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Posted on 13-Dec-2002 12:12 GMT by Fiath (Edited on 2002-12-14 00:22:16 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselš)17 comments
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C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 1 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by C.R.A.P.S. on 13-Dec-2002 12:52 GMT
someone correct the link please, it should be http://www.caps-project.org/
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 2 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Dec-2002 13:01 GMT
Yeat another warez site ? Do remember that software/game is not abandonware until authors give permission to spread it. There already is legal Back2Roots, support it.
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 3 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by kriz on 13-Dec-2002 13:19 GMT
ehh this site aint about warez, but takes aims to preserve the golden oldies, so they are not lost forever ...

and if youd read something at the page you would know whats it about !
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 4 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 13-Dec-2002 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (kriz):
Its warez with self justification.
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 5 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Ryu on 13-Dec-2002 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (DaveW):
Agreed.
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 6 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by kriz on 13-Dec-2002 15:59 GMT
its not, if it been new stuff it would...

downloading 10 year old games aint what I would call warez trading.
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 7 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Xisp on 13-Dec-2002 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Ryu):
From what I have read on their page I have learned that CAPS aims to create a
new disk format (like ADF) capable of storing the physical information of a
disk in addition to its actual data, so you can have a faithful representation
of an original Amiga Game disk (NOT CRACKED!)in a suitable digital form.

They are creating software that is capable of doing this with any kind of
copy-protection. Yes, if you spread the resultant disk-image without
permission it's piracy. But back2theroots could make a good use of it,
if they contact the original autors they only have to ask for their permission,
they don't have to bother to make an especial ADF version of the game. It makes
the whole thing of free-this-old-game-please a lot easier and preserves
the original form of the software.
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 8 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselš on 13-Dec-2002 22:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
If you had bothered to look a bit closer, you would've noted that there's nothing illegal on the site at all.
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 9 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-Dec-2002 04:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (DaveW):
> Its warez with self justification.

Really? Then point me out one warez thing present on that site, please.
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 10 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by TonyA on 14-Dec-2002 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Fabio Alemagna):
just wanted to add that even BTTR have a few games wich is ILLEGAL , and i messaged both bttr (to remove em) and talked to arthor of the game , sadly bttr wont remove it (still for sale)

anyway if i look even closer i would find more for sure, i just know this game especially due to i was in on making the game (atleast in the team)

tony

pps: preservations of amiga orginals is a good idea, but there is one catch .... is it for amiga or not?
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 11 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Dec-2002 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (TonyA):
> (still for sale)

Ummm since when does bttr *sell* things? Also they post with every update who gave them authorization, dont think theres anything illegal there.
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 12 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Kieron Wilkinson on 14-Dec-2002 23:46 GMT
Hi Guys,

I am glad people here know what CAPS is about, thanks for putting people straight. It is nothing to do with warez, cracks, hacks or anything else.

If nothing else, you should know that the founder of CAPS is one of the Amiga games developers from the time, with classics like Abandoned Places 1 & 2 + others. Can you imagine how these people feel when the only versions of they games that are easy to get hold of are those with "Cracked by XXX" where their name should have been in the credits? Never mind piracy, that is just sad.

Anyway, CAPS will have nothing for download from the site, you can only have the images if you own the game. This is not for us to decide, but we won't help people pirate games.

I personally own well over 1000 original Amiga games. Was I just going to stand by and watch them suffer magnetic media bit rot? NO WAY! So I joined CAPS.

If ever I saw a set of people (some of which are hardcore Amiga collectors like me ;) who have a passion for Amiga games - it is these guys.

I absolutely REFUSE to sumbit to the fact that in the years to come, the only thing we will be playing is cracks - because the original disks died (TDK quotes the average like of a floppy disk to be 5-10 years - how old are all those Amiga disks?).

Anyway, so we not have a image format that allows all our Amiga ORIGINAL games to be preserved forever (and we can guarantee that they are unmodified from the original mastering, as hard to belive as that may at first seem - see the WIP's for details). The number one purpose of CAPS is to keep our (and anybody elses) originals working, so we are working on hardware and software solutions to write the images back to disk.

Also, for those that upgrade to AmigaONE / whatever, these images can probably be used in emulators etc.

Anyway, this is why we started it, this is why we love it now we have pretty much completed the technical aspect, and this is why we want to help other people in the Amiga community benifit from our efforts.

We have also be contacted (them to us) by several (I think 5 now, but I could be wrong, something like that) major games developers / companies who want to offer the CAPS images from their sites.

Just so you know!

Any questions, please mail us at: questions@caps-project.org

Thanks!

One more thing. We do not own any rights to the games other than owning them ourselves, so we have no right in doing any of this other than it being a hobby. CAPS stuff is free, and always will be free. Unless copyright owners want to use CAPS images to market their past works, then you will legally only ever be able to get hold of CAPS technology for free. We don't even have banners on the site.

This is how much we believe in what we are doing. We just hope that other people can benifit (non-finantially ;) from our work.

Anyway, I talk to much... :)
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 13 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Kieron Wilkinson on 14-Dec-2002 23:50 GMT
TonyA: Not sure what you mean? "Is it for Amiga or not?"

Classic Amiga Preservation Society (?)

But, aside from that, any disk can probably be preserved, from any platform, it is just that Amiga comes first!
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 14 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2002 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Kieron Wilkinson):
Hi Kieron, im still waiting for a reply regarding the last 40mb dumps ;)
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 15 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 16-Dec-2002 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
"There already is legal Back2Roots, support it."

And what makes Back2Roots legal?
Did they get permission from all game companies to give thier products away?
Caps is just as legal and these guys.

And not to mention everyone that downloads games that they don't even own.
It's all illegal.

Even Back2Roots.
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 16 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Brad Ray on 16-Dec-2002 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Brad Ray):
But hopefully nobody will stop caps.

I believe they have the best idea.

He's right about all the cracked games.
C.A.P.S. - Something strange is afoot! : Comment 17 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Dec-2002 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Brad Ray):
> Did they get permission from all game companies to give thier products away?

Simply read their news page.
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