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[News] Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressionsANN.lu
Posted on 07-Dec-2002 19:27 GMT by Diermar Eilert (Edited on 2002-12-08 02:55:19 GMT by Christophe Decanini)230 comments
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It took place in a large congress room in Aachen's Eurogress. At 16:00, it was pretty crowded in terms of visitors ...

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Just a few words about the Amiga Retro event today, I've been there for an hour or so this afternoon:

It took place in a large congress room in Aachen's Eurogress. At 16:00, it was pretty crowded in terms of visitors, maybe 100-200 people, but pretty empty in terms of dealers. If you mentally subtract Thendic, who took up 50% of the space, the whole affair would have fitted into a grocery store. Well, I guess that reflects the state of the market.

I saw one Amiga One. Maybe there were more, I didn't look hard. The one I saw didn't do anything to get exited about (a pc-style box, obviously no AmigaOS 4, bulky mainboard).

The Thendic people were at the center of attention, having something exiting to show. I don't know how many Pegasos boxes they had with them, but there were lots of them for trial. Morphos looks great, their Ambient workbench is visually stunning. A large amount of money must have gone into the direction of designers, the icons are all ultra-professional, 3D, 24bit, raytraced. If you are ever going to write software for Morphos and plan to have equally good icons, you have your work laid out for you ;-) The overall design reminds me of NeXt. Nevertheless, everything is still quite basic in terms of operating systems: I didn't see a file manager or other things I would expect with an OS. For example, an equally well-designed "Start" bar would have been nice.

Unfortunately, their boxes only had PPC native software installed or I was too dumb to find regular 68K software. I've tried for twenty minutes to find a bug, cause a crash etc. but no luck: Morphos looks fine to me with that selection of software. I would have rather testet it with "normal" software though.

Some Pegaos boxes were open, you could see the April fix and the small mainboard. It's a micro-atx-sized board, you probably have to see it to realize how small it is. If mainboards were sold on optical merits, the Amiga One would be dead. I don't understand why Tendic choose a big aluminium case for it: yes, it looks nice but if you have such a small mainboard, why not advertise the possibilities of small dimensions ?

Conclusion: Pegasos/Morphos is much more advanced than I though before. If it's all pure PPC, the worst is clearly over for them. They seem to have a nice usable small OS. What's left for them to do is to provide more "middleware" to get rid of the basic feel. I mean the small tools that normally ship with an OS: file manager, calculators, whatever. Nothing complicated.

Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 201 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 09-Dec-2002 10:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Mike Bouma):
> > Also bear in mind that people could do anything they wanted with the many
> > MorphOS installations (hich includes messing with the configuration and
> > deleting files).
> So? What would be the difference if I went there and used it myself? Couldn't > you or MorphOS related employees just claim the same?
Claim what? I don't really understand what you're trying to say (ie. construction of the sentences)
> > When was the last time you even saw a recording of AmigaOS4 (and not just a
> > few components displayed on somebody's personal machine?).
> I have seen alot of AmigaOS4, more in terms of features than of MorphOS. Yes > AmigaOS4 is still undergoing developement, so what?
Did you see Amiga*OS*4 running standalone on a PPC machine, or did you see a few components running in 68k mode on a vintage Amiga? Because that's what most people saw; while at the same time they could be seeing MorphOS running native on a Pegasos.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that according to publically available information, AmigaOS4 is much further from completion than MorphOS.
At ARC, you could have booted MorphOS on a PPC and worked with it. When can you do the same with AmigaOS4 on an AmigaOne?
> > Ah, so now we're no longer "biased" but "anti"?
> That's the feeling when I read your emails.
I don't recall us exchanging all that many emails. Also, like I said before, it's becoming increasingly clear that one side has much more to offer than the other side, so my personal opinion is of course influenced by that. I'll point out however (because otherwise you'll accuse me of taking bribery again) that my personal opinion does not influence what gets posted on the ANN main page.
