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| Posted on 21-Dec-2002 13:04 GMT by LART | 312 comments
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Alan Redhouse has posted message in the "AmigaOne" Yahoo group.
It's mainly a list of excuses for the delayed shipment of Teron boards.
* E-mail has been left unanswered allegedly due to Eyetech being "mailbombed by viruses" and a DoS script run against their web server.
* For some strange reason Motorola was to deliver CPUs to Eyetech, but they haven't done so.
* Eyetech will, like any other distributor, have to wait for the Teron PX to be finished, including the bugfixed Articia (which still has no bugs, there's only the old VIA DMA bugs according to Eyetech's message).
* The previously announced shipping date for the Teron PX came from an employee who hadn't been brought up to date.
* "All but a few" Teron CX boards and systems have been shipped now.
* Those who won't get their Teron CXes will get a special offer for Teron PXes with PPC750FX (G3) CPUs.
* The "Earlybird" preordering offer for the Teron PX with a "free" copy of AmigaOS will be extended to the end of January.
* Teron CXes with the (non-existing...) Articia bugs can be exchanged for Teron PXes "at current list price less the original A1G3-SE
percentage discount with full credit being given for the original amount
paid", whatever that could be, plus shipping.
* The web site will be updated with shipping status information on Monday.
* In order to not miss Christmas sales, Eyetech shipped the Teron CX boards without any OS. CDs with SuSE GNU/Linux will be shipped on Monday (not the full retail version). It's the vanilla SuSE 7.3 PPC, without specific Teron support.
* It is "proven by MAI [sic] after extensive testing" that the VIA DMA bugs are unrelated to the Articia northbridge. Well, duh. :-D Eyetech still believes that the bugfixes for the Articia has something to do with previously known issues with the VIA southbridge. Alan also lets us know that the different southbridge of e.g. the Pegasos is "of that family"...
* For Eyetech's own sales, a specific Kingston SDRAM DIMM will be "standardised on".
* To provide the legally regulated minimum warranty period of the EU (24 months), the price of the Terons will be "adjusted to reflect the higher cost" of that for EU customers. It is not mentioned if non-Kingston-sold-by-Eyetech SDRAM will be among the "non-recommended" hardware that will invalidate this warranty.
It is asked that further comments/questions about Alan's message should be sent to info@eyetech.co.uk for inclusion in the web site update on Monday.
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| Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 23-Dec-2002 19:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 204 (Anonymous):
Now, you see, you are just making a complete fool of yourself to anyone with even a faint clue about administering systems.
you might want to quit while you are behind.
Fact of the matter is, it is trivially easy to secure one's worldwide system against such virus attacks (I know, we have done it and been virus-free for a couple of years now despite loads of "attacks").
Trivially easy.
and no, you don;t have to "stand over every user watching" to ensure it works.
But then, I suspect you already know that but somehow desperately want to argue for no apparant reason. What else is to be expected from an anonymous coward, eh?
Bye bye, anonymous trolling one. Get a Clue and then you might be able to understand what you are talking about. Until then, just keep quiet so you don't make yourself out to be a bigger fool than you already have. |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 19:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 217 (Akaru):
I mean why is it every one[ morph OS supporters] of them are trolls, liars, rude, etc.
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Thank you...:
Troll: A little
Liars: Where did I lie exactly?
Rude: I've only been rude against rude people. |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 19:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 229 (Anonymous):
Basically, as publically announced, Gerald Carda spent 2 weeks in MAI's
headquarters... Guess why. |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 19:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 238 (Akaru):
FYI, MorphOS was started when Amiga Inc said that there would be NO AmigaOS4...
Now that it is in development, what should bplan do? Quit and throw away YEARS
of development time? |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Dec-2002 19:56 GMT | In reply to Comment 254 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>Gerald Carda spent 2 weeks in MAI's headquarters... Guess why.
