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Posted on 08-Dec-2002 11:07 GMT by Manou82 comments
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I've seen what the Amiga is and what it could be! Apparently the Amiga market is dead! (OK I will get flames for this but that's how I see it!) Hi folks

I've been at the Amiga Retro Show in Aachen on Saturday 7th Dec. At 11 o'clock in the morning there were only some visitors but after 13 o'clock there were really many (too many) visitors. A handfull of dealers selling either old or the latest software / hardware. On some dealers stands one could talk to some developers like Jürgen Schober. Most area was occupied by Thendic! Guy/girls they know how to attract the crowds!

As a hardcore Amiga fan since 1986 (I own 8 Amigas), I never really interested what Thendic does, so never really followed what the Pegasos is. So my way was up to the stand of KDH were Jürgen Schober showed a running Amiga One G3 with SUSE PPC LINUX. It's fast! Point! Faster than my iMAC (G3). Though it only ran with 50MHz because he installed the wrong RAM and had no cooling fan on the CPU. KDE 3 run as it should and also the installed OpenOffice works as expected. Boot time is OK for LINUX. But there was NO Amiga OS4. But I was told that it exists, Jürgen has a beta version of Amiga OS on his PPC card at home. And the only remaining problem is the 68k emulation to be integrated as it should be, there are some cahing 68k problems to be solved yet!

What about the hardware bug? Well the board shown had still the bug, but it doesn't show up while running! And the G3 boards which were sold at the KDH stand had the hardware bug alreday fixed. So there will be NO Amiga One boards sold with bug. Point!

The G4 board has been completely redesigned, with NO bug either.

I was told by some developers and dealers that Amiga OS 4 will come soon, End December or January 2002/2003.

The other (yes there were 2 Amiga ONE G3 running) Amiga One was demoed at the stand of www.amiga-news.de. This one had the bug-fixed boar installed. So it did ran the same Linux. But already had the new Amiga ONE Logo pasted on the front panel.

Then I went over to the big stand of Thendic. There were at least 20-30 super designed PC boxes (all made of polished metal, like some refrigirators, you know the very expensive ones!) wow these ones looked great! Each box had 2 front panels which slowly opened when pressed, like some expensive VCRs or Stereo HiFi racks. If Bang and Olufsen is the crème de la crème for Hifi rack designs than this is true for the PC boxes Thendic used! (Though they're NOT produced by Thendic, but by a french company). Oh yes there was even a microwave oven made of the same material, running MorphOS in the doorscreen. Really cool. I just asked myself what happens if one press the Reset button, will cooking RESET too ? :-)

In the morning the THENDIC area looked like a battle field. All boxes were opened with harddisk and Pegasos motherboards lying around! Why? Well I was told that these are the very new Pegasos boards wihth the April chip Bug fix. So Thendic isn't selling bugged board either! Point. These boards had been delivered by UPS on Friday evening at 19 o'clock! So the whole Thendic crew was assembling the PEGASOS computers during the show. At 12 o'clock I was in front of a PEGASOS computer when the last screw got fiexed: screen switched on, pressed the Power On button on the PEGASOS...then after 2-5 Seconds Morphos was running!!! Wow this is the fastest booting computer I've ever seen! Except for my Psion Netbook and my other Psions, but these really don't boot, just switch off the dsiplay.

MorphOS looks really very professional, 32bit icons and everything runs like we are used with Amiga OS. Though none of the machines I tried (3-5) crashed, some progs didn't run so good. Screen or better windows refresh was crippled. But I assume that's teh fault of the 2 progs I tried.

When I talked to one of the developers, he told me that the PEGASOS can also run MAC OS 10.2 (Jaguar) out of the box! Just insert the CD-ROM and you do have a real G3, G4 or double G4 MAC, which is running faster than a real MAC! Though Thendic isn't allowed to sell MAC OS but they are negociating with Apple on this subject, and things aren't looking so bad!

