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| Posted on 21-Dec-2002 13:04 GMT by LART | 312 comments
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Alan Redhouse has posted message in the "AmigaOne" Yahoo group.
It's mainly a list of excuses for the delayed shipment of Teron boards.
* E-mail has been left unanswered allegedly due to Eyetech being "mailbombed by viruses" and a DoS script run against their web server.
* For some strange reason Motorola was to deliver CPUs to Eyetech, but they haven't done so.
* Eyetech will, like any other distributor, have to wait for the Teron PX to be finished, including the bugfixed Articia (which still has no bugs, there's only the old VIA DMA bugs according to Eyetech's message).
* The previously announced shipping date for the Teron PX came from an employee who hadn't been brought up to date.
* "All but a few" Teron CX boards and systems have been shipped now.
* Those who won't get their Teron CXes will get a special offer for Teron PXes with PPC750FX (G3) CPUs.
* The "Earlybird" preordering offer for the Teron PX with a "free" copy of AmigaOS will be extended to the end of January.
* Teron CXes with the (non-existing...) Articia bugs can be exchanged for Teron PXes "at current list price less the original A1G3-SE
percentage discount with full credit being given for the original amount
paid", whatever that could be, plus shipping.
* The web site will be updated with shipping status information on Monday.
* In order to not miss Christmas sales, Eyetech shipped the Teron CX boards without any OS. CDs with SuSE GNU/Linux will be shipped on Monday (not the full retail version). It's the vanilla SuSE 7.3 PPC, without specific Teron support.
* It is "proven by MAI [sic] after extensive testing" that the VIA DMA bugs are unrelated to the Articia northbridge. Well, duh. :-D Eyetech still believes that the bugfixes for the Articia has something to do with previously known issues with the VIA southbridge. Alan also lets us know that the different southbridge of e.g. the Pegasos is "of that family"...
* For Eyetech's own sales, a specific Kingston SDRAM DIMM will be "standardised on".
* To provide the legally regulated minimum warranty period of the EU (24 months), the price of the Terons will be "adjusted to reflect the higher cost" of that for EU customers. It is not mentioned if non-Kingston-sold-by-Eyetech SDRAM will be among the "non-recommended" hardware that will invalidate this warranty.
It is asked that further comments/questions about Alan's message should be sent to info@eyetech.co.uk for inclusion in the web site update on Monday.
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| Teron board delays : Comment 151 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 14:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 150 (Anonymous):
That was me, BTW... |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 154 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 14:46 GMT | In reply to Comment 144 (Darrin):
> So, when my camp gets attacked by another ...
> All Chris needs to do is appoint a Pro-Amiga Inc/AmigaOne moderator ...
Jeez. Think, then post!
Then again, maybe you actually do think in terms of "camps" and "sides", which kind of invaluates anything you write on related subjects.
So you have posted a news item with factually incorrect information (and not as a personal comment, and the correct information was not included at all) as a "lighthearted stab" at what you as a good "camp" member think of as "the other side". Then you have the guts to turn up as comment #1 shouting "TROLL" because a factually CORRECT news item does not entirely convey the feel-good marketing from a company that you admittedly think of as being part of "your camp". Then you go on to suggest that moderaotors should be classified and selected based on these "sides" and "camps".
This is absurd.
To everyone it might concern: Screw *all* your camps and sides, you damn zealot freaks! |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 155 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 22-Dec-2002 14:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 128 (Darrin):
Darrin wrote:
"The WHOLE point of that post was that the Thendic posting was so badly
written that it could be interpreted as the motherboard was all you got for
the price as the mobo was called a 'BetaTester' and the complete system was
called a 'BetaTester System'."
The point is that you deliberately misinterpreted the statement and
put out a "news" item that contained factual errors, even though you
*KNEW* about these factual errors.
This article, on the other hand, does as far as I know not contain
such errors.
Personally I think it was ok to post something with the subtitle "an
offer you can refuse", and to insert whatever twists you want of the
original marketing talk, but it's NOT ok to deliberately post untruth. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 156 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 22-Dec-2002 14:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 154 (LART):
No, it's not absurd. We're all in so called "camps", and I used the word because that's the label that everyone throws around. "Camps", "Sides", "Supporters" - it's all the same thing. Simply put, I've ordered an AmigaOne so I'm automatically the the AmigaOne camp according to everyone who isn't getting an AmigaOne.
