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[Rant] "Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm?ANN.lu
Posted on 25-Dec-2002 12:19 GMT by P E220 comments
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Over at amiga.org, the signature "takemehomegrandma" has published a somewhat satirical post - for your enjoyment, here goes:

I want to apologize that the AmigaOne has still not been released (A1 mobos+OS4). I also want to apologize to our competing companies that we have accused for crimes in public without being able to back those accusations up with either proof or legal action. I also want to apologize for not keeping our promises to you developers who bought our expensive SDK's. I also want to apologize to the users who bought our coupons, ehrm, JOINED OUR CLUB, but has not been given anything of the promised. I also want to apologize for the confusion when our offices suddenly were empty and our phones went dead (but that was a result of hackers, remember). Amiga Inc is truly a global 24 hours a day company and the future looks brighter than ever for our beloved AMIGA. We are pleased to announce a Games Pocket Pack to our friends Micro$ofts Pocket PC. This truly shows what a great commitment our 3000 content developers has to our beloved AMIGA. Wonderful things are about to happen as allways. Thank you, as allways, for your support. Keep the AMIGA spirit, and remember to follow our trademark wherever we go. We are AMIGA. You are AMIGA (if you pay us 50 bucks). We will be back with more exciting announcements during the next weeks. See you then! /Yours McBill
Well, there you go. Merry christmas!
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 101 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Dec-2002 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Fabio Alemagna):
> What are "these kind of rants"?

Rants that proves no other purpose than to further open the wounds that has
been ripped through our community. Spewing fuel on the fire of hatred that
exist between the different factions. And intentional or not only gives
a pat in the back on the people who enjoy the hatred.

> Bjorn, you really seem to enjoy childish fights, don't you?

No but you do, otherwise you would not go on and on with arguments like this
all the time. No matter how wrong or out of context you are.

> Do you want
> people to believe that you prefer to click everytime on the various links
> instead than havbing the settings saved in a cooky?

This has absolutely nothing, nothing at all to do with the image of Ann. Why
do you keep bringing this up. Because you enjoy "childish fights" ? My
settings are totally irrelevant to anyone else but me.

> I mean, do you really think people are SO stupid?

What does that has do do with anything here?

> You're right, I have no way to know whether you're just silly or smart enough
> to have the settings saved, but I DO know that you constantly follow all the
> sections, I just assumed you were smart enough to have the settings saved.

What settings I have or not has absolutely nothing to do with the image of
ann. Didn't you read it all the times I wrote that before? Or did you just
ignore it because you never ever are able to see any other view than your own.

You are stuck on the same track going on and on and on as you usually do.

> But if you say that that's a wrong assumptions, ah well, then I apologize
> for having trusted in your intelligence.

Totally unrelated again.

/Björn
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 102 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 26-Dec-2002 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Björn Hagström):
> > What are "these kind of rants"?

> Rants that proves no other purpose than to further open the wounds that has
> been ripped through our community.

Aaah, so you acknowledge that the rant does actuallty say the truth, but unfortunately that's a truth that hurts. Is that your point then? Sorry Bjorn, but that's satire, just learn how to smile, once in a while, and stop believing this is a religion: this is about computing, and there's no "wound" in this community to heal, there are just companies and users, and companies who lie to users. That's all.

> Spewing fuel on the fire of hatred that exist between the different factions.
> And intentional or not only gives a pat in the back on the people who enjoy
> the hatred.

Dude, do you realize that the only ones who got it the way of "fuel on fire" are you and the other 2 or 3 ones who got upset like you? NO ONE ELSE, apart from you and a few others has actually seen it the way you do, the sane ones saw it as *satire*. Take it easy!


> > Bjorn, you really seem to enjoy childish fights, don't you?

> No but you do,

Oh, really? Playing the game of "I know what you think", aren't you? :)

> otherwise you would not go on and on with arguments like this
> all the time. No matter how wrong or out of context you are.

Hum? Bjorn, that's just silly of you... Must I remind you that YOU started this nonsense?

