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[News] (From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issueANN.lu
Posted on 17-Dec-2002 09:59 GMT by Björn Hagström39 comments
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Seems the Hyperion/GPSoftware troubles with Directory Opus has been cleared up. Read more on Amiga.org
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 1 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Mostafa on 17-Dec-2002 09:13 GMT
Looks like you beat me to it ;-)
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 2 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 17-Dec-2002 09:21 GMT
Cool. This could be the desiding factor for a lot of people.

What I would like to know is wether DOpus will be delivered freely in AOS4 boing back or in AOS4.1 or would I need to buy it separately?
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 3 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 17-Dec-2002 09:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mostafa):
Hehe, yeah :)

/Björn
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 4 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 17-Dec-2002 09:33 GMT
looks good.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 5 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 17-Dec-2002 09:53 GMT
As I said on AOrg, two companies with a dispute in the Amiga market settle it amicably? What is the world coming to? :)
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 6 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Dec-2002 13:38 GMT
I hope thay can integrate it into OS, so we can have similar listers in Workbench as in Dopus. Who would like to browse thousands of files thru workbench windows.. even the icons take time to load.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 7 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Dec-2002 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
"I hope thay can integrate it into OS, so we can have similar listers in Workbench as in Dopus. Who would like to
browse thousands of files thru workbench windows.. even the icons take
time to load."

Surely as soon as you install Magellan, it is "integrated" ?

It is a complete replacement for the Workbench program. Some people
may want to use the standard WB program rather than Magellan. They are
both file manager/program launcher programs which are normally run
automatically from the Startup Sequence.

Or the S-S can launch a game or demo instead.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 8 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Dec-2002 14:41 GMT
For credibility's sake, I sure hope this gets moderated UP to news very soon.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 9 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 17-Dec-2002 15:34 GMT
This is very good news and a breath of fresh air - companies actually solving their differences!

I also find it a little funny that such a positive thread gets so few comments. If this thread
had been named "Dopus deal is no more" we would be up over 100 posts by now, mostly by
people taking their chance to take cheap shots at Hyperion. There have been a lot of people
bashing over this issue tha least few days. Where are they now? I would think that they would
be shouting with joy in this thread...?

Or is it that the majority of negative comments come from people that really doesn't care, but
just like to spit some acid just for the heck of it?
.
SlimJim
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 10 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 17-Dec-2002 15:37 GMT
Not to knock Dopus but im a Diskmaster fan. Good to see Dopus is
available though. But, i'm set in my ways. :)

GRUNT
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 11 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 17-Dec-2002 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (AmiTroll):
Troll.
;-)

(Just to make you happy!)
.
SlimJim
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 12 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 17-Dec-2002 15:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (SlimJim):
Don't cross any bridges alone at night. ;)

GRUNT
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 13 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 17-Dec-2002 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (SlimJim):
You've hit the nail on the head. The news is way too positive for the Troll brigade so there is nothing for them to comment on. Throw in some bad news and everyone comments. Ever notice exactly the same thing happen on TV news? Get a nice nasty depressing story and the press love it. The news would be boring if it was filled with positive stories.

This is why any form of news reporting in the media is given extra spin to ensure that it is horrific or depressing enough.

Crazy world? No I just believe that it requires some deeper understanding.

---
Sam
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 14 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 17-Dec-2002 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (AmiTroll):
Wild, I can actually agree with AmiTroll on something. For a simple filemanager, I always loved DiskMaster. When I went to Linux, I found this clone to be very usefull:

http://www.cd.chalmers.se/~hch/filerunner.html

Everytime I fire up FileRunner, brings back so many memories of my poor old Amiga.

Dammy
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 15 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by IanG on 17-Dec-2002 16:28 GMT
This is, of course, good news. The fact that the two companies have sorted it out is good. The fact that some quality software (whether you like this particular application or not) is seeing some development and/or promotion is good.

I have long been a fan of the DOpus MagII WB replacement, although the default config is extremely off-putting. I am surprised at the number of comments here and at Amiga.org that refer to DOpus as just a file manager (like the now free V4).

I would have assumed, though, that there would be little in the current 68K release that would have prevented it working under 68K emulation. (Including use with MorphOS as well as AOS4.) Is the development for PPC-native version, or feature additions, or what?
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 16 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 17-Dec-2002 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (IanG):
Well, i've used MagII and i'll admit it offered some
nice little features. But, i didn't need to replace
my WB and almost everything MagII did, DM2 did just
as well, tho not as graphicly. It's a tossup imho
and i've already got my DMII setup to do everything
i wan't it to. Heh, i could delete LoadWB from
startup-sequence and put in DMII in its place without
problems. Good to have both available though. I wonder
if Hyperion have plans to extend Dopus on the Amiga
or not?

