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Posted on 15-Dec-2002 16:45 GMT by herb171 comments
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In Amiga.org thread "AmigaOne G3SE is here! now!" someone reports they got their new AmigaOne on Thursday and others say their Swedish dealer has them now for deliver on next Tuesday. Some problems are reported with IDE connectors and stability.

Quotes:

"my local (well swedish atleast) dealer has got the first batch SEs! That means that all the people that has ordered a A1Se from GGSDATA in sweden will have their A1s by Tuesday!"

"The newer IDE connectors have a pin missing and the cables also lack a hole for it. Apparently the A1 has IDe connectors with all pins so you have to have a cable with all holes or you have to bend a pin."

"btw DMA is enabled but is a little unstable atm so easier to have it switched off. It is being worked on... A number of developers have it sorted but it hasn't quite reached us 'normal' folk yet."

AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 1 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2002 15:55 GMT
Their problems could easily be solved by purchasing the April chips from bPlan.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 2 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 15-Dec-2002 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
No, because these problems don't exist and have never been reproduceable by
AmigaOne developers.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 3 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Darren Glenn on 15-Dec-2002 15:58 GMT
ahh yes yet another troll and flame thread, how.... nice :(
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 4 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 15-Dec-2002 16:09 GMT
the connectors on the cable is normal ATA100 connectors.
to those of you that are considering bending a pin on the motherboard : DON'T.
buy a new cable either at the same time as when you buy your AmigaOne, or from your local computer shop.. don't mutilate your new motherboards..
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 5 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2002 16:11 GMT
Curious..havent seen boards with full pin IDE-connector for years :(

So, will the Eyetech engineers spend the next weeks with clipping off the pin(s) or will Teron/A1 customers have to do it by themself and risk to damage the board?
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 6 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 15-Dec-2002 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
no, you buy a cable that is from this century instead of using your old.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 7 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 15-Dec-2002 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (reflect):
http://www.ramelectronics.net/assets/images/ata-66-cable.jpg
here's a picture of an ATA66 cable, without any holes plugged.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 8 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2002 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (reflect):
Sorry my fault :(

Thought the newer cables have the pin blocked...
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 9 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 15-Dec-2002 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (reflect):
try google.. "ata100 connector" and the check their pictures section and you will find alot of connectors..

http://www.digiconcepts.com/cables_ata100.jpg
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 10 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2002 16:30 GMT
A picture of the Pegasos.

http://www.bplan-gmbh.de/gfx/pegasos/top70.jpg

All the pins are there too!
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 11 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 15-Dec-2002 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
That's a proto, and the newer board likes mine come without that pin.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 12 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 15-Dec-2002 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Kronos):
Hello,

I confirm my Pegasos board don't have this pin also.

Regards
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 13 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 15-Dec-2002 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Frodon):
does the pegasos motherboard support ECC error checking in hardware?
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 14 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 15-Dec-2002 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (reflect):
that is, on the IDE bus, ofcourse..
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 15 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 15-Dec-2002 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (reflect):
http://www.coolerstar.com/ideatribcab.html
well, here you can buy both 39pin (one hole plugged) and 40pin cables.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 16 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 15-Dec-2002 17:09 GMT
What is "Little unstable" mean? For Linux, that means it has a down time once or twice in a six or so month period. Hyperion DID patch it so it so this DMA issue doesn't exist in the first place, right? How could you have run Linux for multiple months to find this unstable issue if you just got it? Sound like it's more then just "Little unstable" and more like moderately unstable.

BTW, what was the disk action that caused Linux to puke? Transferring around multiple gigabyte files?

Dammy
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 17 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 15-Dec-2002 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (reflect):
Standard IDE cables sometimes have the pin blocked ( you'll find this on Compaq Pentium era boxs ) ... But most of the time don't.

Most of the ATA66/100 cables I've had have the pin plugged OR the cable coming from that pin snipped.