> > A "shift in opinions" should certainly be any person's right, especially
> > when considering that a lot of things have changed recently; some for the
> > better on one side, some for the worse on the other. I'll let you guess
> > which side I think is which.
> BTW you skipped my question.
Oh, I'm sorry, I must have missed it inbetween all those accusations.
> It is just remarkable that many people who I have respected in the past, turn
> to be hostile and continue to support and defend individuals who have shown
> them to be very childish and unprofessional.
Funny, that's exactly what I was thinking about you and Luca.
> But OK, I hope you will be consistent with your opinions if other projects
> turn out be a success instead.
My opinions are flexible. I might have one opinion today, but that does not mean that I still have the same opinion in a few years when everything is different. Which might be different from you: you were an Amiga supporter, and still are an Amiga supporter (and apparently always will be), even though they are losing more and more momentum (and credibility) with every day.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 202 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Dec-2002 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (Daniel Miller):
It is soo easy to quote things completely out of context.
For each of those quotes an explanation follows, of course you don't want to hear the reasoning behind these statements.
IMO MorphOS' and Amithlon's two kernel approaches are not optimal, that doesn't mean I think they are bad, far from that as you would read within my Amithlon review, but it does mean that *I prefer* another way.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 203 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Dec-2002 10:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (Christian Kemp):
>>> Also bear in mind that people could do anything they wanted with the many
>>> MorphOS installations (hich includes messing with the configuration and
>>> deleting files).
>> So? What would be the difference if I went there and used it myself?
>> Couldn't > you or MorphOS related employees just claim the same?
> Claim what? I don't really understand what you're trying to say (ie.
> construction of the sentences)
Claims of that any problems may have been caused by messing with configuration files or file deletions.
> I guess what I'm trying to say is that according to publically available
> information, AmigaOS4 is much further from completion than MorphOS.
An OS is never really "completed". And yes MorphOS has been in the lead, even before AmigaOS4 was started. But AmigaOS4 isn't that far behind anymore in my opinion.
> At ARC, you could have booted MorphOS on a PPC and worked with it. When can
> you do the same with AmigaOS4 on an AmigaOne?
I can buy a Windows box as well, and use Amithlon or various versions of UAE. Just accept that MorphOS approach isn't my presonal preference, this because of the reasons I stated earlier. The reason why I do use those named emulators is simply because I already own a PC and so do alot of other people.
> I don't recall us exchanging all that many emails.
I am talking about our recent email exchanges, not those of many years ago.
> I'll point out however (because otherwise you'll accuse me of taking bribery
> again)
I never accused you personally and you know that, I have only stated a general warnings in a general notice and asked you a question, just now. I cannot help it that you took it personally...
> Oh, I'm sorry, I must have missed it inbetween all those accusations.
There were no accusations, and still you haven't awsered my question.
> Funny, that's exactly what I was thinking about you and Luca.
Then maybe there is still hope for the future.
> Which might be different from you: you were an Amiga supporter, and still
> are an Amiga supporter (and apparently always will be), even though they are
> losing more and more momentum (and credibility) with every day.
I see this differently, hopefully something will happen within the community that will bring us all closer together again.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 204 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Dec-2002 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (Christian Kemp):
> Which might be different from you: you were an Amiga supporter, and still
> are an Amiga supporter (and apparently always will be)
I hope you aren't suggesting that I am a "The Name Inc follower" or something? That would be very childish, espcially considering that many people know that I have severly publicly critized Amiga Inc under Gateway control for going after a Linux kernel in the past.
You should just need to accept that I may have opinions which simpy aren't the identical to yours or some other vocal people here. I hope that you as a webmaster will be able to keep down the personal attacks and swearing by people on this board.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 205 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 09-Dec-2002 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 203 (Mike Bouma):
> Claims of that any problems may have been caused by messing with
> configuration files or file deletions.
I wasn't claiming that, just saying that people could really do anything to these machines, and as such it is far more likely that any problems will appear than if there had been one person demoing on a projector, for example.
