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Posted on 05-Dec-2002 18:53 GMT by Sjoerd de Vries146 comments
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Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 1 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 05-Dec-2002 18:45 GMT
Aaa-ha! So, now we know how it will be applied, now the question is what they have put in those CPLDs, like if there are any extra goodies besides the Articia bugfixes.
I wonder if these "sandwiched" PCBs will fit unaltered on, say, a Teron board.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 2 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 05-Dec-2002 18:49 GMT
So its less of a "chip" and more of a bodge :(.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 3 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 05-Dec-2002 18:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Seehund):
they probably will, hense the wordgame 'there is no mai without april' :)
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 4 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Neil Thomas on 05-Dec-2002 18:56 GMT
In the industry is known as an interposer.
The extra chips are Lattice Vantis CPLD's (Complex Programmable Logic Devices). Whow knows what the code does?
Not sure why they've use two devices on the board, instead of one. It may be an issue that one can get more IO pins from using two smaller packages than one large on. This is certainly the case for PQFP ones like that shown, but a BGA package may be more appropriate in this case.
Where I work, we call these thingies surfboards...
Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 5 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Dec-2002 20:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Neil Thomas):
> Not sure why they've use two devices on the board, instead of one.
Bugfix 1, and Bugfix 2.
;-)
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 6 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Neil Thomas on 05-Dec-2002 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (takemehomegrandma):
Well, one chip would hold bug fix three, four and five too! Having said that, so would two CPLD's - but that's not my point!!!!
Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 7 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 05-Dec-2002 21:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Neil Thomas):
You missed the blinking smiley, eh? :-)
Anyway, I wonder what 'extras' there will be in those chips.
"We finally solved all this a week and a half ago. Plus, we have added a couple of other features that are better accomplished in hardware than software (and don't believe a few lines of code will make the first patch work)."
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 8 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Neil Thomas on 05-Dec-2002 21:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (takemehomegrandma):
No, no I didn't miss off any smiley.
I doubt the extra features are of too much use to anyone other than an OS programmer. It may, for example have different PCI arbitration algorithms or power management settings.
Adding to a chip in this fasion is not going to add anything to performance above the designed spec or add to the feature set.
Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 9 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 05-Dec-2002 22:07 GMT
"Not sure why they've use two devices on the board, instead of one."
Just a wild guess, but looking at a Pegasos motherboard suggests an
explanation: This way, it will fit without the need to move any other
components on the motherboard.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 10 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 22:54 GMT
I find this difficult to masturbate to.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 11 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 05-Dec-2002 22:56 GMT
...but not impossible
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 12 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 05-Dec-2002 23:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (strobe):
That is definitely too much information.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 13 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 06-Dec-2002 00:24 GMT
I see all those functions didn't fit into the chip...
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 14 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 06-Dec-2002 00:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (strobe):
Finally! a sense of humour! well done strobe (i guess *:] ) That was, if nothing else, funny.
Lets not forget, despite the protestations of clearly biased arguments, this is still an Amiga community site. Fun, games, silliness. Not always an attack or argument.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 15 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Dec-2002 01:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (strobe):
:-)
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 16 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 06-Dec-2002 03:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Neil Thomas):
There are couple reasons for them to use 2 small chips instead of single bigger one.
- They are more easily placed to board that has to fit on existing motherboards
- Smaller chips are usually faster (talking about 2.5ns graded chip here)
- 2 Smaller chips are way cheaper then getting single BIG One and easier to find decent quantities on short notice.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 17 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 06-Dec-2002 05:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Neil Thomas):
[Qoute]
Well, one chip would hold bug fix three, four and five too! Having said that, so would two CPLD's - but that's not my point!!!!
Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
[/Quote]
You are wrong ;O)
There are two different: LC4032V is an CPLD
iM4A3-64 is a socket adaptor
Best regards,
Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark], AKA hnl_dk
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 18 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mirror on 06-Dec-2002 05:39 GMT
Definitly dont want a Pegasoz now....
Especially if one of those makes it on to the board.... Talk about anti static precautions.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 19 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Dec-2002 05:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Seehund):
Due to bplan's clever design it won't fit Teron/AmigaOne unaltered - a capacitor
is in its way. ;-)
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 20 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 06-Dec-2002 06:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
If I were in a conspiracy-theory mood I'd say this was done on purpose...
