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[News] Pegasos Hits Las Vegas for CES 2003ANN.lu
Posted on 19-Dec-2002 11:30 GMT by Daniel Miller41 comments
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Genesi has made plans to show the Pegasos and MorphOS at the International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. According to MorphOS News they will debut the Pega-shush silent home server variant. CES will provide a real chance to bring in new users, from outside our community. CES is an extremely large, mainstream, electronics and computing show. According to their website they have 2000 exhibitors, so you won't run out of stuff to do. Some of the groupings are Audio, Emerging Technologies, Gaming, Home Networking and Mobile Electronics.

CES takes place in Las Vegas in a little more than two weeks, from January 9th through 12th, 2003.
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Posted by grunge on 19-Dec-2002 16:54 GMT
Hm... But theres no Genesi in list of CES'2003 exibitors.
Seems like this info is fake
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Posted by bbrv on 19-Dec-2002 17:33 GMT
@grunge

We just registered yesterday. You will see us on the list later today or Monday. Do you really think we would say this and not do it?...:-(

@everyone else

CES is a huge Show and we hope to do our best to demonstrate the Pegasos and MorphOS. Our Booth is #29101 so please come say hello if you are there. We will have everything set up as usual with plenty of computers for anyone to try and test...:-)

Happy Holidays!

R&B
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 19-Dec-2002 19:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrv):
This is interesting. It sure has been a long time since anything Amiga related has been presented in a show of this magnitude, hasn't it?

Good luck! And think about a good way of communicating your visions and strategies to the masses, besides showing off your Pegasos computers!
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Posted by Budda on 19-Dec-2002 22:06 GMT
Good luck with the show... would be great if there was some sort of applications to show off MorphOS more too - and I don't mean a port of an old open-source game :-/
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Posted by Anonymous on 19-Dec-2002 23:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrv):
>Do you really think we would say this and not do it?...:-(

3/12/2002 http://www.ann.lu/detail.cgi?category=news&file=1038913146.msg
| The Pegasos incorporates the Articia and April chip with either a PowerPC
| 750FX processor or a G4 processor, operating at 800 MHz or higher

I only see the same old 600MHz G3 so far. Did I miss something?

| The Pegasos on sale NOW!

Yeah, right!
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Posted by acg on 20-Dec-2002 01:36 GMT
Looks to me like both and Amiga, Inc., and Genesi (bPlan-Thendic)
really don't have mature products.

With the silence by both of them in terms of real useful products,
I don't give them much of a chance anymore. Other companies
actually offer real and somewhat useful products.

Amigas little game on the microsoft PDA pack...wow...an Amiga
company writing software that runs on top of Windows...how
original....doesn't every other program run "on top" of
Windows???? And, by golly , the same program runs on top of
Linux..now how is a programming idiot like me going to know
if a program really runs on top, or is the program just a port to
a different OS...???

AmigaONE??? Well, it sounds good.
AmigaOS! Screen shots look nice, let's see it work guys....

Pegasos...has nice "workbench"...any programs run on it????
does it have its own browser? drivers for Perhelia, ATI radeons?

I'm just thinking that maybe these products are chimeras, y'know
mythical animals.....

What's the point of telling these companies that they are starting
to stink?

P.S. has anyone gone to the Genesi offices, or the NEW Amiga, inc.
offices to find out how BIG they are, or are they just
little boiler room operations????

Anyway, rant,frustration releasing time is over. Back to real
work......
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Posted by gary_c on 20-Dec-2002 03:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (acg):
You don't really know much about any of this, do you? Why don't you do some research and come back when you can ask intelligent questions or make intelligent points. (Yes, there's reason to question if either of these projects will survive, but the AmigaOne and Pegasos are in quite different situations, something you don't seem to realize, and you've only hit on some of the problems while apparently being unaware of others.)

-- gary_c
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Posted by Piru on 20-Dec-2002 06:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (acg):
> Pegasos...has nice "workbench"...any programs run on it????

Tens of thousands. For a start, look into http://www.aminet.net/
- 68k apps
- WarpUP apps
- PowerUP apps
- MorphOS native apps

There is also (somewhat outdated) list of MorphOS applications at
http://www.morphos.net/fileslinks.php3

> does it have its own browser?

Yes.

> drivers for Perhelia

No.

