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[Rant] "Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm?ANN.lu
Posted on 25-Dec-2002 12:19 GMT by P E220 comments
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Over at amiga.org, the signature "takemehomegrandma" has published a somewhat satirical post - for your enjoyment, here goes:

I want to apologize that the AmigaOne has still not been released (A1 mobos+OS4). I also want to apologize to our competing companies that we have accused for crimes in public without being able to back those accusations up with either proof or legal action. I also want to apologize for not keeping our promises to you developers who bought our expensive SDK's. I also want to apologize to the users who bought our coupons, ehrm, JOINED OUR CLUB, but has not been given anything of the promised. I also want to apologize for the confusion when our offices suddenly were empty and our phones went dead (but that was a result of hackers, remember). Amiga Inc is truly a global 24 hours a day company and the future looks brighter than ever for our beloved AMIGA. We are pleased to announce a Games Pocket Pack to our friends Micro$ofts Pocket PC. This truly shows what a great commitment our 3000 content developers has to our beloved AMIGA. Wonderful things are about to happen as allways. Thank you, as allways, for your support. Keep the AMIGA spirit, and remember to follow our trademark wherever we go. We are AMIGA. You are AMIGA (if you pay us 50 bucks). We will be back with more exciting announcements during the next weeks. See you then! /Yours McBill
Well, there you go. Merry christmas!
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 1 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 25-Dec-2002 11:33 GMT
takemehomegrandma prolly didn't get any gifts from anyone today
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 2 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 25-Dec-2002 11:43 GMT
good to see there still are some miserable mos camp members who takes the
opportunity to bash at the amiga in these happy times :)
happy holidays everyone :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 3 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 25-Dec-2002 11:47 GMT
The post is out of context. It was a mere joke, nothing more. And yes, it was fun.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 4 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 25-Dec-2002 11:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Emeric SH):
yes, it was funny....nearly as funny as the "The is no Mai without April" and
"We are about to be crushed" and "YDL will crash and burn" words from billy buck :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 5 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 25-Dec-2002 12:18 GMT
Read the original thread to see the message in context. I have no idea tho why was it necessary to post it here.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 6 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Joe Average on 25-Dec-2002 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Emeric SH):
Well, the reason of posting it here was that it was a funny, humorous remark of Amiga's lack of action. That "grandma" figure sure should have a talk show of his own. :) Merry christmas everyone!
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 7 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 25-Dec-2002 12:53 GMT
Have to admit it, I kinda liked it. The reason is because it could just be a real posting from Amiga ;-)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 8 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 25-Dec-2002 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (catohagen):
Don't use stuff you didn't understand as examples.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 9 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 25-Dec-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Emeric SH):
>I have no idea tho why was it necessary to post it here
ann.lu is mos camp favourite place, everything negative about amiga is moderated
to news, and anything positive or stuff thats proves mos camp wrong will be
hidden and forgotten :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 10 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 25-Dec-2002 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (catohagen):
It was a joke you idiot! Like xyz posts about MOS.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 11 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 25-Dec-2002 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
A joke that is very close to reality.... :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 12 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 25-Dec-2002 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
yep, thats right....i'm an idiot :)
when will "YDL will crash and burn" come closer to reality ?
and the legal action agains ainc ? you promised me they will go down
when Billy buck sues them :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 13 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 25-Dec-2002 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (catohagen):
>and the legal action agains ainc
They will get used to it.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 14 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by DDJPPC on 25-Dec-2002 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (catohagen):
> ann.lu is mos camp favourite place, everything negative about amiga is
> moderated to news, and anything positive or stuff thats proves mos camp
> wrong will be hidden and forgotten :)
If so, show us anything positive about your camp :), or any stuff that prove Mos camp is wrong.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 15 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by steve on 25-Dec-2002 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (catohagen):
how can an emulator sue the owners of the os its emulating ?
confusing ?...yes, you are an idiot...