I can only assume from your rather "angry" attitude now, that you're pretty pi$$ed off that you've been caught out as a Troll and that less MOS "Camp" supporters have crawled out from under their skirting boards to support you than you expected. Couple that with the fact that each and every one of your lame-a$$ed statements has been shot down in a ball of flames...
Still, that's half the fun of posting on ANN, and not everybody starts a thread that gets over 150 comments. Be proud of your BS!!! Stand up tall and tell the world "I am a Troll!!!". Well done, and I can't wait to read your next feeble attempt at spin-doctoring ;-) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 157 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 22-Dec-2002 15:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 155 (Johan Rönnblom):
>>Personally I think it was ok to post something with the subtitle "an
>>offer you can refuse", and to insert whatever twists you want of the
>>original marketing talk, but it's NOT ok to deliberately post untruth.
I agree, and the "untruth" you're talking about was "satire" and wasn't supposed to be taken as "The Truth".
The fact is that the wording on the website was wrong/confusing. I posted a tongue-in-cheak summary of it based directly on the information containing on the website and then I waited for SOMEONE at Thendic to post something like "Dohh!!! Our mistake, we mean SYSTEMS".
The article here is not about that. It's about ripping apart an update from Eyetech, pulling out snippets and then putting a negative spin on them punctuated with downright lies (TetronCE is NOT an AmigaOne - for example). |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 158 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 22-Dec-2002 15:10 GMT | LOL, all these poor Eyetech fans are crying now, anfter said that only Bplan had problems with Articia.
Poor poor AMigaOne experts. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 159 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Eva on 22-Dec-2002 15:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 1 (Darrin):
Don't cry if you have to wait 1 of April to have an A1. LOL |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 160 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 22-Dec-2002 15:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 158 (Eva):
>>LOL, all these poor Eyetech fans are crying now, anfter said that only Bplan >>had problems with Articia. Poor poor AMigaOne experts.
Hmmm, I don't know what thread YOU'RE reading... all I see is a feeble attempt at spin-doctoring and a few MOS supporters defending their right to lie. Mind you, as you fall into that last category I guess you're just doing the same thing as your peers. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 161 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alan (no not from Eyetech) on 22-Dec-2002 15:18 GMT | Eyetech is NOT and should NEVER be called a professional company,
All amiga shops are a total bunch of complete amateurs and should not be supported,
So drop all the bullshit you Eyetech supporters as the incompetence of Alan and the bunch of amateur workers have been exposed. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 162 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 22-Dec-2002 15:20 GMT | In reply to Comment 159 (Eva):
>>Don't cry if you have to wait 1 of April to have an A1. LOL
LOL, obviously you're just crawled out of your hole in the ground after a week of binge drinking and you have to be excused for the fact that you're blissfully unaware of the fact that the production AmigaOne SE's are already out and in the hands of customers. Yawn... |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 163 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 22-Dec-2002 15:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 161 (Alan (no not from Eyetech)):
Now let me guess.... your either Bill Gates or Steve Jobs...
Have you ever fancied going on a date with Eva? I think you two would get on well... |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 164 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 15:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 153 (Fabio Alemagna):
>> is however interesting that there will be such an trade-in scheme to begin with
>> from Eyetech, since the fix consists of a fixed Articia northbridge,
> May I ask you where have you taken that information from?
The current Articia S revision will be replaced by a new revision, while the VIA southbridge containing the only bugs acknowledged by Eyetech will *not* be replaced.
The Articia replacement info comes from Alan's message, combined with that Terra Soft will not be selling the currently available Teron CX boards but will wait until the fixed ones are available some time in January, and that the "April" fix was an interim fix while waiting for a fixed Articia S core.
Alan: "We made a
decision last week that it would not be possible to produce the XE's in
time for Christmas delivery and so have postponed production until mid
January. This is to allow us to use the new mask revision of the Articia
chip, currently being released."
Ignoring for a moment that this quote makes it sound as if Eyetech would have any say on design or manufacturing of the boards they're selling, he says that it's to allow for board manufacturing with the new Articia S revision, which is only a bugfix revision since it's still the same Articia S with no new features.