You have to admit that it is far more honest this way, rather than just having someone showing you the stuff that works and that might have been tested ten times beforehand in exactly the same sequence and omitting anything that might cause trouble.
> An OS is never really "completed". And yes MorphOS has been in the lead, even
> before AmigaOS4 was started. But AmigaOS4 isn't that far behind anymore in my
> opinion.
Yes, but does it run native on PPC? Has there been any testing of AmigaOS4 running native on PPC? Have third-party programs been tested on a native PPC version of AmigaOS4? All of this is crucial IMHO, and there might be many bugs that only surface at that moment, and that take a long time to fix. Feel free to correct me if this is already being done, or has been done already, but it is my impression that this is not yet the case.
> I can buy a Windows box as well, and use Amithlon or various versions of UAE.
> Just accept that MorphOS approach isn't my presonal preference, this because
> of the reasons I stated earlier. The reason why I do use those named
> emulators is simply because I already own a PC and so do alot of other
> people.
I own a PC too, and I don't see myself using a Pegasos or AmigaOne as my main machine just yet. However, a lot of the recent talk has been about the relative merits and progress of the two competing systems (software- and hardware-wise), and that's where our opinions are diverging more and more.
> > I don't recall us exchanging all that many emails.
> I am talking about our recent email exchanges, not those of many years ago.
Of course, but still.
> I never accused you personally and you know that, I have only stated a
> general warnings in a general notice and asked you a question, just now. I
> cannot help it that you took it personally...
I took the accusation personally, and I know that I'm not the only one who got that impression. You might not have mentioned any names, but who else could you really have meant but ANN and Thendic?
> > Oh, I'm sorry, I must have missed it inbetween all those accusations.
> There were no accusations, and still you haven't awsered my question.
What question? Whether Bill Buck had asked me for my loyalty?
> > Funny, that's exactly what I was thinking about you and Luca.
> Then maybe there is still hope for the future.
Like I said before, none of my opinions are set in stone. I'm always willing to adapt to new developments.
> > Which might be different from you: you were an Amiga supporter, and still
> > are an Amiga supporter (and apparently always will be), even though they
> > are losing more and more momentum (and credibility) with every day.
> I see this differently, hopefully something will happen within the community > that will bring us all closer together again.
While I wouldn't mind bringing some sanity back to all the recent discussions there have been on ANN and other forums, I think that in the short term, people will continue going crazy and taking the advocacy too far. Which is a shame, really, because all this time could be better spent on projects that have any value: writing and/or porting software, creating web pages, learning something new, or just finishing some personal projects...
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 206 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Dec-2002 11:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Christian Kemp):
> I wasn't claiming that, just saying that people could really do anything to
> these machines, and as such it is far more likely that any problems will
> appear than if there had been one person demoing on a projector, for
> example.
Well you claimed this *could* have happened. While suggesting that I should not believe (or put much weight into) what I have seen.
> You have to admit that it is far more honest this way, rather than just
> having someone showing you the stuff that works and that might have been
> tested ten times beforehand in exactly the same sequence and omitting
> anything that might cause trouble.
Nobody is trying to claim otherwise.
> Yes, but does it run native on PPC?
For the latest product status announcements you should contact Ben Hermans instead. You know of course that the new ExecSG kernel has been demonstrated to be fully functional on this new hardware. So at a fundamentally level, yes it already does run. I guess that the Petunia integration is be the next milestone, then they can glue everything together.
> I own a PC too, and I don't see myself using a Pegasos or AmigaOne as my
> main machine just yet. However, a lot of the recent talk has been about the
> relative merits and progress of the two competing systems (software- and
> hardware-wise), and that's where our opinions are diverging more and more.
Even that should not be a problem, really. We all have different opinions, cultures,backgrounds, etc but we should be able to respect eachother. The personal attacks, insults and FUD/misinformation spreading only makes things worse.
> I took the accusation personally, and I know that I'm not the only one who
> got that impression.
You shouldn't have, and for those initial attacks you apologized. No problem.
