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Posted on 23-Dec-2002 22:16 GMT by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz59 comments
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Sendo today confirmed that it has filed a suit against Microsoft in a US federal suit, accusing the software giant of stealing its technology and customers. --The Register
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Dec-2002 21:42 GMT
Merry Christmas, Microsoft!
(Do they care about lawsuits anymore? It seems like they have some kind of a deal to US courts anyway ...)
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Dec-2002 21:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
(Or is that just a result of the US "Most Money Wins" Justice?)
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Posted by Darrin on 23-Dec-2002 21:54 GMT
Tomorrow's News: "Microsoft buys Sendo"
Day After News: "Sendo drops lawsuit against Microsoft"
Day After That News: "Microsoft sells Sendo"
;-)
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Posted by 3seas on 23-Dec-2002 23:27 GMT
Interesting story.... does this make "Amiga" a type of fishing worm?
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 23-Dec-2002 23:36 GMT
Out of curiosity: apart from the (supposedly) immoral Microsoft's behaviour (how much immoral is left to the reader to decide... remember that this is a business), is there anything _illegal_ that MS has done and for which Sendo is sueing it?
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Dec-2002 23:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Fabio Alemagna):
It's business as usual ...
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Posted by Some Farker on 23-Dec-2002 23:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Fabio Alemagna):
Who cares? The "Victim society" has permeated business so now incompetent companies that are incapable of positioning their products well simply aim at the top of the heap and whomever is up there, no matter what the field, is labelled as some sort of heartless THING and therefore a worthy target for a lawsuit.
It's gotten SO ridiculous...
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-Dec-2002 00:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Some Farker):
> It's gotten SO ridiculous...
Exactly my point: everyone whines 'cause MS is at the top of the chart, and instead of making themselves more competitive they try to put MS down... Not that MS hasn't done anything bad in the past, however I fail to see what's wrong with what it has done with Sendo, apart, as said, from the "Immoral" behaviour: to my knowledge business' laws don't contemplate morality.
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Posted by Gingerbread Man on 24-Dec-2002 02:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Exactly my point: everyone whines 'cause MS is at the top of the chart, and >instead of making themselves more competitive they try to put MS down... Not >that MS hasn't done anything bad in the past, however I fail to see what's >wrong with what it has done with Sendo, apart, as said, from the "Immoral" >behaviour: to my knowledge business' laws don't contemplate morality.
You can't legislate morality. Law and justice, when in proper form, have nothing to do with morality. The proper role for the US Federal courts in this case is to make sure that protection of patent and property rights as chartered in the US Constitution are upheld. This article in the Register is missing every crucial fact needed in order to make this determination.
I find Sendo's decision to do business with Microsoft to be questionable in the first place.
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Posted by Ferry on 24-Dec-2002 07:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Gingerbread Man):
You said:
"The proper role for the US Federal courts in this case is to make sure that protection of patent and property rights as chartered in the US Constitution are upheld. This article in the Register is missing every crucial fact needed in order to make this determination."
Did you read the article in Reuters? The link to it was included in the Register's article... It says:
"The court filings allege that Microsoft, in search of new growth markets but lacking mobile phone expertise, extracted crucial information about the industry from Sendo and passed it on to friendly low-cost contract manufacturers in Asia."
This attitude is fully sueable, given you have signed a NDA agreement, as it seem to be the case.
Ferrán
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Posted by Elwood on 24-Dec-2002 09:16 GMT
And what about these ?
>after driving Sendo to the brink of bankruptcy
Bankruptcy, arggh, I don't like this word...
>Sendo will now develop a smartphone based on the Symbian OS
What about AmigaDE ???
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-Dec-2002 09:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Ferry):
> This attitude is fully sueable, given you have signed a NDA agreement, as it
> seem to be the case.
It would be quite stupid from the MS side to have done that. I mean, they should have known that by doing that they would settle themselves to be sued.
Time will tell...
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Dec-2002 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Elwood):
That was probably the "Fishing worm" as described above that attracted Sendo to M$ in the first place.
I was actually looking forward to buying that new Sendo phone.