> ATI radeons?

Yes.

For exact list, see: http://www.blachford.info/morphos/morphos-full-features-list.pdf

You probably should also read http://www.blachford.info/morphos/morphos_in_detail.html
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Posted by bbrv on 20-Dec-2002 06:50 GMT
@takemehomegrandma, Bubba, gary_c

Thanks for the positive feedback. Again, we just registered Wednesday (two days ago), so it takes a couple of days to get into the system. After all, CES is a Show with thousands of Exhibitors and *hundreds of thousands of visitors*. We after new users and markets.

FYI (Anonymous), Gerald and Thomas are at DCE now making more boards (see www.dcecom.de/galerie.html. Thierry will be there Monday morning to pick them up and the next shipment should be off to distributors before Christmas. We are still not making the quantities we want, but we are producing the Pegasos and we are shipping. Making April is time consuming (www.pegasosppc.com, click on April/CPU). From this production we will hold some back for CES. We have only ONE board with April left in the offices in Paris from the Aachen Show production....:-) It is our server!

We would like to point out that we exchanged many new boards with our Betatesters and Developers. We had to do this. They were our first customers and the foundation of our future. They deserved to have the new boards before we could sell anything to other users. We find it strange that our commitment to our Betatesters and our direct and immediate "no-questions-ask" swap has gone unnoticed -- especially after all the criticism of DCE, Phase V, VisCorp, etc.

Re: CPU. It is true, we decided we needed to use our inventory of 600MHz G3s. We still have around 200 and we will use them. Afterwards, we intended to go to the 800MHz G3, but with the delays have come the opportunity to go straight to the 1 Ghz G4. So, that is what we will do. The G4 Pegasos will be on sale soon. For G3 buyers a 200 Euros "trade-up" will be offered and for new buyers the retail cost should be under 750 Euros (less VAT). Those G3s we get back will be used internally or become part of our effort in the New Year to bring computing and the Internet to those that do not have the choice or chance to experience the freedom to communicate and educate themselves through the Internet to a larger world. Our first program (in South America) will be announced in the first quarter of 2003.

Over the last few months we have demonstrated our commitment to this platform. We have attend many Shows and made extensive demonstrations (see Events at www.pegasosppc.com). We have spent money on advertising and promotion. For example, there are over 2000 "We have a present for you!" t-shirts out there. 2003 will bring more activity and surprises. For example, the Genesi office in Luxembourg will be operational by the end of January. DId you miss the fact that the current Luxembourg offices are in PriceWaterhouseCoopers? Do you think the most prestigious Audit/Accounting left would be working with us if we were a bogus organization? Some of you can see what is developing, others not. In any case, after CES we will be providing the details of our first real Developer Conference. It will be held at the Luxembourg Hilton and it will last four days. As we provided lodging, travel, and meals for all our Team and Betatesters who worked with us in Aachen, we will do the same for the Developer Conference. Send us an email if you are interested in attending.

Keep an eye on www.pegasos-usa.com. It is a simple site now, but it will develop and evolve into something that we will offer to our distributors in each geographic region. It will be part of a franchising package. Through the franchised sites we will collect everyone into a support, developer, and user group network using the Wiki Pages. Please register on the site. You will be finding increasingly interesting things there. We will be creating special programs for jounalists, developers, and User Groups. For example, here is an example of what to expect from our User Groups: www.dijidesign.com/spug

Finally, welcome to the new Management team in France. You will find them here: www.crossbee.com. The whole team is coming to Genesi and the Crossbee Management System is coming with them. They start on 6 January 2003. Stephane Donders is a successful and seasoned Executive. Emmanuel Benoit, Bernard Hautbergue, and Helene Wintenberger are extremely talented and competent. This Executive Team will begin to formally organize Thendic-France, bplan, and the MorphOS Development into a structured, but flexible organization. This organization will be Genesi.

CES is the genesis of Genesi. We will be there "in force" and we will succeed there and in the future.

Happy Holidays!