(this of course, ignores the fact that removing the old Articia from the A1 and putting this little guy in would ruin the mobo)
Ah well, back to the X-files... man, some of those mutants are UGLY.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 21 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 06-Dec-2002 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Mirror):
Well.. about not having that board on Aone is not going to be any solution. They have their OWN ... Due their restrictions I'm not going to copy message here.. But read it at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amigaone/message/22789
Ah. what to heck.. Sue me Alan for making this one liner my new signature :)
But there is still issue about is there any real dofference between these two fixes.. Like performance or stability. Ah well.. We see later.
---
"Personally I would never have dreamt of giving the similar gal used for our/MAI's hardware fix any name at all."
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 22 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Dec-2002 08:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (strobe):
finally a breath of fresh air!
or should i say jet of fresh... never mind... :-)
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 23 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 06-Dec-2002 08:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (catohagen):
"they probably will, hense the wordgame 'there is no mai without april'"
But then hyperion/eyetech got to buy them from thendic, but benhermans was even
too stuck up to get a pegasos for free. lol
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 24 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 06-Dec-2002 08:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (amorel):
I'll expect we will see a lot's of discussion (and flamewars) about this chip-thingy before it's all solved. Ah, more enterntainment coming up :)
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 25 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 06-Dec-2002 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (JoannaK):
noooooooooo ! please don't !!!!!!!
why not code or watch TV or even work productively instead ?
or share beers :)
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 26 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Dec-2002 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (JoannaK):
> Ah. what to heck.. Sue me Alan for making this one liner my new signature :)
He can try to sue me too, because I'm going to make some quotes here (but he has no case anyway, since his original message is posted in a public form from the start, you don't even have to register or join any group to see it. It's completely open on the web.).
Alan> Well I must admit that for all the fuss he was making I really did expect
Alan> that they had actually invested in a real chip, not just a couple of small
Alan> gals.
Well, it's the result that counts, isn't it?
"I really thought they had some *big macho chips*, some good looking chips, and not those two small pathetic ones. Big chips are impressive, but I really can't be impressed by those small ones. Small chips are only annoying".
Geez ...
Alan> The fact that Thendic may have found yet another problem with the Pegasos
Alan> board and have chosen to put a 40cent GAL on to make a marketing statement,
Alan> rather than alter the OS kernal and firmware
BBRV: "We finally solved all this a week and a half ago. Plus, we have added a couple of other features that are better accomplished in hardware than software (and don't believe a few lines of code will make the first patch work)."
And how missleading it is to speak about 40 cents hardware, as if it was the hardware in this case that was the interesting part (it's only an ugly attempt to belittle Genesi's efforts). The interesting part is the R&D resources that Genesi has put down to track the bugs and find corrections for it. And as Neil Thomas said above: "The extra chips are Lattice Vantis CPLD's (Complex Programmable Logic Devices). Whow knows what the code does?". Coding the chips means even more R&D resources. The cost of the "40 cents hardware" is only interesting when it comes to correcting faulty boards.
Alan> The important point is to see the whole announcement for what it is, a
Alan> desperate means to try to throw serious doubt on any competitive products.
It's a pity that he looks at it that way. It was an invitation for cooperation. It was (and still is, IMHO) a business opportunity for Eyetech. I mean, eyetech sells Teron mobos that are identical to Terrasoft's Teron mobos, but to a much higher price. Genesi is offering Eyetech to sell the Pegasos as A1 instead. The Pegasos is superiour to the Teron featurewize, and they would make more money in two ways:
1) Higher quantity - Lots of people on the Amiga market (including myself) would *never* buy that bulky (and buggy?) Teron board and keep investing in it and filling its PCI slots just to get it up and running the way we want (adding sound, adding firewire). The Pegasos is the only thinkable alternative for many of us.
2) Better profit margins - BBRV: "We know what Eyetech pays for the Teron/A1; we know what the A1 distributors pay. We would be willing to match the prices all around less 5% and provide an immediate solution to the community. We make the Pegasos. Eyetech does not. We have many of the same distributors. We can compensate Allan Redhouse through his success (something he is clearly about to loose with YDL Teron pricing). Hyperion too." And: "If we pulled eveyone together on this we might even honor those $50 coupons!"