For the very same reason that I Dont drive a Ford "Clitoris" (Mondeo)
Every Cunts got one !! (re ... Nokia)
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 24-Dec-2002 10:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Fabio Alemagna):
Before you make such claims Fabio, I would really suggest you read the "findings of fact" in the MS versus DoJ case.
You'll find that the antics that MS has been up to these past 15 years are simply beyond belief.
I know it's popular in some republican circles in the States to claim that government should not interfer and that other companies are just going after MS because they are successful.
Fact of the matter is that MS engaged in all kinds of illegal anti-competitive practises and that they were (despite their extremely deep pockets and the ridiculous American legal system which favors the guy with the deeper pcokets) repeatedly convincted for all kinds of breaches.
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Posted by André Siegel on 24-Dec-2002 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Fabio Alemagna):
>> This attitude is fully sueable, given you have signed a NDA agreement, as it
>> seem to be the case.
> It would be quite stupid from the MS side to have done that. I mean, they
> should have known that by doing that they would settle themselves to be sued.
Microsoft did the very same thing to GO Inc. who developed a predecessor to Microsoft's "new" tablet PC about ten years ago. Both parties had signed non-disclosure agreements, but Microsoft obviously didn't take this very serious. In fact, Microsoft send a couple of employees to GO Inc. for no other purpose but to fully analyze their technology. Once Microsoft had the information they wanted, all comunication with GO Inc. was stopped...
Just a few years later, GO Inc. was no more.
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 24-Dec-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Elwood):
Elwood asks,
>> Sendo will now develop a smartphone based on the Symbian OS
> What about AmigaDE ???
DE/AACE was going to run hosted on the previous WinCEy version, so it's not a big deal. IIRC, Elate's already available for Symbian/StrongARM, just not out in consumerland...
However, for whatever reasons, Sendo was looking at Insignia's solution as a replacement for the Elate/Amiga bag... http://industry.java.sun.com/javanews/stories/story2/0,1072,47755,00.html ...perhaps because it was feeling like the VM-of-choice among the MS camp, but then, Insignia has some connections to Symbian as well... (Anyone actually work with the stuff, and have any insight to share?)
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Posted by sutro on 24-Dec-2002 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Fabio Alemagna):
> It would be quite stupid from the MS side to have done that. I mean, they should have known that by doing that they would settle themselves to be sued.
They have done worse things in the past.
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Posted by Some Farker on 24-Dec-2002 13:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ah. Ben Hermans weighs in with more bashing of my country. It's no wonder OS4 is over a year late; why, with all the insulting of us stupid Americans and your deep critical analysis of our legal system you've barely got time to pay attention to the goddamn job you were given. Oh well. But that's OK. Y'all got a half-assed version of Linux running on overpriced and broken hardware, so that's something - right?
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Dec-2002 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Some Farker):
Ben bashing your country in comment 14? What are you on about?
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Posted by MIKE on 24-Dec-2002 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
It's an obvious bash against the US, an uninformed/emotional bash btw, since the lawsuit this topic was based on, is founded in the fact that the US justice system found Microsoft guilty of the illegal business practices, which is opening the door for all of these new lawsuits. Anyways good luck with your Amiga/Microsoft partners Mr. Hermans.
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Posted by MonkeyOS on 24-Dec-2002 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (MIKE):
LOL! Now Hyperion are close partners with Microsoft? Cut your penis off and shove it up your nose you moronic troll!
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Dec-2002 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (MIKE):
Which is exactly what Ben said.
MS has been found guilty of said practices, yet nothing happens, they still continue just the same way.
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Posted by dammy on 24-Dec-2002 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
I'd say "ridiculous American legal system" would count as USA bashing. Did the US government fail to protect consumers against M$ when M$ had OEMs barred from dual boots? Sure, they should have come down on M$ hard on that alone. Was this stupid browser reason any reason to smack M$? No. Should Sendo go under for being stupid enough to deal with M$ in the first place? Absolutely. Did Sendo have any real chance in surviving? Probably not.
The only thing I really see as a major concern in this thread, is the head of the OS4 team seems to be a EuroElitist who has a history of bashing the USA. If he wasn't ahead of the OS4 team, I could easily have ignored his posts against the USA as some elitist wannabe bar certified attorney who couldn't cut it in his own field. Sadly, he is the front man for the OS4.