Of course you can also run PPC Linux on the Pegasos and also Windows! Yes Windows! That is all the Windows Display functions are emulated so that the real Win Prog runs on a Windows PC but the screen output and data input (keyboard, mouse...) comes from the PEGASOS.

There are also negociations to get QNX and BeOS running on the PEGASOS.

As you see the PEGASOS is an OPEN-OS-COMPUTER. One computer for all OS. Only the AMIGA OS 4 is missing. According to the Thendic crew it should be no problem to run it on the PEGASOS, but the problem is that Amiga Inc. only wants that ONLY AMIGA OS is running an a computer and NO OTHER OS, except LINUX. Amiga Inc is trying the same politics as Apple, but Amiga Inc. hasn't the power nor the money to do so!

The other great piece of hardware Thendic showed was the color WebCam. No bigger than a cigarette box, is can send its signal via coax video cable or ethernet or wireless lan or serial line or GPRS!!!! To any video or computer or mobile phone /PDA. The software running inside is MORPHOS.

Than I was told about the ECLIPSIS: It is the PEGASOS board but reduced to as PDA sized device. But it will be a special PDA, becuase you can run all the OSes I told above!!!! You are not forced to use PALM OS (which is only good for agenda functions, or PocketPC which is really useless, BTW the only really reliable PDA OS is SYMBIAN like Psion PDAs use or like 80 percent of all mobile phones use!!!) you can run MorphOS, LINUX or MAC or whatever is available for the PEGASOS. But it is not just a PDA but a real computer, with MP3 (stereo input/output sound) capabilities, which can be connected to any sound equipment, but also a complete video editing hardware with built in cam with the same features as the WebCam described above. OH yes it will have VGA output to 2 monitors!!!! And much more. Why do I write in future time? Well the ECLIPSIS is still at prototype stage that is it works if you run it from the PEGASOS computer, it's mini-ATX boards has yet to be reduced to PDA size. But the first PDA prototypes will be shown at the CeBIT 2003 and at the Comdex 2003 (autumn) and it will be available beginning 2004 fro around 500 Euro!!!

The future looks great for Thendic, because they use any situation to show there products and many non-Amiga developers want there computer, why one only needs one computer for many OS. Point.

As for Amiga Inc. the time is gone I'm afraid. Many of the developers and dealers I talked to or listened all said they think Amiga Inc. has NO money, so all work is done by other companies. Amiga Inc is just setting up a homepage with nice letters but no real products. So where are these AmigaAnywhere products for my Sharp Zaurus or Psion NetBook that were demoed many months ago? Why does Amiga OS 4 take so long? Well Amiga Inc hasn't the money to to anything. IMHO Amiga Inc will go to Thendic and allow them to use Amiga OS 4.

And why is the Amiga market dead? Everybody bought some products at the Retro show, but there was nothing really new, except the new mainboards. I have bought a new front panel for my original A3000T, some progs and I'm waiting to my OS4 and G4 :-) Bye Manou

Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 51 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 09-Dec-2002 01:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (cOrpse):
>WineLib can be ported to different OSes ( i did start to try and get it to
>compile under GG , didn't get far tho ) and can then be used to recompile
>pure C/C++ ( e.g. no x86 assembly )sources that use the Win32 API without
>much modification; Very similar to ixemul.
I realize that, but it wouldn't run the desired Win32/X86 software.
It's better off with cloned MacOS(re-implemention) APIs for PPC platform.
>But for running X86 windows apps wine has to be running on an x86 ... as its
>a re-implemention of the windows API and not a "windows emulator" ( including
>CPU emulation ).
Of course, unless you want to clone a Windows NT 4.0 for PPC (minus X86 emulation).
>MorphOS does have a port of Boches IIRC so it is possible to run x86 os'es >and apps under morphOS , but not very fast ;).
I have setup a Bochs installation on my 1.7Ghz Athlon XP test machine, and it's too slow with modern software (it’s quite nice for “hit the metal” DOS programs).
Without at least JIT (and native API port), Boches is just too slow for running mainstream X86/Win32 software.
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Posted by Ron van Herk on 09-Dec-2002 06:48 GMT
>The other (yes there were 2 Amiga ONE G3 running) Amiga One was demoed at the >stand of www.amiga-news.de. This one had the bug-fixed boar installed. So it >did ran the same Linux. But already had the new Amiga ONE Logo pasted on the >front panel.
Hi,
I am sorry to disappoint you, but this machine was ours (Computer City) and it's board is just a plain standard G3-SE version, WITH the bug...
As for the first machine, 50 MHz.???? The wrong ramtype slowing it down?
Are you sure of this????
Cheers,
Ron
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 53 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 09-Dec-2002 06:52 GMT
I keep reading that people are wanting Pegasos with Amiga OS4. While I'm all about choices, I just don't know why that seems so much more attractive than having either an AmigaOne or Pegasos MOS system. Is it because it would symbolise cooperation between the two camps? Is it because MOS, having been demonstrated more (and also apparently further in development) has lost the sex appeal battle to the mysterious (and Amiga branded) OS4? Or is it because the AmigaOne doesn't have the "April chip" and therefore might suffer from the problems this chip is supposed to address? I'm just curious because I haven't heard a single instance of someone desiring a MOS/AmigaOne combo. I certainly do hope it has more to do with technical merits than with branding or the individuals involved.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 54 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Akaru on 09-Dec-2002 06:58 GMT
Bwah ha ha ha ha, runs windows and mac and linux and everything, thats so funny, in negotiations with apple, oh man I think I'm going to wet myself.
What they really mean is we have written librarys that allow linux software to be recompiled, and have recompiled wine and using a x86 emulator they can run windows apps, something that could be done on any system, equally they are no doubt using some updated version of sheepshaver to emulate the macintosh, again nothing new on pegasos. The kinds of negotiations apple has with those kinds of requests are the laugh in face then slam door type, they didn't kill the mac clone market for no reason.
Oh man if I was impressed by every two-bit company that can put a motherboard in a pretty case i'd be impressed by every con artist out there.
Considering the amount of crap that was said to the guy who done the review I wouldn't be interested in a pegasos.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 55 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Jope on 09-Dec-2002 07:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (takemehomegrandma):
>Hmm ... (Me visualizing a x86 computer on a PCI card) :-D
That's been done many times.. First there were ISA card PCs, and now that PCI is king, those exist too.
A quick google search (single card pci computer) brought up this, among others:
http://www.acrosser.com/products/index-single-board-computer.htm
There are many more. These are for industrial use, and are plugged into blank ISA or PCI backplanes.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 56 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Jope on 09-Dec-2002 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (CnlPepper):
Please tell me where I can find a version of Citrix ICA Client for 68k Amigas?
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 57 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by DaveMcK on 09-Dec-2002 08:17 GMT
Can someone please give me a URL of where I can find a few screenshots of MorphOS running? (Including it's workbench clone?)
Thanks in advance,
Dave.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 58 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 09-Dec-2002 10:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Lando):
[about why debug output is enabled on shows]
I agree actually.. it's not hard to turn off debug output. It could
