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[News] Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressionsANN.lu
Posted on 07-Dec-2002 19:27 GMT by Diermar Eilert (Edited on 2002-12-08 02:55:19 GMT by Christophe Decanini)230 comments
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It took place in a large congress room in Aachen's Eurogress. At 16:00, it was pretty crowded in terms of visitors ...

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Just a few words about the Amiga Retro event today, I've been there for an hour or so this afternoon:

It took place in a large congress room in Aachen's Eurogress. At 16:00, it was pretty crowded in terms of visitors, maybe 100-200 people, but pretty empty in terms of dealers. If you mentally subtract Thendic, who took up 50% of the space, the whole affair would have fitted into a grocery store. Well, I guess that reflects the state of the market.

I saw one Amiga One. Maybe there were more, I didn't look hard. The one I saw didn't do anything to get exited about (a pc-style box, obviously no AmigaOS 4, bulky mainboard).

The Thendic people were at the center of attention, having something exiting to show. I don't know how many Pegasos boxes they had with them, but there were lots of them for trial. Morphos looks great, their Ambient workbench is visually stunning. A large amount of money must have gone into the direction of designers, the icons are all ultra-professional, 3D, 24bit, raytraced. If you are ever going to write software for Morphos and plan to have equally good icons, you have your work laid out for you ;-) The overall design reminds me of NeXt. Nevertheless, everything is still quite basic in terms of operating systems: I didn't see a file manager or other things I would expect with an OS. For example, an equally well-designed "Start" bar would have been nice.

Unfortunately, their boxes only had PPC native software installed or I was too dumb to find regular 68K software. I've tried for twenty minutes to find a bug, cause a crash etc. but no luck: Morphos looks fine to me with that selection of software. I would have rather testet it with "normal" software though.

Some Pegaos boxes were open, you could see the April fix and the small mainboard. It's a micro-atx-sized board, you probably have to see it to realize how small it is. If mainboards were sold on optical merits, the Amiga One would be dead. I don't understand why Tendic choose a big aluminium case for it: yes, it looks nice but if you have such a small mainboard, why not advertise the possibilities of small dimensions ?

Conclusion: Pegasos/Morphos is much more advanced than I though before. If it's all pure PPC, the worst is clearly over for them. They seem to have a nice usable small OS. What's left for them to do is to provide more "middleware" to get rid of the basic feel. I mean the small tools that normally ship with an OS: file manager, calculators, whatever. Nothing complicated.

Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 51 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 08-Dec-2002 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (takemehomegrandma):
"You can't run your favourite Amiga applications
on MacOS, Tao and QNX, but you can run them on MorphOS just as you are
used to from your Amiga."
I doubt that.
DeLuxe Paint? OctaMED SS ? Imagemaster? Pixel 3d? Brilliance? Bars &
Pipes? Music-X ? Pro Draw ?
We have yet to see any compatability list of which Amiga software does
or does not work on MorphOS. Surely some will work, but to suggest
that in general all legal software that works on an A1200 will run on
a Pegasos is misleading.
How about sound output? Most legal Amiga programs are written to
output to Paula - only a small number of very recent programs support
AHI (which is presumably in MorphOS). How about MIDI input and output?
Which sound cards work ?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 52 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 08-Dec-2002 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (takemehomegrandma):
Well some are prepared to wait for what they some & not just buy the other cos its here now.
just like alot of ppl waited for the PS2 even tho the dreamcast was out along time before.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 53 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (takemehomegrandma):
In the end it boils down to this though:
AmigaOS 4 *is* AmigaOS.
MorphOS is a compatibility layer within another operating system.
If I wanted the latter I'd run UAE.
The only thing I find interesting about the Pegasos is the fact that it runs MacOS X.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 54 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 08-Dec-2002 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (takemehomegrandma):
Talk to me when OS4 runs *at all* - otherwise please keep quiet :P
He was not talking to you it was you who chose to reply.
