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[Rant] Good old times, where are thou?ANN.lu
Posted on 05-Dec-2002 15:03 GMT by A Reminder52 comments
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Okay, so now everyone has got his/her very own opinion about all the mess occuring in the Amiga community nowadays (AmigaOS4 vs MorphOS1, AmigaInc/Eyetech/Hyperion vs Thendic/bplan, Bernie vs Harald/H&P, hackers/users/developers/dealers vs Elbox... urgh... who'll be the next??). Every fscking single day there's a new reason that tend to split us all, in a sort of all-against-all war ("I'm on a mission/I made my decision/To lead a path of self destruction" just like the Green Day sung... why can't everyone sit down, relax, bury the hatchet and try to be more constructive, d'oh).
But what if I don't wanna join the rat race? Yeh, I'm very happy with my good ol' hw (Blizz/Cyber+PPC/Vision) and I only wanna update my sw. So, when/where will I be able to buy the new AmigaOS and/or MorphOS and how much will they cost?
When will an official list of features be made available and definitive so that I can choose which one fits my needs the most?
Good old times, where are thou? : Comment 1 of 52ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 05-Dec-2002 14:07 GMT
Ohhhh fight over me do!
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Posted by Mirror on 05-Dec-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (DaveW):
This will start it off again if nothing else will.
Asking for a list of feature from both sides of the fence.
TUT TUT
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Posted by dammy on 05-Dec-2002 14:36 GMT
I'd say the War is, for the most part, over. IMO, the reasons why we are seeing the small fry doing such unethical/selfish actions is there has been a vaccum of leadership within our shrivelling community. I applaud community action against those companies, like TeamAmiga's boycott of retailers who continue to sell Bernie's IP without his permission. Companies must be taught that the community will not forgive them screwing the little guy, be it over RDB issues, or IP issues.
As for the bigger front, I believe we are going to see more mud slinging campaigns as the final mop up operation begins this month. Actually, during this mop up phase, we are probably going to see the worst mud slinging as the veteran zealots fight to keep their fanatsy world from facing a very stark reality.
Dammy
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (dammy):
> we are probably going to see the worst mud slinging as the veteran zealots
>fight to keep their fanatsy world from facing a very stark reality.
Huh? I thought you were a MOS fanatic dammy? Why you speaking against your own buddies? Have you really opened your eyes? Welcome home dammy! Welcome home!
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Posted by marktime on 05-Dec-2002 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (dammy):
you know it amazes me how people invent things in a vacuum...like the recent defense of dealers with the 'maybe the dealer has unsold copies in inventory'...its laughable.
I am sure everyone has some unsold inventory, and also that it is very minimal, dealers DO NOT stock up in this market. They would rather run out, than have too much.
Other things, like, the community is shrinking...wow it sure has shrunk over the years, but you know kids who never had an amiga when they were popular, get them now and join the retro scene. It is filling some kind of need in the marketplace. I don't know if the community is still shrinking, it is changing...perhaps still losing talent. But not shrinking.
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Posted by MonkeyOS on 05-Dec-2002 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (marktime):
>'maybe the dealer has unsold copies in inventory'...its laughable
Yeah. Like I have 100,000 illegal copies of WinXp. I know they are illegal bootleg copies because Microsoft informed me. I should have known because they are CDRs with "WinXP" handwriteen in marker. But hot damn, I am going to keep selling these illegal copies because it feels good and dammy told me it's ok. Microsoft will just have to understand.
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Posted by dammy on 05-Dec-2002 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
No Mr.Gutless, I'm not a MOS fanatic. Linux, well, grumble grumble, maybe you have a point. ;) The war is over though. It's time we all got along for the sake of our community. If Mike and Luca can stop the banter, I'll gladly join them in a unified community.
BTW, why can't you use your nick, or are you too ashamed to have your nick associated with the same ISP that Timmy uses?
Dammy
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Posted by Leo on 05-Dec-2002 17:04 GMT
Hi,
People that don't wanna (didn't wanted) to join the race will simply leave
(have left) the Amiga...
(When I say Amiga, I mean everything related to Amiga: Amiga, MorphOS, AOne, Pegasos...)
If instead of sueing each others AND laughing at Windows (minor) bugs, they were cooperating, I'm pretty sure we ("we"=Amiga users) would have a lot more than a buggy articia equipped computer running an Alpha old OS to play with...
=> Amiga companies keep saying that Microsoft is killing every competitor...
My feeling is that Amiga companies don't need M$ to kill the Amiga... <=
@+,
Leo.