easily be done before shows. Next time? :)
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 59 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Mynou BILLA on 09-Dec-2002 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Ron van Herk):
Hi
I was told that the Amiga One at the www.amiga-news.de stand hat had
the bug free versioninstalled. Sorry.
Well the 50MHz should be 500 MHz!!
Typo error. My A3000T Keyboard needs a replacement! :-)
Bye Manou.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 60 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Manou BILLA on 09-Dec-2002 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Akaru):
I didnät said that I believe everything I was told or shown, but I did
just write WHAT I was told!
And the guy did not speak of emulation when mentioning the MAC but you
do have a ral MAC running MAC OS 10.2 and it only works with that
version of the MAC OS.
It's true that Apple doesn't want GENESI to sell PEGASOS with MAC OS
but you can can a PEGASOS much cheaper than a MAC, buy a copy of
the MAC OS and you do have a MAC. Thats what this GENESI guy told the
people. And that GENESI were in touch with an APPLE manager who is
very open to the OPEN-OS-COMPUTER idea.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 61 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 09-Dec-2002 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Manou BILLA):
"And that GENESI were in touch with an APPLE manager who is very open to the OPEN-OS-COMPUTER idea. "
That really sounds like Apple. 8)
Well, world changes... but...
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 62 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 09-Dec-2002 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Manou BILLA):
"OPEN-OS-COMPUTER"
and what exactly is an "open os computer" ?
my definition : BS.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 63 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 09-Dec-2002 11:52 GMT
About the open OS thing....
Last spring I read that MOS will ship with every pegasos board, no exceptions allowed.
Is that not the case anymore?
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 64 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 09-Dec-2002 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Mike Bouma):
>Amiga/Hyperion/Mai/Eyetech would like to see as many reasons for people to buy
>this hardware as possible, so this would include any 3rd party operating system
>without exceptions.
And I thougt the plan was to sheild AmigaOS users from other evil operating systems! Wasn't that the main reason not to port OS4 to x86?
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 65 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Gabriele Greco on 09-Dec-2002 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Casey R Williams):
Because actually you can compare PegasOS and AmigaONE, and see that PegasOS it's smaller, has a better design and also a few features AmigaONE miss, like for instance firewire (at least the mobos I've seen at Pianeta Amiga 2002). You cannot make similar comparisons with OS4 and MorphOS since the first one is still in an internal beta stage while the second one it's available both as public beta and in the Amiga fairs...
IMHO most people supports AmigaOS4 not only for the Amiga brand, but also because they see that MorphOS lacks most features a modern operative system has out of the box and they hope AOS4 will have this stuff. (a modern browser, a decent e-mail client with html support, a complete network layer, a robust filesystem, memory protection...)
I mean, people hope to see an Amigalike OS at least as much usable as a recent Windows version or a modern linux distro... and this is not true (nor possible) for MorphOS 1.0 and will probably be not true also for AOS 4.
Bye,
Gabry
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 66 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 09-Dec-2002 13:06 GMT
"Than I was told about the ECLIPSIS: It is the PEGASOS board but reduced to as PDA sized device. But it will be a special PDA, becuase you can run all the OSes I told above!!!!"
Is this anything more than just vapour yet?
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 67 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 09-Dec-2002 13:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (hammer):
There are already someone (from the WinE-team) that try to implement the x86 emulation of Bochs into WinE :O)
And yes, without the x86-emulation it would "only" be able to run "all" the WinNT4.0PPC software - if you are able to find something ;O)
This could be the W-BOX ;O)
I would like to see WinE+BochsX86-emulation on AmigaOS+MorphOS, just to be able to use some of the software that isn't going to be ported :O)
And the positive thing about the "slow" x86-emulation would be that non would use Windows-software, if it isn't needed ;O)
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 68 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Anony Maus on 09-Dec-2002 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (cOrpse):
> and what exactly is an "open os computer" ?
