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Posted on 10-Dec-2002 00:23 GMT by Andreas C. Schmidt23 comments
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The german computer news site Heise published an information on Terrasoft selling ATX-mainboards (german only) starting january 2003.

This ATX mainboard is the well-known TeronCX coming from Mai, which is also known as the AmigaOneG3-SE - or according to Eyetech which as almost the same.

Interesting detail is, that Terrasoft, sells this mainboard for less than 600,- EUR (including 16% german VAT) rendering it cheaper than the AmigaOne. Furthermore Terrasoft will ship their boards for only US$ 28,- ! The cheapest AmigaOneG3 in Germany costs EUR 686,- (without shipping).

Without any doubt the AmigaONE will only be a success if it also sells to other markets than the Amiga-market - but how will Eyetech be able to sell AmigaONE-boards to non Amiga-customer (e.g. Linux-PPC users) if an equal board is a lot cheaper ? And what about the "exclusive" distribution rights in Europe, Eyetech claims to have ?

Alan Redhouse, please wake up, and start acting *SERIOUSLY* or otherwise the rest of the Amiga will surely vansih - just like Eyetech, if it does not make any profit anymore !

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Posted by Björn Hagström on 10-Dec-2002 05:32 GMT
Does Alan usually write anything on Ann ?
/Björn
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Posted by catohagen on 10-Dec-2002 06:58 GMT
>but how will Eyetech be able to sell AmigaONE-boards to non Amiga-customer (e.g. >Linux-PPC users) if an equal board is a lot cheaper ?
They dont sell AmigaOne board to non amiga users....You only need to buy an amigaone
if you want to run OS4..
Eyetech will sell non-OS4 boards for a cheaper price that AmigaOne to linux users..
The AmigaOne are modifyed to prevent users from buying linux boards to run OS4..
but I thought this was all common knowledge by now ?
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 10-Dec-2002 08:08 GMT
"We know what Eyetech pays for the Teron/A1; we know what the A1 distributors pay. We would be willing to match the prices all around less 5% and provide an immediate solution to the community. We make the Pegasos. Eyetech does not. We have many of the same distributors. We can compensate Allan Redhouse through his success (something he is clearly about to loose with YDL Teron pricing). Hyperion too."
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Posted by catohagen on 10-Dec-2002 09:40 GMT
"If you guys haven't noticed there has been a significant investment
here -- lots of money going out and none coming in. The Amiga market
and the 200 regular visitors to the common watering holes (ANN,
amiga.org, etc.) is NOT the future. We need new people here. That
should be our focus.
R&B "
Where do Genesi advertise their boards to linux users and the new people
Buck says they need ?
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Posted by anarchic_teapot on 10-Dec-2002 09:52 GMT
Before sounding off about what other people "must" do, please remember two things:
- Eyetech are European distributors for the Teron CX/PX (ie the Linux-only boards), _as well as_ worldwide distributors for the AmigaOne
- It has been announced, though perhaps not trumpeted from the rooftops in the style of some, that the Linux-only board *will* be commercialised by Eyetech, and that it will be cheaper than the AmigaOne, because there's no Amiga licensing included.
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Posted by Anonymous on 10-Dec-2002 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
"Eyetech will sell non-OS4 boards for a cheaper price that AmigaOne to linux users..
The AmigaOne are modifyed to prevent users from buying linux boards to run OS4.. "
Jeez, the A1 + AOS4 is a rip-off then.
Not only do you pay quite a lot for the OS, BUT you also pay an additional 86 Euro for the "anti-piracy" kludge.
Hmmmmm... So to the price of AOS4 you need to add 86Euro to get the REAL sale price of AOS4, folks.
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Posted by gary_c on 10-Dec-2002 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
That's right. The dongle isn't to protect Amiga, Inc. and Hyperion (who would benefit from shrinkwrapped sales); it's to lock Amiga users into Eyetech-supplied hardware, IMHO. Don't know what's going to happen with the AOS4 for PPC expansion boards, though. What protection scheme will enable AOS to run on them but not run on other PPC motherboards?
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Posted by JoannaK on 10-Dec-2002 15:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (catohagen):
They do have active resellers aroug the world (see their website) doing real everyday marketting, besides they go lots fairs and happenings. This Aachen was not only place they have been showing these products during this year, See:
http://www.thendic-france.com/TECH/US/products/pegasos/agenda.htm
18 happenings on last 4-5 months alone..
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Posted by coldfire on 10-Dec-2002 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (takemehomegrandma):
"We know what Eyetech pays for the Teron/A1; we know what the A1 distributors pay. We would be willing to match the prices all around less 5% and provide an immediate solution to the community. We make the Pegasos. Eyetech does not. We have many of the same distributors. We can compensate Allan Redhouse through his success (something he is clearly about to loose with YDL Teron pricing). Hyperion too."
Who is "WE"? I was under the impression DCE was manufacturing the pegasos....or am I off base here?
coldfire
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Posted by coldfire on 10-Dec-2002 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
I wonder though...can I use the terrasoft board to run MOS?
coldfire
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Posted by catohagen on 10-Dec-2002 17:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (JoannaK):
>http://www.thendic-france.com/TECH/US/products/pegasos/agenda.htm
>18 happenings on last 4-5 months alone..
Im not talking about amiga fairs....i mean advertising to mainstream users...
thats what Buck talked about...they need new people to their platform.
How many of those 18 happenings are Amiga related and dominated my amiga
users/dealers ?
Bill Buck said the 200 users of Ann/amiga.org is not their future, but
why is everything about Genesi/Thendic posted and discussed to death here ?
Why does Bill Buck post on open letter to the community and tells us
their board is the only-bug-free-powerpc board, and all the rest will fail
