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[Rant] ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitorsANN.lu
Posted on 15-Dec-2002 16:10 GMT by Jens Schönfeld (Edited on 2002-12-15 17:31:58 GMT by Christian Kemp)16 comments
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The show is over, but the work continues, which proves the success of the event. The fare team of individual Computers says thank you to all visitors and exhibitors who made the last weekend so successful.
Many pictures have already been published on the Amiga news sites, a complete coverage of the fare will be published in the next issue of the German Amiga-Magazin.
Our Congratulations go to bplan GmbH and Chris Hodges, who recieved the Amiga Award 2002 for their Pegasos mainboard, and the Poseidon USB stack, respectively.
We're looking forward to seeing everyone again at the next event of this kind!
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 1 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 15-Dec-2002 20:00 GMT
@Jens

...and we will be back!

@All

Jens and Team did a great job organizing the event. We are pleased to have participated. Thank you Jens!

Sincerely,

R&B
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 2 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2002 22:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (bbrv):
@BBRV

Why didn't you bring the A1 as you said you would? Would have been interesting to see you show all the bugs _you say_ it have.

Even though I couldn't be there because of work (and distance:-) Congratulations with, what seems to have been a great show. Hope it will be there again next year.
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 3 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 15-Dec-2002 22:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
My 2 guesses:
1) People would have bashed them for doing "negative marketing".
2) People wouldn't have believed it anyway ("you don't have a fixed
board", "it's just this particular board that is broken", "this
isn't a problem in real use" etc).
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 4 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 15-Dec-2002 23:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Johan Rönnblom):
ups... comment #2 was from me :-)

@Johan

They allready DID the NEGATIVE MARKETING when they said they would bring that board and show people it had bugs.

That they didn't show it doesn't change that fact...

I don't know if people would believe them, I tend to believe what I can see or hear directly myself.
What I heard was that they didn't show the bug, so why should I believe Thendic?

Regards
Troels E
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 5 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 16-Dec-2002 02:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Troels E):
As you will note from another thread current on ANN these challenges are becoming known. For the record, we did make sure the Teron/A1 was at the Show and we did demonstrate the problem to anyone that inquired directly to us. We ask that the two that were there were brought. We wanted interested parties to be able to make a comparison.

What disturbed us before the Show and drove us to make the public statements we did, was that we had been so closely aligned with TerraSoft. TerraSoft was our partner. Their announcement hailing the sale of the Teron just three days before the launch of the Pegasos was more than a double-cross. You may recall that we featured YDL on our website for months. TerraSoft had a Pegasos from June until September. We understood that Mai would continue to sell the Teron board to whoever wanted to distribute it, but we did not think that others would try to sell it before the problems were solved.

Here are a couple of predictions:

1. We do not have a problem with Mai. will continue to work with Mai. Whatever has been posted here, you have not seen anything from them contradicting this.

2. You will continue to hear about more difficulties with the Teron/A1 until there is a hardware fix like April or the April goes on the board. Software patches will work, but this will not bring the board's performance to an acceptable consumer level.

Please refer to the original post if you have any questions.

Again, our hat is off to Jens. Thanks for organizing a great event.

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill

P.S. We had a large conference room at the Quellenhof on 7-8 December and hosted a number of meetings simultaneously during the Amiga+Retro Show. Many people who attended the Show visited this room. From here we conducted strategic sales efforts, planned technical development activities, and organized marketing plans. We also held a party there for our Team there Saturday night. We had plenty of champagne there to celebrate with and a great time was had by all.
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 6 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by SimplePPC on 16-Dec-2002 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (bbrv):
Excuse me but that is cheap.

I would like to see a thread were 'before' the April fix people pointed to specific HW problems with Pegasos boards. I don't recall such reports.

However i DO see lots of speculation on supposed AMigaONE HW bugs.

I know that every board has fixes, even the Pegasos, and i know the Aones have fixes aswell.

You said USB didn't work -> It does, i used an USB mouse at the show.
You say DMA doesn't work -> It does, i have my HD in DMA mode now

Now we are at it, does the floppy work on Pegasos ? In linux ?
What is the FSB on the Pegasos ? Is is changeable to 133 MHZ ?
WHat about they keyboard ? WIll there be QWERTZ or QWERTY ? :)

I enjoyed the show aswell btw, and the games running on Pegasos looked very nice. Certainly the EPic ones.
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 7 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 16-Dec-2002 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (SimplePPC):
Hi SimplePPC, we do not want to seem "cheap" and we certainly have enough on the line to be considered otherwise -- hopefully! What *we* said is there are difficulties and what *we* said were that there were different ways to *fix" the problem. In our opinion, there are more satisfying and less satisfying solutions. We would have loved to be selling a bug-free Pegasos months ago -- but we knew we could not do that.