Ok, let me refresh your memory, then:
In the message http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1040818791&category=rant&start=51#message72 I wrote " In the "Rant" section. If you don't like Rants, don't have them displayed.", to which yuo replied "You do not have access to the cookie holding my personal settings.". Now, please, explain to me what has my ability to access your settings got anything to do with my suggestion to not have the rant section displayed.

I just seconded you, and then you blame me for talking about nonsense? LOL :)

> > Do you want
> > people to believe that you prefer to click everytime on the various links
> > instead than havbing the settings saved in a cooky?

This has absolutely nothing, nothing at all to do with the image of Ann.

I was responding TO YOUR CLAIM that you don't use cookies to store the settings. Indeed it has nothign to do with the ANN's image, but it got very much to do with yours and your lies or silliness (you chose which one suits you best).


> Why do you keep bringing this up. Because you enjoy "childish fights" ? My
> settings are totally irrelevant to anyone else but me.

And no one questioned that, the only thing I did was suggesting you to not have rants displayed if you don't like them. Now, don't ask me what have your settings got to do with my suggestion because I don't know, you should ask yourself.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 103 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 26-Dec-2002 18:05 GMT
so true, good i bought an amd athlon xp 2100+, 512mhz 333mhz ddr cas 2 memory, 2*80gb/8mb cache hdds and so on instead of an amigaone. atleast bsd exists.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 104 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alan on 26-Dec-2002 18:27 GMT
AmigaONE or should that be called LinuxONE is a complete rip off, only the complete die hard amiga nut would purchase such a poor pathetic excuse for a motherboard, The year is 2002 for fucks sake, never mind eyetech and amiga inc are run by bastards.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 105 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alan on 26-Dec-2002 18:28 GMT
AmigaONE or should that be called LinuxONE is a complete rip off, only the complete die hard amiga nut would purchase such a poor pathetic excuse for a motherboard, The year is 2002 for fucks sake, never mind eyetech and amiga inc are run by bastards,

PS: I got a machine 3 times as fast with everything for less than half price of the A1/L1.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 106 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alan on 26-Dec-2002 18:37 GMT
Sorry forgot to mention MERRY CHRISTMAS.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 107 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 26-Dec-2002 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 102 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Aaah, so you acknowledge that the rant does actuallty say the truth, but
>unfortunately that's a truth that hurts. Is that your point then? Sorry Bjorn,
>but that's satire, just learn how to smile, once in a while, and stop believing
>this is a religion: this is about computing, and there's no "wound" in this
>community to heal, there are just companies and users, and companies who lie to
>users. That's all.

I acknowledge that it does that? Where? I have said nothing about how I
personally recieve the post but still you claim to know what my view is
on the content itself? You are a funny guy Fabio.

>Dude, do you realize that the only ones who got it the way of "fuel on fire"
>are you and the other 2 or 3 ones who got upset like you? NO ONE ELSE, apart
>from you and a few others has actually seen it the way you do, the sane ones
>saw it as *satire*. Take it easy!

See above.

> Oh, really? Playing the game of "I know what you think", aren't you? :)

Ehh, you have been telling me all day what I think or do. Don't be silly.

>Hum? Bjorn, that's just silly of you... Must I remind you that YOU started
>this nonsense?

No you started the nonsense by dwindling off into Fabioland illusions about
what settings I might or might not have.

>I wrote " In the "Rant" section. If you don't like Rants, don't have them
>displayed.", to which yuo replied "You do not have access to the cookie holding
>my personal settings.". Now, please, explain to me what has my ability to
>access your settings got anything to do with my suggestion to not have the rant
>section displayed.

I means that you have no knowledge of whether I do or not.

>I just seconded you, and then you blame me for talking about nonsense? LOL :)

It meant that you should not talk about stuff you now nothing about. Ie, my
settings. Since my settings are totally irrelevant to how rants like this
affects the preception of Ann.

>I was responding TO YOUR CLAIM that you don't use cookies to store the
>settings. Indeed it has nothign to do with the ANN's image, but it got very
>much to do with yours and your lies or silliness (you chose which one suits you
>best).

I have made no comment about me not using cookies to store settings. Read back.

>And no one questioned that, the only thing I did was suggesting you to not have
>rants displayed if you don't like them. Now, don't ask me what have your
>settings got to do with my suggestion because I don't know, you should ask
>yourself.

