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Posted on 21-Dec-2002 13:04 GMT by LART312 comments
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Alan Redhouse has posted message in the "AmigaOne" Yahoo group.

It's mainly a list of excuses for the delayed shipment of Teron boards. * E-mail has been left unanswered allegedly due to Eyetech being "mailbombed by viruses" and a DoS script run against their web server.

* For some strange reason Motorola was to deliver CPUs to Eyetech, but they haven't done so.

* Eyetech will, like any other distributor, have to wait for the Teron PX to be finished, including the bugfixed Articia (which still has no bugs, there's only the old VIA DMA bugs according to Eyetech's message).

* The previously announced shipping date for the Teron PX came from an employee who hadn't been brought up to date.

* "All but a few" Teron CX boards and systems have been shipped now.

* Those who won't get their Teron CXes will get a special offer for Teron PXes with PPC750FX (G3) CPUs.

* The "Earlybird" preordering offer for the Teron PX with a "free" copy of AmigaOS will be extended to the end of January.

* Teron CXes with the (non-existing...) Articia bugs can be exchanged for Teron PXes "at current list price less the original A1G3-SE percentage discount with full credit being given for the original amount paid", whatever that could be, plus shipping.

* The web site will be updated with shipping status information on Monday.

* In order to not miss Christmas sales, Eyetech shipped the Teron CX boards without any OS. CDs with SuSE GNU/Linux will be shipped on Monday (not the full retail version). It's the vanilla SuSE 7.3 PPC, without specific Teron support.

* It is "proven by MAI [sic] after extensive testing" that the VIA DMA bugs are unrelated to the Articia northbridge. Well, duh. :-D Eyetech still believes that the bugfixes for the Articia has something to do with previously known issues with the VIA southbridge. Alan also lets us know that the different southbridge of e.g. the Pegasos is "of that family"...

* For Eyetech's own sales, a specific Kingston SDRAM DIMM will be "standardised on".

* To provide the legally regulated minimum warranty period of the EU (24 months), the price of the Terons will be "adjusted to reflect the higher cost" of that for EU customers. It is not mentioned if non-Kingston-sold-by-Eyetech SDRAM will be among the "non-recommended" hardware that will invalidate this warranty.

It is asked that further comments/questions about Alan's message should be sent to info@eyetech.co.uk for inclusion in the web site update on Monday.

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Posted by Darrin on 21-Dec-2002 12:07 GMT
Looks more like a list of facts to me. Any particular reason why you bother reading the A1 list as, from your tone, I don't think you'll be buying an AmigaOne?

Hang on, let me guess... you're a TROLL!!!
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Posted by LART on 21-Dec-2002 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Darrin):
Moderators, feel free to change the "list of excuses" bit to "It mainly addresses the reasons according to Eyetech for the delayed [...]", so that Darrin can find inner peace since he apparently can't read Alan's original message or wait for the PR on Monday.

Thanks.
Teron board delays : Comment 3 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by LART on 21-Dec-2002 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (LART):
While you're at it, throw in an "a" before the message link. I lost it among the <a hrefs> :-)
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 21-Dec-2002 13:04 GMT
Well done for such a non-biased, neutral news item </sarcasm>
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Posted by Darrin on 21-Dec-2002 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (LART):
>> ...so that Darrin can find inner peace since

LOL - thanks :-)

>> he apparently can't read Alan's original message or wait for the PR on Monday.

Yes I have. I read it before I read your posting, which is why your tone was so offensive. There's a difference between making "excuses" for mistakes that you have made then reporting on problems outside of your control.

PS. Merry Xmas.
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Posted by Darrin on 21-Dec-2002 13:52 GMT
The main piece of good news as far as I'm concerned is that the XE boards will all be from the new mask and will not be not "fixed" boards. That's worth a couple of weeks extra waiting time alone.
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Posted by lafranka on 21-Dec-2002 13:58 GMT
Is a dual-CPU-board useful in an AmigaOneXE for AmigaOS4-Users?
Is there any support for multiprocessing in OS4, or is it just for
LinuxPPC-Users?
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Posted by David Scheibler on 21-Dec-2002 14:14 GMT
I wonder if those Linux issues (Radeon7000 only in 1024*768*8bit, only UDMA66
but not 100) also happen on the boards Terrasoft sells because there are no
such issues using the Pegasos board.
Teron board delays : Comment 9 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 21-Dec-2002 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Darrin):
Typical fucking stupid trolling MorphOS luser. Didn't take them long.