R&B

P.S. All the other things we have mentioned in other posts are in process...;-) FYI, "Watch your lanes!"
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Posted by grunge on 20-Dec-2002 08:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bbrv):
To bbrv!!!!
Hey mate as for me its a greet news!
I wish luck to Pegasos team as you are really registered.
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 20-Dec-2002 08:36 GMT
I have to admit I didn't know what to
expect from Pegasos/Morphos but it looks
like you guys are taking this seriously
and really trying to make a good
impression on the "outside" world by going
to the CES. I wish you luck and hope both
AmigaOne and Pegasos can be a success...
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Posted by priest on 20-Dec-2002 10:50 GMT
Not sure what to believe, re: http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&page=4&npp=8

One would have thought that the delivered pegasos systems have a 800Mhz G3 already ...

It is understandable though that pegasos needs to go for the G4 now when also the relatives of TeronPX are heading for the deliveries of 800Mhz G4 ...
(time will tell if pegasoses will be 1Ghz systems or was that just another attempt to lure people)

Anyway, products count, good luck to the show. (some one needs to show the way anyway)

Christmas regards, priest
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Posted by David Scheibler on 20-Dec-2002 11:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (priest):
>It is understandable though that pegasos needs to go for the G4 now

The G4 has been announced a long time ago. What changed was only the MHz-
number. Initially they planned to use G4/800 (for 200Eur Upgrade), now it's a
G4/1Ghz. No bad choice regarding the fact that G4/800 seem to be only available
by mid January again. So it makes no sense to use G4/800 if you can have the
faster CPU then too. Also G4/>1GHz makes sense because Genesi announced the
first Dual G4 CPU cards in Aachen for next year.
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Posted by priest on 20-Dec-2002 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (David Scheibler):
Right.

In more detail...

Change 1: They desided not to give the option too choose (between G3 and G4), which is a good decision.

Change 2: They plan to sell all their G3/600 inventory before stocking G4 cards. And then there will only be new G4s (and perhaps used G3s). (also that is a very wise business decision, I expect A1 to go the same route)

(I could be wroung though, but it's my bad habit to dig into the very guts of announcements (too deep), like the bbrv post above.)

Time will tell how they manage to sell the rest of the G3 inventory when people "know" the next "low end" model will be 800Mhz or 1000Mhz G4... My x86 (and powerMac) using friend laughed at their plan, but I KNOW everything is possible in the world of Amiga. 8)
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Posted by JoannaK on 20-Dec-2002 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (priest):
Personally I just don't care so much about future-annoucements and Megahurts ...

What I really would like to see are deliveries and really working systems with working (and end user ready) OS:es appearing.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Dec-2002 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (priest):
> Change 1: They desided not to give the option too choose (between G3 and G4),
> which is a good decision.

You will still have a choise. Not now (other than waiting), but you may choose to upgrade to a G4 later on.

> Time will tell how they manage to sell the rest of the G3 inventory when
> people "know" the next "low end" model will be 800Mhz or 1000Mhz G4...

Well, if you think that your G3 @ 600MHz is too slow and low end (which it is *not* for *most* of the users), you can easily upgrade. And € 200 is not a bad price for a 1GHz G4 IMHO.
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Posted by MegaHurts on 20-Dec-2002 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (JoannaK):
What did I do? Why don't you car anymore?

Boo hoo
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Posted by MegaHurts on 20-Dec-2002 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (MegaHurts):
Meant care, not car.

Bugger, ruined my little joke.
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Posted by David Scheibler on 20-Dec-2002 15:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (priest):
>They plan to sell all their G3/600 inventory before stocking G4 cards

No that's not true.
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Posted by tarbos on 20-Dec-2002 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (bbrv):
>Gerald and Thomas are at DCE now making more boards (see www.dcecom.de/galerie.html.
>Thierry will be there Monday morning to pick them up and the next shipment should
>be off to distributors before Christmas.

So cute - handcrafted with love? ;)

>We find it strange that our commitment to our Betatesters and our direct and
>immediate "no-questions-ask" swap has gone unnoticed

It's a very decent and professional return policy, my respect to you!
I hope the stepchild-Betatester2 have access to software updates by now, too.

>Re: CPU. It is true, we decided we needed to use our inventory of 600MHz G3s.
>We still have around 200 and we will use them. Afterwards, we intended to go
>to the 800MHz G3, but with the delays have come the opportunity to go straight
>to the 1 Ghz G4. So, that is what we will do. The G4 Pegasos will be on sale
>soon. For G3 buyers a 200 Euros "trade-up" will be offered and for new buyers
>the retail cost should be under 750 Euros (less VAT).