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Posted by Nicholoas Blachford on 05-Dec-2002 17:58 GMT
>When will an official list of features be made available and
>definitive so that I can choose which one fits my needs the most?
There is a very long and detailed features list which is in the process of being cleaned up. Once it's been cleared for accuracy it'll be put up on line. I expect next week sometime.
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Dec-2002 18:20 GMT
OS4 doesn't have a final feature list (don't repost that list of buzzwords with PPC in front of them, what a waste of space) because it has yet to boot. In a few months when the real OS comes up (rather than some monitor program stuck together with duct tape) they can start figuring out what will actually be possible. Today they can't give a useful answer to any of the following questions:
Which 68K apps will / won't run?
Which existing PPC apps will / won't run?
What APIs will be present in addition to OS 3.9?
What utilities are present as standard (e.g. scripting language - maybe Python? maybe some form of Rexx? maybe? no-one knows)
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Posted by Santa Claus on 05-Dec-2002 18:21 GMT
All I WANT to do is deliver MANY Amiga One Motherboards/systems in time for Christmas...
Ho Ho HO
Santa Claus
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Posted by CRL on 05-Dec-2002 18:22 GMT
I've been lurking about these forums for several years, and the nastyness has really peaked several times in the last few months. I think I see a pattern tho- when the developers are getting into their final frenzy of pulling their packages together, enough to make an announcement, there is a period of low information flow. Into that silence creeps the mud, paranoid fantasies, raging flames, etc. So, I am telling myself that the latest round of bitchyness is the storm before a really nice calm with interesting products. I'm an amigan, I,m a cockeyed optomist, but I repeat myself.
CRL
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 05-Dec-2002 18:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Actually we can give an answer to all those questions already.
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Posted by reflect on 05-Dec-2002 18:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
if you say "A", please say "B" and by all means.. go on with "C" too..
Will this featurelist be presented soon, or do we have to wait until release?
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Posted by reflect on 05-Dec-2002 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
And, this list.. how did you test? with what hardware, exactly? :)
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Posted by gz on 05-Dec-2002 20:14 GMT
IMO there even would'nt be any war (at least not of this magnitude) unless the companies behind the products would'nt use dubious hit and run tactics on the other, smearing names with accusations without ever providing LEGAL evidence, just hearsay like:"We have this and that evidence, we can show it to anyone but you'll have to come and get it from us, and all you really can do is take our word for it coz we're the ones telling the absolute truth" or "We will sue everybody but not just yet")
All the name calling coming from Thendic,Hyperion,Eyetech,Elbox etc. Has fueled the fire to such standards it no longer can be contained because 90% of the community has some sort of an opinion of who is right and who is the 'traitor'/liar. That is exactly why I blame the companies involved for all of this. I don't care if the parties involved clim they are just protecting the image of their company by attacking the other with personal insults and surprise, surprise, commercial breaks pro their own products in between their public rantings, because that is just an utter excuse for trying to convert as many people from the other or undecided camp to their own.
Surprisingly Amiga Inc. have been the least noisiest one lately and in that sense I find myself even giving them some sort of credit for it.
To all the conpanies on the market: Put up! Shut up! And FINALLY deliver what you all have been touting for and let the user decide the way to go!
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Posted by Severin on 05-Dec-2002 22:29 GMT
Good old times? yeah, bring back Atari, then we'd have a common enemy and stop
fighting amoungst ourselves...
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Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 22:50 GMT
Can't wait for Aachen...
Crow eating ceremony, or crow eating ceremony?
Who will be handing out cigars, and who will be sticking fingers in their ears and impersonate people suffering Tourette syndrome?
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Posted by 3seas on 05-Dec-2002 23:11 GMT
Who was it that said "Can't we all just get along?"..... Oh yeah... a criminal...
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Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 23:24 GMT
He wasn't a career criminal. He just got drunk one nught and cut off a few parking meters.
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Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 23:24 GMT
shit...I'm thinking of the wrong quote...you can light me up now...
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Posted by anonymous on 06-Dec-2002 01:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (gz):
Fair statement. I suspect that a few months down the road that people will remember not the bollocks being posted to incite, such as we have seen, but rather that which is real, and less so, that which is not.
The entire debacle has been so patently obvious that it is laughable. Anarchism, without basis is just plain idiotic.
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Posted by ilwrath on 06-Dec-2002 03:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (MonkeyOS):
"Yeah. Like I have 100,000 illegal copies of WinXp. I know they are illegal bootleg copies because Microsoft informed me. I should have known because they are CDRs with "WinXP" handwriteen in marker. But hot damn, I am going to keep selling these illegal copies because it feels good and dammy told me it's ok. Microsoft will just have to understand."