So Ben, what's your feelings about the Arab vs Isreali conflict? Surely a super genius such as yourself has a point of view on this?
Dammy
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Posted by Lars Nelson on 24-Dec-2002 14:32 GMT
This is the way Microsoft works. They steal technology, strong arm
their competitors out of business, or buy them out. They have no
intention of "promoting" anyone else. It has been their way from
the beginning. It is why Amiga should not be dealing with them.
This will not stop as long as people continue to buy Microsoft.
- Lars
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Posted by MonkeyOS on 24-Dec-2002 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (dammy):
Kill 'em all and let Allah sort 'em out
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Posted by Alan on 24-Dec-2002 14:38 GMT
Amiga users love to have a go at Microsoft but look at the true facts, Microsoft is a major successful business depite all their illegal activites, If any Amiga companies was 1% successful as Microsoft then the Amiga would not be in the situation as it is today, keep up the good work M$ as clearly you know how to run a business not like Amiga companies.
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Posted by Gregg on 24-Dec-2002 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (dammy):
Public Service Announcement :
"So Ben, what's your feelings about the Arab vs Isreali conflict? Surely a super genius such as yourself has a point of view on this?"
This is just Dammy taunting Ben H.; nobody need feel obliged to weigh in with their opinion on the afore-mentioned conflict.
Jeepers, Dammy. My Yuletide fire's looking a little low - think you could wizz up I-95 and, you know, fan the flames for me a bit?
Oh, and while I'm here, a quick pedantic cliche for Ben H. : "America" is not "the U.S.(of A.)". Riles all a'them pesky wetbacks and canucks and such, y'hear?
Thanks,
Gregg
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Posted by Some Farker on 24-Dec-2002 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (MonkeyOS):
Amiga, Inc. are partners with Microsoft, you fuckwit.
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Posted by MonkeyOS on 24-Dec-2002 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Some Farker):
Learn to read, or better yet learn to think you cock sucking piece of horse shit!! Hyperion is not a Microsoft partner.
No go take a sharpened candy cane and shove it up your ass fuck face!
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Posted by ehaines on 24-Dec-2002 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (dammy):
There are many people here in the U.S. who find that our legal system
has become more and more ridiculous, and more and more in favor of money
rather than justice. Do you pay any attention at all to what goes on here?
In fact, there's been a growing trend lately of bypassing the whole judge/
jury/lawyer thing and going to arbitration instead. Personally I'm not
entirely in favor of that, since the judge/jury/lawyer thing does have
something to recommend it, at least when it works and hasn't been
destroyed by money. But it's understandable that people have become
increasingly frustrated by a failing system and try something else.
Try not to let silly pride blind you, and understand that our country
can be legitimately criticized even by people who don't live here. I
will certainly defend it as necessary, but not in this case.
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Posted by Darrin on 24-Dec-2002 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (ehaines):
Very well put. As a "Resident Alien" living in the USA I have to admit that the legal system here sucks as far as justice of the "little man" goes. I have friends in law enforcement too and they'll tell you the same thing.
There's something very said when you can catch a criminal in the act, have video footage, fingerprints, a "smoking gun" and a signed confession only to have the whole thing thrown out of court for a minor technicality. Most of the time the criminal is back on the street before the arrest paperwork is complete. I was actually dumb enough to pay the first two speeding fines I got over here before I realised that by contacting the "right people" you could have them "disappear"...
Of course, the UK system isn't THAT much better, but if the Founding Fathers realised just how much the Constitution is being abused by the lawyers then they'd be spinning in their graves.
PS. No offence Ben ;-)
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Posted by szutoman on 24-Dec-2002 16:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (ehaines):
I agree with you. Americas legal systemm is in shambles, something I have always followed, and for those who think other wise, just remeber what Bill Clinton got away with, then tell me money and High paid law makers in America will not change outcomes. Rember OJ. Something to ponder! America is a great place to live with great freedoms, but our law system has turned in the wrong direction and will crumble unto its self and our freedoms will slowly fade away. Remeber Rome, that where were headin.