You'll also notice he made no mention of the dual G4 board. He
specifically only pointed out the bad stuff to fuel the campaign of
FUD.

Well done!
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Posted by ehaines on 21-Dec-2002 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (LART):
You know, not everyone lies about everything. I think this is a case
of projecting your own personality onto Alan. Fortunately, I can
confirm some of the things that Alan writes about (got my AmigaOne
board a earlier this week), so there's no reason to doubt the rest.
BTW, it's not quite a Teron board; no need for childishness. It makes
you look bad.
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Posted by dammy on 21-Dec-2002 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (ehaines):
Other then the ROM doggle, what's the difference?

Dammy
Teron board delays : Comment 12 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by LART on 21-Dec-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (lafranka):
> Is a dual-CPU-board useful in an AmigaOneXE for AmigaOS4-Users?

No.
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Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 21-Dec-2002 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (LART):
Stop making claims about something that you don't have the slightest idea about, ok?

You should know that, do you?
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Posted by NeRP on 21-Dec-2002 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (ehaines):
I haven't seen any 'Amiga camp' supporters do *anything* to any of
this morefuss crap we're forced to see this week....

Nice that they return the favor by turning around and posting this as
news before "we" do, but just pointing out all the negative aspects.

You people are losers.
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Posted by Alex Klauke on 21-Dec-2002 14:49 GMT
Doh, some people should learn to make a distinction between Teron and AmigaOne
boards.. ;-(

First, the headline is ways too much of a generalization as only the AmigaOne-XE
boards are being delayed, as you also write the SE's have shipped already.
"AmigaOne XE board delays" would be more on spot.

Then there is nothing said about that Eyetech (or Terrasoft for that matter)
will produce/ship TeronPX boards only with the new ArticiaS mask revision (so it
may be that they let produce/sell old revision _TeronPX_ boards), but all
_AmigaOne-XE_ boards will _definately_ have the newer one. Even if its most
probably the case that the to be shipped TeronPX and AmigaOne-XE boards will
share the same ArticiaS revision it is not guaranteed, as Alan just did not say
anything about Teron boards at all. And this can definitely make a difference
in the Linux driver version you'll have to use on either board.

Just an observation and a hint to handle Teron/AmigaOne as different products
'cause they may not at any time share the same charateristics (and if its 'only'
the chipset revision.. ;-)

Ciao, Alex
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Posted by LART on 21-Dec-2002 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (NeRP):
> Typical fucking stupid trolling MorphOS luser. Didn't take them long.

Watch your language there, shithead. :-)

What the hell does an OS have to do with premature hardware shipping announcements?

And no, I have never used the OS you speak of in my life.

"Them"? Who? I'm the only one at this keyboard as far as I can see. Or is it the Usual Vast MorphOS Conspiracy you're talking about?

> You'll also notice he made no mention of the dual G4 board.

That the Teron PX can be fitted with SMP modules is hardly anything new, now is it? You'll also notice that I failed to mention the PS2 keyboard port on the mobo.

> He specifically only pointed out the bad stuff

Alan did that, but with a bizarre marketing "this is good for you" spin. Just in what way would a copy-n-paste of a marketing announcement which presents bad "news" as something positive have been interesting? If you want the version translated back to marketese, click the link.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Dec-2002 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (ehaines):
> You know, not everyone lies about everything.

I know, in this message Alan only lied once. A great improvement.

> BTW, it's not quite a Teron board; no need for childishness. It makes
> you look bad.

What do you mean, "not quite"? Eyetech is a distributor of Teron boards. Where have you been the last year or so? The Teron CX is distributed under the trademark "AmigaOne G3SE", and the Teron PX will be sold as "AmigaOne XE".

So?

What do you mean is "childish" about that? I thought that was a sore nerve only with Alan, and only way back when he lied about "the AmigaOne is not a Teron CX". That's water under the bridge.
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Posted by David Scheibler on 21-Dec-2002 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (NeRP):
Please tell me what are the positive aspects in Alan's posting.