Having rants (like this one and others) displayed on the main page (read default setting) hurts the image of ann. Whether I read or like the content has nothing to do with it. I am fully capable of deciding what to read or not.

/Björn
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 108 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by redfox on 26-Dec-2002 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (takemehomegrandma):
@takemehomegrandma

"It was a satirical joke I made in a discussion about why there were no Christmas Message from Amiga Inc this year ..."

I read your joke first on amiga.org, and I really enjoyed your satire and humor. Your message fit in well with the rest of the thread.

Thanks for sharing a few laughs with us over there ...

@the rest of you ...

Lighten up a little. This was a joke ... that someone took it out its original context and posted to ann.lu as news.

Put away your squabbles and enjoy the festive season.

------------
redfox
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 109 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 26-Dec-2002 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (MonkeyOS):
Christian,

News in some parts of society is more than publishing marketing announcements and unverified rumor.

To show how far you are from some people's definition of news, some people don't consider any kind of marketing announcement or unverified rumor to be news at all, and only consider, what you call stalking, to be real news.

Taking photograph's and doing investigative research IS REAL NEWS.

I was shocked and surprised anyone bothered, as shocked and surprised as everyone, but still, it is not STALKING, its the rarest of things around here, actual investigative REPORTING.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 110 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 26-Dec-2002 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (MarkTime):
I agree to some extent, but this is neither the 7 o'clock news, nor are there any paid journalists here. As such, there's no way I'm going to feature a "report" from a person I never met, never heard of, and have no possibility to verify his own integrity; whose only aim seems to be to follow someone on what looks like a personal vendetta and wait until there is any opportunity to take a picture that would confirm some accusation that might not even be true in the first place.

Merlancia might not be everything they claim(ed) to be, but then again there is no way I will support the kind of "investigative journalism" that was used to get the point across. If that's what "news" is supposed to be, then I might not be the right man for the job, and ANN might not be the right site for me to run. I think that over the years, I found a news style I am comfortable with, even though I don't always agree with all the postings that make it to the front page; but clearly, I'm need to draw a line somewhere, and that Merlancia news item was crossing it by quite a bit.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 111 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 26-Dec-2002 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Björn Hagström):
Björn Hagström

I agree with you 100% .

The image of Ann has nothing to do with yours or Anyone else's settings.


First impressions matter and i would not want first time viewers to see such a thread.
As some mite not think ok! this is a Rant & i will infuture just untick Rant.
They will most likely just be put off full stop.

I the Ann owners dont wont to give such an impression then its totally with in there power to do so.


Björn Hagström i dont understand why the other guy does not understand what your point is.
But if i were you i would not bother continuing with him.

Its just not worth the time and effort, like many AmigaOs ppl have done & more & more are thinking about Ann.


Some now only read and never post, some dont read it anymore at all.
Some will read rarely and post rarely as they dont want to get into what you have just gotten into to often.

You notice that its very one sided on Ann.
There are more MOS supporters speaking here than AmigaOS supporters.
You will see long threads with loads of MOS ppl & only the odd AmigaOS person speaking.
If it was not for that odd AmigaOs person speaking then the MOS ppl would have noting to keep the thread going.

I have seen some very sort threads that have been anti Amiga.inc cos Aos ppl have not replyed to the MOS ppl.

You dont see ppl like samface here much anymore cos he knows its just a waste of time.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 112 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 26-Dec-2002 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Alkemyst):
Just how many first time visitors do you think there are, anymore? And then, wouldn't it be kinda stupid to stop visiting a site just because a few postings have an opinion that differs from yours? Who knows, perhaps there's actually a reason why there are differences in opinion, and some just don't understand...

Besides, it does get rather tiring to always hear people blaming the other camp for everything. What it boils down to in the end is individuals going on a holy crusade, often without understanding the opposing view, or seeing the flaws of the solution they are so ardently supporting.

What is annoying me the most on ANN right now is that constant complaining about "the other camp" and ANN tolerating their presence when in fact the people from the first camp are doing exactly the same, if not worse.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 113 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 26-Dec-2002 20:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Christian Kemp):
wow, I was just musing on this same subject. We forever have charges of trolling ...its so bizarre.

