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[News] AmigaOne's arrive, minor problemsANN.lu
Posted on 15-Dec-2002 16:45 GMT by herb171 comments
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In Amiga.org thread "AmigaOne G3SE is here! now!" someone reports they got their new AmigaOne on Thursday and others say their Swedish dealer has them now for deliver on next Tuesday. Some problems are reported with IDE connectors and stability.

Quotes:

"my local (well swedish atleast) dealer has got the first batch SEs! That means that all the people that has ordered a A1Se from GGSDATA in sweden will have their A1s by Tuesday!"

"The newer IDE connectors have a pin missing and the cables also lack a hole for it. Apparently the A1 has IDe connectors with all pins so you have to have a cable with all holes or you have to bend a pin."

"btw DMA is enabled but is a little unstable atm so easier to have it switched off. It is being worked on... A number of developers have it sorted but it hasn't quite reached us 'normal' folk yet."

AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 51 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Dec-2002 01:09 GMT
"Someone couldn't even get the ATX standard right. Sheesh."

I don't see it as a problem as long as they include the said backplate. I've even come accross a few PC motherboards that came with their own backplate due to configuration.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 52 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Dec-2002 01:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Mic):
>This is not something you need a magic April chip for.

April makes you...

...happy
...rich
...pretty
...powerful
...get a girl

and it can cook you a meal or coffee when used in the VideoMicrowave.

I want one, please! :-D
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 53 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Dec-2002 01:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (MIKE):
>of course it doesn't really bode well for dma performance.

I wonder why they chose an updated SB with ATA100 when the final speed will only
be 16MB/s max anyway...
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 54 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 16-Dec-2002 01:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
Yeah, I've yet to have handled a "regular" ATX motherboard that didn't just fit right in to the case, but apparently it can and does differ enough. Thanks to those who set me right.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 55 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Dec-2002 05:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (dammy):
The Dude mutilated his board by bending a pin back rather than checking with the outlet he purchase it from to find out that he needed a newer cable. I wouldn't expect the board to work perfectly once the user starts modifying it, albeit while uninformed about what he is doing.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 57 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Wolf on 16-Dec-2002 05:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (AmiTroll):
> Why aint these whiney linux gurus out there [...] slapping up the kernal patch
> for linux right now instead of waiting on Hyperion to do it for you?

It seems as if certain Hyperion guys are among the Linux porting team. Besides
it is adviced to have access to the machine you want to port an OS to, which
might be why there are not exactly masses of developers working on Linux for AOne.
http://www.sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=68751
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 56 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Wolf on 16-Dec-2002 05:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (AmiTroll):
> Why aint these whiney linux gurus out there [...] slapping up the kernal patch
> for linux right now instead of waiting on Hyperion to do it for you?

It seems as if certain Hyperion guys are among the Linux porting team. Besides
it is adviced to have access to the machine you want to port an OS to, which
might be why there are not exactly masses of developers working on Linux for AOne.
http://www.sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=68751
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 58 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 16-Dec-2002 05:26 GMT
No one was hopefully expecting it to be perfect, right?!

Is there a comparisson (A1 vs peg) & benchmarking (PPC Linux performance on both boxes) web sites somewhere already?

r.
priest (looking for the less crappy HW, but in the end the SW support and stability is the main factor...)
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 59 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by anarchic_teapot on 16-Dec-2002 06:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
Good Lord, an Anonymous Coward who writes reasonable and intelligent posts!