& yet talk about Aone & Aos4. you were not forced to reply & talk about it your self.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 55 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Christophe Decanini):
> I do not trust you Mike
Your problem.
> On my side I wish OS4 success as well as MorphOS, can you say the same thing
> or will it hurt you to say that ?
I wish success for any Amiga community related developer. I do hope that the MorphOS/Pegasos advocates would actually buy this product. As I stated many times before this will help Amiga dealers.
Personally, as I have stated sooooo many times before I consider the Pegasos to be excellent hardware and MorphOS to be promising. Well maybe that not enough for you, maybe I need to say it is "fantastic".
To be frank, I will not buy a dedicated Pegasos box myself for solely running MorphOS. The ABOX approach is similar to me as an Amithlon approach, I will not buy an Amithlon dedicated box neither.
I am far more interested in a fully native AmigaOS environment and all the other stuff I know about this product. That is my opinion, could you please respect this?
> If everyone is biased who between you and me is more biased ?
That would depend on the points of views of the "bias judge".
> I'am not on Morphos secret communication mailing list. Can you say the same
> thing about not being on AmigaINC secret mailing list ?
I wouldn't call it a secret list. I have been asked to provide feedback and input onto this list. As an AmigaOS fan I am glad that I can be of help. If someone wants my feedback for some "secret MorphOS list" contact me. (Actually Bill Buck recently did put me on such a stupid list without asking me first)
> I have no personal problems with the Hyperion team, can you say the same
> thing about Thendic?
Within Thendic-France, I only have problems with Bill Buck. AND FOR GODS SAKE I will not write ANY future articles about MorphOS/Pegasos because of this.
OPEN YOUR EYES, and read the above again.
At the time when I did write that article on MorphOS I did not have any of these problems. The problems started when I asked him screenshots for this article when I received nonesense and legal documents instead, but the content of my article remained the same, as the article was already finished.
> you turned a nice thread into flamewar.
Nonesense.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 56 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Anonymous):
No no no...
Both AmigaOS and MorphOS are meant to be complete (progressive for
OS4) rewrites, unofficial or not of the amigaOS. They have to be
modernized, so of course, they'll all differ from the original amigaOS
3.x.
Saying "I want the real thing" makes no sens here.
Yeah, I'm repeating myself I know !
To me : both are similar products, meant to be the future OS of
current amigans. Let's wait & see both products.
People should be open.
MorphOS is really meant to be an unofficial successor of the amiga OS,
philosophy wise, legacy wise, etc etc. It's another complete rewrite.
NOT AN EMULATOR. And available today.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 57 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (mahen):
... just like AmigaOS 4 should be in the end, I should add ...
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 58 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (mahen):
I'm not anti OS4, I'm just tired of those flame wars.
Let the developers work and the final products.
Why spit on MorphOS ? It exists and it's cool.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 59 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (mahen):
wait for
spit at
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 60 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (mahen):
> NOT AN EMULATOR.
What I think is that he probably prefers a native implementation instead of an ABOX implementation above an alien kernel/OS (Quark/MorphOS).
I do so too.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 61 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Mike Bouma):
I don't think Quark is an alien kernel. Not more than ExecSG in my
opinion. The ABOX term is really misleading in my opinion. But I'm
just a stupid user, I would need explanations from a developer.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 62 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (mahen):
I mean, the ABOX, the amiga libs etc directly use the quark kernel,
there's no "emulation layer" or whatever. Right ?
I don't know. But the ABOX thingy is just a way of preparing the
further evolution of the OS. It's more an advantage than a drawback.
But I would really need a MOS developer to explain this.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 63 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Anonymous):
> In the end it boils down to this though:
> AmigaOS 4 *is* AmigaOS.
> MorphOS is a compatibility layer within another operating system.
> If I wanted the latter I'd run UAE.
I second that.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 64 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Anonymous):
It's more than that.
I would say : for the moment MorphOS is just _an_ amigaOS rewrite.