Lets just all accept the fact that when someone posts, in general, they are trying to be provacative, and just drop the concern about trolling. In other words, the debate is so high strung its all trolling, we can at least cut down on half the posts, if we stop the trolling accusation posts.

oooh, but before we stop I have to accuse at least a few people of counter trolling, just because it sounds so fun.

I apologize in advance for the 'anti-counter trolling' movement this is going to spawn, but after that, after that I promise, I'm done...
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 114 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 26-Dec-2002 21:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Christian Kemp):
"Just how many first time visitors do you think there are, anymore? And then, wouldn't it be kinda stupid to stop visiting a site just because a few postings have an opinion that differs from yours? Who knows, perhaps there's actually a reason why there are differences in opinion, and some just don't understand..."

And this is exactly the reason why some ppl dont bother with Ann anymore. Cos you just dont even try to understand what the other person is saying.


"Just how many first time visitors do you think there are, anymore?"


I was not asking you a question & the amount of first time visitors is not was not the point or the issue.

The visitors lack of could lead to a whole thread on its own.
Mabe its because of thread like this why there is few first time ppl. Reputation can spread fast.

Amiga.org gets alot more pll joining per week then what i see of Ann.


"because a few postings have an opinion that differs from yours? Who knows, perhaps there's actually a reason why there are differences in opinion, and some just don't understand..."

Well that where you are Wrong. its not the opinion that puts me or many others off.
Its the flaming,childness, name calling,Trolling & twisting of words,& all the other crap that goes on here.

And IF you cant understand that then that Your Problem & ANN's.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 115 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alan on 26-Dec-2002 21:37 GMT
We are back to the same bullshit again,

Say anything slightly negative against an aspects of anything to do with Amiga then your either or troll or mos lover,

grow up people your not living in a fairy tail like Amiga companies.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 116 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 26-Dec-2002 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Alan):
But there seems to be nothing but "negative aspects of amiga being side be the other side here.

Give credit when credit is dew then most ppl will accept the negative parts as well.

its all about balance.

There is little ATM about amiga to give credit, but when there is, if all you & others can do is try to find the negative in everything amiga then no wonder why ppl will see you as a troll.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 117 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Multiview on 26-Dec-2002 22:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Leki):
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Quit hanging out on these forums and get back over to chat young mister!
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 118 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 26-Dec-2002 22:33 GMT
ABox in MorphOS isn't an emulator any more than WINE. Anybody who is calling it an emulator are either ignorant or are on a misinformation campaign.

UAE is an emulator, ABox is not. There is a HUUUUGE difference. UAE *emulates* an A500 down to every friggin chip at the INTERRUPT LEVEL. It will only execute OS-level software like AOS 3.3. ABox *supports* an ABI and API which one has to already have knowledge of in order to develop software for AOS.

You do not need an emulator in order to support a legacy API or even an ABI. 68k machine code needs to be interpreted by a 68k emulator but that does NOT make ABox an emulator.

ABox is a virtual machine. END OF STORY
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 119 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 26-Dec-2002 22:54 GMT
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 120 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Dec-2002 22:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (strobe):
Which is a type of emulator :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 121 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by RPM on 26-Dec-2002 23:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (strobe):
ABOX emulates AmigaOs
UAE emulates amiga hardware
68k emulator emulates 68k
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 122 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 26-Dec-2002 23:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Alkemyst):
The stats claim otherwise... :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 123 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 26-Dec-2002 23:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (Alkemyst):
You made a mistake here:
"it's a waste of time" should be "he is a waste of time"... :)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 124 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 26-Dec-2002 23:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (RPM):
Hello,

Well here how I see the thing. The A-Box is not really an emulator because it doesn't emulate anything except the 68k. I'll explain, the ABox have APIs, this APIs are indeed compatible with the AmigaOS APIs but they don't emulate them, they are created/written just like any API on any OS.
So tasks running on the ABox simply use these APIs just like any task on any OS using APIs of the OS.
A Linux task use Linux APIs, an AmigaOS task use AmigaOS APIs, a MorphOS ABox task use ABox APIs.
Only 68k tasks are using an emulator to run, i.e: the 68k emulator but they still use the ABox APIs (which are native APIs) when they ask for some AmigaOS APIs (like Intuition, Gadtools...etc APIs) just because these APIs are compatible.