I whish that Eyetech would make contact with Genesi to see if they really mean what they say:
BBRV: "We can forget the past if you can. We need to get into the same boat. Amiga Inc. has lost its leadership mantel. Selling coupons, promoting unachievable concepts and making wild claims about the next deal have worn tired and false." And: "We will give Hyperion a board. We will support the A1 Betatesters as we have our own. We don't have to trade sources or get Ralph having a beer with Ben, but we could all move ahead this way."
Give peace a chance, anyone?
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 27 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Dec-2002 10:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (takemehomegrandma):
I forgot:
Alan> I still find it quite bizzare that Buck should say so forcefully that
Alan> without bplan's 10 minute-just-in-time-for-an-Aachen-show-announcement
Alan> gal chip fix that MAI would not survive.
You know, it's only a word game. "After April comes May. No May without April". I'm sure that Mai is doing just fine, and I'm sure that BBRV knows that, and I'm sure that Mai very much appriciate the efforts from Genesi ...
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 28 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 06-Dec-2002 11:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (takemehomegrandma):
Sure, if the Pegasos was an AmigaOne, nobody would complain
it's not an amiga even if it's a bit better and cheaper
overall...(there's just this supp PCI which has its limits)
Really, we must support people who still try to make new hardware
in the amiga world.
Who wouldn't looooove to use OS4 and MorphOS on an handheld ?
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 29 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 06-Dec-2002 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (mahen):
.. and it would kind of prevent a community split : same hardware,
two OS'es, why not ?
We really LACK a lot of software, so cooperation is the only solution.
Imagine 50% of the soft are "OS 4 only" and the rest "MOS only"...
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 30 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Dec-2002 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (mahen):
> Who wouldn't looooove to use OS4 and MorphOS on an handheld ?
Exactly!
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 31 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Dec-2002 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (mahen):
Exactly (again)! :-)
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 32 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 06-Dec-2002 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (takemehomegrandma):
I'm sure Genasi will get deal with MAI of this fix to be integrated to next generation of ArticaS (s2 ?).. afterall it's much cheaper to purchase/install one big chip than make al this patchy thig just to get it work. But there is also important question of time.
Assuming this fix works (and is essential.. I don't know enough to justify), how long will it take before it's fully intergated to Mai chip. There will be time for design, time for serious testing, time for mass procuding. How long that all will take???
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 33 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 06-Dec-2002 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (JoannaK):
Not long.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 34 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 06-Dec-2002 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Exactly, you don't need a redesign because there are no more bugs, right?
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 35 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 06-Dec-2002 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (takemehomegrandma):
1) Learn about copyright first.
2) Reply on the AmigaOne group if you want to reply to Alan's post. Not here. It isn't appropriate. That is why he made the post there, not here.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 36 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 06-Dec-2002 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Will the upgraded Artica-S be a simple bug-fix chip, or will it have upgraded features (faster AGP, more PCI masters, etc) as well?
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 37 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Dec-2002 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Graham):
Time will tell. I would be surprized if it wasn't better in some way, except for old bugfixes. Why call it "new" otherwise ...?
There are allways newer and better hardware around the corner, you know ...
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 38 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Dec-2002 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Graham):
> 1) Learn about copyright first.
Actually, I know a little about copyright. Copyright only applies to someones *work* (as in work of art, achievement, production, etc), i e the work has to reach up to a "certain level". And even if this would have been considered to be a "work" (which it isn't, it's only a post in a debate - copyright doesn't apply in this case!), you are allways allowed to make quotations (of text).
If he would have wanted to keep these words secret, he shouldn't have made them publically available on the web.
> 2) Reply on the AmigaOne group if you want to reply to Alan's post. Not here.
> It isn't appropriate. That is why he made the post there, not here.
I might do that. But it doesn't matter IMHO. His words are public, and not limited to that group.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 39 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 06-Dec-2002 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (takemehomegrandma):
You aren't giving Alan a chance to respond to your attack on him by posting your reply here. It is common courtesy to address a reply to a post to the original person/group that the post was addressed at.
Simply put, it is rude to make comments behind someone's back.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 40 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 06-Dec-2002 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (takemehomegrandma):
<Alan /snip/ Alan>
>Well, it's the result that counts, isn't it?
>"I really thought they had some *big macho chips*, some good looking chips, >and not those two small pathetic ones. Big chips are impressive, but I really >can't be impressed by those small ones. Small chips are only annoying".
>Geez ...