But it'll be more later, thanks to the concept of boxes.
Right ?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 65 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (mahen):
"RTFM"
Read the "morphos document" and you will see its an emulation box. In fact this is all over the place on their own websites and only recently some fanatics insist that its not an emulation at all because its "cleanly reimplemented". Guess what, so is Aros, and its not an Amiga either.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 66 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (mahen):
> I would say : for the moment MorphOS is just _an_ amigaOS rewrite.
> But it'll be more later, thanks to the concept of boxes.
> Right ?
Even less Amiga-ish and even more something-else.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 67 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 08-Dec-2002 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (mahen):
The "box" approach is imho the only sensible one, if you want *proper*
memoryprotection some time in the future. From what I've understood,
plans for some future AOS versions are similar - although I've heard
somewhat different accounts of these plans so I'm not sure.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 68 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Anonymous):
"under the quark kernel, native reimplementation of the OS"
I think we play more or less on words
b/c currently morphOS is only the ABOX
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 69 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Johan Rönnblom):
The "box-approach" is a key concept of emulation designs. If youre workíng in the box what does memory protection help you when the entire box crashes??
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 70 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (mahen):
It is a re-implementation, no doubt there. But this doesnt stop it to be an Amiga emulation layer, and the only real morphos functions in existence is just to run the abox. Later on, when and if the qbox is functional in itself, it will be something entirely different.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 71 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Anonymous):
> Read the "morphos document" and you will see its an emulation box. In fact this is all over the place on their own websites and only recently some fanatics insist that its not an emulation at all because its "cleanly reimplemented". Guess what, so is Aros, and its not an Amiga either.
I have been told OS4 emulates OS3.1 functions in PPC. In addtion I have been told OS4 contains 68k CPU emulator built-in. This proves OS4 is just bad Amithlon rewrite... eh?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 72 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Anonymous):
You dont get it do you?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 73 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anonymous):
To put something into perspective.
Morphos is not gonna improve upon the a-box. Its there to get some application, user and most importantly developers for a kick start. What they really want to do is the qbox, e.g. a new OS designed by them, owned by them. Whats the difference between this and UAE on linux? The latter is cheaper, faster and already complete.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 74 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Anonymous):
that's sarcastic :)
But I really think (but do not know) both OS4 and MOS
will have to use similar "tricks" to keep compatibility
and add new feature like mem protection at the same time.
So it's not use babbling about that too much ;)
It's just another argument to drop MorphOS though it's already
here :(
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 75 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Anonymous):
I don't think so.
I really think they want to make new new amiga-ish OS
in the QBOX: that is to say, get things "out of the a/BOX".
Just like OS4 will have to to evolve.
Remember the initial aim was to rewrite amigaOS.
Now it's to take AmigaOS further. Make a new amiga-ish
OS. Not yet another OS with amiga compatibility. It'd be
a big waster of time !
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 76 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (mahen):
... and OS 5 will be much less amiga-ish than MorphOS/OS4 anyway ...
You just have to consider :
we have amiga OS
we rewrite it
and take it further
there will be two routes : the morphOS way (ABOX -> QBOX) and the
OS 4 way (OS3 PPC -> AmigaDE)
(hypothesis)
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 77 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 13:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Johan Rönnblom):
A big difference is that ExecSG does not use a Box approach itself, this identical kernel/OS can be used with memory protection enabled (breaking alot compatibiliy with alot of older software, so this is only really useful when enough AmigaOS4 applications have been released).
With regard to the current MorphOS/ABOX approach, without ABOX there is almost nothing. No Amiga(-like) libraries nor applications, so IMO this approach is very similar to for instance Amithlon. Quark itseld is in general just as much Exec/AmigaOS-like, as for instance Neutrino, Mach or Elate.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 78 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (mahen):
What the qbox will look like is in someones crystal ball. How long are you prepared to wait for it?