Re: the bugs. The biggest problem is maintaining data coherency between different bus masters. For example, file corruption can occur when a file is copied from one drawer to another. Try it and see what happens to the data. That is the biggest problem.

As for the disc drive issue... for Linux, connect the drive, insert disc, and see it work...for MorphOS, we need to finish the driver.

The bus speed is set by the BIOS not the hardware. Right now, the increase to 133MHz is more of a marketing thing...the difference is negligable (quoting Gerald, "5% faster by increasing to three wait-states").

Lastly, we still have plenty of Key Tables to do. Maybe, we will create a developer program for each needed keyboard. We will think about this and try to come up with a good idea.

Thanks, we liked the games we saw too and there are some new ones we saw samples of that do look great.

Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 8 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-Dec-2002 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (SimplePPC):
>You said USB didn't work -> It does, i used an USB mouse at the show.

ROTFL. Why not stop playing the fool?

>You say DMA doesn't work -> It does, i have my HD in DMA mode now

Yes sure we all see how DMA is working great after we saaw the first comment
from an A1 customer.
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 9 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 16-Dec-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (bbrv):
>Their announcement hailing the sale of the Teron just three days before the launch >of the Pegasos was more than a double-cross.

the teron is rack mountable (1.75") maybe thats why they choose ?
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 10 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 16-Dec-2002 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (bbrv):
> 2. You will continue to hear about more difficulties with the Teron/A1 until there >is a hardware fix like April or the April goes on the board. Software patches will >work, but this will not bring the board's performance to an acceptable consumer >level.

at WOASE there was 2 boards with the fixes onboard....

Alan brought them at the show for everyone to see, but nothing particular was
mentioned at or after the show.....the TeronPX "fix" is just a chip, just like
April....only its nameless and didnt need an announcement...
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 11 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Dec-2002 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (catohagen):
>the TeronPX "fix" is just a chip, just like
>April....only its nameless and didnt need an announcement...



LOL. The fix was a big Amiga/Eyetech announcement before the WOA despite the fact that the fix was done by Bplan and that Ben say a week before that there was no bug and that Bplan was clueless.

You can name something when you create it. Mai has made a PPC motherboard and called it Teron. Bplan has made a bug correction chip and called it April.
Eyetech did ... nothing and called it ... AmigaOne.


</IRONY>
Amigans : all of this is FUD.
There is no problem.
We have top notch Amigaone betatesters that have tested the HW 100%
The problem users have today is because they don't know that with disabling the DMA and caches here and there they won't notice the problem.
BTW VerySimplePPC did some advanced test with is mouse that proove that none of the data is corrupted. He could successfully move the pointer on each pixel of the screen and check them off with a marker on his monitor !
BTW It is not up to Hyperion to support Linux which is not working well with the motherboard we sold you. You can just print AmigaOS4 68k screenshots and stamp them on your screen while waiting for AmigaOS4.
</IRONY>
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 12 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Emmanuel Lesueur on 16-Dec-2002 15:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (SimplePPC):
SimplePPC writes:

> You said USB didn't work -> It does, i used an USB mouse at the show.

As I already told, this proves nothing. USB mouses also work on my
unfixed Pegasos. You need something more stressing for the hardware
to show anything, like printers/scanners/webcams/zip drives, etc.
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 13 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-Dec-2002 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (catohagen):
>at WOASE there was 2 boards with the fixes onboard....

The AmigaOnes sold also have this fix on board but still have heavily problems.
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 14 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Dec-2002 09:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (bbrv):
> Their announcement hailing the sale of the Teron just three days before the launch of the Pegasos was more than a double-cross.

Luckily you have lots of experience with such tactics.
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 15 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 17-Dec-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (David Scheibler):
Who reported about "heavily problems" ?

All I have seen are one anonymos posters writing he has problems with DMA....
ARC 2002: Thank you to all visitors and exhibitors : Comment 16 of 16ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 18-Dec-2002 19:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Troels E):
Yes sure, AmigaOne buyers are spreading FUD right?
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