GRUNT
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 17 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Bertybassett on 17-Dec-2002 17:59 GMT
Great News! I know that Magellan won't become an official part of
OS4.0, but if it becomes native that will do me. By the way Magellan
is far more then just a File Manager. I mean i think with a little
tweaking here and their Dopus could be the Desktop Replacement to
have. I mean in its current state it has so many features. With a
native version the speed would improve immensely, as it does sap a
little bit. Then we could have the functionatily improved. Animated
icons, better themes, change the gui to MUI, etc.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 18 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Mostafa on 17-Dec-2002 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (SlimJim):
It seems that they have been proved wrong so will kep their mouth shut for a few days before they start taking these cheap shots at anything to do and Amiga Inc, AmigaOne, AmigaOS4, Hyperion, and Eyetech

who tend to do their work privatly and not in public forumns.

But I am sure we will see them again in the not so ditant future, asking why OS4 hasnt been finished (not they want to buy it).
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 19 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 17-Dec-2002 18:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (SlimJim):
It's good that one of the features promised has gone from the unpromised category and back into the undelivererd category.

WOO HOO, yes why aren't we jumping for joy.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 20 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 17-Dec-2002 19:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (MarkTime):
Yes, why indeed?

It's easy to be sarcastic you know. It's going to be interesting to see if people like you play it fair
and show an equal level of support as you have of nagging once stuff moves from "undelivered" to
delivered".
.
SlimJim
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 21 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 17-Dec-2002 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (SlimJim):
no, then they will move on to "its performance stinks, it's only a PPC, a fucking G3/G4. there are tons of cheaper hardware out there, bla bla bla bla"..

sorry, but who the fuck cares..
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 22 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 17-Dec-2002 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (priest):
I think the case is undesided then.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 23 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Santa Claus on 17-Dec-2002 22:18 GMT
I am so glad that things are looking up for D-Opus..

I use this all the time at the North Pole with all my Amigas.


Did you know that Santa thinks that the Amiga is the best computer ever made?

Santa
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 24 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by cAHVA on 17-Dec-2002 22:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Santa Claus):
So why havent you delivered any Amigas to all the good boys and girls then :D
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 25 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Dec-2002 23:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Don Cox):
>>Surely as soon as you install Magellan, it is "integrated" ?
>>It is a complete replacement for the Workbench program. Some people
>>may want to use the standard WB program rather than Magellan. They are
>>both file manager/program launcher programs which are normally run
>>automatically from the Startup Sequence.
>>Or the S-S can launch a game or demo instead.

Yep, i know this..

But when you replace loadwb in s-sequence with dopus you still miss some new features offered by new OS? or when using os4 you miss some features offered by dopus. So i mean with integrated that it'll be part of os4.. not two different programs.
user could configure if he'd like to:

-directory list with "dopus-style" or "classic"
-configure pulldown menu items or leave them as "classic"
-show devices in devicelist instead of showing them in workbench screen
-using floating "buttonbars" instead of menucommands or amidock
-workbench has it own filetype recognition, dopus has it's own which one to use..?
-and so on..

So, if i want to set "no titlebar" in workbench-prefs it of course doesn't affect dopus.

Many of the amiga users seem to "scare" directory opus because it's so configurable or maybe they are just too used to filemaster-style programs. Or maybe they don't know about better options :)
I personally would like to see best parts of dopus in os4.

But releasing at least os4 is good start ;)
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 26 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 18-Dec-2002 00:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (SlimJim):
SlimJim wrote:
"I also find it a little funny that such a positive thread gets so few comments."

This is human nature, isn't it? Not really limited to the Amiga scene. If the positive news is the resolution of a problem like this, then it's kind of "end of story." If the news is "negative" (something unresolved, something with conflicting interpretations, etc.), then there's more to talk about, isn't there? Well, I'm just thinking out loud here, but it seems like there are some "natural" reasons for the way topics get comments, and not just partisanship alone (though that's a big factor for sure).

-- gary_c
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 27 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 18-Dec-2002 02:54 GMT
I feel happy. DOpus Magellan is one reason I still use my amiga. I din't like Dopus5 when it came out and I was not fan of DOpus4 either (SID rules). Then Magellan 5.5 was released and I gave it a second try. I bought it (twice !), customised it to my preferences and have been using it as WB replacement ever since.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 28 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 18-Dec-2002 04:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (gary_c):
Well.. IMHO it's good thing that Hyperion did manage to sort this out, but OTH I would have hoped them to be more active on this thing before it all become so public. Anyhow now it looks like solved issue now so there is much need to say anymore.

And I did not rushed to comment here cause I had allready posted into OS4 mailing list (and before this news item appeared into ann.lu) my comment of this thingy.. Didn't want to spend all day writing about this. :)
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 29 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 18-Dec-2002 07:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (sutro):
I thought Magellan WAS Dopus5... I may have missed something :-)
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 30 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Dec-2002 12:53 GMT
I think Hyperion should move/integrate only *some* minor things from Dopus to Wb to prevent bloat. (Yeah Dopus isn't too bloated but still)

It's Ok to leave complete DOpus with rest of the features there. (Let's say into utilitities folder) Complete version should use same building blocks that are integrated into OS Gui if possible.

