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Posted on 12-Dec-2002 22:37 GMT by 25 comments
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According to CompUSA website, Microsoft Poket Pack for Pocket PC, now shipping, contains one "Amiga game" the Crossword Puzzle.

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AmigaDE content ships with Microsoft Pocket Pak : Comment 1 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 12-Dec-2002 21:59 GMT
Well that's certainly a start! No Boing ball on the pack, but revenue is revenue:-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Dec-2002 22:01 GMT
I dont think they will make a fortune selling one crossword puzzle!
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Posted by KenH on 12-Dec-2002 22:08 GMT
Surely the card has a DE player on it...thus allowing portability which is what MS want.
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Posted by JoannaK on 12-Dec-2002 22:12 GMT
Ah, that was that link.. I had seen that before but I was not sure how am I supposed to react on this one I actually lost link before posting it here.

In one way it's good to see AmigaInc's DE dream come true (even by so tiny amount), but at the same time I feel sad for those Amiga developers who have spend many hours for making Amiga software, now to be sold only by M$ in their gamepacs (for M$ PDA:s only).
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Posted by cOrpse on 12-Dec-2002 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (JoannaK):
"In one way it's good to see AmigaInc's DE dream come true (even by so tiny amount), but at the same time I feel sad for those Amiga developers who have spend many hours for making Amiga software, now to be sold only by M$ in their gamepacs (for M$ PDA:s only)."

Think of it like this ... Theres 2 sides of Amiga inc : One will produce PDA games for a regular cash flow to keep their heads above water , The other will contract *amiga* companies like Hyperion to continue the *amiga* legacy.

Basically Amiga inc uses the name to push some quite un-*amiga* products , but in return Amiga OS gets a chance of survival.

And for Amiga OS and compatiables to even have a chance of lasting more then a couple years more we need some fresh software development ... but thats a pain in the arse; I've got about 3 hacked-up ports that just about completly work but only a few people have a full geekgadgets install to take advantage of them :(
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Posted by Janne on 12-Dec-2002 23:08 GMT
Here is the website of Rapture, the ones making most of the games on the Microsoft Pocket Pak.

http://www.rapturetech.com/
AmigaDE content ships with Microsoft Pocket Pak : Comment 7 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 12-Dec-2002 23:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (cOrpse):
"Basically Amiga inc uses the name to push some quite un-*amiga* products , but in return Amiga OS gets a chance of survival. "

I would accept this IF AmigaInc actually paid something to Hyperion for porting that OS, but no such thing happens. They juat wait for Hyperion (and Eyetech) to make a product that would make them more money due licenses.

So all this Trinker sales (coupons, Tshirts, etc.. ) are just their moneymaking while hoping for rescue.
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Dec-2002 01:40 GMT
Can't help myself, but this sounds quite stupid.
Amiga now known for crossword puzzles in 2002, oh my...
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Posted by priest on 13-Dec-2002 06:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
No. Especially if they pay the developer their share.
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Posted by Anony Mouse on 13-Dec-2002 06:48 GMT
Wow. One Game for Pocket PC. Thats Exciting.
Amiga AnyWindows rocks. I'm so ecited.
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Posted by Humm on 13-Dec-2002 09:17 GMT
This is so sad .. time for Amiga Inc. to shutdown .. they have NOTHING to do with the original AMIGA anymore .. they don't even participate at the traditional Amiga fair in Germany any more .. NO, NOBODY did this before - EVERY fair in November/December had a presence of the current Amiga owner .. this is a FIRST! And it definately shows how much Amiga, Inc. cares about us Amigans. Lack of time, eh? Or lack of money ??? So where are the new phone numbers??? Well, it must suck to have one's office in the living room .. bad for Bill, worse for Amigans ..
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Posted by derf on 13-Dec-2002 09:19 GMT
my new early new years resoloution....

dont feed the trolls, but especially ones that make me laugh with their spelling ;)
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Posted by AlBolone on 13-Dec-2002 11:23 GMT
There's nothing really left to do but to smile generously ... I really don't feel like trolling at all, but just stating the truth a little: Whatever they do over there, they do it for 3 years now (yes, they took over in the beginning of 2000)! And I find the result of those 3 years of "hard work" (as they say) a bit dissapointing, not to say laughable. There are quite a bit of software companies in the Amiga market with less capacity and less money than Amiga Inc., but who had way more output over the last three years ... somebody explain this phenomena to me, please! Besides missing products (all the DE games were not done by AInc!) I strongly miss a strong leadership of the brand Amiga, the market and the community. Instead the market totally broke away, the community splits worse than ever and still nobody quite knows what to expect from Bill & Co. ... It's a tragically sad fact, that all credit for support and activities over the last 3 years must go to a lot of third parties BUT Amiga Inc. !