He tried everything to make that bug appear and only after 2 weeks
under obscure circumstances he succeeded? :-) |
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| Posted by Akaru on 23-Dec-2002 19:59 GMT | In reply to Comment 242 (JoannaK):
No i've used all the above as well as some others, I like my Amiga still, Linux is nice and all but as soon as you add the functionality to it thats out there it really loses it as a desktop OS, servers fine anything else linux not my cup of tea, its getting better but I can't help feeling it'll always be a bodged desktop OS, which lets face it is only better than windows because its free, BeOS well thats sufficiently dead for now, OpenBeOS is interesting to watch, OS/2 IBM just killed that off a while ago officially and are going all out for linux, various BSD's well not much different than linux except linux is all the fashion these days , microsoft OS's meh, I don't know what the hell they are trying to do but I don't think they're managing it, MacOSX is nice, probably the best desktop OS out there atm but i'm too cheap to buy a new mac and too lazy to get a decent priced second hand one. Symbian/palmOS, QNX, Intent, AROS, oh man not to mention other tiny project OS's. Its my job to do things like that. Call me a romantic call me what you will. I don't see the point in MorphOS if I want to be able to run legacy Amiga programs I can use uae or amiga forever, if I want a server I run linux, if I want a toy to play around with and waste money on I'd rather have an Amiga.
I think somehow a lot of people have been expecting Amiga and co to pull a rabbit out of their hat, I guess thats what happens when you have a PR guy run a company, anyone with any knowledge in the computer industry would know they were clearly talking out of their hats. you have unrealistic expectations you'll always be disapointed. Maybe I was blesssed because I was taught not to believe everythign people say. I think saying morphOS is better because they have given you no updates or promises and so have broken none isn't a very good reason.
As for Amiga having no talent in house, well that may be true, but your wrong about hyperion, the frieden brothers are very clever.
yes I said they are amateurs too, so was bill gates when he started microsoft, and so frankly is genesi, Genesi just seem to take the more flashy approach to marketing, sure they haven't broken any promises to Amigans yet but then how many products have they released yet? Maybe they'll do well, I offer them the best in their endeavours, even if I can't see where they are going. I just won't be giving them my money.
Who said I'm supporting Amiga? what have they done to make Amiga OS a reality? not much, Hyperion and Eyetech on the other hand have done a lot, they are the ones I will be supporting when I buy OS4 and the amiga one. If Amiga want to make a contributionthey would have to release the amiga OS to the community open source, but as they only licensed the tech from Gateway that won't be happening.
Libel court battles aren't about the prosecution its about the defendant so any record of eyetech or hyperion's past problems wouldn't be an issue.
Why exactly have you problems with those companys what have they done wrong? What bogus announcements? The only times they've come unstuck is by following Amiga Inc and I don't think thats a crime, hyperion have done a lot for the Amiga market today with their software development and are still working on it, both eyetech and Hyperion have been very open with the community.
I would probably agree eyetech aren't the greatest company in the world, but they have been around supporting the amiga for a long time doing their best with what they got, I think your just saying nasty things about hyperion because they are doing Amiga OS4. To be honest both companys were made to make a fool out of themselves by Amiga, its only been recently that they've actually started telling it the way it is.
Why exactly are those companys hot air? Do you know how companys work? I have no idea how the hell genesi works, they must have some secret gold hidden away or a fourtune, Hyperion and Eyetech have to work on the fund they got, which means prioritising what they do. Which si why they ahve to make decision on halting development or such things. its not like anyone throwing money at them.
I wonder how you will use morphos if your unwilling to have anything to do with hyperion and eyetech with the knowledge that theres part of their work in the pegasos board.
I don't think your a morphOS fanatic but its clearly your not an Amiga / hyperion / eyetech fan. I just feel somehow you aren't really giving them the respect you should. When I don't like a company or its practices I don't go slagging them off at all oportunitys whether its meritted or not. But its second nature to do so in the Amiga Community even if it is true or not even if its libel or not even if it damages the companys or not.
Still I don't think you should accept MorphOS so quickly because they appear to be in competition with Amiga. Sounds too much like your on the rebound and are just trying to hurt them and you just end up hurting yourself. Maybe neither MorphOS or AmigaOS are the os's to go for.
Ugh ok well forget half of what I wrote seeing as you changed your mind about hyperion. Too lazy to go back and edit which pretty much shows how much i really care, Sorry :(
I am and always will be your troll. |
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| Posted by Akaru on 23-Dec-2002 20:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 251 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
Trivally easy to you, in the same way its trivally easy for your average windows user to use the right mouse button.
Unless you've found otherwise you introduce the right mouse button to most people and they completely lose their ability to control a mouse.