Thank you for the due clarification, this should shut some critics up.
One question for the native english speakers, does "less VAT" mean VAT included
or without VAT? 750 EUR customer retail end price would be exceptionally well,
Genesi could "own" the complete market - especially when the AmigaOne had no L3
cache (in another ANN thread Mr Ben Hermans won't answer if it has or not)!
A 1GHz machine is a matter of prestige and pushing Altivec which also will be
used in future IBM chips is a good thing for a PPC desktop platform.
Unfortunately the G4 will hardly fit into a real silent system when we take a
look at Apple with their _massive_ heatsinks and fans.
The PPC750FX would have made a nice bottom since IBM claims up to 25% speed
improvement at the same clockspeed for bandwidth intensive applications (can
run with 150MHz bus).

>there are over 2000 "We have a present for you!" t-shirts out there.

*grin*
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Dec-2002 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (David Scheibler):
>>They plan to sell all their G3/600 inventory before stocking G4 cards

>No that's not true.

You are wrong.
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Posted by Neil Thomas on 20-Dec-2002 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (bbrv):
What will bplan/Thendic/Genesi/DCE do with the old skool Pegasos boards (the ones without the 'April' fix) after they've been exchanged for the latest boards (with 'April' fix)??

If they're reworked with the April fix applied and sold again I sure hope they won't be passed off as new.... Restocked items must be sold as such, and are unlikey to demand the same price as a new board.

Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
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Posted by David Scheibler on 20-Dec-2002 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Neil Thomas):
They won't be sold as new. That was announced in Aachen.
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Posted by Amigist on 20-Dec-2002 15:51 GMT
It's nice to have Pegasos here. At least they are doing something actively. Wowdy!
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Dec-2002 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Neil Thomas):
>If they're reworked with the April fix applied and sold again I sure hope they
>won't be passed off as new.... Restocked items must be sold as such, and are
>unlikey to demand the same price as a new board.

No, because only Eyetech sells old Terons as new AmigaOnes. ;-)
SCNR
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Posted by JoannaK on 20-Dec-2002 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Neil Thomas):
Thomas .. I think this quote (from bbrv's message #9 on this thread) tells what likely happens to those Mobos.. Remember, G3 cpus must have mobos to be usefull at all.

"Those G3s we get back will be used internally or become part of our effort in the New Year to bring computing and the Internet to those that do not have the choice or chance to experience the freedom to communicate and educate themselves through the Internet to a larger world. Our first program (in South America) will be announced in the first quarter of 2003. "

Not a bad plan ..
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Posted by Targhan on 20-Dec-2002 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (JoannaK):
"Not a bad plan"

I agree that it's not a bad plan; however, I also believe that selling
at least a limited number of them as "restocks" wouldn't be a bad plan
either. In this economy, there are a number of "underpriviladged"
amigans who would love to jump on MorphOS.

I quote a new-car dealer, "We want to put you in this used car, so
that in the future when you can afford a new car--you'll come back to
us."
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 20-Dec-2002 18:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Targhan):
Selling used boards for less would give a lot of people new options. Or set up a developers program. The options are all wide open here.
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Posted by Onetrack on 20-Dec-2002 18:42 GMT
@bbrv

Bill, I must say I'm impressed with you going ahead and forging a path to the CES to showcase the Pegasos. Its been a long long time since anything different / innovative has been shown there. (The show is getting a little stale).

It seems that Genesi has realized that the 200-300 die hards isn't enough to propel the amigaos/morphos market ahead and that they have to go after more people to bring them into the new community.

Now before you all jump on me saying ' oh he's just a MorphOs troll' I can assure you I'm not, I'm just an old amigan (since my first a500 in '87)and I would dearly love to have a system again, WinXP on my Athlon 2000 (self built, not some box off a shelf) runs great, does a whole pile of cool stuff (not just " pc's are for business " around my place. But its just missing ... something... Which is why I've been reading ann.lu / amiga.org and yahoo groups since last may.. just waiting now until the dust settles to get something good.

IMHO, Genesi has done more shows, and garnered more publicity than Amiga, Inc. Unfortunately as last weeks slashdot proved it was all down to ' Oh Amiga is still around ? and ' What the heck is a Pegasos '

Yep.. name recognition lives.