The continued use of the VIA 686B sb on both the CX and PX comes from e-mails from Mai, and their CX and PX designs and features are the same as before.
If the April "sandwich" board fix would have been only for the VIA DMA bugs it would naturally have been placed on the VIA southbridge. (Not only because of the obvious technical reasons, but it would also have been cheaper and easier due to it's older, smaller and less complicated BGA layout, and the VIA 686 chips are much more well documented than something like the Articia. Alan makes it sound like the April fix and the following Pegasos trade-ins were solely made out of spite or just for fun or something, just like Mai's new Articia revision obviously would be by his logic...) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 165 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Senex on 22-Dec-2002 15:43 GMT | @Anonymous #149 (24.27.253.39):
Regarding your comparing of Pegasos and Teron: even the Pegasos's
technical advantages aside, i.e. even assuming both boards were
actually more or less the same, then still one could prefer the
Pegasos for two reasons: 1) the supported manufacturer would be an
Amiga-related company that furthermore even develops an Amiga-like OS
from the money they'll make with the hardware-sales, and 2) the
bplan-guys are at least hardware-developers themselves, so they can
discover and fix any problems themselves instead of being just a
dealer and relying completely on the information given (or not
given) by the actual manufacturer.
@LART(150):
Just since you're speaking about OS4 being feature-frozen and in
beta-testing: In the comments-section to the corresponding news-item
at Amiga-News.de, yesterday it was claimed that Hyperion now suddenly
would have changed their concept for implementing the 68k-emulation
into OS4. Instead of the MMU they now would use traps to handle this
(you know, the solution that is used by MorphOS and has been called
"primitive" by Hyperion's Ben Hermans). Still this claim has not been
denyed by Hyperion... |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 166 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 16:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 156 (Darrin):
> We're all in so called "camps" ...
The hell we are.
> Simply put, I've ordered an AmigaOne so I'm automatically the the AmigaOne
> camp according to everyone who isn't getting an AmigaOne.
That's a pretty screwed up way of "reasoning". You're a customer who bought a product, like anyone else who buys a product. If you think that's a valid reason to "defend" the product you bought, the company you bought it from and other customers who bought the same product as well as "attacking" other products, companies and customers, then I suggest that you grow up. Now.
> I can only assume from your rather "angry" attitude now, that you're pretty
> pi$$ed off that you've been caught out as a Troll and that less MOS "Camp"
> supporters have crawled out from under their skirting boards to support you
> than you expected. Couple that with the fact that each and every one of your
> lame-a$$ed statements has been shot down in a ball of flames...
I'm sorry for having at least tried to participate in a discussion. Either you're 10 years old, or emotionally challenged. If you're not 10 years old, seek help. Place yourself in a camp, group or side based on remotely meaningful things like philosophy, religion, politics or just a general point of view on life in general. Don't waste your emotions on categorizing people according to product purchases. Don't take negative news about a commercial entity as a "personal attack".
> Well done, and I can't wait to read your next feeble attempt at spin-doctoring
> ;-)
I just might post something about what you think of as "the MorphOS camp", since you apparently think of a hardware vendor as belonging to the "AmigaOS camp" or whatever. Just wait until there are similar lame irrelevant excuses, paranoic ramblings about imagined sabotage, gross technical ignorance, delusions of grandeur and crap thrown at other companies for no reason, all being announced as the best thing since sliced bread, and I'll gladly post a similar item cutting through the crap like now. Of course, the pathetic microcephalic zealots from "the other side" will protest, but like now there will be no reason not to ignore them. Bye. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 167 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Darrin on 22-Dec-2002 16:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 166 (LART):
Was it something I said? <mock indignation> |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 168 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 16:10 GMT | In reply to Comment 165 (Senex):
"Regarding your comparing of Pegasos and Teron: even the Pegasos's
technical advantages aside, i.e. even assuming both boards were
actually more or less the same"
LOL! Care to elaborate on what the technical advantages of the Pegasos are??? Go ahead, it will be interesting to see what you call a technical advantage
"then still one could prefer the Pegasos for two reasons: 1) the supported manufacturer would be an Amiga-related company that furthermore even develops an Amiga-like OS from the money they'll make with the hardware-sales, and "
So, you are saying that no other company can become an Amiga related company just because bPlan built the Pegasos? And if they do people should not buy their product? As for the Amiga-like OS, I'll wait for the real thing. If it doesn't ever make it to market, so be it. Then the Amiga will, for me, be dead, and I will move along with MacOS X and probably the next version of Windows.
