to create a duplicate.
I'm afraid Buck has exceeded even his usual level of bullshit and innuendo on this one.

My take on this:

Our announcement of the G4 availability and pricing, and of the (solved) Articia problem at the WoA SE was not what he expected. Since then we have been innundated for dealership agreements from ex-Amiga dealers who have (and their customers have) good memories of the Amiga OS and a growing hatred of Windows. The polls, such as they, are show that the A1-XE G4 is by far the most popular PPC platform for the Amiga community and this must also have been a bit of a shock. (Is it also a coincidence that we've been the recipients of an intense, targeted virus campaign since then, I wonder?)

Meanwhile Hyperions work on PPCBoot and linux has allowed the Teron reference boards to get to a level where they can be usefully sold in the Linux Market. As most on this list will know we have the rights to distribute these boards in Europe and now Terrasoft do in the US. (We also have distribution rights on the Teron based designs for the Amiga marker worldwide). This has knackered Thendics plans for world domination of the PPC Linux market.

Reading between the lines it seems that they are prepared to drop MorphOS altogether if they can get their hands on OS4 to at least salvage something. Buck plans to do this by suing Amiga Inc (for what?) and bribing us to abandon the AmigaOne and Hyperion to port OS4 to the pegasos hardware . Sorry, thats not on. You can only have sensible business arrangements with people who are trustworthy and behave with integrity. There are plenty of instances (which are inappropriate to reveal here) where these principles have been completely abandoned on his side.

On their so-called relationship with MAI, we/hyperion have done more to help MAI get the Teron design to the linux market than ever bplan have, alltough I don't doubt that Gerald Carda made an important contribution to identifying the Articia bug - I've every respect for him as a hardware engineer.

As far as Thendic making their own boards is concerned thats a complete joke. Its a matter of public record that Thendic-France incorporated as a one-man company with the minimum 7500 euros of capital. Thendic, like us and MAI do not actually make anything themselves, manufacture is all subcontracted. In our case its to a Tiawanese specialist, in Thendic's its to DCE. Based on our past experience of quality assurance and after sales service from DCE I personally would never buy any DCE manufactured products for resale again.