If your a system admin or a IT tech perhaps such thigns are easy if you don't have such expertise, and don't have such money then its not as easy as pie. |
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| Posted by Akaru on 23-Dec-2002 20:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 253 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Ok everyone but Alkis Tsapanidis [ morph OS supporters] of them are trolls, liars, rude, etc, Alkis Tsapanidis is just a little bit of a troll and is only rude when people have been rude to him, but I can't be bothered to go through his posts to find if he has lied. The cynic in me says somewhere he lied, maybe about his age, or that time he kissed his best friend when he was drunk. |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 20:13 GMT | In reply to Comment 260 (Akaru):
Ok... Let me lie to you now... You're not an anonymous troll and you're not
an a*****e... |
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| Posted by Alkis Alexandros Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 20:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 261 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
At least I have the guts to use my name and the email address I've been using
for the last 4 years... |
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| Posted by Akaru on 23-Dec-2002 20:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 255 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Well they were given the chance to help Amiga make OS4 and they declined they made their bed and now they have to lie in it. they just might find that the bed they've made is also occupied by amiga and both of them are out of control flying into oblivion or something. Hows that for an analogy.
Years of development are frequently thrown away in the computer industry, infact its probably the sensible thing to do. Given a choice where to cut your loses or to bull headedly continue in a pointless and uneconmical task, cutting your loses is usually the smart choice. Of course I am assuming MorphOS is a pointless task, I may be wrong. |
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| Posted by Alkis Alexandros Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 20:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 263 (Akaru):
THEY declined? Ok... You are clueless... The whole story was FUCKED UP anyway...
Mainly by Amiga Inc, but bPlan answered the way Amiga Inc wanted... No. |
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| Posted by Akaru on 23-Dec-2002 20:23 GMT | In reply to Comment 262 (Alkis Alexandros Tsapanidis):
I applaud your guts. And humbly apologuise for any offence I have caused by having my own opinion and being rude. |
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| Posted by Akaru on 23-Dec-2002 20:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 264 (Alkis Alexandros Tsapanidis):
The way I hear it was that Amiga wanted it one way and the MorphOS guys wanted it done a different way. MorphOS weren't willing to accept Amiga INC.'s contract so they turned it down, I think thats a fair summary of what happened.
As I know nothing of what the in's and out's of the contracts were about I couldn't comment on what the issues were, most probably about ownership of code/IP I would imagine. |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 20:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 266 (Akaru):
Accepted.
My opinion is that I (and MANY others) have spent WAY to much money in this
"market" to be mistreated by these CLOWNS (Amiga Inc). I bought that Party
Pack and sold it immediately... It was something less that crap... They didn't
accept my NDA when I was an Inc supported and wanted to betatest (their not
existant) AmigaOS4 "they were developing themselves". I would accept them saying
that they do not want me... Instead they said NOTHING.
They CONSTANTLY lied about the progress of the OS... They broke ALL their
promised and ALMOST all their business plans. Would you expect me to WAIT
for them after all they did? THEY ARE DEAD for me... |
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| Posted by squashgut on 23-Dec-2002 20:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 217 (Akaru):
Akaru:
> One of the reasons I won't be buying morph OS is that I wouldn't want to be
> associated with such a nasty bunch of idiots. I mean why is it every one[
> morph OS supporters] of them are trolls, liars, rude, etc.
That's because some of them are former disgruntled Amiga users who were disgusted, disgruntled, unpleasant people to hang around because of their many years of being irritated. Compound this with the fact that they were stupid enough to switch to an unpopular, limited, and often maligned OS.
In their subconsiousness, they realize what a monumental screw up this is and thus become even more irritated, further disgruntled, disgusted, and even more unpleasant to be around.
Since they moved to MorphOS, they don't want the shame of having to turn away from it again and go back supporting AmigaOS, so instead they build themselves up high and laugh and throw their garbage down on us AmigaOS supporters because they don't want us knowing they really got it bad.
:)
That's it in a nutshell.
:D |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 20:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 270 (squashgut):
Read #168...