"2) the bplan-guys are at least hardware-developers themselves, so they can
discover and fix any problems themselves instead of being just a
dealer and relying completely on the information given (or not
given) by the actual manufacturer"
And we all know that the Mai are so incompetent (that's how they made the Artica chipset) that they couldn't possibly find their way out of a paper bag without the help of bPlan. Muchless, they could never possibly produce a motherboard based on their own chipset that could ever be as good as bPlan.
And this logic (I realize you are IMPLYING toward Eyetech) will follow true for each and every reseller of the Pegasos as well. So look in the mirror my friend. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 169 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Senex on 22-Dec-2002 16:30 GMT | In reply to Comment 168 (Anonymous):
It's not a matter of MAI's abilities but just of their interests.
Think about it. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 170 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 22-Dec-2002 16:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 165 (Senex):
> [68k emulation concepts changed for AOS4.0]
Hmm, ich spreche Deutsch ziemlich gut, but I can't find this being claimed by anyone from Hyperion in that thread. Got a comment number, or was it some reference to another thread?
Still, it seems that the term "beta version" is being used rather... ahem... liberally these days.
When Hans-Joerg (or was it Thomas? I apologize for mixing you up) Frieden recently said on the OS4 mailinglist that OS4.0 had been released in a beta version, he was asked if it was "complete", to which the reply was simply, and I quote, "Mostly". It feels like there has been a lot of "we're currently looking into that", "we're thinking of implementing XYZ" lately, which is rather worrying for a commercial release happening any time soon. :-( Freeze it, test it and release it damnit! Then we have something to play with until 4.1. :-) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 171 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 17:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 169 (Senex):
"It's not a matter of MAI's abilities but just of their interests.
Think about it."
What, now even MAI have some secret intrest or agenda? |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 172 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 22-Dec-2002 17:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 148 (Darrin):
"So why do multi-million dollar companies from all over the world suffer these problems daily if it's so easy to avoid? Perhaps it's because the rest of us humble humas are not quite as perfect as you ;-)"
simple answer - they don't.
Not the ones with A Clue, anyway. It is rare for a company to be hit by a virus these days, and CERTAINLY not for it to knock them out of action for 10 days at a time.
These problems ARE simplicity themselves to avoid. Period.
Install vvirus checking software, and keep the virus definitions up-to-date. Problem solved.
Oh, and if you do work for a company where the staff are so braindead that they insist on clicking on "I love you" attachments, the answer is still trivially easy - virus-scan ALL incomming email. It's what we do. It works.
Finally, simply bounce attachments such as .vbs, .exe etc. Problem solved.
Like I say, it really is trivially simple. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 173 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by squashgut on 22-Dec-2002 17:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 170 (LART):
LART blurted out:
> When Hans-Joerg (or was it Thomas? I apologize for mixing you up) Frieden
> recently said on the OS4 mailinglist that OS4.0 had been released in a beta
> version, he was asked if it was "complete", to which the reply was simply,
> and I quote, "Mostly". It feels like there has been a lot of "we're
> currently looking into that", "we're thinking of implementing XYZ" lately,
> which is rather worrying for a commercial release happening any time soon. :-(
> Freeze it, test it and release it damnit! Then we have something to play
> with until 4.1. :-)
The last line is of interest... Freeze it.. test it and then release it. Hmmmm. So what you are saying here is that you prefer them to just hurry up and release an unfinished product just so you can happily put it to shame right?
I also have a problem with your logic. You want them to freeze it.. which means stop what they are doing .... and then test it? Did I see that right? Test it?? Why even test it if your next command for them is to release it? I mean testing won't do no good at all.. so that step won't make sense..
Basically in a nutshell... you desire them to stop working on it right now. Test their unfinished product and then release it to the public... just to satistfy yourself? Great! encourage these people to pump out unfinished products!
Now I'm mad.
This kind of complete 100% bullshit policy companies have of throwing out unfinished products is why Microsuck... I mean.. Microsuck... argh! (You know who I mean...) keeps putting out buggy shit.