I wonder would be easy to add blank space or row into upper corner of wb windows for new lister buttons?

There could be an option to integrate it completely in the future if it's reasonable?

I think it would be nice to hide that row of buttons if users wants.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 31 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Golem on 18-Dec-2002 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Elwood):
DOpus 5.6x was the Magellan version.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 32 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Dec-2002 13:01 GMT
http://simoami.freeservers.com/cgi-bin/i/images/AmigaOS4GUI.jpg

This is old picture but I think many people would be quite satisfied for this?

Added with new Amidock and *Mozilla* I would be quite satisfied! ;)
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 33 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by pVC on 18-Dec-2002 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (AmiTroll):
Using Magellan2 separately and not as Workbench replacement is like using it on half power! You can get so many good features to "WB" when using it as WBR and not as filemanager. I personally can't go back to WB when I'm used to WBR. It just makes your life so much easier. Of course the Magellan2 must be configured properly... default settings really suck. And that could be counted as trolling when you say that replacing loadwb with DMII would be any similar. You can get Magellan2 as WBR acting just like plain WB, but still have much more power underneath. Or what can you do with standard WB what you couldn't do with Magellan2 as WBR? I think that Opus should be as standard part of the OS4. Any modern OS will need better filemanagement features than classic WB will give. And once you've got used to do filemanagement in OS's UI, you would feel stupid to launch separate filemanager program just for those things.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 34 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by pVC on 18-Dec-2002 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Golem):
And Magellan2 is DOpus 5.8x...
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 35 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by pVC on 18-Dec-2002 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (pVC):
And I started using DOpus as Workbench replacement when Magellan2 came out. I think that Magellan1 and earlier had some limitations why I didn't like to use them as WBR. I was happy DOpus4 user until then, but now I wouldn't go back :)
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 36 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 18-Dec-2002 19:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (pVC):
Well, i didnt exactly say Magellan sucks. But i do hate
that row of buttons. Not very representitive of thier
function. I've tinkered around with it before and i
still think DM2 is a dead simpler way of doing things.
In truth there isn't anything Magellan does that DM2
can't. DM2 sucks in the looks department compared to
Magellan but it works just as well. And personally i
think DM2 is easier to configure but thats all
speculative.

We agree on one thing though, WB should have some of
these functionalitys brought into the UI instead of
us haveing to use DM2 or Magellan to get the job done.

Well that said, how much you want to bet that i'll wind
up useing Magellan now when i get the A1? ;)

GRUNT
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 37 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by pVC on 18-Dec-2002 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (AmiTroll):
There is lots of what Magellan does and what DM2 doesn't. Magellan isn't just filemanager, it boosts up whole "WB" and brings new features for example to icon usability etc. And not forgetting the great ftp module, file renaming methods (for example inline editing, which just rules :)), good arexx support etc etc. And what row of buttons? Lister buttons? You can change them to whatever you want (look and functionality)... or just use same functions from elsewhere (lister menu, popup menus, hotkeys, button banks, start menus..) if you don't want to use them. But as I said, you have to use it as WBR or you can't get 100% of it. It's not meant to be used as standalone filemanager IMHO.. and if I'd had to use it separately, I might go for other options then too.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 38 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Solar on 19-Dec-2002 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (pVC):
(Shameless plug warning - convinced DOpus 6 user. Ignore if alergic to the "W" word.)

> And not forgetting the great ftp module, file renaming methods
> (for example inline editing, which just rules :)), good arexx
> support etc etc.

That was the reason why I was so happy when DOpus 6 came out. I do no longer have the option to use my Amiga for everyday work - but at least I have the option to enjoy at least *some* of the "easiness" that made the Amiga my favourite platform ever. You can even use MagicWorkbench / GlowIcons for your toolbars, and install it at the office even without admin priviledges... :-D

Mind you, I do not think DOpus 6 stands up to Magellan II, but it's the damn best alternative to that joke of Windows Explorer. About the same as with GoldEd and UltraEdit: The Amiga SW rules, but at least you get *some* of the spirit when you have to live out there in cold hard Windows world... which most of us "heretics" aren't exactly by choice.

> But as I said, you have to use it as WBR or you can't get 100% of it.

Copy that. 5.82 replaced my Workbench, 6.2 replaced my Explorer.
(From AOrg) GPSoft and Hyperion clear up DOpus issue : Comment 39 of 39ANN.lu
Posted by Alan on 21-Dec-2002 16:30 GMT
DOpus is very good and should be intergrated although i do like DMII myself, DOpus 6 for windows is shite, Enriva Magellan Explorer is much better.
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