And you won't find me saying anything bad about OS4... |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Dec-2002 20:37 GMT | In reply to Comment 267 (Akaru):
>MorphOS weren't willing to accept Amiga INC.'s contract so they turned it down
After they reduced the sum they had agreed upon earlier to 1/5 and their business
talks were rediculed by a certain "MOS is a hobby OS" lawyer that by chance came
to review AInc.'s contract "proposals"... :-p |
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| Posted by Akaru on 23-Dec-2002 20:42 GMT | In reply to Comment 269 (Alkis Alexandros Tsapanidis):
Yeah MorphOS team declined Amigas contract and Amiga wouldn't accept their terms. I'll let you have that then. All sorts of conspiracy theorys could fit in i have wonderful ones but its best to just accept they had/have different ideas, to be honest i think closed source OS's aren't really a good idea, but I never take my own advice.
I agree about the party pack it was like $100 for less than an amiga DE sdk, really absolutely nothing. I know when I heard about it I thought it was a bad idea and felt sorry for the people who bought it, not like you could use it for anything or anything. Your looking at a desparate move to get money to stop the Amiga startup folding inbetween getting the second round of funding. A dirty trick no doubts about it. Mr McEwan was after all a PR man and we all know what kind of people they are. |
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| Posted by Akaru on 23-Dec-2002 20:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 272 (Anonymous):
Well in the computer world the most important thing is contract negotiation, so many companys have been screwed by signing lousy contract's its probably the best for MorphOS they turned it down. |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 20:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 273 (Akaru):
I've heard both sides, so I believe that I know what happened... |
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| Posted by squashgut on 23-Dec-2002 20:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 223 (JoannaK):
JoannaK spouted...
> Personally I don't like way people write. It does not start from one group
> or end there. People are having different views and different belifs. Most
> people are not capable (or educated enough) to make their decisions on
> technical details, so they have to go by instinct. And some of those people
> have too much blind Faith in it. (Hey.. it's computer, not Second coming of
> yout favorite deity or good)
Heh... actually that's hitting it right on the head. It really seems there's a huge pissing contest on this forum. "MY OS is better than your OS" blah blah.
Amiga users have had it rough tho... not only do they have to put up with their own self doubt about the future of a computer/OS they love (over the last several years I mean...)
They furthermore have to deal with a jealous, cruel, lying, and often unpleasant group of MOS users who have nothing else to do on their 'puters than to come on and trash the remaining AmigsOS users or hopefuls.
....
> Some people have branded me as MOS-Zealot ... hey if I were one I surely had
> ordered one by now. But I have not that kind of trust. So far ONLY money I
> have spend to these NEW systems was that stupid Amigainc's PartyPack allmost
> 2 years ago, and It definitely was educating and eye-opening experience.
> Never before/since have I been hoaxed as badly on goodies I have bought.
Heh... Yeah I've heard some awful things about you before I even read a single post you wrote. As for the money you've spent on Amiga products that were apparently lacking... you can blame people like LART who surely e-mailed the company every waking moment trying to rush them to produce something.. anything.. just to satisfy them.
I mean hell.. lets get real. With so many people wandering around wanting it now.. Now.. NOW.. it's bound to be felt at Amiga headquarters right? We don't hear anything about it at all. In fact the only time I think Amiga Inc complained about a person bugging them to release something was a man named C0cKsee.. or something ;)
I believe restraining orders might have been filed in that case... either way there are people out there who think they got the God-given right to bug the hell out of developers just because they were a bit inconvienced.
Granted, I am sick of not having a better machine myself... and I've seen the delays and the "oh we'll have it ready by next fall... " (it's always next fall) so many times I've started to use that delay tactic myself..
example...
"Mr Squashgut, .. you owe us $1,200 in medical bills... "
"Oh? erm... I'll have the payment ready next fall!" (Hey thanks Amiga!)
Heh
So naturally you will end up with crap if the company making it is forced to "crap" it out for us. I wonder how many LART's we have out there? How many c0cksee's are stalking them with ... "hurry up and release it! no need for extras no need for tweaking... get it out!"
Really burns me up to think we could have something better, yet because of a few "know it alls" and people who think they are OS developers themselves just because they speak the lingo... we have to suffer with bogus party packs.. OS packages that were severely lacking.
To be perfectly honest... I'm still sorely angry about how "THIN" the damn OS 3.5 CD was...
I spent nearly $50 for that CD.. which was 30% full if even that... and most of the data was the friggin ICONS!
I'm none to happy about that fact... and am quick to jump all over people like LART for even suggesting a company speed things up.
As for MOS people... hell. I couldn't care less about MOS lusers... I kind of wish NeRP would ignore them and allow them to be the complete jerks they made themselves out to be... but I think NeRP wants to punch a few of them in the nose.