You are the type of person who seems to enjoy having a bunch of low quality software out there aren't ya?
I for one was suckered into buying a video game not too long ago... and found out that the company that made it.... rushed it to be finished and didn't take care to finish some aspects of the game. Settlers IV still today is hated as much as it is loved by the very same people who own and play it.
I can recall a popular Amiga game by ClickBoom, that was "never finished".... oh let me see....... Napalm! Now there is a game that really would have become a much bigger monster of a hit if it just simply had the internet option enabled. They partially put it in... hoping to fix it later...
Yeah... that attitude again. Fix it later... just release so some people can be "pacified"
Do yourself a favor LART... go to a baby store and buy a damn pacifier and shove it in your mouth. I'd suggest you also get one for your ass as you seem to be spewing out a lot of shit lately... but I heard you were so constipated that when you sneeze, diarhea comes out your nose.
We don't need your worthless suggestion that the developers of AmigaOS 4.0 needs to stop what they are doing and release an unfinished product. Because that would KILL the company for good if they did that.
I know.. because I know several 1,000 people who "Swear to God" they will never buy anything from either Blue Byte and it's owner, UBISOFT ever again because they released a mission CD which doesn't work without an online patch.
Now we can all sit back and watch that company go to hell.. because since their product didn't do so well... (gee... it was unfinished) ... investors are jumping off the f-cking ship to save their lives.
Amiga shouldn't dare to release OS 4.0 until it's good and g-ddamn ready!
IN fact.. just to spite you all... (yeah even you NeRP :PP :PP) I sincerely hope it takes another 8 months for Amiga OS 4 to be ready.
naanaa naa naaboo boo. :PP
I'd prefer them release a kick ass version... thouroughly tested.. analy probed up the ass for imperfections... SUPER OS.. rather than a unfinished, pacifying LART-approved, box of shit that will cause the whole company to go down the toilet.
And speaking of toilet........ LART... please go take some medicine for your constipation... I'm really tired of seeing your diarhea all over these forums. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 174 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 17:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 172 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
"simple answer - they don't.
Not the ones with A Clue, anyway. It is rare for a company to be hit by a virus these days, and CERTAINLY not for it to knock them out of action for 10 days at a time.
These problems ARE simplicity themselves to avoid. Period.
Install vvirus checking software, and keep the virus definitions up-to-date. Problem solved.
Oh, and if you do work for a company where the staff are so braindead that they insist on clicking on "I love you" attachments, the answer is still trivially easy - virus-scan ALL incomming email. It's what we do. It works.
Finally, simply bounce attachments such as .vbs, .exe etc. Problem solved.
Like I say, it really is trivially simple."
If that's what you believe, you are seriously outta touch or living in a dream world. I have to deal with this type of company every week. I always here the same things: "Yeah, we have anti-virus software" (check it and it's never been updated for the last year) or my personal favorite "I've got antivirus software, but I keep it turned off cause it makes things run slower".
I will agree that 10 days is a long time to claim down time due to virus attacks, but painting it to say that companies rarely get virus infections is pure BS. They regularly get them, both large and small companies, because there is always some break in the link of defense. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 175 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by dammy on 22-Dec-2002 17:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 173 (squashgut):
<RK>Can't we all just get along?</RK>
Dammy |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 176 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 18:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 168 (Anonymous):
>As for the Amiga-like OS, I'll wait for the real thing. If it doesn't ever
>make it to market, so be it. Then the Amiga will, for me, be dead, and I will
>move along with MacOS X and probably the next version of Windows.
So speaks a dickhead!
"I want pork, pork is for me!" - "There is this nice beefsteak..." - "NO, no!
If i can't get my pork I become vegetarian!!!" |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 177 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by tinman on 22-Dec-2002 18:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 173 (squashgut):
No, he means freeze the features, as it sounds like they are still considering adding things. When you get feature creep in products you get less managability, more work, more difficult testing and longer completion times.
The fact that Hyperion have committed to future versions of the OS means they can freeze 4.0 at its current state, get it out and get people using it. Then add new features for 4.1 or later. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 178 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 18:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 176 (Anonymous):
"So speaks a dickhead!
"I want pork, pork is for me!" - "There is this nice beefsteak..." - "NO, no!