Anyway, basically we do agree. They want to start over with a new OS (that may very well be amiga-ish) that includes an Amiga emulation layer. The emulation is there and thats it right now.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 79 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 08-Dec-2002 13:19 GMT
The whole idea of the "box" approach is that eventually, you'll be
able to make applications which run outside of this box, in some other
box. So stuff that's running in the first box can crash that box, but
not the new applications. And the new box can be made such that
applications within it can't even crash each other because of limits
to what they can do.
Since it's impossible to make an AmigaOS that runs the old
applications and which can't crash each other (because there's no
functional difference between crashing some other application, and
sending some data to it) this is more or less the only way to go. You
could call the "box" something other than a "box", but it'd be the
same thing.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 80 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (mahen):
> ... and OS 5 will be much less amiga-ish than MorphOS/OS4 anyway ...
Mind you, we're talking about OS4 ... and I doubt you know to what extent OS5 will be based on OS4.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 81 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Anonymous):
Well, I didn't wait, the pegasos is my only computer today :)
Sure, I dunno how much time this will take, but the development of the
A/BOX will probably be re-used for the A/BOX, so it's not really a
problem...
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 82 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Johan Rönnblom):
Agreed. Problem is, morphos consists only of this one box.
How long did it take to get the emulation box ready?
How long will it take to get the qbox going?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 83 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Mike Bouma):
But Amithlon uses AmigaOS (68k). And will never evolve more.
As for the Quark kernel vs the ExecSG kernel, I don't know their
similarities with the original Exec. Anyone to enlighten me ?
Anyway, the QBOX seems cleaner than the OS4 in which you can enable or
not mem protection and break compatibility with most programs ?!
(nothing official though, some claim it's impossible, I have no clue
about that)
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 84 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Anonymous):
you're right, it's too far away. I don't think anyone knows anyway
what will be OS5. That's not the current problem.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 85 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Anonymous):
The ABOX (that you can call "emulation" box if you want) is almost
complete I think. You can use it with no pb.
The QBOX will I guess be developed progressively, reusing what has
been done for the ABOX (because we just want to get rid of the
limitations of the AOS after all).
But as the ABOX is ready, it's not a pb. You can use the OS right now.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 86 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Anonymous):
> The "box-approach" is a key concept of emulation designs. If youre workíng in the box what does memory protection help you when the entire box crashes??
It can make a difference, for example my "Amiga box" on WinUAE can crash as many times as it likes, I never have an invalidated disk, because the low level file system is on the Windows side.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 87 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (mahen):
> But Amithlon uses AmigaOS (68k). And will never evolve more.
It probably wont but due to other reasons, not due to unsolveable technical problems.
> As for the Quark kernel vs the ExecSG kernel, I don't know their
similarities with the original Exec. Anyone to enlighten me ?
One is ported to ppc and has some additional functions implemented? No serious, if youre interested in that you should browse the archives in os4-group at yahoo.
> Anyway, the QBOX seems cleaner than the OS4
The qbox can be considered "cleaner" in the sense that it breaks entirely with the past.
> in which you can enable or not mem protection and break compatibility with most programs ?!
> (nothing official though, some claim it's impossible, I have no clue
about that)
Yes, rumours. Memory protection is a tricky subject that can either be solved by force (qbox) or thought.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 88 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 08-Dec-2002 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Mike Bouma):
There's a difference between amorel being biased and you being biased.
Amorel doesn't claim to be a journalist.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 89 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Anonymous):
> Morphos is not gonna improve upon the a-box
I think you got it wrong here: morphOS with qbox and abox is exactly going into that direction: start with a compatibility environment (abox) and improve on that with expanding qbox. As long as they have a seamless migration path, that approach looks very sensible to me (seamless meaning abox and qbox applications on the same screen).
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 90 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Anonymous):
> It can make a difference, for example my "Amiga box" on WinUAE can crash as many times as it likes, I never have an invalidated disk, because the low level file system is on the Windows side.