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 16 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Alkis, you are the biggest MOS-camper of all. I suggest you pack it before you make even more people hate MOS and its supporters.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 17 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 25-Dec-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
well said, that is very close to reality.... :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 18 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 25-Dec-2002 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (steve):
Hello,
@steve
> how can an emulator sue the owners of the os its emulating ?
> confusing ?...yes, you are an idiot...
This cleary show that you've no clue of what you're talking about. There are no more emulators in MorphOS than in AmigaOS 4 (i.e: only a 68k emulator, nothing else)
Regards
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 19 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 25-Dec-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (steve):
you should be careful when using the word emulator when speaking about
mos, as the mos camp don't like that word....they invented new words like
api compatible or whatever....
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 20 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 14:32 GMT
Oh great, one AInc hater writes a stupid fake post and all the others pat him on the back. I know why i cant take you lot serious.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 21 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (catohagen):
True, but we know it doesnt change the fact what it *does*.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 22 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 25-Dec-2002 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (steve):
soon you'll see all 15 of the raving mos camp, defending eachother and praising
mos and buck, and hundreds of reasons why mos isnt an emulator :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 23 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 25-Dec-2002 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (catohagen):
Hello,
@catohagen
I'm sure you know the Petunia Web site? If yes, and if you know MorphOS enough just read the definitions of emulator, sandbox and so on on the Petunia website and you'll see why MorphOS's ABox is not an emulator.
Regards
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 24 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 25-Dec-2002 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Frodon):
http://zapek.meanmachine.ch/morphos/morphos.html speaks pretty much about
emulation, infact the word keeps popping up every other sentence, if
emulation is such a bad word, why are the word used so much ?
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 25 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 25-Dec-2002 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (catohagen):
With no offices, I bet the poor Server (no, not computer server) are having a bitch of a time tracking down Amiga Inc's owners to serve them the legal papers.
Dammy
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 26 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 25-Dec-2002 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (catohagen):
You still haven't actually read this document have you? If you had you would
see that it is a developer documentation describing how to port AmigaOS
programs to the A-Box API. But then who cares? Money rules the world.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 27 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 25-Dec-2002 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (catohagen):
Hello
@catohagen
If you read it in details, you'll see that by emulation he only means the 68k emulation.
In the detailled sections you see that he only use emulation for sepaking about the 68k emulation or the FPU (6888x) emulation, nothing else.
Regards
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 28 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 25-Dec-2002 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Frodon):
"provides ways to write native PPC programs running into the emulation box in a mixed mode"
"The ABox emulation is a Quark task doing the following:"
its an emulator...period :)
happy holidays :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 29 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (catohagen):
>when will "YDL will crash and burn" come closer to reality ?
As soon as they ship their boards without a full fix in January?
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 30 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 15:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (catohagen):
Itīs just to confuse the weak minded AInc trolls. :-)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 31 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 25-Dec-2002 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (catohagen):
Hello,
@catohagen
This just show you're concluding a lot too fast. Again, read the details :)
Regards
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 32 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 25-Dec-2002 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (steve):
Ehm, they will sue them for other reasons...
Anyway, I just hate Amiga Inc. because they exploited
the Amiga community and did almost nothing. I have no
problem with Hyperion and Eyetech. I'll buy OS4 as soon
as it's available but I don't want to have ANYTHING to
do with Amiga Inc...
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 33 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 25-Dec-2002 15:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
I am a big supporter of them, I never said I wasn't...
But apart from that you know nothing about me. I'm not
what you would call a BMF, nor am I single sided.
You might have found my name as a tester in recent
products you wouldn't think it would be.
I *AM* an Amiga Inc hater and a MorphOS fan but NOT an
Amiga (this means, Amiga computers, OS4 etc) hater...
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 34 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 25-Dec-2002 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Alkis you are an idiot talking like that to other people