If i can't get my pork I become vegetarian!!!""
LOL! You amuse me. Yeah, I do like pork....Ummmm white meat. Steak is ok, but I'm not crazy about it. This is making me hungry. And hey, you won't starve eating your veggies! |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 179 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 22-Dec-2002 18:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 172 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
People would be amazed if they really knew how Business was done. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 180 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by AmiTroll on 22-Dec-2002 19:07 GMT | In reply to Comment 173 (squashgut):
>rather than a unfinished, pacifying LART-approved, box of shi
LOL! You got to admit he nailed LART with that one. :)
We should all contribute to a flamers award and call it 'The
Blue Flame' and give it to him for that one. :)
GRUNT |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 181 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Emeric SH on 22-Dec-2002 19:36 GMT | "You want them to freeze it.. which means stop what they are doing .... and then test it? Did I see that right? Test it?? Why even test it if your next command for them is to release it? I mean testing won't do no good at all.. so that step won't make sense.. "
It's absolutely clear you don't even have a clue about the steps of OS development. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 182 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Dec-2002 19:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 164 (LART):
> The current Articia S revision will be replaced by a new revision, while the VIA
> southbridge containing the only bugs acknowledged by Eyetech will *not* be
> replaced.
> [...]
Ok, it seems to me that all this needs a news post of its own, because, I believe, this is the REAL issue now. If what you say is true - and looking at the reasoning you made it seems like to be so - then things are even WORSE than they looked. It would mean that there's a company which deliberately lied to its customers.
Now, I publically ask to Eyetech/Hyperion to clarify all this, because it NEEDS to be clarified. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 183 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkemyst on 22-Dec-2002 20:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 182 (Fabio Alemagna):
And this is not the place to ask.
You know the best place to ask is on the AmigaOne ML.
You will not get a reply from eyetech here. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 184 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Dec-2002 20:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 183 (Alkemyst):
> And this is not the place to ask.
Any place is the right one to ask, but specially the one that is used to do advertising and flaming by the questioned companies.
> You know the best place to ask is on the AmigaOne ML.
The best place is the most public one... feel free to forward my message and the Lart's one to that list.
> You will not get a reply from eyetech here.
But Hyperion likes to spend a lot of time here, so they might as well bother to answer.
However, as said, feel free to spread my message around. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 185 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkemyst on 22-Dec-2002 20:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 184 (Fabio Alemagna):
Eyetech did not post it here nore did Hyperion.
Eyetech are the ones to ask about the Aone, not Hyperion.
If you think what your saying is worth a reply then either Email or post on the AmigaOne list where your
post will be read by the ppl intended.
Instead of just hoping that eyetch will post on Ann wich i have not seen them do for a long time.
Say that its ok to ask here cos Hyperion sometimes makes comments here makes no sence as this thread is not about Aos4. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 186 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Dec-2002 20:36 GMT | In reply to Comment 157 (Darrin):
Wrong.
AmigaONE SE = Teron CX + PPCBoot + dongle
AmigaONE XE = Teron PX + PPCBoot + dongle
It's the same hardware. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 187 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Christophe Decanini on 22-Dec-2002 20:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 127 (Christian Kemp):
"I've been away from the computer for a few days, wanting to get some distance from all the flamewars that are going on here and elsewhere. During this time, I didn't do any moderation and things have gone (and are still going) from bad to worse. "
Same for me. I don't want to ruin my Christmas vacations with such bullshit flamewars.
It is nice that Teemu could still keep up with all this crap.
I think Amigans have been frustrated to much for too long ... |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 188 of 312 | ANN.lu |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 189 of 312 | ANN.lu |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 190 of 312 | ANN.lu |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 191 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkemyst on 22-Dec-2002 21:05 GMT | In reply to Comment 188 (Fabio Alemagna):
The point is that just cos someone has read & have made posts here is the past does not mean they will
continue to do so.
For All you know Eyetech or Hyperion may of desided not to read or comment here no more
Like many amiga ppl i know.
I for one have not got time to visit every forum that i have ever posted on just incase some one had asked me a question there purely cos i had posted there is the past &
cos some one had linked or quoted me from the main forum i go to.
