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[Web] Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version).ANN.lu
Posted on 12-Dec-2002 10:13 GMT by M.Andersson22 comments
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The swedish Amigamagazine Azine has made a Q&A with Hans-Joerg Frieden (Hyperion) about their Quake2 port availiable online. You can read it here. The Q&A was originally published in Azine #2.
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 1 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by flop on 12-Dec-2002 10:07 GMT
Ups
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 2 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Dec-2002 10:08 GMT
ddd
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 3 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 12-Dec-2002 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Just for the record: the second CD no longer contains the mods, due to legal reasons.
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 4 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 12-Dec-2002 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Just for the record: the second CD no longer contains the mods, due to legal
>reasons.
Please elaborate.
Aren't the mods also under the GPL?
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 5 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 12-Dec-2002 11:09 GMT
Comment 3 & 4 has the same IP (134.58.253.129). Wierd.
/Björn
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 6 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 12-Dec-2002 11:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (darklite):
Mods can't be under GPL by definition.
They are governed by the Quake 2 EULA from ID Software.
Which is also the reason why we can't distribute the Quake 2 port with the mods on the same CD.
The ID EULA only allows distribution from end-user to end-user directly (ie not via dealers).
ID Software was quite insistent that we drop the mods from the main CD.
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 7 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 12-Dec-2002 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Björn Hagström):
Not really. We are using the same server.
There are more people doing so that I'm aware of.
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 8 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 12-Dec-2002 11:15 GMT
name: cisco-cache-4.kuleuven.ac.be
http://www.kuleuven.ac.be/english/
Humm, okey.
/Björn
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 9 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Ron van Herk on 12-Dec-2002 11:22 GMT
Hi,
If you wanna see it in action, check the messe-video btw. I had it running on my machine (a Pegasos, sorry Ben :-/ ) and it attracted quite some attention and enthousiasm! Great work!
Cheers,
Ron
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 10 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by M.Andersson on 12-Dec-2002 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Thanks for clarifying this!
(It made me wonder when I recieved a 3rd CD with the mods as I was told they would be on the Amiga-bin CD by Hans-Joerg)
/M.Andersson
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 11 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Wollert on 12-Dec-2002 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Ron van Herk):
Which ShowVideo?
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 12 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Rimmer on 12-Dec-2002 18:39 GMT
So how do you get hold of the mods now if they are not included on the CD?
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 13 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 12-Dec-2002 22:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Rimmer):
The Mods are on the Mods CD which you either get from the dealer or you can
request from Hyperion Entertainment, if the dealer did not include a Mod CD (free CD, available as long as stock lasts, only 1 CD per Quake 2 Amiga Buyer). They're just not on the same CD like the Quake 2 Amiga Executable.
There is an installer script included to make installing the Mods easy.
Steffen
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 14 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 12-Dec-2002 23:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Steffen Haeuser):
I confess to not having bought the game yet (I'll be getting it as soon as I receive OS4 as part of my Earlybird purchase), but if the mods CD is supposed to be free-as-in-beer, why not put the ISO in your web site and let dealers and broadband users get it themselves? (you could walk into your local Amiga shop with a blank CD and walk out with a mod CD). Is there some legal reason why you can't do this?
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 15 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Dec-2002 23:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
This is the CD which you'd already mastered, and could under no circumstances change right, Ben ? Which was why you couldn't include the Quake 2 source code, right? The source code which would easily fit onto CD2 and which you in fact explicitly chose not to include in order to run roughshod over user's rights [see also ongoing problems with Aminet]
See previous ANN article where Ben lies, then lies again, then after being shown to have lied claims it was a "misunderstanding" (that's right, Mr Hermans is a lawyer but he can't understand a clear and explicit license agreement until it is explained by ANN readers) and makes up a new and even bigger lie which he has now all but admitted to in this "correction".
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 16 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by q on 13-Dec-2002 02:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (CodeSmith):
Swedish Amiga-dealer GGS-Data (www.ggsdata.se) has it online here:
ftp://quake:quake@213.65.89.128/mods.img
-q
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 17 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 13-Dec-2002 02:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (q):
Sweet! thanks :)
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 18 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 13-Dec-2002 06:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Why the hostility towards Mr Herman? This shouldn't be an issue in this thread...
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 19 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 13-Dec-2002 08:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
We're complying fully with the GPL license and explicitly reaffirmed by the FSF.
Anybody who wants to obtain the source-code CD (which contains the Quake 2 source-code as well as the source-code of numerous mods) can do so.
Some have actually already done so since quite some time.
The EULA issue regarding the mods is completely unrelated to the GPL issue and incidentally, no Quake 2 CD was ever shipped to an CD user with the mods on it.
So no "remastering" took place.
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 20 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Burström on 13-Dec-2002 08:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Mr silly anonymous,
Why don't you spell it out instead: Please Mr Ben, lend me a CD so I can pirate it for whatever reasons I wish.
I cannot understand why idiots like you exists! Go read the GPL before you come back. Also by make sure to read Mr Stallmans free software philosophy before you open your mouth again. Most of us are sick of you anonymous covards who doesn't have a clue what you are talking about!
regards,
Stefan Burström
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Posted by derf on 13-Dec-2002 09:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
well i suppose theres only one thing for this ;)
PROVE IT!
:D
now for the rest of us sane people, what is so wrong with downloading mods ????
i have done it for years, but i suppose that is the PC way of doing it so must be bad ;)
Small Q&A about Quake2 for Amiga (Hyperions version). : Comment 22 of 22ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 13-Dec-2002 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (CodeSmith):
CodeSmith: I think by releasing already 15 Quake 2 Mods for free download (and two more
coming every week) I do not have to listen to accusations that I'd not do something
for the "Free"-Community. In no way I am required to make anything for free
download. And after the way people from the "free" community acted towards me
I am definitely less inclined to release ANYTHING - whatever it is - for free
download.
Steffen Haeuser
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