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Posted by 3seas on 24-Dec-2002 16:31 GMT
Apparently some people here either lack in their ability to understand what MS was found guilty of or are criminals themselves.
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Posted by 3seas on 24-Dec-2002 16:40 GMT
America (US) has all the natural resources it needs to self sustain, it doesn't need others, cept to get things at a lower price than what it can get from itself.
This is the very core of the US.... and why some outside see the US as the great white satan......
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Posted by The_Editor on 24-Dec-2002 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (3seas):
BS
Australia has EVERY natural resource ..... It still needs imports.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-Dec-2002 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Look Ben, this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Business/reuters20021224_251.html
Simply ridiculus and pathetic, isn't it?
I explicitely stated that MS isn't free of faults, however lately it seems it's become an habit to bash MS for _everything_. In the above example Sun forces MS to ship their OS's with the JVM included: how can one possibly force another one to sell something?! That's truly pathetic.
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Posted by Gregg on 24-Dec-2002 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Fabio Alemagna):
Fabio, I think this is another case of things seldom being as simple as they might appear.
First, MS has been clearly identified as a monopolist; different rules apply to monopolists.
Secondly, MS has a long-standing agreement with Sun to implement and support Java; Sun just wants them to support the Java standard, not MS's just-a-little-incompatible implementation of Java.
I'm sure you can work out why MS's Java is different, and why Sun (and pretty much everybody else) thinks that standards are standards, and are happy to see this concept enforced.
Finally, don't for a moment think that Sun are the only people who can make money off Java; it is a standard that everybody can benefit from - and that's MS's peeve, since "everybody" is the enemy to their way of thinking.
Gregg
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Posted by tinman on 24-Dec-2002 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Fabio Alemagna):
Aren't they doing that to:
a) Force MS to ship Sun's JVM
b) Force MS not to deploy broken or non-standard JVMs
c) Get Java more widespread
MS have been doing some underhanded work in discrediting Java but Sun are showing that they are just as capable of that as MS by beating them with their JVMstick.
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Posted by Some Farker on 24-Dec-2002 18:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (MonkeyOS):
Does your mother know you use her computer like that?
Microsoft is an Amiga partner. Saying "Amiga/Microsoft" is therefore correct. Hyperion is doing work for Amiga. The conclusion was correct, assbag. Figure it out.
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Posted by Some Farker on 24-Dec-2002 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (ehaines):
Nope. I'll accept criticism from within, but not from without. Clean up your own back yard first, that's what I say.
Despite what you may think, arbitration helps quite a bit. Our country has become lawsuit happy because of our victim society mentality. Low men on the totem pole look up and figure if they screech and screech enough, they'll get the big bad old top guys to give them some money to shut up. It's well past time that ended. I'm not talking about legitimate suits - faulty manufacturing of critical auto components, suits over workplace saftey etc.
But ridiculous "Mcdonald's Coffee" lawsuits and the very idea that somehow large companies (e.g., Microsoft) should be made "more equal" are totally stupid.
I could point up flaw after flaw with other legal systems around the world, but y'know what? I don't live in Denmark, Togo, the Phillipines, Russia, New Zealand, Japan, Brazil, Canada, nor anywhere else. I can't effect a change there. The business of the citizens of those countries is just that: their business. Not mine.
I'd prefer it if Hermans et.al. spent their time writing the goddamn next generation Amiga operating system but apparently that's too much to ask, what with all their time being eaten up making biting legal analysis of the United States - not to mention their overall social commentary.
Have fun running Linux on your broken MAI boards, lads. It's all you're getting THIS year. ("THIS year" meaning the next twelve month period - didn't want to imply that either jack or shit were forthcoming from Hyperion).
Postscript: if anyone thinks I'm some kind of Morph OS fan, guess again. Bill Buck et.al. are as crooked as a dog's back leg and I wouldn't touch a Pegasos motherboard with a ten meter logic probe as they're totally inadequate in terms of expansions, do *NOT* run an Amiga OS, and ultimately look like a PcChips celeron motherboard I threw away some months ago...
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Posted by dammy on 24-Dec-2002 19:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (ehaines):
Sure, there is indeed problems with our (USAs) law suit happy attorney's over populating the civil justice system. I have never heard of any civil justice system that didn't have problems. Ben has now repeatedly slurred the USA in some fashion, be it the "illiterate" theme he was on, or now the USA's justice system.