Anyway, someone passed this URL on to me and I thought it might clear things up for some of us:
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Win98/Q_20297660.html

Notice the pretty cable for modern, fast HDs and mobos has all of its holes clear...
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 60 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 16-Dec-2002 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Andreas Wolf):
Hans-Joerg/Thomas are actually _not_ just "part" of the developer team for Linux on the AmigaOne. These guys need a vacation soon, ok? ;-)

I'm doing work on the debian install media (using boot-floppis, because there's no useable ppc version of debian-installer yet). Adam, Ross and Chris work on the kernel with the Friedens, and Bill is _busy_ testing all this :-)
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 61 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Timothy on 16-Dec-2002 09:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Ole-Egil):
And i'm doing nothing ? :) Time i post a bit more on the Devlist it seems :)
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 62 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 16-Dec-2002 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Andreas Wolf):
Porting Linux PPC to the AmigaOne, please what exactly is there to port? People saying such things aren't very familiar with Linux. They may be applying kernel patches (supplied with the dev kit) to existing distro's, but I hardly would call such a thing porting LinuxPPC to the AmigaOne, patching Linux Distro's to work properly on the AmigaOne's chipset would probably be better wording, and a trivial task.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 63 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 16-Dec-2002 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (MIKE):
A trivial task?

You clearly don't know anything about Linux PPC.

Do you realise that Linux PPC is extremely Mac centric which means that it has little to no support for anything but Mac hardware?

That most Linux PPC distros hence rely on a openfirmware architecture?

Another example: Mac's have not shipped with floppy drives for ages.

There is no AGP GART driver for the Articia S etc.

There is no support for the 686B VIA Southbridge (UDMA) in Linux PPC.

Do you realise that drawing on the general x86 codebase is not a trivial task because quite a number of Linux x86 drivers are not endian aware and hence won't work?

No, I'm sorry, you don't know what you are talking about.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 64 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 16-Dec-2002 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (MIKE):
Uhm, yeah. Keep believing that...
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 65 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 16-Dec-2002 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Ole-Egil):
Frieden boys working on the Linux port...

Damn, no wonder why S.Claus has headache with OS4 deliveries...
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 66 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 16-Dec-2002 11:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (priest):
That's actually not entirely correct.

We're certainly not spending all our time on Linux PPC.

Thomas isn't for instance.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 67 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 16-Dec-2002 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
on porting games to mac then? ;)
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 68 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 16-Dec-2002 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (cheesegrate):
Nope, sorry.

That's our games division and we're not doing any Mac work at the moment.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 69 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Dec-2002 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> That most Linux PPC distros hence rely on a openfirmware architecture?

So the Pegasos has an advantage over the A1 on this one?
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 70 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 16-Dec-2002 11:44 GMT
have any one never try ed to compile an kernel here?

apparently not, last kernel official kernel released is 2.4.18 as far as I know,
and it do not support ATA/DMA, it's only experimental driver support place turn
of the freaking DMA, and read the kernel documentations!!!!
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 71 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 16-Dec-2002 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> There is no support for the 686B VIA Southbridge (UDMA) in Linux PPC.

found on web http://www.kxproject.spb.ru/686b.php?language=en :

VIA 686B Issues
Introduction

In December 2000 VIA announced their new 686B Southbridge, in conjunction with the KT133A chipset. The new Southbridge differed from its predecessor by including native support for ATA100.

With the new Southbridge and KT133A motherboards, various users started experiencing data corruption problems as well as system instability when transferring files, listening to music, or anything that utilized the PCI bus. Typically, users with a KT133A chipset, 686B Southbridge and a Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live sound card were affected.

Our tests show that this problem is not limited to the SBLive!, but that systems with an Audigy soundcard can also be affected. Even worse, with an affected system, kX Drivers may not be recognized by VIA 4in1 driver package, indicating that the VIA fix may not be installed correctly.

Fixes provided by BIOS manufacturers and by VIA do not completely solve this problem. Even after solving data corruption issues you may still experience sound clicks and distortion while copying files, burning CDs, transferring data via network.

However we've found a solution that completely solves this problem. This solution consists of the following steps:

* Go to your motherboard manufacturer's website and download the latest BIOS for your motherboard
* Go to the VIA site and download the latest Via 4in1 drivers
* Install George's PCI Latency patch (this is the only way of solving problems related to this issue in some cases)

Who needs this patch

Anyone using a 686B-based motherboard, regardless of Operation System.
----------------

shouldnt the 686b work with linux after you applied this bios upgrade ?
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 72 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 16-Dec-2002 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (catohagen):
Ye an the 4in1 driver only support Windows,
and the BIOS upgrade is for PC users,

TO BAD!!