:-)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 35 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 25-Dec-2002 16:24 GMT
It's strange - that this site is taken over by MOS campers. It seems to me there are at least that much, or even more AInc campers. Do we really need to belong to camps?
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 36 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 25-Dec-2002 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (catohagen):
> you should be careful when using the word emulator when speaking about
> mos, as the mos camp don't like that word....they invented new words like
> api compatible or whatever....

So, is AROS an emulator too? Is linux an unix emulator? Is WINE an emulator?
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 37 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 25-Dec-2002 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Emeric SH):
Hello,

No "MOS campers" are not taking over this site.
There are just some people (like me) who answered to other (for me, steve and catohagen) to avoid misinformation.
Indeed steve started to say that MOS is an emulator, so I answered that it's not and explained why. Then catohagen continued and I answered.

It's just how forums work :) Someone talk about something, others answers :) And of course on such type of site people use their opinions to answer :)
I personnally answered to steve and catohagen because in my opinion what they said was not true.

Regards
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 38 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Fabio Alemagna):
AROS doesn't run AmigaOS binaries. At least not last time I checked.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 39 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 25-Dec-2002 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
> AROS doesn't run AmigaOS binaries. At least not last time I checked.

It can, but not on x86. It can run AmigaOS binaries on 68k. However, even on x86 certain kind of AmigaOS binaries are interpreted and used correctly, like fonts (which are normal AmigaOS executables).

But if you read this thread you'd know that MOS is labeled as emulator not because it can run AmigaOS binaries, but because it reimplements the AmigaOS API, somethign that also AROS does. More to the point, is then linux an unix emulator? Is WINE a Windows emulator? (Hint: WINE stands for WINE Is Not an Emulator).
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 40 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 25-Dec-2002 16:52 GMT
With all these camps and camp grounds, you'd think someone would have brought the mashmellows.... Oh wait, I forgot everyone is waiting on Amiga to bring the matches.

Who really needs mashmellows? Who you gonna call?

Amiga busters... the ghost of Amiga .... looming around....

:)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 41 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by It's MEEE!!!! on 25-Dec-2002 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (catohagen):
Don't worry your post doesn't alter the fact that you have no clue.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 42 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 25-Dec-2002 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (catohagen):
http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=AmigaOS+is+an+emulator&q2=MorphOS+is+an+emulator&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us
says it all.

Merry x-mas.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 43 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
Yes of course it doesn't run 68k machine code, but Aros features a compatible Amiga API, if you compile Aros for 68k and run it in an 68k Classic Amiga it can run 68k binaries natively and it is not the original AmigaOS...

Weird isn't? and it is still not an emulator...
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 44 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 25-Dec-2002 17:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
You haven't got a clue of what I was talking about, have you? Please, try to read before posting.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 45 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Fabio Alemagna):
> But if you read this thread you'd know that MOS is labeled as emulator not because it can run AmigaOS binaries, but because it reimplements the AmigaOS API, somethign that also AROS does. More to the point, is then linux an unix emulator? Is WINE a Windows emulator? (Hint: WINE stands for WINE Is Not an Emulator).

So because its name says "im not an emulator" that must be correct? Sure, it doesnt emulate windows itself but it does emulate a windows environment to windows programs.

Abox was specifically designed to run AmigaOS binaries (thats beyond simple api compatibility), so it does emulate an AmigaOS environment to AmigaOS programs. I do not care if it is also "reimplemented", "native" or whatever.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 46 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 17:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (David Scheibler):
If that tells anything then that mos is irrelevant to most people :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 47 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 25-Dec-2002 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
> So because its name says "im not an emulator" that must be correct? Sure, it
> doesnt emulate windows itself but it does emulate a windows environment to
> windows programs.

That is, it reimplements Windows. Now, if "reimplementation" is a synonym of "emulation" for you, that's just your problem. However, given that that it's what you mean with "emulation", why would that be in any way something to be blamed for?
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 48 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Dec-2002 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Fabio Alemagna):
Being (in part) an emulator is nothing to be shamed for in itself (which is also why dont understand the uproar). My problem is not with it being an emulation system but with the reason why it is one.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 49 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 25-Dec-2002 18:11 GMT
Yayy... This emulation/not emulation has not technical but psychological/emotional motives. Those trying to apply the sticker "emulator" to MorphOS, are simply trying to mislead purchasers by making the distinction between the "emulator" and "the real thing" even if technically (regarding not the new features, but compatibility) it's almost the same what OS4 will be. OS4, when will be available will be the "real thing" as it's official Amiga Inc. product, and not because it's technical merits. MorphOS is MorphOS (unless Amiga Inc. changes it's mind which is very unlikely) not AmigaOS.

Both OS4 and MorphOS has a 68K emulator, and regarding the issue, the AInc camp is right, the word "emulation" can be mentioned concerning MorphOS. However, the MorphOS is right in that since it provides extra functionality, and a whole new basis (many due to AmigaInc rejecting it as the new AmigaOS, and the necessity of rewriting many things from scratch to avoid possible ip issues) it cannot be simply called an Emulator.

However, deciding by occurences of a word in a certain document is pretty unprofessional way of determining if it's an Emulator or not.

IMHO
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 50 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 25-Dec-2002 18:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Emeric SH):
You almost have it correct. MOS is not the official AOS due to licensing dissagreements from Bill and Fleecy with MOS crew. Apparently they were more then willing to accept MOS as the new AOS, they just couldn't come together over contract/licensing terms. I really see this as a moot issue since MOS will run AmigaDE eventually, it's all the same when you see AmigaDE, right?

Dammy
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