That A1 XE won't be shipped as several times announced before x-mas? That not
all AmigaOne SE orders were possible to proceed? That you have to pay carriage
if you want to exchange your developer board? That some boards were not
delivered with Linux? That the Linux distribution does not support floppy? That
the Linux distribution does only support UDMA66 but not UDMA100? That the Linux
distribution does only support "768*1024[!] in 8 bit" when you use a
Radeon7000? That however Voodoo3 cards "seem to work properly"? That this is
enough for Amiga users? That you only have a 12 months warranty? That you have
a 24 month warranty if you live in the EU but that you have to buy an even
higher price then? That you only have warranty if you use "recommended
hardware" (where is the non-recommended list?)? That there won't be a trade-in
for the AmigaOne SE for a XE?
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Posted by SimplePPC on 21-Dec-2002 15:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (David Scheibler):
Hi David, is it true that yuu have a small company that tries to sell Pegasos boards to the industry ? Would explain a lot of things.
Next time you see me on a show (i heard you were at ARC 2002) have the courage to talk to me. Actually, not a lot of pro MOS people talked to me, excpet MacGregg, who was pretty friendly.
BTW, what is your opinion on public showing of Quake2 in Germany ?
Teron board delays : Comment 20 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by LART on 21-Dec-2002 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Hey Hans-Joerg, I hate to break it to you but no, AmigaOS 4.0 will not be an SMP aware/utilising OS.

If you're implying otherwise, then:

* you're either lying
* or we'll be waiting another year for 4.0 to be rewritten for SMP
* or you've got an absolutely fantastic surprise that nobody knew about or could even imagine! :-)

Of course it's entirely possible that the poster in comment #7 meant "4.x", or defined "useful" as "fun to run Linux on while waiting for an SMP capable version of AmigaOS4".
Teron board delays : Comment 21 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 21-Dec-2002 15:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
So your saying that AmigaOS4 will utilize dual-cpu's?
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Posted by mahen on 21-Dec-2002 15:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (SimplePPC):
Please, don't generalize !!! Most MorphOS users are very friendly, and
I'm sure, most OS4 enthusiasts as well ! There a always a few
<favorite insult> for throwing mud at the others.. Just ignore them !

BTW, MOS users like me can be open to OS4 too...
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Posted by NeRP on 21-Dec-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (LART):
> What the hell does an OS have to do with premature hardware shipping
> announcements? And no, I have never used the OS you speak of in my
> life.

Uh huh. Are we to expect that you posted like that out of the
goodness of your heart? You're a troll.

But anyway, I'm glad you've never used MoreFuss. I won't use it
either, ever. Not now.... just like I'll never buy one of those
damned X-10 cameras I've seen on spam popups.

> That the Teron PX can be fitted with SMP modules is hardly anything
> new, now is it? You'll also notice that I failed to mention the PS2
> keyboard port on the mobo.

Yup, you didn't mention the PS2 port. *ONLY* because you couldn't
find anything bad to say about it, right troll?

> Alan did that, but with a bizarre marketing "this is good for you"
> spin. Just in what way would a copy-n-paste of a marketing
> announcement which presents bad "news" as something positive have
> been interesting? If you want the version translated back to
> marketese, click the
> link.

Alan did exactly what a majority of us wanted him to do.... that is,
be upfront with us, and let us know what is going on. It wasn't meant
for slags like you. You just posted up a bunch of shit in a way to
make it look worse than it already is. We wait... so what....?
That's probably the worst part of the whole message.

And, lets note.... I find it strangely interesting that "LART" who
belongs in no camp but likes to slam anything related to AmigaOS is
immediately backed up by who?

<drum roll> (for suspense, because we couldn't hazard a guess)

None other than David Scheibler

(but he's not in any camp either)
Teron board delays : Comment 24 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by C on 21-Dec-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (LART):
The poster just said AmigaOS4, not specifying a revision number. As Hans-Joerg is one of the developers on OS4 I suspect he may have a hell of a lot more of a clue about what it will support than you do. It is not wise to question one of the developers if they say something will be supported, it just makes you look (more) stupid.

Again, my plea to the moderators: PLEASE DELETE THESE POINTLESS TROLLING NEWS ITEMS, or at least reword them so they don't look like they have been written by a jealous three year old, if they do contain actual news.
Teron board delays : Comment 25 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 21-Dec-2002 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (David Scheibler):
>>Please tell me what are the positive aspects in Alan's posting.

Perpare to be enlightened:

1. They've managed to get their system back up-and-running despite the virus attacks.
2. They have shipped all but a few for their A1G3-SE boards/systems.
3. Outstanding SE customers will receieve a discounted offer to upgrade their order to a G3-EX as the SE's have apparently sold out.
4. The "Early bird offer" is extended until then end of Jan 2003.
5. A1-SE unfixed/dev boards can be exchanged for an XE by paying the difference.
6. All XE mobos will be from the new mask and will not require a "fix".