> You might not have mentioned any names, but who else could you really have
> meant but ANN and Thendic?
Anyone within the Amiga community, ANN has public Amiga community forums. I was worried that some people are being fooled and played, without them knowing precisely what is happening. I thought it was a very important issue to addressed.
> What question? Whether Bill Buck had asked me for my loyalty?
Of course....
> While I wouldn't mind bringing some sanity back to all the recent
> discussions there have been on ANN and other forums, I think that in the
> short term, people will continue going crazy and taking the advocacy too
> far.
For the short term I agree. I don't mind people stating how wonderful MorphOS is for them, what worries me is the FUD/misinformation being spread even by a leading company CEO. Also if someone disagrees with something he shouldn't be attacked for having his ore her's own opinion.
> Which is a shame, really, because all this time could be better spent on
> projects that have any value: writing and/or porting software, creating web
> pages, learning something new, or just finishing some personal projects...
I totally agree, the last thing I really want to do is have to read FUD/misinformation on public forums and newswebsites, by childish unprofessional CEOs about 3rd party rival products. Let's keep it clean.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 207 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Diermar Eilert on 09-Dec-2002 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (Mike Bouma):
>IMO MorphOS' and Amithlon's two kernel approaches are not optimal, that
You better get used to modern programming styles. It's very common to have layer upon layer upon layer, or, to say it with Shrek's words, software is like onions. There is nothing bad with this approach per se.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 208 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 09-Dec-2002 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 207 (Diermar Eilert):
Anyway, it's just Mike's personal preference. Everyone
is entitled to...
Even if I think MOS' approach is better.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 209 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 09-Dec-2002 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 208 (mahen):
It's my own preference ;)
We can discuss about things without getting anal can't we ;) ?
There's no matter of "pride" or "camps" or whatever...
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 210 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous coward on 09-Dec-2002 12:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 205 (Christian Kemp):
Why aren't you just answering this question Mr Kemp? Why should you go round in circles trying to avoid this question?
And why is nobody apologizing to Mike about their false allegations against him? Especially Christophe Decanini!
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 211 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 09-Dec-2002 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 210 (Anonymous coward):
> Why aren't you just answering this question Mr Kemp?
If you gave a name, or some other proof that you are not just flamebaiting, I might have taken you more seriously.
But as is, I will only say that I met Bill in person some weeks ago, have met them again in Aachen this week, and the overall impression that I got is that he's a good guy that I can trust. The same applies to the other Thendic/Genesi employees and team members that I met and talked to.
I wish I could still say that about Amiga Inc. (the company, not necessarily individual employees).
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 212 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 09-Dec-2002 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 207 (Diermar Eilert):
> You better get used to modern programming styles. It's very common to have
> layer upon layer upon layer, or, to say it with Shrek's words
Yes in some cases the advantages are obvious, with regard to Amithlon you will have tons of harware to choose from. With regard to the AmigaDE it is total platform independence (with full advatages of a normal operating system), with regard to MorphOS I really don't know...
> There is nothing bad with this approach per se.
Let me tell you something ironic, some of the most vivid MorphOS advocated, including some core MorphOS developers, have repeatably ridiculed and attacked the AmigaDE for this in the past.
To my explanations they replied that I was stupid, that I could not understand that an extra layer will *always* result in performance penalties.
My replies have always been, that I agreed but that there are apparent advantages in the case of the AmigaDE (advantages outweigh the disadvantages). Now you hear the MorphOS advocates saying the *complete* opposite. (Maybe because they can't stand being wrong and didn't know how MorphOS was really structured, but what about those developers.....?)
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 213 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2002 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 211 (Christian Kemp):
Wow I didnít know buying a Pegasos motherboard required a ritualistic pact with the devil himself. Did you have to slaughter a goat too? Kiss his ring?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 214 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 09-Dec-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 213 (Anonymous):
I shouldn't fall for these obvious trolling attempts...
But just for the record, I didn't buy a Pegasos board.