For the AmigaOne get a snipped cable , *DON'T* bend the pin .. its likely to give you a very bad connection as the ide header won't sit fully in to socket.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 18 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Dec-2002 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (reflect):
Wierd, all the NEW cables I got, but one, got a pin blocked.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 19 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Dec-2002 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (reflect):
All ArticiaS based boards have this feature.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 20 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Dec-2002 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (cOrpse):
One of my PC motherboards had that pin and I cut it using a very small wire
cutter.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 21 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 15-Dec-2002 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
My VH6T has the pin ... But the cable supplied was correct.

All the cables I've purchased as ATA100/133 have been the same ..

I also the bad VIA southbridge .. no problems yet :)
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 22 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 15-Dec-2002 17:30 GMT
If anyone's cable lacks a hole for the full IDE pin range, just drill a hole in the cable connector yourselves, don't damage the port! Even better, get a new IDE cable.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 23 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2002 17:36 GMT
OK this means you have to watch out for the correct IDE-cables as well as for registered Rams when purchasing an AOne.

Another question: does the AOne comes with a fitting ATX backplate? (I noticed the Pegasos had theirs at the Aachen fair)
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 24 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Mic on 15-Dec-2002 17:50 GMT
There are always teething problems with new hardware.

I dont know why some of you Anti-Everything(TM) fanatics are get their pants wet.

These are minor problems. I am sure they will soon start shipping with the correct IDE cables.

As for Linuxx PPC being unstable, its the frickin OS that is the problem, it needs a patch not the hardware. This is not something you need a magic April chip for.

Unbelievable ! The type of ignorance some people display.

Expect and be prepared more problems to appear on both baord (A1 or Pegasos) as soon as they get more widespread and into the hands of normal users.

Can anyone can point out a PC motherboard that was released to the public and had zero problems?
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 25 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by elektro on 15-Dec-2002 17:53 GMT
Since i was quoted in this thread without permission I am now suing ANN...




ahehehhe ;)
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 26 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 15-Dec-2002 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Wierd, all the NEW cables I got, but one, got a pin blocked.

I found the opposite. I've a horrible feeling it's all a bit of a lottery. Bloody non-standard PCs.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 27 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 15-Dec-2002 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Mic):
You seem to be quite sure that all problmes are due buggy SW alone.. Well, you may be right, but have you ever considered that there might be other possibilities too.

And yes, one can patch HW bugs with SW and vice versa, but usually those things cause performance loss. For example. If there is bug on IDE-dma (as suspected) it can quite easely be avoided by diabling DMA, infortunately it increases CPU load during DiskIO and lower transfer rates.

All systems are trade.ofs but what you can afford to lose to get something else is what matters to me.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 28 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Dec-2002 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (anarchic_teapot):
Probably.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 29 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 15-Dec-2002 19:40 GMT
>"The newer IDE connectors have a pin missing and the cables also lack a hole >for it. Apparently the A1 has IDe connectors with all pins so you have to have >a cable with all holes or you have to bend a pin."

This is a statement of unbelievable stupidity. People, a correct "keyed" IDE cable is $5-$10 U.S.; if you "bend a pin" you get what you'll so richly deserve. Just go out and buy the correct cable. Sheesh.

Also, having all 40 pins isn't a "problem" with IDE. It's a "problem" with stupid users.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 30 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 15-Dec-2002 20:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Some Farker):
I've heard of people stripping the corners off of the larger PC drive power connectors because they couldn't get them to fit and were to stupid to admit to themselves that they were trying to insert it the wrong way.