There are two scenarios that I see happening here.

1: Amiga Inc. stays quiet and conservative and sells about 200 boards to current amiga owners, maybe about 20 people come back from win/mac world and pick up a board.
2: Genesi massively overspends what they can afford, sells about 1000 boards, then folds into bankruptcy.

@bbrv, Here is a suggestion, send a fully assembled and operating system to Thomas Pabst @ tomshardware.com , He is well respected on the net and seems to have a complete unbiased view of hardware. Let him dissect and review a system, you'll reach more people that way.

Just my 0.02

Onetrack
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Posted by Anonymous on 20-Dec-2002 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (acg):
> Looks to me like both and Amiga, Inc., and Genesi (bPlan-Thendic)
really don't have mature products

I think it's very unfair to compare the completely varpor-ware product AOS4 with the current Pegasos/Morphos.

Genesi already have proven a lot o dedication with (a) building their own mainboard, not buying an existing board and sticking an Amiga label on it, (b) going to virtually every Amiga event, sometimes with thirty or so boxes, and (c) actually having a PPC-AmigaOS mature enough to be demonstrated.

Some may say that the Genesi board is not that special, only smaller than the AOne. But I think that it's an enormous advantage to have your own board. You decide where you are going, control the price etc. And you gain a much deeper understanding of technical aspects. Eyetech can only they "pretty please Mai" if they want something to be done or explained or reduced in price.

And some may say that Morphos is not yet sophisticated enough. You say not mature enough. I subscribe to that view, it sucks compared to Windows XP. But so does AmigaOS and it is still fun to be used for some tasks, specifically development. At this time, Morphos appeals to geeks. Not much but a start. Regarding AOS4, it is completely unclear if and when it will be released, not even having reached the "can be demonstrated but not really usable" phase, which alone should stretch over a couple of months.
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Posted by JoannaK on 20-Dec-2002 22:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Nathaniel Downes):
Somekind of "Support young developers" program would be good idea as there are quite a lot interested younger people who simply can't affor purchasing lastest and finest version of system. Thousand euros is a LOT to some, even to us living in western/northern Europe.

<story inserted>
For example. I know this one active Amiga Coder who shall be remain anonymous here: He have been using his old A1200 (towered, turbo+gfx) for years making softwares both Assembler and (lately) with C. He's interested of getting into updated technology but he can't cause he's University student and have no extra income.

To make thigs worse his Amiga broke two days ago.. Now he has no working Amiga at all and have to be without one over X-mas. I have offered my (kludgy) 1200 for spare parts but he's not been successfull to get it all work together. I'm fearing that this community is *so* close to lose one capable coder.. And to be honest, there are not so many left around.
<end of story>

So. He has inspiration, and has been willing to use his spare time to make new and ported code available to community, but has no funds to new system. And I'm quite sure he's not alone. And what we truly need are young people, with young minds, fresh Ideas and plenty of energy to make new code for new system.
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 21-Dec-2002 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (JoannaK):
JoannaK typed:

> Somekind of "Support young developers" program would be good idea as there
> are quite a lot interested younger people who simply can't affor purchasing
> lastest and finest version of system. Thousand euros is a LOT to some, even
> to us living in western/northern Europe.

It doesn't cost a thousand euros. Vesalia <pointing up> is advertising at 491
euros for the motherboard and processor and MorphOS and so on. The remaining
items can be purchased for way, way less than 509 euros. I just checked
www.pegasos-usa.com and the motherboard combo is 482 dollars.
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 21-Dec-2002 11:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Onetrack):
Onetrack typed:

> I'm just an old amigan (since my first a500 in '87)and I would dearly love
> to have a system again...

> just waiting now until the dust settles to get something good.

I got my A500 in 1989. Like you I started using other systems, but I have
always had an Amiga around somewhere. The Pegasos and MorphOS are a genuine
modern alternative computer system, and offer the chance to bring back some
of what was good from that community, including some of the actual software.

> IMHO, Genesi has done more shows, and garnered more publicity than Amiga,
> Inc. Unfortunately as last weeks slashdot proved it was all down to ' Oh
> Amiga is still around ? and ' What the heck is a Pegasos '

To take the second first, you read too much importance into the Slashdot
comments sections. You have a dedicated crowd of grumpy loafers who make the
majority of those comments. Most people just read the article, or read the
article and follow the links. I can give evidence of this: I posted a Pegasos
article on Slashdot a month ago linking a page of pictures from conventions.
The counter on the picture page showed about 15,000 hits yet there were only
about 160 comments. I am not knocking people who post in forums (being one
myself), I am just stating that those comments are not representative.