Well you did ask

Alan

Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 51 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 04-Dec-2002 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
So there IS a problem Ben?
Dammy
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 52 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Lawd):
A very thoughtful post. But as I said earlier, I don't think that Alan wrote his post out of evil to purpously spread FUD. I think he feels the preassure building up around him. They are selling a weaker product to a higher price than the competition (Terra Soft), hence the FUDding/marketing tone in his post. He is trying to justify their strategy and he is trying to justify their more expensive Teron/A1. But BB also seems a little "under preassure", saying things like "we [we all/the market] are about to get crushed".
I believe that they would both (all three) be in a stronger position if they could manage to cooperate in some way.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 53 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Dec-2002 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
It is my understanding that the April chip is in fact nothing more than the revised Articia.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 54 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (David Scheibler):
>there won't be fixed version of the Articia before March 2003.
>Neither you nor Genesi can wait that long.
Why not - AmigaOne/OS4 product launch is at cebit time, so...
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 55 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 16:42 GMT
It's very simple people. The bug is not in Artica, it's in DCE.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 56 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 16:44 GMT
If even MAI can't reproduce the problem then it makes me doubt that there is some problems in bplan's own systems
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 57 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 04-Dec-2002 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Anonymous):
Nice FUD. Now how come Ben is even mentioning that the upgraded chip will be avaliable for AmigaOne? Hrm?
Dammy
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 58 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
>> I went for the 800Mhz G4
> As it now seems, the Pegasos G4-800 might be there earlier...
The Pegasos G4-800 might also be faster, if this is true:
"Oh yes, you want to buy a G4 A1? Wake up people!
Read the disclaimers on the YDL site. Do you
understand what needs to happen before this will?
There is a Pegasos G4 now. The question is not
how fast the processor *can* work, the issue is
how fast the processor *does* work!"
(From R&B's post)
Presumably, this has something to do with the April.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 59 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (dammy):
Just to prove that the A1 will always have the latest articia, and disprove in 1 sentence everything BB has said.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 60 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 04-Dec-2002 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Anonymous):
Who says that MAI can't reproduce it?
Please remember that the April chip has been developed by bplan AND MAI
together. And it was just finished 2 weeks ago...
BTW: If the April chip just was the new Articia S then this would be
good for Genesi as they are the IP holders of April.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 61 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Dec-2002 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (dammy):
There seem to have been a problem but this was sorted out in the meanwhile.
All of this is a matter of public record.
I have to add right away that we never encountered this problem even with our "unfixed" boards during all the time that we have been using Linux PPC on the hardware.
And we do use it all the time as we are the ones producing the Linux PPC for Terrasoft to sell with the Teron CX boards.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 62 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by tarbos on 04-Dec-2002 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Let me quote RS in comment no. 73 of amiga-news.de thread
"Statement von Thendic zu April, Mai und Zusammenarbeit in Deutsch":
|5) Der APRIL Chip fixed all diese Probleme und ist IP von bplan
|und hat nichts mit einem zukuenftigen Articia chip zu tun,
|von dem man auch nicht weiss, ob er keine Probleme hat.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 63 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Dec-2002 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anonymous):
> What if it was bPlan hardware problem and not MAI-problem at all ?
Then this would be unnecessary:
----
@All -- We will have an AmigaOne at the Show and we may be forced to demonstrate the problems to fully convince you. Please read the amiga.org post again. Thank you.
----
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 64 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 04-Dec-2002 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>There seem to have been a problem but this was sorted out in the meanwhile.
At least that's progress. First there was no problem (pure imagination by
bplan) (Redhouse). And now you at least say that there are/were those issues.
>I have to add right away that we never encountered this problem even with
>our "unfixed" boards during all the time that we have been using Linux PPC on
>the hardware.
The problem is not if you have encountered the problem but if there are such
issues. What will happen if Eyetech sells a few thousand boards to some Linux
users and then, when used as servers, they sometimes fail because of the bug?
Then the real problems start.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 65 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 04-Dec-2002 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Peter Gordon):
AmigaOne. Because even if everything goes tits up for Eyetech then at least there
is an alternative supplier of replacement parts and a future for the hardware
even beyond the Amiga market.