Is that enough for you? Of course, you probably regard this as bad news... for YOU. ;-)
Teron board delays : Comment 26 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 21-Dec-2002 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Darrin):
>Is that enough for you? Of course, you probably regard this as bad news... for
>YOU. ;-)

Damn you got me ;) Well what I most dislike is this "everything is perfect
attitude" when it is not. It's the same with for example some announcements
from Genesi in regard of Aachen ("All dealers will get boards", sure they got
boards but how many?).
Teron board delays : Comment 27 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 21-Dec-2002 15:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Darrin):
hahaha :-)
Teron board delays : Comment 28 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 21-Dec-2002 15:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (SimplePPC):
"Hi David, is it true that yuu have a small company that tries to sell Pegasos boards to the industry ? Would explain a lot of things."

Let me answer this with the words of Mr. Alan Redhouse: "BULLSHIT!"


"Next time you see me on a show (i heard you were at ARC 2002) have the courage to talk to me."

This may come as surprise to you, but not every Amiga user knows what the famous Timothy de Groote looks like. Therefore, some people (including me) didn't even notice that you were at the Aachen show.
Teron board delays : Comment 29 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 21-Dec-2002 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (David Scheibler):
>>Well what I most dislike is this "everything is perfect
attitude" when it is not.

You only have to look at how much Eyetech, Hyperion and Thendic get attack when they put a positive spin on things to imagine how much worse the attacks would be if they were negative in their outlooks!!! :-)

Besides, everyone should try to be positive. Personally, I sleep with a coathanger in my mouth just so that I wake up with a smile on my face.
Teron board delays : Comment 30 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 21-Dec-2002 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Darrin):
Yep, why be agressive ? Why not be optimistic about the progresses
in both sides ?
Teron board delays : Comment 31 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Dec-2002 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (mahen):
on both sides ?
Teron board delays : Comment 32 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by chillout on 21-Dec-2002 16:35 GMT
Sadly this bunch of crap is moderated up to news...
Teron board delays : Comment 33 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 21-Dec-2002 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Please.. Show us all PPC-running beta of OS4 so that we can actually see that you at Hyperion are capable of finishing this OS4 project. So far it's taken a year and only things you have been able to publish have been few screenshots of hacked up 68k code running on old A4000 and lots of hype of upcoming features.
Teron board delays : Comment 34 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 21-Dec-2002 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (chillout):
Doesn't surprise me any.... :)
Teron board delays : Comment 35 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 21-Dec-2002 16:55 GMT
I seem to remember another item some time back that didn't get news status because of the personal reflections made in it. I guess that that rule doesn't apply equally in all cases. Ohh well. As long as it's just someone bashing AInc,Hyperion or Eyetech then it's okey for a news item I guess.

/Björn
Teron board delays : Comment 36 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 21-Dec-2002 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Björn Hagström):
I don't think it's ok, but I don't think the moderators has been around alot the last couple of days. seems like Teemu is the only one around and then he gets to it at the evenings for the most part(or something like that).

it's christmas, everyone is busy shopping presents and stuff. I guess that's why a thing like this could slip. There are a number of things in this submission that are either outright wrong or very colored by the posters own opinion. That's not how it should be reported.
Teron board delays : Comment 37 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 21-Dec-2002 17:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (JoannaK):
Got that right. Where's this mythical AOS4? Not running on any A1's, that's for damned sure.
Teron board delays : Comment 38 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Dec-2002 17:57 GMT
Phew, It's only the Teron board. You had me going for a minute, though there might be some horrendous delay in AmigaOnes.

Now get back under your brigde you Troll.
Teron board delays : Comment 39 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Dec-2002 17:59 GMT
You forgot to mention the new dual CPU modules that will be shown in January.
Teron board delays : Comment 40 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 21-Dec-2002 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (reflect):
Couldn't some of the people who think this summary contains things
which are untrue just point out exactly WHAT is untrue about it
instead of just going "wah wah this post stinks, bloody morphos
conspiracy" about it?