As for your statement that Genesi has done a lot of shows geared toward
Amigans and BeOS users and other disenfranchised groups, I agree with this.
In USA we call this "paying your dues" and I hope they finally get some
credit for it.

> @bbrv, Here is a suggestion, send a fully assembled and operating system to
> Thomas Pabst @ tomshardware.com , He is well respected on the net and seems
> to have a complete unbiased view of hardware. Let him dissect and review a
> system, you'll reach more people that way.

This seems like a good idea, really. Your suggestion would carry more weight
if you actually put your name on the post though, Onetrack. A lot of people
read that Tom's Hardware site.
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Posted by JoannaK on 21-Dec-2002 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Daniel Miller):
Considering that there is 22% vat in here (Pegasos board would be about 600E with vat) and that there is quite a long list for needed acessories (Case+PSU, Registered Memory, Gfx card, SCSI card etc taht can't be salvaged from old system) at least 200E, most likely closer to 300E it's not far off. Besides what I have understood that those slowest CPU.cards are not going to be on sale for long. And I do assume faster ones will be more expensive.
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Posted by Lorne Hammond on 21-Dec-2002 22:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Daniel Miller):
In Reply to Comment 33:


>I got my A500 in 1989. Like you I started using other systems, but I have
>always had an Amiga around somewhere. The Pegasos and MorphOS are a genuine
>modern alternative computer system, and offer the chance to bring back some
>of what was good from that community, including some of the actual software.

Exactly, and with going to more shows and making an announcement of CES they're obviously on a win or nothing mentality. There are so many people I know of who are ' anti-mentality ' but the only other choices are limited only to small groups. Linux isn't ready for the home user/desktop set yet and asking for help will only get you an elitist saying ' rtfm '.

>To take the second first, you read too much importance into the Slashdot
>comments sections. You have a dedicated crowd of grumpy loafers who make the
>majority of those comments. Most people just read the article, or read the
>article and follow the links. I can give evidence of this: I posted a Pegasos
>article on Slashdot a month ago linking a page of pictures from conventions.
>The counter on the picture page showed about 15,000 hits yet there were only
>about 160 comments. I am not knocking people who post in forums (being one
>myself), I am just stating that those comments are not representative.

Yes, slashdot is full of fanboys it seems, although there is some good intelligent information to be absorbed there, the signal to noise ratio isn't that grand.

The problem here is that we have CEO's of small companies using these forums for their own personal soap box sometimes, and certainly stuff like the Elbox debacle last month and the battle between HF @ BM won't bring in new users.
What Genesi and Amiga, Inc. really need to do is put it on the line, cold hard facts, new screen shots of software working, perhaps Aminet directories, specifically for MOS/AOS4 working software, an updated list. Real deadlines, and a daily updated news page, it certainly would stop some of the FUD here and other places.

>As for your statement that Genesi has done a lot of shows geared toward
>Amigans and BeOS users and other disenfranchised groups, I agree with this.
>In USA we call this "paying your dues" and I hope they finally get some
>credit for it.

They certainly have, actually to his credit Bill Buck himself is very approachable and quickly responds to emails sent directly to him. Regarding the shows, they seem to have shown up in force, yes the product is beta, yes it crashes (would you expect 10 year old software not to ?) but they have something tangeble that people can sit down and touch. Good for them for forging ahead.

Heck if you're a developer just download the SDK and get pumping, if what I've seen is true (from another thread re: simon the sorcerer and knights) porting Mac software should be pretty simple.

>> @bbrv, Here is a suggestion, send a fully assembled and operating system to
>> Thomas Pabst @ tomshardware.com , He is well respected on the net and seems
>> to have a complete unbiased view of hardware. Let him dissect and review a
>> system, you'll reach more people that way.

>This seems like a good idea, really. Your suggestion would carry more weight
>if you actually put your name on the post though, Onetrack. A lot of people
>read that Tom's Hardware site.