If Genesi goes titsup who is going to make and support Pegasos? It sounded to me from Bill Bucks letter that he was actually really worried that he would be "crushed" by the Mai sourced solutions on the market. His reduction in confidence in his own product has quite shaken me and convinced me that A1XE is the way forward.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 66 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Crumb on 04-Dec-2002 17:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (takemehomegrandma):
Ummm If I fit a SB Audigy I have the same (firewire) but with a better sound chip and all kind of optical inputs/outputs. But I don't need firewire and I don't need SPDIF. Onboard sound will be enough for me.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 67 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 04-Dec-2002 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (David Scheibler):
"then, when used as servers, they sometimes fail because of the bug?
Then the real problems start. "
I think you overstate the case, he has already talked about retrospective fixes and an upgrade path.
I also doubt that the Teron based hardware as an individual instance will be used as a SERIOUS server where data might be put at risk.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 68 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 04-Dec-2002 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (DaveW):
Terrasoft ist heavily promoting them as server hardware.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 69 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 04-Dec-2002 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Crumb):
If we're talking about the AmigaOne and Aos4.0. IIRC then there will be no drivers for the onboard audio, atleast not from Hyperion.
I might be wrong abotu this, but that's what I remember from earlier statements.
/Björn
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 70 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 04-Dec-2002 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (DaveW):
Read Dave's post and learn people. FUD does NOT pay - in the end it backlashes like in this particular case.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 71 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Crumb on 04-Dec-2002 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (David Scheibler):
Genesi has sold 800 buggy boards to Linux users, so don't worry, if bad publicity can be done it already has been done.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 72 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Lawd on 04-Dec-2002 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"... we are the ones producing the Linux PPC for Terrasoft to sell with the Teron CX boards."
Do you think you're BenH now? :-)
(Ben Herrenschmidt, PPC Linux and Darwin/MacOS hacker God - when you see a PPC kernel suffixed "-benh", you KNOW it's good)
Terrasoft's YDL is based on Red Hat's distro (RH7.2 for the latest YDL2.3 IIRC). You coming here and saying that providing a patch or two for some kmod is "producing Linux PPC" is a bit... well... rich. People like Tom Gall are mainly responsible for Linux running on the Terons. At Terrasoft, Dan Burcaw himself does a crapload of the hacking.
Now I'm starting to see why some people jokingly affix the "I'm important" bit to your name. Get over it. Mai and Terrasoft have never been dependent on Hyperion Entertainment.
"Producing Linux PPC." LOL.
Amiga - So the World may Laugh
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 73 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 04-Dec-2002 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Marktime):
That clears it up for me.
coldfire
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 74 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Björn Hagström):
I want one of this Mobos with MOS :)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 75 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Dec-2002 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Lawd):
You're an idiot.
We've been working with Tom Gall from IBM for ages now.
I can assure you that Hyperion & Co were indeed contracted by Mai and Eyetech to have Linux PPC SuSe running on the Teron CX/PX/A1.
This development is being spear-headed by Hans-Joerg Frieden of Hyperion in conjunction with several other valuable developers with A1 machines.
Check your facts please.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 76 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Dec-2002 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Lawd):
>Get over it. Mai and Terrasoft have never been dependent on Hyperion >Entertainment.
Strange. Must have been a different Hyperion with whom Mai contracted for their firmware and their Linux distribution.
MOS - reality distortion all the way
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 77 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 04-Dec-2002 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"You're an idiot."
No need to go there Ben ... people will just take comments like that and stuff it down your throat every time you show up here ...
Though I can see why some comments here would get you on the nerves.
/Björn
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 78 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 04-Dec-2002 17:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (takemehomegrandma):
So DCE has now stopped making shitty hardware and started to make quality boards?
coldfire
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 79 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 04-Dec-2002 17:25 GMT
>(Is it also a coincidence that we've been the recipients of an intense,
> targeted virus campaign since then, I wonder?)
who gains in doing this _I_ wonder ? I wonder how many A1 orders got wiped
from their email because of this..
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 80 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 04-Dec-2002 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I'm wondering, did Hyperion contact them first about fixing PPCBoot or was it them contact Hyperion first?
Dammy
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 81 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Lawd on 04-Dec-2002 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (DaveW):
"It sounded to me from Bill Bucks letter that he was actually really worried that he would be "crushed" by the Mai sourced solutions on the market. His reduction in confidence in his own product has quite shaken me and convinced me that A1XE is the way forward."