No, it's more like Gates and Ballmer getting in a fight. Gates leaves Microsoft, and vendors are left with stacks of unsold Windows CDs (which were official last week). Gates says these CDs are no longer licensed and should NOT be sold. Microsoft and Ballmer say everything's cool, keep sellin' em!
Who do you believe? Who's advice do you follow? Stop selling, and take a financial hit? Keep selling and take a publicity hit? Which'll it be?
Not so cut-and-dried, is it? Remember... Harald/H&P still claim the product is legal.... And Amiga Inc. hasn't made a stand, one way, or the other....
Personally, I believe Bernie, and think Harald and H&P are morally bankrupt arse-holes, but I don't hold anything against dealers still selling product.
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Posted by Kal-L on 06-Dec-2002 08:10 GMT
"And the battle died down, there being nobody left to carry on the fight"
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Posted by Jon on 06-Dec-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Kal-L):
"We won't live to fight another day" (Iron Maiden: The Trooper)
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Posted by gz on 06-Dec-2002 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Well why don't you answer the guy's questions then in plain english and without marketing speech in the benefit of your product? Because I for one am certainly interested to know the answers as a very potential buyer for os4.
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Posted by gz on 06-Dec-2002 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Jon):
:) Great song that one is!
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Posted by Atheist2 on 06-Dec-2002 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Santa Claus):
Hey Santa, spam the microsoft message boards.
Amiga! Everywhere!
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Posted by Hagge on 06-Dec-2002 13:38 GMT
There is a solution on all wars, the best one will probably be something like:
get a new athlon system and install netbsd, make it they way you want it and be happy.
It's cheap, it's personal, it works, it exists, it's good, ...
amigaos still rules thought, maybe amiga should concentrate on creating a new gui for unix systems with it's own way of handling programs or something. I guess it's not a big chance for success, but it can't be in an alternative desktop os either. They have my best whishes thought, and i might still get an amigaone system, not right now but then i have a little more money then i need anyway.
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Posted by dammy on 06-Dec-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Hagge):
Guess I wasn't the only one who wasn't upset when Gate/Amiga announced it was going to use the Linux Kernel and put an Amiga GUI on top of it. Oh well, Enlightenment 17 is getting there...
Dammy
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Dec-2002 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
So why didn't you then?
Go on, give us the answer. You said you can, so what are the answers Ben?
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Posted by coldfire on 06-Dec-2002 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (MonkeyOS):
They say piracy killed the Amiga.....maybe we could crack all of MS's crap and distribute it and kill Microshit. Where's Digital Corruption when ya need 'em?! :)
coldfire
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 06-Dec-2002 21:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mirror):
Well, I don't develop for either party, but these are the features thus-far isolated from the various sources about each OS, let's start with AOS4/A1 first:
AmigaOS4:
ExecSG, adding things like memory protection and 68k emulation/AGA emulation to the core system. Similar approach to how MacOS moved to PowerPC back in the 90's.
Alpha-blended menus
Support for Picasso96 (and the cards thereof)
Still has 68k libraries
AmigaONE:
Artica-S northbridge w/ VIA686b southbridge (don't use a Soundblaster card folks)
Soldiered-on G3 CPU or G4 CPU
Known memory problems, can only use registered sDRAM from key suppliers.
Built-in PS/2, serial, parallell, and floppy controllers
4 USB ports, 10/100 ethernet, AC97 sound and MC97 modem
2 IDE ports for up to 4 drives
AGP 2x, one slot
4 PCI slots, 66Mhz 32-bit.
custom made BIOS
now, for the other side:
MorphOS
New kernel, called Quark. Microkernel, offering distributed computing. Runs Amiga software by using a legacy-box, called A-Box. Similar in approach to OS/2 or MacOS X.
PPC-native AmigaOS library replacements, offering about 90% compatability.
Older project, has been in beta for over 2 years.
Memory protection likely, unknown if availible for legacy apps.
68k emulator for legacy programs, no hardware emulation.
Uses CyberGFX for video support
Uses AHI for audio support
Includes MUI
Includes an Arexx replacement
Has a larger known software library
Pegasos:
Artica-S chipset w/ bug fix classified as "April" along with a VIA VT8231 southbridge.
CPU card, initially offering a G3 CPU but with future-support for the 74xx series of G4 CPU's.
Can only use registered sDRAM DIMM's.