After reading some of the lowblow slams on here... I can hardly blame him.
Seems a lot of venting still has yet to be let off, yet maybe if we all blow our smoke for a few weeks things would calm down. Then again I doubt it... as long as there exists a "walk on forum posting" policy.. you'll keep seeing flame wars so bad they will set your modem on fire.
Before it's over, someone will have to call for the Elves, as there will be so many trolls thundering around you'll need an army of moderators to wipe them out. ;) |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 20:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 276 (squashgut):
If samface and some other people didn't exist, I wouldn't be a troll AT ALL...
And YES, they ARE IN YOUR SIDE!... |
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| Posted by Anonymous on 23-Dec-2002 21:17 GMT | In reply to Comment 251 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
"Now, you see, you are just making a complete fool of yourself to anyone with even a faint clue about administering systems.
you might want to quit while you are behind."
I have more than a clue about system admin. But you obviously have the idea that everyone runs their company the way you do. They don't. I never said it's impossible to have a secure system, just that everyone doesn't. Once again, you claimed that it is _rare_ for a company to ever get a virus, and I said you don't know what you are talking about. I stand by that. YOU DON'T. You may know about your company, but that's it. I'm telling you that there are plenty of companies out there that don't go by the safe pactice. PERIOD!
"But then, I suspect you already know that but somehow desperately want to argue for no apparant reason. What else is to be expected from an anonymous coward, eh?"
You know, I've wasted too much time discussing this point with you... I know your views, I agree to some points with what you are saying, just that it is not that black and white in the real world.
"Bye bye, anonymous trolling one. Get a Clue and then you might be able to understand what you are talking about. Until then, just keep quiet so you don't make yourself out to be a bigger fool than you already have."
Once again, I think anyone with a clue can look at your posts and see who is outta touch with reality. And if you really want to see a fool, look in the mirror. Don't bother to reply until you have gone out into the world and learned abit more, cause I'm not taking this any farther. |
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| Posted by squashgut on 23-Dec-2002 21:18 GMT | In reply to Comment 277 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
In post 277, Alkis crapped out:
> If samface and some other people didn't exist, I wouldn't be a troll AT
> ALL... And YES, they ARE IN YOUR SIDE!...
Huh? Hey, Is your caps key constipated by any chance? Or do you just sit there steaming so bad with anger you set off the fire alarms with smoke?
I imagine you sitting there hitting the refresh button all the while steam flying off your head, and drool pouring down your chin waiting to jump at the first opportunity to get bent out of shape over a post.
Of course I can understand your blazing anger. I mean.. I did suggest the forum require nickname registration. Of course this would put an end to your days as a happy troll..er.. I mean.. unhappy troll. As you do seem a bit down lately.
I am going to start my stopwatch as soon as I hit submit just to see how long it takes Alkis to burns out another comeback. I'll report his time a bit later on for all those who want proof that he indeed rides the refresh pedal. ;)
btw: excessive use of caps shows anger. which means you werent trolling.. or flaming.. but trolled .. heh.. and flamed. ;)
Ok.. ready? set... go! |
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| Posted by Alan (no not from Eyetech) on 23-Dec-2002 21:28 GMT | | Samface calls anyone a troll who says anything negative about anything to do with amiga, stop brown nosing Eyetech and learn the facts that Eyetech are bullshitters. |
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| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 21:33 GMT | In reply to Comment 279 (squashgut):
I wonder wether it really does worth it to reply to you... You're here for a
single reason... To start a flamewar:) |
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| Posted by squashgut on 23-Dec-2002 22:28 GMT | In reply to Comment 281 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Alkis took 15 minutes and 6 seconds to spew out:
> I wonder wether it really does worth it to reply to you... You're here for a
> single reason... To start a flamewar:)
It took you 15 minutes to pump out that? Hell.. you wrote faster responses to posts I made that weren't even addressed to you.
I've very disappointed in you young person! Heheheh.
No actually, I'm not here to start a flame war and it would be wrong to suggest that because flame war, so to speak, has already been going on in full force.
But since you suggest it... actually, NeRP pays me $5.00 to come on here and give you a hard time. And you should be proud of that amount because he only offered a lowly $3.20 for JoannaK's griping. ;)
Of course, LART I do for free because I truly take a disliking to people like him who try and rush Amiga into doing something stupid. Like uh... come out with AmigaOS before it's ready.