The only difference with a common OS like MacOS or Windows is that the ABox is a Quark task, in fact it's like the Classic box in MacOS X. Applications running in MacOS X Classic box are simply using the MacOS 9.2 APIs and no emulation is used at all.

Yes this could be called "virtual machine" but it's not IMHO the most appropriate term because in this term there is the word "Machine" which should imply that the box is emulation/simulating a machine which is not the case with the MacOS X Classic Box or MorphOS ABox (of course this is the case with the JavaVM or with VMWare under Linux which are real VM).

Let's just say that it's an environment box. That's to say that it's a software box that offer an environment to run some type of softwares.
I think it's more appropriate to call it like that if you really want to give a name to that kind of boxes.

Regards
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 125 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 26-Dec-2002 23:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 116 (Alkemyst):
Give me some GOOD news about Amiga Inc. and I'll post them...
There are NONE...
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 126 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 26-Dec-2002 23:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Crap hits does not count has members.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 127 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 26-Dec-2002 23:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I did not.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 128 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 26-Dec-2002 23:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I did say when there is.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 129 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 26-Dec-2002 23:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Alkemyst):
Uh? I mean the COMMENT stats... Let me paste the top and add some comments:

02 1149 Alkis Tsapanidis >MOS&AOS, AntiINC.
03 1094 cOrpse >AOS
04 943 DaveW >AOS
05 885 Samface >AOS
06 859 priest >AOS
07 814 Don Cox >almost neutral
08 679 Darrin >AOS
09 649 redrumloa >AOS
10 637 Ben Hermans/Hyperion >THE AOS
11 633 David Scheibler >MOS
12 609 Bill Hoggett >Amithlon
13 592 Amifan >Neutral
14 587 graham >can't remember
15 556 Christophe Decanini >Moderator, MOS
16 543 amigammc >Amiga Inc FANATIC
17 517 Dave >Can't remember.
18 515 Mike Veroukis >AOS
19 475 Kronos >Amithlon, VERY anti-AmigaInc.
20 464 Björn Hagström >AOS.

...
Now draw your conclusions based on FACTS.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 130 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 26-Dec-2002 23:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Alkemyst):
Yes you did, repeating the same stuff for 600 comments, contradicting youself
and continueing after being prooved wrong A LOT of times doesn't make someone
a person worth wasting time about...
So yes, he IS a waste of time...
And BTW, HE started most BIG flamewars in here...
His course of actions: wait>post something anti-MOS>shut up>pretend to have done nothing wrong and to be innocent.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 131 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by NeRP on 26-Dec-2002 23:51 GMT
Why is this complete shit text file front page "news" This is
bordering on the fucking ludicrous

YAY MNN!
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 132 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 27-Dec-2002 00:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Only 20 members thats not as many as Amiga.org
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 133 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 27-Dec-2002 00:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 130 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
No i did not cos i was saying Ann is a waste of time.

i was not saying if i thought samface was a waste of time or not.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 134 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 27-Dec-2002 00:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"19 475 Kronos >Amithlon, VERY anti-AmigaInc. "

That should have been:

19 475 Kronos > formely Amithlon, now MOS, likes AmigaInc just as much as
Bobo_the_clown.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 135 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by RPM on 27-Dec-2002 00:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Frodon):
My english is't good but..here goes.
What is a emulator? to me it is something that is not the real thing but acts like it..
and abox is not amigaos but it acts like it just like the the 68k emulator is not the real 68k but it acts like 68k.
Why is the word emulator bad?.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 136 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 27-Dec-2002 00:42 GMT
I didn't think it was funny at all. It pissed me off....mostly because I thought it was an actual post from McEwen. :)

coldfire
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 137 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 27-Dec-2002 00:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (RPM):
The word emulator isn't bad. It's only bad to emulate an amiga (according to certain purists). I personally don't have a problem with emulation up to a point. I kind of find it silly to call an emulator an Amiga and say that one has an Amiga that's 40 times faster than an 060 when it's really just an emulation and not nearly perfect. Of course that particular emulator is kind of a moot point lately due to some legal issues. :)

coldfire
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 138 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alan on 27-Dec-2002 02:21 GMT
So what if people prefer an Amiga emulator to the real thing, Emulators are excellent if you want to run Amithlon,windows,a linux distro on the same box,