Some one need to disassemble the drivers an do some thing about it!

VIA do not support the Linux community,
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 73 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-Dec-2002 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Kjetil):
Ok, so then one can actually understand why nobody from Eyetech/Hyperion have
ever recognized a DMA problem: because they never tried.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 74 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Man on the moon on 16-Dec-2002 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>We're certainly not spending all our time on Linux PPC.
>Thomas isn't for instance.

Of course not. We can't know what every Hyperion employee is doing atm (and we don't care, either), but at least we know that the lawyer division is busy posting non-sense "technical" messages on ann.
Oh, and hiding from the only matters it should be entitled to respond to, e.g. legal troubles about DOpus/OS4... *g*
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 75 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by http://civtarion.com on 16-Dec-2002 12:27 GMT
Is it a problem to remove the pin ?
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 76 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 16-Dec-2002 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (David Scheibler):
The hardware is okey until proven not okey,
this is how every one is selling things this days.

Any way Linux is not Eyetech nor Hyperion's product
so they do not need to support it.

AmigaOS4.0 is how ever Hyperions product and they can
probably get some limited help from the developers of AmigaOne.

Even the hardware developers do not need to know how the ship works, they
only need to know the pin outs. So help most come from VIA technologies
if they care.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 77 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-Dec-2002 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Kjetil):
>Any way Linux is not Eyetech nor Hyperion's product
>so they do not need to support it.

Sorry, but Linux *is* Hyperion's product. They are developing it for the
AmigaOne so they are responsible and for a very strange reason nobody has ever
heard about those massive problems with Linux before... But I'm sure all these
reports are now only FUD, as always, AmigaOne buyers spreading massive FUD,
right?
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 78 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 16-Dec-2002 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (David Scheibler):
Oh, so now it's a VIA issue?

I thought it was the Articia S that was to blame?

You know, April chip nonsense and all that.

Make up your mind please.

Extensive tests were carried out by MAI.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 79 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 16-Dec-2002 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben, please could you concentrate on issues you actually might have some clue... Like that claimed Hyperion contract breach concerning Dopus ... It's not part of OS4 distribution anymore, or is it?
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 80 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-Dec-2002 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Better make your own mind about companies that say 3 days before the
official release that everything is working perfectly and they have never
realized any DMA problem and then just the first customer of an A1 has exactly
those problems...

PS: I never said that it is a VIA problem.
PPS: MAI does also not admit the first bug found by Mr Carda "officially".
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 81 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 16-Dec-2002 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (JoannaK):
DOpus was NEVER to be part of the OS4 distribution... it was going
to be an add-on option (as it always was).

..and since neither is yet complete, its a bit rich for anyone to be asking
for royalties or anything.

alan
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 82 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 16-Dec-2002 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (http://civtarion.com):
You should not remove the pin how ever old ide disk can all sow be connected
to the ATA controller they do not need the pin, the IDE and ATA cable is not the
same the ATA cable as more whirs probably ground this is due to noise when
transferring in hi-speeds, so you should not cut it, it you have then may have cut
some thing impotent on ATA disk and you may get side affects.

Your right of ever exchanging your not working card with an working one,
is removed, when damaging your card at will, you dropped shit in your boots.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 83 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-Dec-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (alan buxey):
>DOpus was NEVER to be part of the OS4 distribution... it was going
>to be an add-on option (as it always was).

It was licensed for it and a contract was signed.

>..and since neither is yet complete, its a bit rich for anyone to be asking
>for royalties or anything.