A x86 PC is a Open OS Computer because it can every OS whis ch is available for x86. Btw. there are more diffrent OSes available for x86 then for the famous Pegasos Open OS computer.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 69 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 09-Dec-2002 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Anony Maus):
So an open-os computer is one that doesn't have a rom based operating system ... so pratically every computing platform available.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 70 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by manou billa on 09-Dec-2002 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Anony Maus):
Well any computer is open-os! :-)
On my Amigas I run AMIGA OS, MSDOS, CP/M, ATARI TOS, MAC OS, MAME ...
On my PeeCee I run Win XP, Win 2000, Linux Mandrake 9.x
On my Psion I run Symbian, LINUX
On my iMAC: MAC OS 9 and X and testing LINUX
On my Sharp ZAURUS: LINUX and OpenZaurus
Hey my C=64 had its OS in ROM but still could run GEOS :-)
It is just that GENESI is going to sell it as something new, because
99% of the computer usrs today think Microsoft and Windows.
Bye Manou
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Posted by cOrpse on 09-Dec-2002 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (manou billa):
"It is just that GENESI is going to sell it as something new, because
99% of the computer usrs today think Microsoft and Windows."
Genesi not going to sell very much if they have to coin buzzwords that can be applied to just about every competing product in their target market.
Saying you can run any os you like on it like a car dealer saying "yes you can drive it on roads !..any road you like! ( law permitting )" , it's something you expect and not something you need wrapped in sugar coating to understand.
Seems Genesi like to give fancy names to very un-intressing things to make them seem not-so common place, then fools post news items about these great innovations that turn out to be worthless.
April(TM) - fancy name for something that fixes what shouldn't have been there in the first place bah!
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 72 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Akaru on 09-Dec-2002 19:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Manou BILLA):
S'ok I wasn't having a go at you. Thanks for the information.
Whilst the Pegasos is a great piece of hardware I am wondering why I would want multiple G4's to not only run morphos and no applications but run windows linux and macos worse than I can already run them.
This is obviously the advance of technology I can barely see it now receding into the distance.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 73 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Dec-2002 20:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Manou BILLA):
>No according to GENESI Amiga Inc. only wants Amiga OS to run on computers
>which are not able to run other OS
I'd like to know the details on this __ACCORDING TO AMIGA INC__. Strange, this comment, as the AmigaOne already runs and ships with Linux PPC. Remember, the AmigaOne badge is a licensed badge, trademark, and the right to run AmigaOS. Eyetech will be selling the same motherboard without the AmigaOne badge on it, and without the AmigaOS dongle code, being the only two differences from the Linux "version". Surely the dongle code used to allow AmigaOS to run won't also be used to prevent anything else from running... With everything else being identical to the Linux version Teron board, how do other OSes fail to work?
Surely Eyetech wants to sell as many as they can and they have already stated that Amiga users are a small part of Teron board customers.Why would Eyetech want to sell ONLY to that small part of the potential global market, and not sell to the larger parts? It's simply not sane.It doesn't make any sense whatsoever for Eyetech to limit their boards to ONLY run AmigaOS and absolutely nothing else.
Genesi might like people to believe this limitation, but I can't accept it to be true without hearing Amiga Inc.say this is true. It just doesn't make sense and doesn't seem to be in anyone's best interest (not even Amiga Inc's) to do that, it only makes sense as part of a FUD campaign against Amiga.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 74 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Ron van Herk on 09-Dec-2002 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Mynou BILLA):
Hi,
>I was told that the Amiga One at the www.amiga-news.de stand hat had
>the bug free versioninstalled. Sorry.
No problem! I wish it had, but it will be fixed soon! :-)
>Well the 50MHz should be 500 MHz!!
>
>Typo error. My A3000T Keyboard needs a replacement! :-)
Yeah I suspected that :-)
Cheers,
Ron
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 75 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 09-Dec-2002 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
>There are already someone (from the WinE-team) that try to implement the x86
>emulation of Bochs into WinE :O)
I recall, SoftWindows product is a combination of _JIT X86_ emulation and native port Windows APIs (from official MS Windows licensed source code).
We also know WinE is half as slow compared to official MS’s Win32/DirectX layers. (Refer to tomshardware’s WineX vs Windows2000 benchmarks).