I think you misread. When talking about the AmigaOS/MorphOS market compared to the Linux market, he said "We are about to be crushed [unless we move forward, cooperate, get competent leadership yadayada whatever]". He wasn't talking about individual motherboards, both Pegasoses and the Teron PX's you talk about run Linux, so there's no crushing going on there. The Pegasos board can compete very well on the exact same Linux market as the Terons, in addition to what it's originally made for. The more hardware and vendors the merrier.
Not any one piece of hardware is "the way forward" (and absolutely not when it's only allowed to be used with your favorite OS if it's sold by a particular distributor). The Amiga is dead. Both MorphOS and AmigaOS must run on as much hardware as they possibly can. That's even more important for AmigaOS, as it's solely dependent on 3rd party hardware.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 82 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (DaveW):
"I also doubt that the Teron based hardware as an individual instance will be used as a SERIOUS server where data might be put at risk. "
That's one of the things it's marketed as. Inguard even sells it as the "Dragon server" (or was it Phoenix?). Then there's the "MicroServer-S", which is also based on the Articia S.
If you by "serious" server means medical, nuclear and military applications et c., then you're of course right. But that's the big iron market.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 83 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 04-Dec-2002 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Anonymous):
A (very) brief discussion was made on TeamONE ML about a U1 that Terra' mentioned.
http://www.thenostromo.cx/archives/teamone/2002-12/msg00007.html
Dammy
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 84 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 04-Dec-2002 17:58 GMT
So who I'd better trust to know if the articia has severe bugs ?
- Ben Hermans, Hyperion, Lawyer who already stated that there were no bug weeks ago.
- Alan Redhouse, Eyetech, Important Amiga reseller.
- Gerald Carda, Bplan, Hardware engineer that already discovered an important bug in the Articia.
Whatever, we will know the truth soon or later.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 85 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Lawd on 04-Dec-2002 18:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"You're an idiot. "
Sigh.
"We've been working with Tom Gall from IBM for ages now."
Yeah, I know, it's pretty unavoidable when doing anything on PPC Linux... ;-) Where did I say that you weren't?
"I can assure you that Hyperion & Co were indeed contracted by Mai and Eyetech to have Linux PPC SuSe running on the Teron CX/PX/A1."
Yes, and? Did I say you weren't? Please point out where I said you weren't.
I said you weren't "producing Linux PPC", patching drivers from one distro to another is not "producing Linux PPC for Terrasoft".
BTW, I can't seem to find any Hyperion-contributed patches in any sources? The PPCBoot/U-boot CVS is also remarkably devoid of contributions from Hyperion. If you're "producing Linux PPC", maybe you should share the GPLed code to a grateful Linux community to ponder over and improve.
"This development is being spear-headed by Hans-Joerg Frieden of Hyperion in conjunction with several other valuable developers with A1 machines."
Oooh, it's "spear-headed"! Is that better or worse than "empowered" or "recontextualized"? ;-) "Spear-headed" is something I'd expect to find in an "executive update". Please.
Now, where did I say that HJF didn't do whatever he does? Other developers with "AmigaOne" machines? That's a laugh! (Thinking of clueless luser freaks who bought a "developer" Teron CX like "anarchic_teapot") You mean Ole-Egil Hvitmyren, right? ;-)
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 86 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 04-Dec-2002 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Lawd):
So you misunderstood what he meant and instead of asking you decided to go offensive about it. Kewl dude.
/Björn
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 87 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 18:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben Hermans
"And we do use it all the time as we are the ones producing the Linux PPC for Terrasoft to sell with the Teron CX boards."
Good god, this story gets more bizarre by the moment! :)
Can anyone explain exactly what the bug(s) are?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 88 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Lawd on 04-Dec-2002 18:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
">Get over it. Mai and Terrasoft have never been dependent on Hyperion >Entertainment.
Strange. Must have been a different Hyperion with whom Mai contracted for their firmware and their Linux distribution. "
Why don't you read what you reply to? I said that Mai and Terrasoft have never been dependent on you. Not that you weren't contracted to patch PPCBoot.
What Linux distro does Mai publish?
"MOS - reality distortion all the way"
Is that metal oxide semiconductor or this MorphOS I've heard so much about? WTF would that have to do with me or what I post?
To me that has always seemed like a convenient invective to use in between clueless fanatics, "the vast MOS conspiracy", "you don't agree with the latest crap from ainc, so you must be a MOS follower" and so on. Interesting that you use it too.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 89 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (DaveW):
@DaveW
"AmigaOne. Because even if everything goes tits up for Eyetech then at least there is an alternative supplier of replacement parts and a future for the hardware even beyond the Amiga market."
This is getting confusing. I was under the impression that the two boards are not identical given modications for anti-piracy measures. Is this not the case? Or is it simply a matter of a BIOS upgrade?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 90 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 04-Dec-2002 18:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Lawd):
Apart from your very agressive tone which is totally uncalled for, let me rephrase.
We were contracted by Mai to adapt the current state of Linux PPC to the Teron CX/PX/A1 hardware.