As for the IDE ... I can't see the notch or the pin thing making much difference as these people seem to think "if it doesn't work at first ... push harder".
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 31 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2002 20:05 GMT
"Another question: does the AOne comes with a fitting ATX backplate? (I noticed the Pegasos had theirs at the Aachen fair)"

Yes, I will have to try and look up the link, but I've been asking that question for some time now. It was finally answered recently that it will have an ATX backplate.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 32 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 15-Dec-2002 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Mic):
So your saying the bug is only in software of that distro of PPC-Linux and Hyperion didn't bother to add a PPC-Linux patch for it? But that doesn't make any sense. If it's PPC-Linux (ie the Linux OS), is having the problem, why did Hyperion say they fixed it, yet your saying that fix is in OS4. Why would OS4 have this so called Linux OS bug? Therefore, I'd dare say it is a HARDWARE issue that supposedly OS4 address and Hyperion didn't bother to add a fix for Linux, if it can be done at all in software.

I wonder if those who are recieving these AmigaOnes knew that the only OS they would be getting would not have the patch for this DMA issue?

Dammy
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 33 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 15-Dec-2002 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (cOrpse):
Yes, it's as monumentally stupid as thinking that the ATX case/power standard is some kind of "industry conspiracy" to force people to use power switches in a different fashion.

Oh well, what else can be expected? And ultimately, who can blame those with the boards, really? I mean, look at what the people expecting A1's have had to put up with: no on-board audio, boards shipping without manuals, etc. etc.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 34 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 15-Dec-2002 20:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Is that really an issue, though? ATX case backplates are...ATX case backplates. Every case I've bought, from expensive "custom" cases of brushed aluminum and chrome down to cheapie $17/280w PS mini-towers (guys, it IS NOT "midi" tower...sheesh) have had the correct backplate already on the case itself.

I've never, ever seen it as an issue, myself.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 35 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2002 20:09 GMT
Come on guys, the blocked pin was only done because of 'stupid' pc users who
couldn't match the marked side of the ide cable with the '1' printed on the
motherboard and connected them backwards and wondered why their pc wouldn't
work...

I though amiga users were a bit brighter than that...

If your paying 500 to 1500 for an AmigaOne what bl**dy difference will a
couple of quid for a new IDE lead make?

If your buying a pre-built system it doesn't matter anyway...
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 36 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 15-Dec-2002 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Some Farker):
"no on-board audio, boards shipping without manuals, etc. etc."

Alot of people complained about on-board audio ... and I agree , the on-board audio on my board (VH6T) not only clicks but also introduces large amounts of background noise :(.

As for manuals ... does anyone actually read those things ? The only manual you really need is the one for you choosen case so you can work your way around the (in recent years : often stupid) method of holding the motherboard in .. after that its pretty straight forward.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 37 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by elektro on 15-Dec-2002 20:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Some Farker):
Did your momma teach you to talk like that?
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 38 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 15-Dec-2002 20:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Some Farker):
Both Teron and Pegasos have NON-standard layouts for their connectors, and therefore
will need a special backplate.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 39 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 15-Dec-2002 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (David Scheibler):
Of course not, how else could they have made it through the strict Amiga Inc testing in order to be sanctioned an official product.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 40 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2002 20:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Some Farker):
"Is that really an issue, though? ATX case backplates are...ATX case backplates. Every case I've bought, from expensive "custom" cases of brushed aluminum and chrome down to cheapie $17/280w PS mini-towers (guys, it IS NOT "midi" tower...sheesh) have had the correct backplate already on the case itself. "

Yes, it is an issue, because neither the AmigaOne or the Pegasos use the "standard" back plate layout. (Look at the pics of each one) Therefore they need to include their own.


And to the person who asked originally about the backplate, you will find the answer I gave you confirmed in this article:

http://www.amigart.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1454
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 41 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 15-Dec-2002 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (cOrpse):
"Alot of people complained about on-board audio ... and I agree , the on-board audio on my board (VH6T) not only clicks but also introduces large amounts of background noise :(. "

The rug got yanked on on-board audio (the AMR card) a few weeks ago. It's completely stupid that they did this; there was no real reason to. A lot of folks were expecting, for their $800 USD, to have on-board audio. Most "standard" on-board audio is good enough; I've got a few systems with it and it never sounded all that poor to me (or users for whom I've built systems). I'm not suggesting it's perfect, but what I am saying is that it was pretty damned inconsiderate of them to abandon the whole concept, flat out. Oh, wait, they haven't. You can buy a home-made AMR card from some other user. <smirk>

"As for manuals ... does anyone actually read those things ? The only manual you really need is the one for you choosen case so you can work your way around the (in recent years : often stupid) method of holding the motherboard in .. after that its pretty straight forward."