Satisfied with that response, Mindspring dialup user?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 215 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 09-Dec-2002 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Mike Bouma):
Posted by Mike Bouma (62.131.178.212) on 09-Dec-2002 10:54:40
<snip>
> It is just remarkable that many people who I have respected in the past,
> turn to be hostile and continue to support and defend individuals who have
> shown them to be very childish and unprofessional.
Mike, when the word unprofessional appears, why do I automatically think of you? I guess your just a frustrated physical therapist with delusions of being a journalist, unless of course, your really a sock puppet with attack orders. My bet is the latter.
Dammy
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 216 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Dec-2002 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (Mike Bouma):
"For the short term I agree. I don't mind people stating how wonderful MorphOS is for them, what worries me is the FUD/misinformation being spread even by a leading company CEO."
What about accusations of code stealed from Amiga INC ?
Of course it comes from your camp so it must be true so you reinforce this idea on your OSNEWS articles ...
What about Ben hermans stating that there is no Articia bug weeks ago and then Eyetech announcing a fixed articia a week after ? How should I trust him now ?
What about Amiga / Ben threatening to sue Thendic ?
I don't say that everything is white for Thendic/BBRV and everything is black for Amiga/Ben but if I would have been BBRV I would have go to court long time ago and would have been more defensive than Thendic ever was.
"Also if someone disagrees with something he shouldn't be attacked for having his ore her's own opinion."
This is exactely how some people made me loose my Amiga "faith"
I had interest in MorphOS and I have been continuously attacked since I said something good about MorphOS. There are a LOT of people that would blindly attack anything that could endanger OS4.
Of course MorphOS had some fans too that have been as childish as the Amiga one but if you look well you would see that a majority of people going the MorphOS route (and using it) went this way because of the product and not because of the name.
I never criticized OS4 except maybe for the unrealistic release dates. But still some people think I'am sided as I support something that is not OS4.
Now if OS4 was out today I would definitely want to test it and defend it if on 30 machines running for two days someone would crash it.
I find it is a bit annoying when someone as Amiga enthusiastic as you Mike does not care about having several applications running on the first new hardware/ AmigaOS like platform for years and only emphasize on the crashed machine or on what the Thendic Employes could have said that would look bad.
I'am sure that if this show was about 30 Amigaones running OS4 and 2 pegasos with linux you would have done a nice report that would have made everything look good for the Amiga (without the crash screenshot) and would have laugh at the Pegasos.
If Mike Bouma was the average Amiga user it would not annoy me that much.
Now what is even more annoying is that you and Luca are so close from AmigaInc that you think that anyone having a more balanced opinion than you is sided, biased or got some money from Thendic ...
Are you really thinking that or are you exagerating your public Amiga advocate role ?
For example Luca told me he likes MorphOS but think it has no future. He think OS4 has a future called OS5 in AmigaINC roadmap.
Good for him. I think that at this stage OS5 is kind of vapor. I think that I should go for what is ready now which is MorphOS now and OS4 when ready.
We had friendly discussions and everything was OK.
Now when I look at Luca posts here (mostly lately) I could think he is not the same guy. He his playing his Amiga advocate role. I'am sad it went to this point with Christian.
What if I go the same way ? I could have had several arguments against Amiga, Hyperion, OS4 that I could have voiced here. Is it very ethical ? Isn't it part of the FUD we all complain about ? What about calming down a little bit and do something productive instead of annoying everyone here ?
I spend myself way to much time on ANN (reading / commenting) and I have to stop that to be productive again.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 217 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Dietmar Eilert on 09-Dec-2002 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Mike Bouma):
>Yes in some cases the advantages are obvious [...] regard to MorphOS I really don't know
Neither do I but normally, it is safe to assume that developers know what they are doing, so one shouldn't start critizing designs until one has comprehensive technical insight in such matters. If I had to have a guess, I'd assume the design of Morphos is mostly inspired by the desire to have a upgrade path to things to come.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 218 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Ron van Herk on 09-Dec-2002 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Mike Bouma):
Dear Mike,
>I just received yet another example:
>http://lloupiot.photos.2.free.fr/aachen02/aachen2002_081.jpg
This is a picture taken saturday morning, whn the machines were still being installed, because a) setup time ended two hours earlier on friday and b) the building was opened a bit later then planned on saturday morning.