Built-in PS/2, serial, parallell and floppy controllers
4 USB ports, Firewire, IRDA, ATA100
Built-in 56k modem
Built-in Sigmatel STAC 9766 sound chip
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 06-Dec-2002 21:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Nathaniel Downes):
Ok, some corrections:
MorphOS doesn't have an Arexx replacement
Pegasos can use some unregistered RAM
Some unverified sources also claim that the A1's PCI busses are 33Mhz and lacks the AC97 and MC97, but as said, this is nverified.
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Posted by Hagge on 06-Dec-2002 22:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (dammy):
Actually i didn't liked the linux announcement. It had not much to do with linux beeing bad and amigaos beeing better thought, it was just that i thought QNX would be the best solution. Still do.
A new OS is the way to go, QNX Neutrino is fast and with a few Amiga extras it would have rocked =/
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Posted by Lawd on 07-Dec-2002 00:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Nathaniel Downes):
> MorphOS doesn't have an Arexx replacement
Does/will MorphOS not have *any* IPC implementation?
> Some unverified sources also claim that the A1's PCI busses are 33Mhz and lacks
> the AC97 and MC97,
Only one expansion bus of the Teron CX (and the Teron PX ("AmigaOne XE") as well?) is 66MHz, and that bus is shared by that one PCI slot and the AGP slot.
AFAIK, unless you use a 66MHz PCI card (some expensive SCSI/RAID controllers, gigabit ethernet adapters and other Very High Speed Stuff), then the AGP slot will be unusable, as a common 33MHz PCI card would clock down the bus so that it no longer follows AGP specs. This is according to the specs on Mai's site.
The AC/MC97 is in the southbridge, but without an AMR card they don't do much good.
Something I wonder about the Pegasos board is what's supposed to go into that riser slot in-line with PCI slot 1?
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Posted by Lawd on 07-Dec-2002 00:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Lawd):
Hm, I re-read my reply and I see that it could be misinterpreted. A 33 MHz PCI card in the PCI slots of bus 1 will of course not affect the slots of the shared PCI/AGP bus 0.
Bus 0 (AGP and PCI slot 1): an AGP card and a 66 MHz PCI card, but NOT an AGP and a 33 MHz PCI card.
Bus 1 (PCI slots 2-4): 33 MHz PCI cards.
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Posted by JoannaK on 07-Dec-2002 05:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Nathaniel Downes):
Couple corrections...
>AmigaOS4:
>ExecSG, adding things like memory protection and 68k emulation/AGA emulation to
AmigaOS4 does not have any chipset emulation, Only JIT-68k (petunia).. it should be possible to run UAE atop of it, like it's possible on MOS today.
> Still has 68k libraries
Question remains open. There's no firm date announced for deliveries, so there's no way of knowing what will be inclded in NativePPC.
> AmigaONE:
>Soldiered-on G3 CPU or G4 CPU
This depends on model.. Less expensive (se) has 600Mhz G3 directly soldered, expensive ones have some kind of connector to CPU modules (G3/G4?)
> Known memory problems, can only use registered sDRAM from key suppliers.
Have not heard enough.. I assume this will be public after real production and sales one day begins..
> AC97 sound and MC97 modem
SE: couple copper traces from South bridge to AMR slot. No real hardware.
XE: Is supposed to have working Audio on board, but no modem.
> 4 PCI slots, 66Mhz 32-bit.
3 slots on one bus are 33MHZ/32bit.
One 66MHZ slot shares same bus as AGP, so be careful with it.
> custom made BIOS
With no user expandability ...
> MorphOS
>New kernel, called Quark. Microkernel, offering distributed computing. Runs >Amiga software by using a legacy-box, called A-Box. Similar in approach to OS/2 >or MacOS X.
That distribute part I'm not so sure. But It may well be there.
> PPC-native AmigaOS library replacements, offering about 90% compatability.
Anythign retargettable (AHI / Gfx libs) stuff ought to work.. Don't support HW bashing programs.
>68k emulator for legacy programs, no hardware emulation.
Jit-compiling 68k emulator is part of OS.
UAEMUI is known to work. With usual UAE emulation limitations (like Aga support)
> Includes MUI
I think there is native PPC-port of it...
> Includes an Arexx replacement
Not seen one yet.. Though heard rumours.
>Pegasos:
>Artica-S chipset w/ bug fix classified as "April" along with a VIA VT8231 >southbridge.
These fixes and ArticaS-bugs need more details on both boards.
> Can only use registered sDRAM DIMM's.
I would assume this Dimm usability more or less same as with Aone.. But there can be small issues consernign different board layouts etc
You have missed Built-in ethernet (10/100 mbit)
> Built-in 56k modem
Not certain.. this one has been quite debatable.. But I expect we hear more soon.