Sorry but it's up to the contract and not to you when the royalities have to be
paid.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 84 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 16-Dec-2002 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (David Scheibler):
The man doing the via drivers is Vojtech pavlik
vojteck@suse.cz he is probably the man to talk to.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 85 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-Dec-2002 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (David Scheibler):
What cracks me up is someone actually trusted Hyperion to have money to pay for such contracts in the first place. They do tend to work for free, and that isn't too likely by their choice.

Dammy
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 86 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Ian on 16-Dec-2002 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (dammy):
Blah blah blah....

*yawn*

gets rather tiring after a while dammy.

Ian
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 87 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 16-Dec-2002 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Kjetil):
Come again?

No offense Kjetil, but are you drunk? Otherwise try using dictionary.com becuase I can't make any sense of what you posted.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 88 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 16-Dec-2002 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Ian):
Oh come on now, this whole Eyetech/Hyperion "On a wing and a prayier" project is starting to become amusing. Watching Ben on ANN squirming and spinning is even more amusing. Guess it's watching some wannabe lawyer getting his feet held to the fire that warms my heart.

Dammy
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 89 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 16-Dec-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hehe your just too amusing, you sound like a real kernel hacker there <G>.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 90 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by sibbi on 16-Dec-2002 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (dammy):
Just to remind everyone, hardware is hardly ever bug free.

One old example of an hardware bug was the REV 1.D revision of the a1200 motherboard which had timing issues with the trapdoor slot. This problem didn't really "come out" (as in being discovered) until users started putting accelerators in the trapdoor with sufficient speed to make the bug known. C= then made a hardware fix (which involved some wires and traces) and shipped it to dealers, this was in 93 with massively simpler hardware in all regards...

The DMA problem with the 686B is not new, it can be circumvented, there are other fixes than completely disabling DMA (as some seem to think), but at the moment, at least with linux this seems like an easy fix for the timebeing until a better solution which works with LinuxPPC is released. How to do this has already been posted in another message (it involes passing ide=nodma to the kernel when the kernel is loaded).

Bugs in linux drivers are hardly new (even on X86 machines), quite often linux drivers have issues, porting drivers between architechtures isn't exactly trivial work, and people just have to have a little patience while these bugs are being worked out.

Nobody, neither Eyetech nor Hyperion has at any stage to my knowledge, denied that there is a DMA bug in the 686B (seeing as it's public knowledge), nor have they made any claims that their hardware is 100% bug free, they have however stated that all !known bugs! are being circumvented in one way or the other (either in hardware or software). What is it exactly that people want? A redesign of the board to somehow hardware circumvent the 686B bug would be very expensive at this stage, and imho, it's not neccesary.

This (imho silly) bickering between the two seemingly distant groups (Pegasos/Morphos and AmigaOne/OS4) is unneccesary, splitting up the community and causing everyone to loose faith in both parties.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 91 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 16-Dec-2002 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (sibbi):
so ide problems will/are fixed with the drivers,both in linux and OS4 END OF PROBLEM

at WOASE there was 2 boards with the fixes onboard....

Alan brought them at the show for everyone to see, but nothing particular was
mentioned at or after the show.....the TeronPX "fix" is just a chip, just like
April....only its nameless and didnt need an announcement...END OF PROBLEM
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 92 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 16-Dec-2002 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (sibbi):
Bug free would be the ideal, but in the practice it never happens....

It is especially true if everything is not thoroughly tested before the release (problem with both pegasos and AmigaOne, IMHO even more so with AmigaOne).

r.
priest (learned to live with the buggy rev9 A4000 buster, buggy phase 5 scandoubler, buggy 686B on my PC, ...)
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 93 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 16-Dec-2002 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (sibbi):
>Nobody, neither Eyetech nor Hyperion has at any stage to my knowledge, denied that there is a DMA bug in the 686B (seeing as it's public knowledge), nor have they made any claims that their hardware is 100% bug free, they have however stated that all !known bugs! are being circumvented in one way or the other (either in hardware or software). What is it exactly that people want? A redesign of the board to somehow hardware circumvent the 686B bug would be very expensive at this stage, and imho, it's not neccesary.