OK.. all kidding aside. I just want to keep this crap on an even playing field... it's getting old watching people whip out their little peters (heh.. little Peter...) and take a whizz on AmigaOS users.
They seem to always trash any Amiga NEWS item and try and make their own news seem more important. And it never fails, no matter what is mentioned officially, there is always some pepperoni-weed who has to pull down his pants and dump a previous night's dinner on it.
As for SamFace. Who's he? Hell.. I don't know him. Do I want to? He might call me a troll too and I might throw a temper tantrum and break all of Alkis' toys and stuff.... No actually, SamFace couldn't make me mad even if his next post was to call me a troll 184 times in a row. Well ok, now if he calls me a troll 185 times then I'll get all mad....
THEN I'll go over and rip Alkis' favorite comic books up or something.... So you better hope SamFace doesn't mess with me, or your comic books will suffer buddy row! :P
Actually with all the soap opera crap going on here on ANN... me and NeRP are thinking about coming out with a line of ANN LU action figures....
We plan on making a JoannaK doll... complete with smirky grin... an Alkis action figure, complete with a steaming head. And a LART figure that might feature a buttplug which would allow one to release the constipation that builds up in his sytem from time to time.
And of course the NeRP action figure will employ the ever popular "Kung-fu grip"
Heh.
The point of all this nonsense?
Everything I've said in this post is no way near as silly as all the fighting going on between MOS users and AmigaOS users on the entire forum...
...and that's the bottom line.
If everyone on this forum wants seriousness... then you all need to sit down and try to be serious. Otherwise unzip your pants and let it all hang out. (excluding JoannaK of course because she doesn't have a peepee)
STILL... (to not get away from the point)
Earlier I saw where someone mentioned on another thread ... some accusation about someone being Bill Gates or something. The moral being that the person being accused must be Bill Gates because of his current Anti-Amiga attitude.
Not only would the real Bill Gates not come here, but he wouldn't have to post a flame or do anything at all. Bill Gates would only sit back and enjoy the nice big fights that start up all on their own between MOS users and AmigaOS users.
Another words... the only enemies we have who give a shit about being enemies... is ourselves. The very people who frequent this place the most.
This particular 270+ thread isn't about a news item or two... it isn't about some hardware... or software... it isn't about some virus crap or excuses.. or Eyetech... or what the hell ever.
It's about AmigaOS vs MorphOS users! Simple as dirt.
In reality it's probably "AmigaOS vs MorphOS users: part 255"
With part 256 coming soon to another thread later on....
and of course followed by parts 257 the day after that... 258... 259... on and on and on.
Why not just hack a copy of Clickboom's game Napalm Inferno and rename the humans to AmigaOS and the cyborgs to MorphOS? That way you could shoot each other with little icons that look like tanks and helicopters and gain just about as much satisfaction.
What's the difference? Oh sure the levels come to end... but it can just start up again when you reset the game... Which would be the equivalent to coming here on this site and starting up a new thread. See.. no difference at all.
It's gonna take a concentrated effort by everyone on this damn forum for the fighting to cease and crap, but for some reason I don't see it happening. In fact.. I think it's encouraged by some people.
So what the hell anways? I got plenty of napalm for my flame thrower if anyone's ready to do the nasty.
Now what do you all want? War? or Peace?
BTW: Just a rumour I heard... but does anyone know if it's true that the developers of MorphOS actually pay people to come here to cause dissention amoungst AmigaOS supporters?
If that's true that would explain a lot of B.S. coming from some people. But I could be wrong and this is just a rant... ;) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 285 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by squashgut on 23-Dec-2002 22:43 GMT | In reply to Comment 284 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Huh?