Sure, I feel of all the sites that I requent, toms hardware has the most.. honest opinions of hardware, and is probably one of the most respected sites I know of in the hardware business. The majority of sites these days are driven by advertising, people do have to make money after all, however sometimes editors get jaded in the wrong direction.

Lorne Hammond, 31 years old, amigan since '87. Owned an A500, a CDTV, a CD32+sx32 and an a4000/040 before switching over to a windows machine.

If you want to see my C.V. I'll send it over.

Have worked on large Sun systems up to and including an e6500/28 sparcII 400's w/ 28 gig ram.

Merry Christmas from Sunny Plimmerton, New Zealand, where its 25c in the shade and your skin burns off in 2 minutes.. who needs more than 4% ozone layer anyways.
Pegasos Hits Las Vegas for CES 2003 : Comment 36 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by samface on 22-Dec-2002 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (takemehomegrandma):
"It sure has been a long time since anything Amiga related has been presented in a show of this magnitude, hasn't it?"

But then, this isn't anything Amiga related. It's not an Amiga computer, it's not an Amiga OS, it's not compatible with Amiga and it's not made by an Amiga company. Sure, it can run old Amiga legacy software through emulation, but that hardly makes it any more Amiga related than WinUAE, now does it?

No, that's not trolling. That's the undenyable facts.
Pegasos Hits Las Vegas for CES 2003 : Comment 37 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 15:06 GMT
I've been to Comdex and CES. Unless you have some real publicity before you go and a flashy booth you'll be lost in a sea of junk. Even when the Amiga was at it's peak you could barely find an Amiga product that drew any attention besides the Video Toaster and it was marketed as if it were a non-Amiga product.

If that's what you want to do, go for it. But have flashy demos and a booth that makes you stand out or you're wasting your money. Unless you have something to grab their attention you'll be drowned out in a sea of junk. In an age where killer graphics and music are common... I wish you the best of luck!

Yeah, Amiga people that know you'll be there will seek you out... but they already know about the product and wouldn't be any more likely to buy than they are now.
Pegasos Hits Las Vegas for CES 2003 : Comment 38 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Dec-2002 21:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (samface):
But then, this isn't anything Amiga related.
--

It is for some people.

not an Amiga OS, it's not compatible with Amiga and it's not made by an Amiga company.
--

Not compatible with Amiga? Explain... You'll have a hard time doing that... :)
Not made by an Amiga company? Ok... Then don't use OS4, it's being developed
on cards made by the very same people:)

Sure, it can run old Amiga legacy software through emulation, but that hardly makes it any more Amiga related than WinUAE, now does it?
--

UAE emulates a full Amiga and needs AmigaOS...
Pegasos Hits Las Vegas for CES 2003 : Comment 39 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Dec-2002 05:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Onetrack):
sounds like a plan
Pegasos Hits Las Vegas for CES 2003 : Comment 40 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 23-Dec-2002 15:50 GMT
Well, I just got my van back from some big repairs, and I am still worried that some things might not be good for 2200 miles of winter travel. But I'm going to try to make it down to CES and meet the Genesi people, and Bill Buck. I've already talked to Bill on the phone a couple of times and got a good impression. I'd like to see, face to face. I know he's been brash a couple times here on ANN (so who HASN'T?), but also know that he's made a lot of positive moves, and maybe shouldn't be considered a villian just because the VisCorp one failed. I certainly can't blame him for trying. Live and learn.

The Genesi family is making the rounds of shows and conferences which has me convinced that they are serious about surviving and progressing. They are tackling something huge and are willing to face the unknown. I think they have the dollars and the team and the will to go up against the odds. Right there, they are looking interesting to me.

Should be a good experience!
Pegasos Hits Las Vegas for CES 2003 : Comment 41 of 41ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Dec-2002 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (greenboy):
greenboy typed:

> Well, I just got my van back from some big repairs, and I am still worried
> that some things might not be good for 2200 miles of winter travel.

Erhh, take Amtrak instead dude! Well, Amtrak might be booked but this is Las
Vegas and there should be many discount airplane tickets available! Take ze
plane, Boss!

And once you get there you don't need a rental car. Everything is really
right there. Take the shuttle from the airport to your hotel and walk after
that. If you were going camping at Red Rock or something you might need a
car, but not if you will spend all your time in Vegas, IMO.
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