Perhaps I'm reading too much into this. I'm just getting tired of Euro-Trash thinking their are morally and intellectually superior even though the idea of getting their hands dirty is revolting to them. I certainly hope Ben doesn't fall into this catagory.
Dammy
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 24-Dec-2002 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Fabio Alemagna):
I don't think Sun is forcing MS to ship Java, I think they want MS to comply with their Java license agreement and stop shipping a "polluted" Java which only runs on Windows.
I'll leave it at that as some people seem hell-bent on turning this into some kind of ridiculous nationalistic debate.
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Posted by Ginerbread Man on 24-Dec-2002 21:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Darrin):
"I was actually dumb enough to pay the first two speeding fines I got over here before I realised that by contacting the "right people" you could have them "disappear"... "
Could you please put me in contact with these people?
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Dec-2002 21:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (dammy):
> Sure, there is indeed problems with our (USAs) law suit happy attorney's over populating the civil justice system.
Most people overseas think your legal system is as crappy as it can be, live with it.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 25-Dec-2002 00:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> I don't think Sun is forcing MS to ship Java,
Quoting from that article:
"Sun and Microsoft, the world's largest software company, have been arguing over Java's inclusion in Microsoft's operating system for years, with Sun charging that Microsoft tried to sabotage Java by dropping it from Windows XP, which was introduced last year."
Requoting the relevant part: "Microsoft tried to sabotage Java by dropping it from Windows XP".
So, you see, the compliance to the proprietary Java technology is not the issue here, rather its (non) inclusion in Windows XP.
On an Italian News Paper's web site the article is even more explicit, by opensly stating that "Microsoft sarà costretta ad includere il linguaggio Java in Windows" - Microsoft will be forced to include the Java language in Windows.
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Posted by Graham on 25-Dec-2002 01:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Some Farker):
Go to business school to find out why monopolies are bad for capitalist societies. And Microsoft were found to be a monopoly, which is bad for the capitalist society.
Also, the MacDonalds coffee case was legitimate. People like to diss it, but would you like to be served coffee that is pressure heated to way-too-hot. MacDonalds knew their equipment was faulty, but didn't replace it.
Now maybe the size of the awards are silly, but on the other hand, would MacDonalds have cared about a $10000 fine? No. The cost of paying out a few dozen lawsuits would be vastly less than fixing the broken machines...
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Posted by JGarza on 25-Dec-2002 05:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (André Siegel):
Amiga better have its pants well-girded. I'm sure, with this new "working relationship" with MS, that MS has a copy of Amiga's DE technology on their hands, and wouldn't be surprised if MS stole, excuse me, "embraced and expanded" Amiga's underpants without Amiga realizing it.
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Posted by Frans on 25-Dec-2002 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Darrin):
Actually the Dutch legal system sucks as well...
We just had to let 4 alleged terrorists go because our equivalent of MI5 should according to the judge be seen as an agency providing 'tips' to the police and then the police should start their own investigation.
In other words, what the spies come up with doesn't hold up in court because is has no legal grounds... The police should redo everything and come up with the same results so that it then would be considered legal evidence.
Ofcourse about 10 more alleged terrorists are now jumping up-and-down to get released for the same reasons...
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Posted by Frans on 25-Dec-2002 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (3seas):
Come on, America does NOT have enough oil to be self sufficient and you know it.
After all that's one of the main reasons for wanting to control Iraq.
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Posted by Gingerbread Man on 25-Dec-2002 11:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Graham):
Microsoft were not found to be a monopoly. Furthermore, even if the justice system HAD found them to be a monopoly does not mean that they are a monopoly. In fact the ONLY monopolies that have ever existed the US have been created by the government ie. the former Bell/AT&T. In fact the origin of the anti-trust laws are the result of a political vendetta. Also, note the use of the word "trust." It does not mean monopoly. Microsoft has been characterized as "anti-competetive" yet their success is due to their superior ability to compete. They are very competetive. The ethics of their business practices is indeed questionable. Yet, so long as they are held liable to any breach of contract I do not see a problem.
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