I saw that thread... but I'm not sure what you meant by it other than the few nasty grams you wrote to people on there too ;) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 286 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alan (no not from Eyetech) on 23-Dec-2002 22:55 GMT | Simple truth is most amiga users (the totally ignorant one sided ones) do not like anything negative to be said about any aspects of the amiga as a platform despite lies and pure bullshitting being spread around by amiga dealers themselfs,
Elbox used nasty code in their mediator drivers,
Eyetech lies all the time and runs the company like total amateurs,
Amiga inc are just a amateurish company
but no one can say any of that because it would be the act of a troll,
People speak your mind and ignore people like Samface,Nerp and the rest of the people who clearly have got their heads so far up amiga incs ass they can not come back in to reality. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 287 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by KiloTwo on 23-Dec-2002 23:12 GMT | The spelling and grammar in here is really bad. Except for NeRP and Squashgut!
p.s. I love my Amiga........and my motorbike, and my dog, and my comics, and my PS2 and my Hellboy bust!!! |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 288 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Dec-2002 23:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 287 (KiloTwo):
Well, if you're in a hurry you can't avoid grammatical mistakes...
I usually see them just after I post my comment... An edit function
would be ok... I usually recheck what I write but I tend to forget that
sometimes... |
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| Posted by squashgut on 23-Dec-2002 23:29 GMT | In reply to Comment 286 (Alan (no not from Eyetech)):
Alan (no not from Eyetech) shat the following:
> Simple truth is most amiga users (the totally ignorant one sided ones) do
> not like anything negative to be said about any aspects of the amiga as a
> platform despite lies and pure bullshitting being spread around by amiga
> dealers themselfs,
Hey I can understand that... but I've been hearing some awful things that morefuss users do as well. Two wrongs don't make a right either... One gang does a troll (which is an attempt to get people arguing).. and another gang responds with a flame (a genuine personal attack on someone or their idea)
One thing rampant I've seen on here is that people don't know what the hell the difference between a troll and a flamer is. Heh.
As for bullshitting... yeah Amiga INC ain't saints. But I do have a very positive frame of mind about the AmigaOne... and not just because I want to think good and cheery thoughts. I think there's a real chance this might be a decent machine. They followed all my advice.. (actually all my wishful thinking because I never advised them in reality on anything).. they came out with a motherboard and didn't worry about the case.
Made the board useful for ATX, which is something I wished for my A3000. So I wouldn't have to pump out $80 for a new PSU everytime mine died.
However, the only things I worry about is the fact that there doesnt seem to be enough propritary parts. Another words... cutting to the chase... originality.
I liked the A3000 CPU expansion slot.. I liked the zorro 3 bus because it was different and better than stupid ole ISA. I don't feel so bad that they used PCI slots.. but at the same time I'm wondering if there is anything other than just the OS that will truly set it apart hardware wise.
Anyways.. I'd like to comment on other stuff you said.. so I'll shelve the rest of that for now..
> Elbox used nasty code in their mediator drivers,
> Eyetech lies all the time and runs the company like total amateurs,
> Amiga inc are just a amateurish company
Yeah.. yeah... and hmmmm,
-Yes I believe Elbox was bad. But so do a lot of other Amiga users... I for one thought it was an underhanded and devious thing. What's scary is... who has done this and gotten away with it? Who hasn't been caught yet?
(insert scary Halloween Movie music here)
-I've heard crappy things about Eyetech. So... you'll get no arguements there. They've not benefited me as an Amiga user to this day.
-I wanted to agree with you on this last point.. but at the same time I want to have a "wait and see" attitude.
Think about this. Here is a company that finnaly is calling it's own shots. Boy are they young! This is a company that bought themselves... so they are or were at a huge financial disadvantage going into the computer industry. Not many people realize how serious it is.. or how much of a thread they hang by.
Now.. as a young company.. they will make mistakes. But I think they've made an honest attempt and try to improve. Hell.. they've made a motherboard man! Granted the OS isn't finsihed yet... but they took their time.. tried not to overspend (like Commordore) and actually came up with some hardware.
Giant steps.. not amateur steps. They may act a ittle immature for a company.. but it's only because they are taking their own footsteps without the help of a parent this time. (Previous Amiga parents: Atari (briefly), Commodore, ESCOM, and eventually Gateway)
Naturally, a baby doesn't walk on it's own perfectly. It stumbles from time to time. Something you and others here should keep in mind when even thinking about Amiga Inc.
What I've said the past 10 years was Amiga has been missing those "baby steps" They never were allowed to walk around on their own and make decisions.
Now they get some shots at it. Be patient. There might be a race horse here yet.
> People speak your mind and ignore people like Samface,Nerp and the rest of
> the people who clearly have got their heads so far up amiga incs ass they
> can not come back in to reality.