Your point of view, biased and traducted. Just quote him, no try to rewrite (badly)
<Alan /snip/ Alan>
>BBRV: "We finally solved all this a week and a half ago. Plus, we have added a >couple of other features that are better accomplished in hardware than >software (and don't believe a few lines of code will make the first patch >work)."
>And how missleading it is to speak about 40 cents hardware, as if it was the >hardware in this case that was the interesting part (it's only an ugly attempt >to belittle Genesi's efforts). The interesting part is the R&D resources that >Genesi has put down to track the bugs and find corrections for it. And as Neil >Thomas said above: "The extra chips are Lattice Vantis CPLD's (Complex >Programmable Logic Devices). Whow knows what the code does?". Coding the chips >means even more R&D resources. The cost of the "40 cents hardware" is only >interesting when it comes to correcting faulty boards.
Your "point if view" is in the same vain of Alan, misleading. How do you know eyetech didn't do the same (resource)?
>Alan> The important point is to see the whole announcement for what it is, a
>Alan> desperate means to try to throw serious doubt on any competitive >products.
>It's a pity that he looks at it that way. It was an invitation for >cooperation. It was (and still is, IMHO) a business opportunity for Eyetech. I >mean, eyetech sells Teron mobos that are identical to Terrasoft's Teron mobos, >but to a much higher price. Genesi is offering Eyetech to sell the Pegasos as >A1 instead. The Pegasos is superiour to the Teron featurewize, and they would >make more money in two ways:
>1) Higher quantity - Lots of people on the Amiga market (including myself) >would *never* buy that bulky (and buggy?) Teron board and keep investing in it >and filling its PCI slots just to get it up and running the way we want
>(adding sound, adding firewire). The Pegasos is the only thinkable alternative >for many of us.
>2) Better profit margins - BBRV: "We know what Eyetech pays for the Teron/A1; >we know what the A1 distributors pay. We would be willing to match the prices >all around less 5% and provide an immediate solution to the community. We make >the Pegasos. Eyetech does not. We have many of the same distributors. We can >compensate Allan Redhouse through his success (something he is clearly about >to loose with YDL Teron pricing). Hyperion too." And: "If we pulled eveyone >together on this we might even honor those $50 coupons!"
>I whish that Eyetech would make contact with Genesi to see if they really mean >what they say:
>BBRV: "We can forget the past if you can. We need to get into the same boat. >Amiga Inc. has lost its leadership mantel. Selling coupons, promoting >unachievable concepts and making wild claims about the next deal have worn >tired and false." And: "We will give Hyperion a board. We will support the A1 >Betatesters as we have our own. We don't have to trade sources or get Ralph >having a beer with Ben, but we could all move ahead this way."
>Give peace a chance, anyone?
Bullshit, the past have shown sufficiently that there was too much PR annoucement whithout real intention behind. The fact is bbvr knows perfectly that his offers will never be accepted. We call that, "I take the good role and you the bad". In french we wall that "démagogie".
The fact it is impossible for them to make bizness together, they want control of market (AI, Hyperion, morph, ...). They don't want sharing (that's perfectly normal) and they can't simply works together, sometimes hate is soo much strong. Who knows what had happen, happen behind the scene these lasts years... For myself i trust only once a personne, after nada, never.
That's my opinion, that's sad they take these road but you can't change it.
IKez
no flame intended :)
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 41 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Dec-2002 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Graham):
> You aren't giving Alan a chance to respond to your attack on him by posting
> your reply here. It is common courtesy to address a reply to a post to the
> original person/group that the post was addressed at.
I see your point. But OTOH it's a two way street. Alan's respond to the above mentioned pictures (as well as BBRV's previous statements) is posted in the AmigaOne group, and not here (or at amiga.org where the statements origins from, right?).
You see, the debate is taking part on several forums on the net, not only in the AmigaOne group. Public statements from big players are destined to be discussed everywhere. I see nothing strange about that.
Amiga Anywhere :-P
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 42 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Robert on 06-Dec-2002 13:51 GMT
Which one is April?
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 43 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 06-Dec-2002 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (takemehomegrandma):
> "I really thought they had some *big macho chips*, some good looking chips, and
> not those two small pathetic ones. Big chips are impressive, but I really can't
> be impressed by those small ones. Small chips are only annoying".
This is what everyone expected after the massive announcement of the April chip People thought it was a more up to date southbridge, with USB2 and Firewire and everything built-in to make it more up to date. Or something else equally cool.