And anyone who's blaming for trolling or whatsoever better stays away from those pills ... we're in the IT business, hello!!
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Dec-2002 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Are you that stupid or what ? Who said they are going to sell only that game ? it's a start, you need to start with something. After things have started rolling you can add more stuff.
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Dec-2002 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anony Mouse):
Are you that stupid or what ? Who said they are going to sell only that game ? it's a start, you need to start with something. After things have started rolling you can add more stuff.
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Dec-2002 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
>Are you that stupid or what ? Who said they are going to sell only that game ?
>it's a start, you need to start with something. After things have started
>rolling you can add more stuff.

And so the apologist waltzes in... Clinging on to a technicality, that on the surface may be true, but when put into context only reveals how little and how terribly unimpressive the track-record for Amiga Inc. has been.

"After things have started rolling..." My friend, things started rolling three years ago for Amiga Inc.

The only things we have seen is them releasing third party mediocre PDA games (that they didn't write) with abysmal sales, a third party SDK bundle with custom-made packaging and some NDA/SDA updates, and the AmigaDE Player (with a third-party engine and custom made, very mediocre, user interface) as well as some, mostly botched, deals. Oh, and they let others do OS4 and the One after failing to get anything done in that regard themselves.

Let us at least look at this picture like it is. Amiga Inc. have delivered absolutely nothing impressive. Sure, they've stayed afloat which is impressive considering how little they have offered, but that is hardly something to worship. They are a company, not a religion. On the other hand we have maybe half a dozen great Amiga related companies out there generating products, some exciting, some less so. They are the true champs of this market.

Amiga Inc. have truly failed to capture the opportunity the money they got from venture capitalists bought them. This is not saying they can't do anything in the future, perhaps they can and will - I hope they at least have something impressive hidden in their R&D labs for the DE - but after these three years they hardly deserve any support from us. Let them earn it for once...

As for me, I will judge them like any company with a track-record like this. Bring some exciting products to the market, something worthy of the Amiga name, and I'll buy. Otherwise, I'll keep my money and support to myself - or use them to support some cause worthier of support.

The time for talk is over. Now the products will speak for themselves.
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Dec-2002 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
A start ?
3 years after having bought the Amiga IPs, selling a game for a Microsoft Pocket PC you call that a start ?

They should have better concentrate on their market : the Amiga classic during the first months and help having a new official machine asap. That would have made some money back. And then things wuld have been different.

Now all the people I knew on Amiga in 2000 have now a PC, I'm the last with my A4000 + PPC. Pretty good result after 3 years. All they did was "please wait". But anybody owning the Amiga since Commodore dismise did "please wait". McEwen and Moss are the same crap people than Gateway and Escom. Amiga wasted...

DE will lead nowhere and certainly not to the restore of the Amiga.
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Dec-2002 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
A start ?
3 years after having bought the Amiga IPs, selling a game for a Microsoft Pocket PC you call that a start ?

They should have better concentrate on their market : the Amiga classic during the first months and help having a new official machine asap. That would have made some money back. And then things wuld have been different.

Now all the people I knew on Amiga in 2000 have now a PC, I'm the last with my A4000 + PPC. Pretty good result after 3 years. All they did was "please wait". But anybody owning the Amiga since Commodore dismise did "please wait". McEwen and Moss are the same crap people than Gateway and Escom. Amiga wasted...

DE will lead nowhere and certainly not to the restore of the Amiga.
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Posted by NeRP on 13-Dec-2002 20:18 GMT
Yeah! They should waste their money flying around the world showing
nothing and making a speech of things to come!

Yes! Blow more smoke up our asses!