Tom Gall was not involved in this work, most of which was in fact carried out by Hans-Joerg Frieden.
The same work will be used by Terrasoft as the foundation the YDL distribution they are doing.
If you thought I was claiming we wrote Linux PPC, you are even more of an idiot than I assumed.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 91 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Dec-2002 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Lawd):
>Why don't you read what you reply to? I said that Mai and Terrasoft have never
>been dependent on you. Not that you weren't contracted to patch PPCBoot.
Stop spreading LIES about sh*t you are clueless about. You clearly look like an IDIOT when you open your mouth and rotten garbage falls out. Patch PPCBoot only? You really are clueless and ingorant. Ignorance is fine, no one knows everything. Stupidity is when an ignorant person open their mouth as if they were an expert.
STFU already!
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 92 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 04-Dec-2002 18:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben
"I have to add right away that we never encountered this problem even with our "unfixed" boards during all the time that we have been using Linux PPC on the hardware. "
Something sounds curious for me:
So you say that you did not encounter the bug (like you already told here).
So why Eyetech has announced that they sell a fixed version ?
Maybe there was really a bug. Maybe there is really another annoying bug now ?
Why would Bplan fail to find another bug(s) when they already found, and fixed the first one ?
I think once someone has found a bug he can reveal it.
When someone did not found (yet) this (or another) bug I think he should not say "No it is not true there is no bug"
Maybe the point would be to know what are the bugs and how severe they are. But now that everyone is fighting I doubt Bplan will fix it for Eyetech for free.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 93 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 04-Dec-2002 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Anonymous):
Jeez, someone is AWEFULLY cranky this afternoon...
Dammy
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 94 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Mellor on 04-Dec-2002 18:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (vortexau):
vortexau said:
"Thanks for the TEXT - I've never been able to read from a 'Yahoo-groups' link with AWeb."
Odd - I have this problem too! AWeb says that it can not display messages because my browser is not accepting cookies.
Yet cookies are set to Always Use, and no other site has a problem! Do you have the same problem?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 95 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 04-Dec-2002 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (takemehomegrandma):
@takemehomegrandma
> They are selling a weaker product to a higher price than the competition
> (Terra Soft), hence the FUDding/marketing tone in his post
A weaker product? That's quite some assertion. I hope you have some way of backing that up.
IMO, if anyone has a weaker product, it's Terrasoft, for the simple reason that they're selling over the internet only AFAIK, and therefore the after-sales service possibly won't be as good. Note the "possibly". Also, they didn't develop the firmware or patch the kernel (we're talking Lunix here). Not to mention that these boards cannot run AOS4...
I think they'll make very nice Linux servers, though.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 96 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 04-Dec-2002 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Lawd):
"Terrasoft's YDL is based on Red Hat's distro (RH7.2 for the latest YDL2.3 IIRC). You coming here and saying that providing a patch or two for some kmod is "producing Linux PPC" is a bit... well... rich. People like Tom Gall are mainly responsible for Linux running on the Terons. At Terrasoft, Dan Burcaw himself does a crapload of the hacking. "
ROTFL Tom Gall and company have helped the AmigaOne project a lot, but it is indeed Hyperion and the A1 dev team that are doing the vast bulk of the slog with PPCBoot and the Linux.
Strange as it may seem, they're
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 97 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 04-Dec-2002 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (David Scheibler):
"The problem is not if you have encountered the problem but if there are such
issues. What will happen if Eyetech sells a few thousand boards to some Linux
users and then, when used as servers, they sometimes fail because of the bug?
Then the real problems start. "
The A4000 had obscure hardware problems when it was first released,
but it all got sorted out.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 98 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 04-Dec-2002 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (anarchic_teapot):
"IMO, if anyone has a weaker product, it's Terrasoft, for the simple reason that they're selling over the
internet only AFAIK, and therefore the after-sales service possibly won't be as good. Note the "possibly".
Also, they didn't develop the firmware or patch the kernel (we're talking Lunix here). Not to mention that
these boards cannot run AOS4...
I think they'll make very nice Linux servers, though."
What would make them preferable to x86 based Linux servers?
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 99 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 04-Dec-2002 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Don Cox):
one example - the G3 is fanless (those that I have seen). that would make it suitable for environments where there are alot of dust in the air.. like a factory that produces paper. There are a few others in this area too, but not extremely many.
I manage servers for a living, and there's not alot of them that needs raw cpu power. Most just needs to be up and provide the service they are there for.
Eyetech Reply to BBRV open post. : Comment 100 of 275ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 04-Dec-2002 19:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (takemehomegrandma):
>I think he feels the preassure building up around him
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