and doesnt fully work with G4's, Yellow Dog linux will crash and burn...
Why tell all that only here ? why not post Thendic announcements to other
computer related sites too ?
I would be happy to see Thendic/pegasos announcements in the rest of the
computer industry...
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Posted by IT's MEEEE!!! on 10-Dec-2002 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (coldfire):
Bplan using DCE facilities and infrastructure is making the boards, the boards are being shipped and managed by Genesi and subsidiaries. Genesi and the official resellers are the ones responsible for technical support, exchanges or fixes.
DCE is just manufacturing the boards for Genesi.
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Posted by JoannaK on 10-Dec-2002 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (catohagen):
">http://www.thendic-france.com/TECH/US/products/pegasos/agenda.htm
>18 happenings on last 4-5 months alone..
Im not talking about amiga fairs....i mean advertising to mainstream users...
thats what Buck talked about...they need new people to their platform."
IF I happen to be making a new computer like this.. I would not publish new system too widely before I could be fairly sure that system HW/SW works and there are some real good applications for it. It's getting close but IMHO not yet.
"How many of those 18 happenings are Amiga related and dominated my amiga
users/dealers ?"
Have not been on any of them so far, but I assume many EX amigians are todays active Linux users. So getting them to be interested about this machine ain't so bad idea. And IF those rumours hold they are already sold four(?) times as many pegasos to Linux as Mos users.
And with reletively small company with limited manufacturing/distribution and sales resouces there is no point on making huge adveriments or try to purchase Superbowl-halftime.
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Posted by David Scheibler on 10-Dec-2002 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (catohagen):
>Im not talking about amiga fairs....i mean advertising to mainstream users...
>thats what Buck talked about...they need new people to their platform.
You may have missed that Pegasos was demonstrated at a Linux fair in France and
at a BeOS meeting in Germany. Also Genesi will be at CeBIT and COMDEX next year.
>Why tell all that only here ? why not post Thendic announcements to other
>computer related sites too ?
Pegasos has already been reported about by c't and iX (heise) and by some
French magazines. Also Pegasos had been mentioned on various Mac and Linux news
sites.
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Posted by Rob on 10-Dec-2002 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (takemehomegrandma):
I am a robot. I am a robot. I am a robot. I am a robot. I am a
robot.
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Posted by David Scheibler on 10-Dec-2002 19:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (David Scheibler):
>You may have missed that Pegasos was demonstrated at a Linux fair in France
>and at a BeOS meeting in Germany. Also Genesi will be at CeBIT and COMDEX next
>year.
Oh I forgot that Pegasos was presented at a SecurityExpo in November in Paris.
(http://thendipo.alias.domicile.fr/us/show/expoprotec.htm)
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Posted by Rob on 10-Dec-2002 19:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (gary_c):
What protection scheme will enable AOS to run on them (Blizz/CyberPPC)
but not other PPC motherboards?
The Amiga's custom chipsets probably have something to do with this.
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Posted by JoannaK on 10-Dec-2002 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Rob):
Quite easy.. each PPC system is a quite a lot different inside.. so it won't work on other systems without major modifications.
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Posted by Seehund on 10-Dec-2002 19:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Rob):
> The Amiga's custom chipsets probably have something to do with this.
I believe what Gary meant was that nobody has mentioned anything about anti-piracy measures in AOS4-for-CS/BlizzPPC. This version of the OS will presumably be sold normally, as shrinkwrapped copies for users to install - but without *any* "protection". As far as we've heard, nothing is done to even make this version harder to pirate. It'll run on any CS/BlizzardPPC Amiga.
Piracy has clearly little or nothing to do with all this. IMO it's about inventing a special restricted "Amiga hardware market" for third party hardware out of the blue. This is perpetuating one of the most harmful things that has helped suffocating AmigaOS, although I'm sure the masochists will pipe up with "but that's the way it's always been for AmigaOS users, anything else is too good for us"...
I fully agree with Gary, there is no other apparent beneficiary in this stinking mess than the single distributor who provided "consultation" when it was first invented, and who automatically can call whatever past, current and future Teron boards they can sell "AmigaOnes" - Eyetech.
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Posted by CodeSmith on 10-Dec-2002 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Seehund):
Couldn't it have something to do with the fact that they believe that since you need an add-on card that plugs into your old hardware, and which costs almost as much as a brand-new motherboard, most people are just going to go for the "protected" option?
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Dec-2002 03:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (gary_c):
Gary_c
The Hal will need to be recoded to work on PPC mobos.
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Posted by Rob on 11-Dec-2002 06:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Seehund):
OK I see were you're coming from about shrink wrapped classic
versions, although it easier to put a dongle on unsold hardware than
on systems that have been with the users for years.
One point I will make though is that no manufacturer has approached
AInc for an OS4 hardware license and been refused. Unless this
happens theories about an exlusive deal with Eyetech are merely
speculation.
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Posted by NeRP on 11-Dec-2002 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Seehund):
Oh my God! AmigaOS can't breathe! It's going to suffocate! Just
like MacOS....
err....
Just like Mac and their closed proprietary system. They even manage
on abandoning their entire userbase every few years too :) They are
still around, and doing much better than AmigaOS.
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