This owner of the Amiga has kept the Amiga name longer than most, and
has actually done the most with it

Anything to keep in business is fair in this point of the game.
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Dec-2002 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (NeRP):
I'm sorry but you're insane.

The goal is not to hold the name and make it live, the aim is to produce an OS, a machine, promote them, sell them and make profits. Anything else is waste.

At the time (early 2000) they should have financed the release of AmijoeCard G3 or Blizzard/Cyberstorm G3/G4 for existing machines then help the first OS for PPC on an emulator basis (a sort of Amithlon for PPC). That would have made the first money.
Then, the foundations for a new machine were ready and it would have been time for a first rewrite of the OS in native PPC code, Hyperion, Epic, Titan would have release some new games, H&P and others would have released some productivity software and so on.

If that would have been done, today there would be something. Instead we have two "ready" machines with no software, and hardly a handful of developers.
And Amiga Inc is dying by lacking money.
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Posted by butterwheat on 14-Dec-2002 01:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
I always said that Tonka Toy Company should buy Amiga, least that way they get advertised and mass marketed... oh.. ok.. the next Amiga might have a set of big black plastic tires under each case and a dump truck bed on the side... but at least the name would make it to the far reached of the populations...

Which is where the names needs to be.... it sucks to have to run into a bunch of people on a game forum I go to and have to sit there and explain what an Amiga is. Hey! If Amiga wants to produce a Fruit Soda drink... I'm with them! Anything else they want to pump out that will help advertise the name and build the company up a little more, so they can earn money and make better machines... I'd be for it.

The following is a list of ideas...

Amiga Burgers...
Amiga Cars and Trucks... (Built.. Amiga-tough!)
Amiga Animal Crackers....
Amiga Board game...
Amiga... the movie! (starring NeRP, sh33p, Dave Haynie, and Cooksey. plot: watch as NeRP and sh33p go on a quest to save Dave Haynie from the clutches of the Cooksey-monster...)
Amiga action figures....

You name it babe!

Here's what I've been waiting 10 years for....... to hear the name Amiga said once.. on CNN! Everytime they do some story about the history of computers, I'm always left clinching my fists in anger when the report ends and there was no mention of Amiga at all.
This crap reminds me of some history stories about how the Egyptian Pharohs always removed the names of people they didn't like from temples, artwork, and tablets to prevent future generations from ever knowing about those people.
Why does this sound familiar? HMMMMM Maybe because Microsuck doesn't want anyone to even know this computer ever existed? Who knows?
Instead of griping about what Amiga includes in a software package... how about coming up with MORE ideas in helping spread the name and the history around a bit?


An old advertising method: "The more times a name is mentioned in public, the more famous it becomes."

The name Amiga is not a household word around the globe....................

THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE BABY! Muhahaha :)))))
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 14-Dec-2002 19:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
>I would accept this IF AmigaInc actually paid something to Hyperion for
>porting that OS, but no such thing happens. They juat wait for Hyperion (and
>Eyetech) to make a product that would make them more money due licenses.

Yeah, but as it stands now Hyperion stands to make more money since they took all the risk. If Hyperion agreed to it then how can you slack off Amiga inc?!? So far I haven't heard a single complaint from Hyperion or EyeTech so I don't see a problem. I think Amiga Inc did the right thing. Perhaps if they had a few tens of millions in capital they might have opted for all inhouse development, but that was obviously not the case.

- Mike
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Posted by JoannaK on 14-Dec-2002 21:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Mike Veroukis):
You have missed the point of original message.. I'm not against Hyperion making port (and doing it on their own risk). BUT I'm definitely agains AmigaInc.s policy so use this Name a their survival tool selling trinkets, coupons, tshirts-. Especially when are these items are still undelivered. They do nothing good to Amiga name nor help (economically or othervice) this porting effort.
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Posted by Anon on 15-Dec-2002 16:10 GMT
Jeez you guys act like the entire amiga problem is Bills fault, what amiga product has been made in the last 10 years that wasnt 3rd party that allowed the amiga to half way keep up with the rest of the tech world.
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Posted by Anonymous on 17-Dec-2002 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
YOU are insane. They obviously got a bank (and/or other) advance, and they couldn't get that amount of money (probably millions) for that you wrote, but for "a new idea with great possibilities". Try to remain reasonable.
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