;-)
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 91 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (mahen):
> But Amithlon uses AmigaOS (68k). And will never evolve more.
Yes, but one could rewrite components as x86 code. Although if this project will ever be revived (under another name) is up to Bernie himself of course. Ben stated that he is positive towards licenses for some AmigaOS4 components.
> As for the Quark kernel vs the ExecSG kernel, I don't know their
> similarities with the original Exec. Anyone to enlighten me ?
A big difference is that with MorphOS you actually have two kernel approach. Quark and on top of this the ABOX, which according to the MorphOS team includes a reimplementation of Exec.
Just like with regard to Amithlon this is invisible to the end-user, but technicly a far from optimal solution, regardless if it is very fast or not (in both Amithlon and MorphOS cases).
One important reason why this approach makes very much sense with regard to Amithlon, is that there are lots of drivers available for the underlying Linux kernel to take advantage of. As x86 hardware is widely available (most computer users already own a x86 box), but personally I wouldn't buy a dedicated box for neither Amithlon nor MorphOS.
> Anyway, the QBOX seems cleaner than the OS4 in which you can enable or
> not mem protection and break compatibility with most programs ?!
You will not have memory protection within ABOX neither. Similarly if AmigaOS crashes with regard to Amithlon, the underlying kernel will continue running, but this fact will not save AmigaOS from crashing itself.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 92 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Anonymous):
> As long as they have a seamless migration path, that approach looks very sensible to me (seamless meaning abox and qbox applications on the same screen).
And this is one point thats seems to have received no thought yet. Screen and window management, process communication between boxes? Depending on the developer such issues are either fun or nightmares.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 93 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Nathaniel Downes):
Since when are journalists not biased? Must have missed that.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 94 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Mike Bouma):
I can't imagine there would be "two kernels running" ?!
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 95 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 08-Dec-2002 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Mike Bouma):
There are folk that prefer MacOS 9.x over Mac OS X too. The AOS4 effort is very similar to the mechanism used to move MacOS over to PowerPC, actually almost identical. MorphOS, however, is taking the Mac OS X route, with a legacy-box for old applications and a new-box for developing new applications. (sure, the new box isn't implimented yet, but that will change with time)
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 96 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Dec-2002 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (mahen):
Pov.
Exec-replacement in the abox is an application to the quark kernel but a kernel to the abox.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 97 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Bouma on 08-Dec-2002 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Nathaniel Downes):
>> There's a difference between amorel being biased and you being biased.
>>Amorel doesn't claim to be a journalist.
Believe me CNN's reporting is biased, Reuters' reporting is biased, BBC's reporting is biased, etc. Anyone who claims to be unbiased is putting his own head into the sand. One can only *try* to be so as much as possible, and I do try!
A big difference is also that I don't have trouble admitting this, not to my readers and not to anyone else. I am an AmigaOS fan, which means I will articles from an AmigaOS fan perspective. If a product is useful to a Windows user or MacOS user, well I don't care much, I look if the product is useful to an AmigaOS fan and other interested individuals.
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 98 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by OcineL/ Morphos icons maker on 08-Dec-2002 13:51 GMT
> if you are ever going to write software for
> Morphos and plan to have equally good icons,
> you have your work laid out for you ;-)
So...
I'm making icons on morphos, if devellopers wants such icon I can make one or more for him. Please contact me if you want icons.
OcineL
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 99 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Anonymous):
Ah, maybe, anyone to confirm this ? You mean it's like something
which wrap exec functions to quark ? Are you sure about this,
that the Quark kernel isn't directly used ?
Amiga + Retro Computing 2002, first impressions : Comment 100 of 230ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 08-Dec-2002 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Mike Bouma):
Mike, anyway, AmigaOS being very old, there has much to be redone,
so making another amiga-ish OS from scratch (with compatibility) is
not a bad idea.
In both OS4 and MOS much has to be rewirtten, so, it would make both
of them "non amigaOS'es" because there would be too many differences
with the original, no ?
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