This is the only part of your post I disagree with entirely. Well sorta... Speaking your mind is ok... but you don't know NeRP very well. I've known him for quite a long time and I've always considered him an "Amiga Patriot". He's always stuck by it through the worst of times. (wipes tear from eyes)
Heh. Seriously.. even NeRP was pissed off at Elbox for their bullshit. I think his ranting and storming about Elbox went on for days. I don't know Samface ... not sure I've encountered him. I heard he was a tough hombre.....
Heh... but really.. NeRP is a realist. He's trying to keep his attitude for Amiga as a supportive one rather than fall into the trap of joining with the other crowd.... which I think would lead to the demise of the machine entirely.
Lot's of people I know have moved off Amiga and onto PC. I myself have a stupid PC. (I've no ethernet card for the 25mhz A3000) and really wish I was back on miggy.
Hell.. if I could find a decent 040 card and an ethernet board.. I'd be using Amiga for the net. It's not just to be loyal or anything... it's that I think it's better and I know my way around it more.
NeRP reminds me of Wallace in Braveheart. He's not going to stop fighting until all of Longshank's MOS soldiers give him what he wants... "Freedom ... from the abuse"
Heheh.
Hey.. I'm die hard Amiga too though... Although to be honest.. I prefer Flea-cy Moss get tossed and Dave Haynie come out of retirement.
And I don't care what nice little flames that nets me... hey I'll slag on Flea-cy any day of the week. But like I basically said two posts ago... what does the victor of a slag-war net?
only more slags. ;) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 290 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by KiloTwo on 23-Dec-2002 23:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 288 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
In a hurry? But this isn't in real time......it's like sending an email, you should check it over before you click on the Send button. We need some Swedes in here to demonstrate good English.
p.s. I also love milk chocolate. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 291 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by squashgut on 23-Dec-2002 23:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 288 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Hey Alkis.... don't make me bring back buttercorn to correct your mistakes young sonny ;) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 292 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Dec-2002 00:03 GMT | In reply to Comment 290 (KiloTwo):
Well, it should be like that... It's a little hard to do that with your eyes
half open at 3AM... Or when you're pissed:) Ok, I admit it, squashwhatever
did piss me off in the beginning, but after that I realized that he's nothing
more than a trouble stirrer, and a person he mentions all the time agreed with
me:)
To Squash: go back to the kindergarten. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 293 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by V on 24-Dec-2002 00:08 GMT | In reply to Comment 252 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
@ Alkis
> From http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/oct252002a.php :
>
> "[...] and identifying - and fixing a small problem with the Articia
> northbridge chip - [...]
>
> Who speak bullshit here?
> --
>
> As if you knew what you were talking about...
What do you want to say with it? (BTW, if you misunderstood, the "Who spek..." was a question to Lart, who said Alan H. never acknowledged any bug in the Articia, just 686B.) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 294 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Dec-2002 00:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 293 (V):
I just wanted to say that the Articia S bug they now attributed as a VIA
bugs exists...
You might not want bplan as an example but think about that: Find a reason for which they (Terrasoft/Eyetech) would "add" a HW fix to the Articia S
northbridge and wait for a new Articia S revision to get rid of that.
Only one answer exists if you keep in mind that the new Articia S revision will
have no other difference (except if they make the Sa instead). |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 295 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Dec-2002 00:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 294 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Forgot to add that Alan basically denied the existance of the bug after saying
that it exist and that they have a fix. They "unannounced" it. |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 296 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by V on 24-Dec-2002 00:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 294 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I don't think Alan H. said there is no any bug in the ArticiaS, too, but that the DMA problem is not related to it but VIA. (Though, I'm not sure.) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 297 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by squashwhatever on 24-Dec-2002 00:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 292 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Hey Alkis we all love you! Really! ;) |
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| Teron board delays : Comment 298 of 312 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Dec-2002 00:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 297 (squashwhatever):
Did you escape from the kindergarten again?... |
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| Posted by V on 24-Dec-2002 00:39 GMT | In reply to Comment 295 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I can imagine that there is some timing or other problem betwen VIA's SBs and MAI's NB, causing trouble in DMA, and that MAI claims it's VIA's fault, but sill implement a workaround on-chip, so that their NB can work together well with VIA's SB. (IIRC, there were a similar (perhaps exactly this) problem with some x86 motherboards with VIA's SB, coupled with a different maker's NB.) |
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