> Built-in Sigmatel STAC 9766 sound chip
Should have full AHI support on MOS
Pegasos has OF (OpenFirmware) boor flash with user access and expandability.
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Posted by JoannaK on 07-Dec-2002 05:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Lawd):
" > MorphOS doesn't have an Arexx replacement
Does/will MorphOS not have *any* IPC implementation?
"
It runs existing 68K Arexx quite fine (and a lot faster than on 68k amiga). Replacement is most likely matter of time... Likevice on OS4, first releases are announced to containf old 68k Arexx on CD.
Of there potential replacements.. OS4 people are (accordign their coders on OS4-list) considering moving to Python for future OS:es. On MOS I have not heard anythign certain... For a while at least both will use old arexx in 68k-emulation.
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 07-Dec-2002 09:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (JoannaK):
Hmm, where does this 68k arexx come from then?
/Björn
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Posted by Spencer on 07-Dec-2002 10:29 GMT
RIGHT!
All I want is an Amiga to replace my PC, I don't give a flying fcuk about all these little fcuking wnakers, AmigaInc/Eyetech/Hyperion/Thendic/bplan/Harald/H&P, I want OS4 etc to work on what ever hard where is available Amiga1/Pegosos/other ppcb, I want this hardware to be reliable and have warranty (dont want D.C.E. type Shit),
And I can safely speak for the entire amiga community when I say the following;-
IF ALL THOSE WNAKERS DONT WAKE UP, THERE WILL BE NO FCUKING MARKET TO SELL THEIR SHIT TOO, AND RIGHT NOW I HAVE NO INCLINATION TO BUY ANYTHING AMIGA YOU FCUKING STUPID SMALL MINDED LITTLE PRCIKS!!!
ie. stop arguing, get it sorted and soon!
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Posted by JoannaK on 07-Dec-2002 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Björn Hagström):
Well.. Where ever those come to people since C-died. I purchase my arexx from author well vefore he was deceived by Amiga people. At least I have legal copy? Have you?
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 07-Dec-2002 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Björn Hagström):
Since Commodore didn't even own ARexx, if it is included one can easily surmise either it was a clone (several of which are known to exist) or was purchased directly from the ARexx author. I'd ask Amiga where the Arexx for AOS4 came from as well, if it is included.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Dec-2002 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Nicholoas Blachford):
> There is a very long and detailed features list which is in the process of being cleaned up. Once it's been cleared for accuracy it'll be put up on line. I expect next week sometime.
Considering youre gonna start consumer sales this weekend this about damn time.
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 07-Dec-2002 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (JoannaK):
So you don't know. Ok.
/Björn
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Posted by Björn Hagström on 07-Dec-2002 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Nathaniel Downes):
If it's a clone, then I don't see why it would be 68k. But okey, so you don't know either. Fair enough. Does anyone know here?
/Björn
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 07-Dec-2002 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (JoannaK):
Thanks for some of the clarifications. I went to the A1 website, and they only had information on the board you call SE.
MOS is supposed to have the distributed IPC model, similar to QNX, within Quark. This was stated in a review of MOS posted on ann a few weeks ago.
I also found out that the Pegasos can support unregistered DIMM's, not all of them however. There appears to be a failure with 50% of the unregistered DIMMs tried. but, no failure using registered RAM is known, unlike the reports coming in about the A1. (note, this might be the very bug that has been addressed in the first patch, so the A1 is likely up-to-snuff now w/o issues on memory. I do hope this is the case)
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 07-Dec-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (JoannaK):
With Quark being a microkernel (compared to AOS4 using an exec-library approach, same as the old AmigaOS) there has to be an IPC system of some sort included for the system to even work. It might, however, not include a user-accessable form. That's the key question here. AOS, also contained an IPC, even tho it is not required by the system architecture, but it was under-utilized till someone created ARexx for AOS 1.2. If MOS doesn't include one initially, I know a good coder that would jump on the opportunity.
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Posted by JoannaK on 07-Dec-2002 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Nathaniel Downes):
I'm not having either computer nor either OS you are comparing one that table so I can't go on so deep details. BUT there has to be some kind of IPC on MOS/Abox cause existing programs keep on working (including Arexx 68k), so there must be working semaphores messags etc... I whould assume there are also some quark level stuff but that's not my specialy (nor seen docs of it).
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Posted by JoannaK on 07-Dec-2002 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Nathaniel Downes):
One more thing.. Whatever you do, don't trust AmigaInc site for accurate info. They have not updated their A-one pages in years so they are having alot's of misinformation there. There's link t Eyetech's site and eve it too contains contradicting information (like Predense/absense of modem etc.) it still is more accurate.
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