Apparently, it (was) very needed on the A1. Most of the boards I use for PC builds are higher-end boards that have the pinouts in a "bare" spot on the board itself. Not so with the A1, from all accounts. Thus, the lack of inclusion of a manual was a serious oversight on the part of the distributors...
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 42 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 15-Dec-2002 20:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Kronos):
Egad.

Someone couldn't even get the ATX standard right. Sheesh.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 43 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 15-Dec-2002 20:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Some Farker):
The ATX-standard says that every case has to have a certain area for external connectors,
and that every board has to ship with a backplate fitting it.

And that is the way it should be as back than when ATX was introduced (mid 90s) noone though
about stuff like FireWire, multichannel-audio, on-board-ethernet and so on, most boards even
came without USB back than (atleast eithout an external connector)
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 44 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 15-Dec-2002 20:52 GMT
Interesting,

The Arctica aparently has a bug with DMA and needs a SW patch to
get it running smoothly again so the A1 and Peg come up with solutions.
April chip in the Peg and SW in OS4. Why aint these whiney linux gurus
out there (you know which of you are the whiney ones) slapping up the
kernal patch for linux right now instead of waiting on Hyperion to do
it for you? I dont want to imply that linux user base cant handle it
but hey.. put up or shut up already. I mean linux isnt exactly owned,
copyrighted, patented, and sold by a parent company. Am i right? :)

Anyway, dosent the Peg board have two problems in it? The reason for
the April chip right? Seems to me in a thread not long ago alot of
people were spouting that along with the DMA flaw there is another
bug, and Amiga and linux are doomed to horrible fates, but then maybe
its a Peg only bug and not related to Amiga. Maybe someone can clarify
on this.

Oh, and if you people cant tell a plugged pinhole from an unpluged
pinhole, why are you spending 1000's on hardware? Or for that matter,
why are you even opening the damned case!? Seems a bit much for you
if you dont even know how to connect devices to your systems. Best
find the proper cable instead of takeing the clippers to your mobo.
Then again, its yours to destroy so, happy clipping. :)

I'm sorry, i wen't and made sense again didnt i? I really need to
stop doing that. It dosent look good when your a troll you know.


As always...

GRUNT
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 45 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 15-Dec-2002 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Kronos):
Hunh! Didn't know that. New one on me. I stand corrected, then. I thought the standard was keyed to the case itself, not individually for every board. THanks for the 411.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 46 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Dec-2002 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (AmiTroll):
>>>I'm sorry, i wen't and made sense again didnt i? I really need to
stop doing that. It dosent look good when your a troll you know.<<<

Its too late, the damage is done! Your reputation is irrepairable.

Once you make a sensible comment you are banished from troll kingdom forever :)
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 47 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Dec-2002 21:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Some Farker):
Dunno about the TeronCX/AONESE/ and TeronPX/AONEXE but the Pegasos uses a
custom backplane cause they had to fit too much stuff that none of the
ready backplane arrangements the ATX specs gives you fitted.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 48 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 15-Dec-2002 21:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (AmiTroll):
Yeah!

Your trolling SUCKS!

Flame him! Flame him!
;-)
.
SlimJim
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 49 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 15-Dec-2002 23:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (AmiTroll):
There is append="ide=nodma" in lilo.conf, that is the fix, of course it doesn't really bode well for dma performance.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 50 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 16-Dec-2002 00:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (MIKE):
> There is append="ide=nodma" in lilo.conf, that is the fix, of course it doesn't really bode well for dma performance.

I really hope that they DO have some better solution...
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