Good grief Sibbi, don't you start making sense too. I already got
drumed out of the trolls union (local 304) for doing just that. ;)
It's ok though, i'm a freelance troll now.

Something i should point out...
The guy who posted on Amiga.org about this DMA problem in linux
also stated that the linux crew working on it has the fix and it
just hasent reached him yet. So either a few people here can't
read or they refuse to for the sake of stiring up garbage and
flame wars.

Personally, i don't believe they can't read. I could be wrong
though. ;) Anyway, i don't see what all the fuss over known
problems and thier fixes is.

GRUNT
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 94 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by theheh on 16-Dec-2002 15:15 GMT
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7726
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 95 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 16-Dec-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Anonymous):
>The Dude mutilated his board by bending a pin back rather than
>checking with the outlet he purchase it from to find out that
>he needed a newer cable

All NEW cables I've seen have that pin blocked off.
Like, I just bought a new Epia-M 9000 mini-ITX motherboard which were only released 2 weeks ago and the IDE cables that come with it have that pin blocked off too. The only IDE cables I have which don't have that pin blocked off are from years ago.

Easiest thing to do is either bend (or snap off) the offending pin or use a heated needle to make your own hole in the connector.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 96 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 16-Dec-2002 15:31 GMT
My heart sank when I saw that VIA chipsets are to be used on A1.

My personal experience of VIA is that they suck dead dogs dicks !!

I had to scrap a brand new MoBo because of sound discrepancies ..ie: CRAP distorted sound output. The board in question was the Asus CUV4X with Apollo Pro 133Z chipset.

I flashed Bios .. Installed latest drivers...Everything I could think of... In the end I asked Electronic-Design for their advice and they recommended a "slight" downgrade to CuBX which, although not as fast.. has worked flawlessly since installation.

I REALLY hope the VIA issues have been solved and there are DEFINATELY NO dma problems.

Because of this revelation as to possible Dma hiccups I'm gonna wait a few months to see how it pans out... If its crap ...Bye Bye Amiga.

I'll go spend my hard earned dosh on a Mac.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 97 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 16-Dec-2002 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Lando):
http://www.qdi.nl/support/qanda/comp05.htm

"...for ATA/66, ATA100 and ATA/133 functionality and device detection a 40-pin, 80-conductor IDE cable must be attached......
....The connectors have one hole blocked up (which needs to be unblocked with older mainboards or older IDE devices with IDE connectors that still have the pin for that hole)"

Note where it says "older mainboards".
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 98 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Dec-2002 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>That most Linux PPC distros hence rely on a openfirmware architecture?

Why did you not license Smartfirmware, too?
Ah, trash that buggy AOne Teron board and get that 5% cheaper working Pegasos
certified as new AmigaOne design! :-)
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 99 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Mirror on 16-Dec-2002 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (sibbi):
Dont forget these......

Every remember the original Pentium and its floating point problems.... ?

How many people have nokia phones that turn themselves off for no reason ????

C64 sid chip went into end user C64s unfinished. (4th voice etc) ???

PS2's with DVD playback problems.

Some Cisco Routers periodically just goto sleep and suddenly wake back up with one ping.

For all you in who love bplans handy work... Didn't the cyberstorm have a hardware bug which needed a fix in software for it to work correctly.

Microcode solutions coudn't even get software to work on the Blizzard.

The list goes on and on and on. Stuff has bugs PERIOD.

If a solution is available which is either a hardware mod or software, who gives a flying F**K as long as it works.

Dont see any of you here offering any solutions only flames.
AmigaOne's arrive, minor problems : Comment 100 of 171ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 16-Dec-2002 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (The_Editor):
I hear what you're saying and VIA have, in the past, created some hardware that required software patching to work correctly. However, I have never used a modern VIA solution that hasn't worked flawlessly - they really are a lot better now so I doubt that it will be a serious issue.

---
Sam
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