Bochs/WinE group may have to face MS's rumored move to re-assimilate (now armed with VP like dotNET technologies) other 64 bit CPU platforms. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4639
>And yes, without the x86-emulation it would "only" be able to run "all" the
>WinNT4.0PPC software - if you are able to find something ;O)
It wouldn't run "all" since NT itself has additional APIs to win32 APIs.
>I would like to see WinE+BochsX86-emulation on AmigaOS+MorphOS, just to be >able to use some of the software that isn't going to be ported :O)
That wouldn’t be cost effective IF you want to run Windows stuff. It would be cheaper just buying a cheap X86 PC. One could look at Softwindow’s experience for estimating the speed Bochs/WinE (don’t forget at least half the speed).
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 76 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 09-Dec-2002 23:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (hammer):
hammer wrote:
"We also know WinE is half as slow compared to official MS’s Win32/DirectX layers. (Refer to tomshardware’s WineX vs Windows2000 benchmarks)."
With WineX you are talking about gaming!
I use WinE on my 333MHz PII and it runs the aplications that I need at a fine speed :O)
I didn't say that it would run great, but it would still be nice to have!
And about PPC WinNT 4.0, I have read on the WinE website some time ago that WinE runs/"would run" PPC WinNT 4.0 aplications! I will try to find it, and will post if I find it again :O)
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 77 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 09-Dec-2002 23:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
Here are some links about PPC-WinE:
http://www.winehq.org/news/?view=73#A%20Wine%20PPC%20port
http://www.winehq.org/news/?view=80#Linux%20on%20PPC%20(and%20OSX)
I'm sure that I also have read something this year, but I can not find it right now, and I don't have so much time :O(
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 78 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 09-Dec-2002 23:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
Found it ;O)
http://www.winehq.org/news/?view=133#PPC%20/%20MacOS%20X%20Support
but it doesn't look that usefull :O(
but would be funny to try ;O)
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 79 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Phill on 10-Dec-2002 00:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Christophe Decanini):
Developers that can't easily disable debugging output for a demo, not thats interesting. Of course they may have it enabled so they can blame the speed on debugging output or it might not be enabled at all.
Whatever, it shows a lack of something somewhere.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 80 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by david on 10-Dec-2002 17:58 GMT
No Symbian cannot replace the desktop because it has horrible graphics and sound. (12-bit sound 256 color graphics) Unless someone plugs a 3d chip in one, it won't replace the desktop! (And's why is there no Stigma for color?)
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 81 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 11-Dec-2002 06:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (david):
Hmmm... Symbian OS has not been meant to replace the desktop.
Other than that... there are companies developing 3D accelerators for mobile devices, Symbian OS is not locked to 12bit audio or 256color screen. Actually I have used 4096 color symbian OS phones.
Anyway... Symbian OS is not meant to be a desktop OS, same way as intent is not meant to be a desktop OS.
Amiga Retro Aachen : Comment 82 of 82ANN.lu
Posted by Manou Billa on 11-Dec-2002 13:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (david):
Symbian is not meant to run on Desktops!
It is not limited to 12 sound and 256 colors!!!
The new SonyEricsson P800 has 65000 colors and runs on symbian.
My Netbook runs with 4096 colors etc.
Symbian is an OS for mobile computers be it PDAs, handhelds or mobile phones.
It has many features, (like Excel, Word and Access compatibel Progs), much more than PalmOS, or even PocketPC.
Symbian PDAs run like a true computer one doesn't need a Desktop PC to install progs (like Palm or PocketPC) or to print!
With Symbian PDA just send from any Prog your Data via IRDA or Serial/Parallel cable to any printer.
Besides the many built in features it has touchscreen and keyboard support, that is the complete computer can be accessed via buttons and keyboards (cursor keys) instead of the touchscreen: great if your are walking or driving: try to run and use a Palm or PocketPC prog when walking or driving! A Pain!
But the best feature of Symbain is that it is rock stable!
Of all my Psions I have (since 4-5 years) NOT one crashed once!!! That doesn't mean it won't crash (NO OS is crash proof), but it's rock stable.
because of these features Symbian is used in all the new mobile phones (18 new phones are coming this season to the market)
Check http://www.symbian.com for more info.
My Psion Revo, netbook and Osaris in are running and heaviliy used everyday!
My Psion 5mx Pro run even 20 hours on 2 AA Batteries.
So much for the Symbian OS.
Bye Manou
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