In the end it turned out to be two small chips to *fix a bug* on their motherboard.
Yeah, way to go! It wasn't worth announcing, and the AmigaOne already has such a fix and Eyetech didn't think it was worth announcing anything about.
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 44 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 06-Dec-2002 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Graham):
>Yeah, way to go! It wasn't worth announcing, and the AmigaOne already has such
>a fix and Eyetech didn't think it was worth announcing anything about.
Eyetech doesn't have a fix for this bug because they deny that such a bug
exists. So how can they have a fix then?
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 45 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Jedi on 06-Dec-2002 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Robert):
> Which one is April?
Follow the 'b'... ;)
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 46 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Dec-2002 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (ikez):
> Your point of view, biased and traducted. Just quote him, no try to rewrite
> (badly)
Well, I did quote him. The quotes was the "Alan>" part, and the text inside the quotation marks was just me visualizing what he just said. I thoght that was obvious to everyone, but perhaps it wasn't. I will try not to use quotation marks in that way in the future. Happy?
> Your "point if view" is in the same vain of Alan, misleading. How do you know
> eyetech didn't do the same (resource)?
Alan tried to belittle Genesi's efforts in a bad and ugly way. I have no idea if Eyetech has done any similar developing on the Mai chipset, and I said nothing about that. You must have misread my post.
>> Give peace a chance, anyone?
> Bullshit, the past have shown sufficiently that
Well perhaps that was then, and this is now? "We can forget the past if you can", you know ...?
> there was too much PR annoucement whithout real intention behind.
That's why I wrote: "I whish that Eyetech would make contact with Genesi to see if they really mean what they say". *If* Genesi is actually trying to build bridges at this point, it wouldn't be very nice to burn them down without listening.
>The fact is bbvr knows perfectly that his offers will never be accepted.
Why? And if the offers gets rejected, then why is that BBRV's fault in your eyes?
> The fact it is impossible for them to make bizness together, they want
> control of market (AI, Hyperion, morph, ...). They don't want sharing (that's
> perfectly normal) and they can't simply works together, sometimes hate is soo
> much strong.
The terms of an eventual cooperation has not been discussed, AFAIK, so please don't speculate about that. Cooperation and "getting in the same boat" doesn't usually mean one-sided dictatorship. You can't set the terms unless you sit down and talk. I whish they would do that. And Eyetech has a strong negotiation position (well, and so has Genesi now) ...
> Who knows what had happen, happen behind the scene these lasts years...
Yes, who knows. Perhaps they tried to cooperate with Eyetech before and was rejected. Perhaps it has been Eyetechs terms of cooperation that has been unacceptable (you know, Eyetech *are* the dubbed knights of "Amiga Hardware". They have complete monopoly and therefore a strong position in negotiations). Perhaps Genesi now make a public invitation just to make it clear to everyone that at least *they* have tried ... (pure speculation thogh, but not totally impossible).
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 47 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Robert on 06-Dec-2002 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Jedi):
Hi Jedi,
> > Which one is April?
> Follow the 'b'... ;)
Ta.
What's the other one then?
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 48 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Dec-2002 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (David Scheibler):
Ah lo!
Didn't T. De Grotte/Hyperion already confirmed the bug and provided an easy solution/workaround (ide=nodma) ?
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 49 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by Mostafa on 06-Dec-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (takemehomegrandma):
>I see your point. But OTOH it's a two way street. Alan's respond to the above
>mentioned pictures (as well as BBRV's previous statements) is posted in the
>AmigaOne group, and not here (or at amiga.org where the statements origins
>from, right?).
Not quite, Alan was answering a question asked to him on the A1 Mailing list by one of its members (for the original message),
He was then talking about Genesi's implenetation of this and how it compared to theirs (not that he said much of theirs)
Please read from the original question made towards him be fore saying that he is making comments about comments from here/there and everywhere, when in fact he is replying to questions made on the A1 Mailing List to the mailing list (if you get what I mean).
Pictures of ArticiaS and April chip : Comment 50 of 146ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 06-Dec-2002 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Robert):
Hmm, lets see ... (reading through the posts that has already been made about that matter above)
Ah, I see a post from "Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]" about this:
> There are two different: LC4032V is an CPLD
and:
> iM4A3-64 is a socket adaptor
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