I do not think that taking a screenshot of a machine that is still being setup (both software- and hardwarewise) is all that accurate, but this was the case. The orange thing in fron is a screwdriver by the way.
Of course, there will be occasions when some driver has hickups but others have stated, you don't know what is running in the background with things like these, do you? I could have Quake II running op my A1200PPC, plus some other things, switch to the CGX workbench, mess around, and then take a picture if the screen acts up. If that's proof to you that a system is unstable, so be it.
>I wonder why Bill Buck thought of including you, Ron, Wayne, Petra, etc on his >childish list. I know some of the people which were included are still pretty >objective.... However you guys seem to have made a clear shift in "opinions" >and have turned pretty "anti" I would say. As I have been requested for >"loyalty" by Bill Buck, have you been so too?
No.
Cheers,
Ron
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 219 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2002 17:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Mike Bouma):
>With regard to the AmigaDE it is total platform independence (with full advatages
>of a normal operating system), with regard to MorphOS I really don't know...
You know what? Thendic have a licence for AmigaDE, too! :-)
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 220 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2002 17:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 218 (Ron van Herk):
>switch to the CGX workbench, mess around, and then take a picture if the screen acts up.
There you have it - CGX is to blame! It's good OS4 uses P96, yes? :-)
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 221 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Emmanuel Lesueur on 09-Dec-2002 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Mike Bouma):
Mike Bouma writes:
> Yes in some cases the advantages are obvious, with regard to Amithlon
> you will have tons of harware to choose from. With regard to the
> AmigaDE it is total platform independence (with full advatages of a
> normal operating system), with regard to MorphOS I really don't
> know...
Here is the main one: it is impossible to have true memory protection
with exec, so you need another kernel if you want it.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 222 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Asemoon on 09-Dec-2002 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 221 (Emmanuel Lesueur):
But why not adapt and modernize one kernel like AmigaOS4 does? Why not get rid of Quark and modernize the reimplemented Exec kernel?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 223 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Dec-2002 19:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 222 (Asemoon):
And what would be better than ?
In what ExecSG is better than Quark (or vice versa) ?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 224 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Emmanuel Lesueur on 09-Dec-2002 19:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 222 (Asemoon):
Asemoon writes:
> But why not adapt and modernize one kernel like AmigaOS4 does? Why
> not get rid of Quark and modernize the reimplemented Exec kernel?
Because almost everything in the core of exec would have to be thrown
out to implement memory protection. The whole exec design relies on
structures sharing the same address space and being linked in lists.
This is very bad for MP.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 225 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-Dec-2002 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 187 (Don Cox):
Ehm, that's why they are in beta testing phase for such a long time.
It's not a "who knows" issue... I can assure you it works fine with
most programs. I use it.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 226 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-Dec-2002 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 189 (Mike Bouma):
You clearly don't know what you're talking about when saying "less optimal".
MorphOS is ready to seperate the legacy applications and new applications
cleanly by using the boxes.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 227 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-Dec-2002 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 199 (Mike Bouma):
Excuse me, but would an OS have to crash sometime after having 200 people using
it?! Are you NUTS!?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 228 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-Dec-2002 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 200 (Mike Bouma):
"Accused"? You accused Bill Buck for bribery and you wanted to get away with
it with no problem!? You've got a very big mouth and you have a TALENT in
persuading people to believe what you want.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 229 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-Dec-2002 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (Mike Bouma):
As if you knew anything about MorphOS and it's implementation...
As if you knew ANYTHING about software in general basically;)
Do some research...
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 230 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 10-Dec-2002 17:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Mike Bouma):
Ha! Now you're drawing parallels between MorphOS and AmigaDE (read Intent)!
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