I use Amithlon and it is one of the best Amiga products going but went down the pan thanks to the wonderfull inhouse fights,

WinUAE and Amithlon gives me a lot more than a real amiga could ever do.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 139 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 27-Dec-2002 02:48 GMT
I think the "post" was rather funny. It obviously is looking at
the results of the companies promises. Many promises or announements
suddeny change direction wiht this Amiga, INC. Remember, sharp?,
how about Nokia?, Sendo? Thousands of Amiga and AmigaDE developers?
The 50$ coupon? OS4.0, OS4.2, OS 5? Tao Elate on desktop? Espial
browsers? Hundreds of ported Amiga progs to DE?

Now it is true that many companies change direction as the market
changes...and this company is a "start-uP", and supposedly they
just are a software company...but they are becoming more and more
a "slave" to the Microsoft domination. There is no real machine
out there on the MARKET. Yes, it is in many minds of the software
writers, hardware engineers, and visionary(hallucinating?) users
and creators of content, but it is not on the MARKET and that is
the ultimate test for any of the Amiga Announcements. I have bee
waiting for an upgrade in my computer systems for a long time,
the Amiga believe it or not can still be useful, but its
functionality is becoming less and less, and less, and bankruptcy
or not, it must fade away eventually. The failure of Amiga, Inc
to bring an adequate bridge or replacement in a timely fashion
doesn't bode well. And it must be called a failure at this time.
The term "failure" may change, but for now it looks pretty dead,
as "announcements" and "real soon now" terms don't mean anything
anymore. They have failed tooooo many times to fulfill their
announcements promises.

I hope they succeed. I would love to be wrong. But when someone
isn't breathing on his own he most likely is dead.

Cheers.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 140 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 27-Dec-2002 03:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Very, very AOS and AInc. and AOne... but would prefer a 68070 @1.5 GHz and the AAA chipset (complete compatability).

The actions of AInc., I cannot defend....irritating. But, I've done ms, and it is garbage(and worse), truely.

Amiga! "We'll get back to you... ... ...", says AInc.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 141 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 27-Dec-2002 03:36 GMT
Is there really an Amiga emulator for x86? I mean, every package says "we can emulate, but....".

Don't bang the HW.
Timing is off.
Multiple resolutions and screen below screen, N/A.
No AGA.

I used Amiga Forever 3.0, and couldn't get the serial or parallel ports to work.

Only exception, the floopy drive can't read 880k or copy protected disks, understandable, but maintains the incomplete emulator, standard.

Fact is, we have a UNIQUE MASTERPIECE of a REAL COMPUTER and OS that the competition CAN"T replicate, TO THIS DAY!!!!!

Amiga! "They suck, AMIGA RULEZZZ!!!", says Amy, the mascot.

P.S. Seems to me Amiga Forever gets the closest, combined with a squirrel? floppy controller. What's REALLY needed is an equivalent bridgeboard card, with a 68000 and 68060 w MMU, AGA, etc. in a PCI slot.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 142 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 27-Dec-2002 04:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (Atheist2):
>Multiple resolutions
Both Amithlon and UAE do support multiple resulotions, I would even say that
Amithlon has the fastest/best (2D) GFX-card available for AOS.

>and screen below screen, N/A.
You mean multiple screens behind each other ? -> feature of the OS not the HW/emu.
Or screen-dragging ? -> simple to unimportant to be included in currnet GFX-chips.

>No AGA.
There is AGA in WinUAE, just don't ask me how good it is.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 143 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 27-Dec-2002 04:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 142 (Kronos):
Your answer wasn't clear.

My statement was, can I grab the bar at the top, and slide it down, to see the screen underneath, I think WB and 3 extra screens can be opened, and the other 3 screens can have different resolutions/palletes/max. colors, than the WB screen. Does Amiga Forever, or Amithlon support this?