Reading both it and the original post by Alan I can't find any factual
errors. Yes, some clarifications which aren't mentioned so clearly in
Alan's letter, but unless there's anything wrong in it (and if there
is, why don't you point it out?) then that's just like it should be.
Teron board delays : Comment 41 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 21-Dec-2002 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Well a dual cpu board is NOT useful for aos4 users, simply cause there is NO aos4 and thus there are NO aos4 users and I am sure it will be a long long time before there will be any(or an aos4 for that matter), if ever. In the same way a single cpu board isn`t useful for potential aos4 users.
Teron board delays : Comment 42 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 21-Dec-2002 18:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (reflect):
Go ahead and tell me what is exactly not true about this news item :-)
Teron board delays : Comment 43 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 21-Dec-2002 18:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Johan Rönnblom):
I never said anything about some conspiracy. I said it was littered with personal opinions and also contains an error. The use of 'teron' boards, which is fairly wrong. This is about the AmigaOne XE, and -only- that model that will be delayed.
By using Teron, this implies that all boards are to be delayed, which isn't the case here, and I know for a fact that you know this too.
That was the error I spoke of. The rest of the "submission" is highly opinionated to say the least. A news submission should try to be unbiased (I know this is impossible, but this one didn't even try to be unbiased.).

Good enough explanation?
Teron board delays : Comment 44 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 21-Dec-2002 18:57 GMT
Ok, now that we know that AmigaONE and AmigaOS are only imaginary dreams of some people let's all get over it. Did any of you people really expected that some serious shit is happening at AmigaINC, Eyetech and Hyperion ? All these three little companies are only a bunch of fucking loosers.
Teron board delays : Comment 45 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by chillout on 21-Dec-2002 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Johan Rönnblom):
The author mentioned his coloured opinion in this article in nearly every point. If you call it a comment, I have no problem with it!

>For some strange reason Motorola was

>"All but a few" Teron CX boards and systems have been shipped now

>for the Teron PX with a "free" copy of AmigaOS

>Teron CXes with the (non-existing...) Articia bugs can be exchanged for Teron >PXes "at current list price less the original A1G3-SE percentage discount with >full credit being given for the original amount paid", whatever that could be, >plus shipping.

>In order to not miss Christmas sales, Eyetech shipped the Teron CX boards >without any OS.

>It is "proven by MAI [sic] after extensive testing" that the VIA DMA bugs are >unrelated to the Articia northbridge. Well, duh. :-D Eyetech still believes >that the bugfixes for the Articia has something to do with previously known >issues with the VIA southbridge. Alan also lets us know that the different >southbridge of e.g. the Pegasos is "of that family"...

These are only a few examples for his "objective" sight ;-)
Teron board delays : Comment 46 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Burström on 21-Dec-2002 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (amorel):
... hus there are NO aos4 users ...
Tell that to the growing list of betatesters. I feel sorry for them. They have to disappear just because you said so...

and to Johan R:
Well, the post didn't exactly contain any errors, but the list of changes and additions to this 'news item' grows long and clearly shows the bias of the poster.

regards,
Stefan
Teron board delays : Comment 47 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by elektro on 21-Dec-2002 19:12 GMT
it's always nice to see the christmas spirit in mos folks that care so much about us amiga users and when we get our boards...
Teron board delays : Comment 48 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by amorel on 21-Dec-2002 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Stefan Burström):
"Tell that to the growing list of betatesters. I feel sorry for them. They have to disappear just because you said so"

Ok you "could" call a bunch of aminet hacks slapped together running on classic amigas aos4, but I`d say it`s stretching it a lot and it`s a far cry from being anything near a new os. I also wouldn`t call an exec which appears to boot on a ppc mobo an "os". So there is no aos4 running on ppc mobos being tested by beta testers.
Teron board delays : Comment 49 of 312ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 21-Dec-2002 19:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Stefan Burström):
There's no point in replying to this amorel person. It's not like the current comments from amorel are the first ones with trolling in them.

/Björn
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Posted by Mickael on 21-Dec-2002 19:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Stefan Burström):
@Stefan Burström

> Tell that to the growing list of betatesters. I feel sorry for them. They have to disappear just because you said so...

Sorry there are no AmigaOS 4 users. There betatesters of some elements which will be integrated in AmigaOS 4, but all of them still use this elements under AmigaOS 3.x with the original Exec.

As soon as they still use OS 3.x exec, it'll still be OS 3.x, enhanced indeed, but OS 3.x. When people will be able to use ExecSG to run their applications and use the elements they already betatest today with this new ExecSG, then yes they'll be users of AmigaOS 4. But before that they're just betatesters of updated high level elements under AmigaOS 3.x.
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