And with Many Flame fest threads you cant be sure if the person is question can be bothered to read every single post just in the chance one mite be for them.
i dont read every thread or post.
As soon as i see some nicks that i think are just trollers i skip it.
Its ever less likely to get noticed in a thread that is not directly related to what the person in question is doing.
If the was an Aos4 thread then you may get lucky with hyperion reading it & commenting.
but it is not. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 192 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by MIKE on 22-Dec-2002 21:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 191 (Alkemyst):
One of the Friedens posted in this thread. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 193 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 22-Dec-2002 21:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 174 (Anonymous):
Then you ar obviously dealing with crap companies who do not have a clue about running a computer system. Period.
It is perfectly possible to ensure that ALL users' PCs are running the uptodate release of the virus checker of choice, and to ensure it is never turned off.
I know it is possible, because that is what we DO at the company where I work (being in the IT department, I know we do this, I know how we do this, and I KNOW it works. I also know how we deal with any system which DOES manage to contract a virus, and how we stop it from affecting any other systems. and you know what? That works too.).
So, once again, I repeat that there is NO reason why Eyetech should be "down for 10 days becaue of a virus attack" if they Had A Clue. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 194 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by JoannaK on 22-Dec-2002 22:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 193 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
"if they Had A Clue."
Why that reminds me of that story Alice in Wonderland?
Ah well, unfortunately it's quite obvious they don't. And using that kind of stuff to excuse of bad project management and overoptimistic schedules is so lame. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 195 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Troels E on 22-Dec-2002 22:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 150 (Anonymous):
Hi anonymos!
To begin with Lart didn't answer about Multi processesor in OS4.0 (point zero)but in OS4.
"Is a dual-CPU-board useful in an AmigaOneXE for AmigaOS4-Users"
Answer from Lart: "NO"
BEEEP wrong answer (or simply trolling)! |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 196 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 22-Dec-2002 22:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 195 (Troels E):
> BEEEP wrong answer (or simply trolling)!
Wrong answer? And how is one supposed to know it's wrong when no SMP support has been annouced? I guess that when you publish a feature list you include all of the features, and if you don't then don't blame anyone for makin assumptions based on that list, because it's not their fault. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 197 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Troels E on 22-Dec-2002 23:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 196 (Fabio Alemagna):
He shouldn't have stated for a fact that OS4 wouldn't support MP. It has been brought up before and the answer has always been that Hyperion would look into it, but probably not in the initial version (OS4.0). Lart started this thread by his trolling news item and continued it by a little lies and/or false assumptions.
Why answer, when you have no way of knowing the answer? |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 198 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 23-Dec-2002 00:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 197 (Troels E):
> It has been brought up before and the answer has always been that Hyperion
> would look into it, but probably not in the initial version (OS4.0).
No, not "*probably* not" in 4.0.
Just NOT in 4.0.
Not. Period.
If that has changed, it must have been recently. It has never been stated by anyone from the dev team AFAI have seen (it would be pretty damn BIG news after all) and it would be a MAJOR and FUNDAMENTAL structural OS feature that's been omitted from the feature list (last updated as late as September), even though that list contains things like "APDF will be bundled".
> Why answer, when you have no way of knowing the answer?
The answer is "no", according to any information that's publicly available. You have no better information, and I suggest you stop accusing people of "lying" until you can show information that says otherwise. "Lying" is intentionally spreading information that's known to be untrue. When you have grasped the concepts of "lying" versus "saying what is known" I expect an apology. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 199 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by LART on 23-Dec-2002 00:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 173 (squashgut):
You really have no idea whatsoever about development cycles, terms like "beta", "feature freeze" and so on, do you?
Oh, about your coprolalia, you have my sympathies. It's rare to see a speech impediment compelling someone to use the potty vocabulary and faeces fixation in WRITING though... |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 200 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rob on 23-Dec-2002 00:31 GMT | In reply to Comment 173 (squashgut):
You can't be that dumb. What he means is you have to at some point quit adding features (freeze it) and start getting it ready for prime time, which means finishing what you already have and testing it to make sure it works right and then releasing it.
IF they continue to add features until they have everything the want they will never release a version.
I don't expect OS 4.0 to have all the features that 5.0 will have. I do expect that what they release will be fairly bug free. They can add feature for 4.1 and 4.2, etc. |
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