Amiga! 2003, and +, is OUR year!
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 144 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 27-Dec-2002 04:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 143 (Atheist2):
Well that question is a bit clearer:

Screen-dragging only works with:
OCS/ECS/AGA or UAE in OCS/ECS/AGA, Picasso2 with original SW (don't try)
and CGX (only on a few older Zorro-cards).

So no screendragging in Amithlon, OS4 or MorphOS.

Screen-dragging is nice, but surely not worth going back to AGA or 10 years
old Zorro-GFX-cards.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 145 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 27-Dec-2002 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Alkemyst):
> Amiga.org gets alot more pll joining per week then what i see of Ann.

Amiga.org forums != ANN main page
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 146 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 27-Dec-2002 06:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 135 (RPM):
Hello,

Yes and no, as far as I can see, the word emulator in the computer world is only used to speak about reproducing hardware.
Additionnaly the ABox not act exactly like AmigaOS, its APIs are written from scratch and offer new functionnalities that the original AmigaOS doesn't just for example.

So yes emulator can be used but in my opinion that's not the best word to describe it. You know in the english language there is a rich vocabulary to describe things, why should we restrict the description of the ABox (also valid for the OS X Classic box) when you can give a better one?
So in my opinion an Environment Box is a better description of what it is. I say that because the way how the kind of boxes works can be used for a lot more things than just offer compatibility with other OSes, for example the QBox in MorphOS will have completely new APIs and so will not reproduce the functionnalities of anything, it'll offer a completely new environment with his own APIs. And it'll still be a Box in the same fashion as the ABox.

So the definition of "environment box" will still be valid for the QBox but "emulator" will not be valid at all. And as in fact the QBox and ABox are similar in the concept this is paradoxal. I mean ABox and QBox are the same kind of thing technologically speaking, they'll just not offer the same environment (i.e: The APIs will be different) but if we used the definition of "emulator" for the ABox that'd mean the ABox is not the same thing technologically speaking than the QBox. Which is not true.
When you give a definition to something is to say what it is, not what it does.

So if you want you can say: The ABox is an environment box which emulate the AmigaOS environment. This is ok. But: the ABox is an emulator, is not ok as it's not what it is as itself.

Regards
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 147 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Senex (Martin Heine) on 27-Dec-2002 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (MarkTime):
> To show how far you are from some people's definition of news

I can't understand why Christian is criticized for the great service he offers to us with this website since many years already.

As he said already, this place is neither your favourite prime-time news broadcast on TV nor are here professional journalists presenting polished news-reports and background information. - Do you remember this place's name? "Amiga NETWORK NEWS". IMHO and IIRC this website was intended to collect all the diverse amiga-related items of news and information from Usenet and other places and networks. So that no-one had to screen them all by himself!

And therefore I'm very grateful to Christian. The value of ANN is not the quality of each news-item itself, it's the information that this very same piece of information does exist at all - and where you have to look for it in case you're interested in doing further investigation about that topic.

ANN does not aim at those people who prefer to just consumate ready-made opinions - it's aimed at people who are used to make their own opinions. And who therefore mainly need to know that and where a piece of information is located within this giant digital network.

I don't need help to get an idea about the content, I need help to not miss the respective piece of information itself.

This assistance is provided by ANN.

Therefore: Thank you, Christian, very much!

(Who, by the way, isn't responsible for the amount of news-items related to one company or the other; don't shoot the messenger.)
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 148 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 27-Dec-2002 07:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Christian Kemp):
That still dont answer my question.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 149 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 27-Dec-2002 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 148 (Alkemyst):
Then what is your question? You know, if there was any question in that post, it might have been wise to actually word it as such, and add a question mark at the end.
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? : Comment 150 of 220ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Wolf on 27-Dec-2002 08:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (Kronos):
> So no screendragging in [...] OS4...

http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1031660398&category=news&number=46
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1031660398&category=news&number=47

Look at the screenmode prefs window:
http://os.amiga.com/images/os4/Screen2_P3.png
http://os.amiga.com/images/os4/Screen4_P3.png

This does of course not mean that it actually got/will get implemented.
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