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[News] Phoenix to Attend CES With GenesiANN.lu
Posted on 30-Dec-2002 01:27 GMT by greenboy54 comments
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I am pleased to announce that the Phoenix Developer Consortium is now participating with Genesi in the first step of partnership. Phoenix members will indeed attend CES to meet the Genesi team and of course will help staff the booth. Phoenix members have already formed distribution & reseller corporations, and with Genesi are in the process of building a web infrastructure that will unite the various Genesi corporate entities with the development and user communities. To soliloquize: it's thrilling to see people with our same Amiga origins take on the daunting task of attending one of the hugest trade shows in the world with the intention of presenting a professional quality appearance - and with an attitude that shows commitment to building prosperity for a new platform. I've seen some real drive and dedication and energy from all the Genesi people and affiliated developers, to build and market current and upcoming products while developing markets. In this battered and frayed community this effort to Get Things Done speaks volumes. Perhaps it is possible after all, to define a path that leads *from* Amiga compatibility *to* well-received infotech and embedded devices and services.

And indeed, it feels great to be acknowledged and accepted! For we in Phoenix the path through the past few years has been circuitous. But at last we can join a desktop-and-beyond effort with good faith partners who attend shows, spend money on marketing and development, and seem to have some paths defined for the future. This makes the transition so much easier for Amiga enthusiasts, and developers who can't afford to put all their eggs in just that basket.


<-- greenboy ---<<<<     chairman-director, Phoenix Developer Consortium
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 1 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 30-Dec-2002 01:37 GMT
I'm not sure if I should take this as an interesting surprise, but it is. (Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention? :}) - Congratulations to all involved, and let's hope this heralds an era of cooperation and professionalism on all fronts.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 2 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 30-Dec-2002 02:17 GMT
Indeed great! =)

Congratulations and all the best for the future :-)
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 3 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by OpSon on 30-Dec-2002 02:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
Phoenix would have more legitimacy supporting Hyperium or AROS at some later date (or to continue with their support of QNX--for what it is worth), but instead they have simply given into premature populism. Let MorphOs impress users with its own merits, and don't butress the illusion of a cardboard community (plastered with slogans, of course). At this point in time it simply seems uniformed…but praise be to the elitism of the community.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 4 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by OpSon on 30-Dec-2002 02:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (OpSon):
That is uninformed and not "uniformed"--but then again they have a soccer team.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 5 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 30-Dec-2002 03:04 GMT
Great to see Genesi taking more steps to
support their users and future users.
I have personally been looking forward to
the AmigaOne/OS4 solution but am starting
to give MorphOS a look since Amiga Inc.
have been too quiet of late and not really
becoming involved or active with the users...
Once both solutions are out there the actions
that the "parent" companies take are going to
be important to the users so I think this
is great that Genesi are making attempts
to make their platform "legitimate" by going
to CES and inviting developers etc...
I am hoping to hear some sort of status report
from Amiga Inc. on what they have been doing
since I still have hope for OS4 too, but
it looks like Hyperion are the only ones
seriously involved in making this happen.
Anyway Amiga needs to be more proffesional in
regards to there desktop computer business and
quit screwing around with palm tops in my
opinion...
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 6 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2002 04:18 GMT
The MOL guys are said to be at genesi stand, too - is this actually true?
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 7 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 30-Dec-2002 04:22 GMT
Great news! This is really starting to give me a good feeling about Amiga Community showing signs of life once again. Something that I haven't felt in three or so years.

Best wishes to the PHX gang and to Genesi. =)

Dammy
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 8 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 30-Dec-2002 06:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (OpSon):
OpSon wrote:
>Phoenix would have more legitimacy supporting Hyperium or AROS at some later date (or to continue with their support of QNX--for what it is worth), but instead they have simply given into premature populism.

Premature populism implies that Phoenix is simply jumping on a bandwagon and working with Genesi because, in some people's eyes, "it's the thing to do." In fact momentum does have something to do with the decision, as it should in any business activity. But also, making an assessment based on what is known about these different projects, now, I think you'd agree that AROS is still a long way from being useful for actual applications, and Hyperion is a long way from anything beyond a PPC port of, what is it, AOS3.1? Not to mention that Hyperion's agreements with Amiga, Inc. preclude the kind of activities that Phoenix members are shooting for. In short, Genesi seems to have the goods, and Phoenix has ideas that fit well with what's coming from Genesi. Of course it's still preliminary, but there are things happening now that justify Phoenix's interest.

-- gary_c
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 9 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 30-Dec-2002 06:48 GMT
One other thing: It should also be clarified that Genesi's technology isn't the *only* thing the Phoenix Developer Consortium members are interested in or have done work involving. Phoenix is an umbrella organization that offers the support it can to its members; it doesn't *determine* what it's members do. Hopefully, as a group of diverse individuals, there will continue to be projects in different directions.

-- gary_c
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 10 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2002 08:08 GMT
"Phoenix members have already formed distribution & reseller corporations, and with Genesi are in the process of building a web infrastructure that will unite the various Genesi corporate entities with the development and user communities."
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 11 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Ants on 30-Dec-2002 09:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (OpSon):
> Phoenix would have more legitimacy supporting Hyperium or or AROS at some later date

We tried working with Amiga Inc for several years but that didn't work, and as Hyperion
are under contract to Amiga, we currently can't work with them either.
AROS is an open-source OS, and can be nothing more, according to Amiga Inc, so
that doesn't leave us with many financial opportunities. Members are welcome to support AROS,
but no commercial projects are planned by Phoenix.

> (or to continue with their support of QNX--for what it is worth),

Who said we are dropping QNX support? We still have plans concerning the QNX OS, and some open-source work, that
we hope can become standard on both systems (and maybe AROS).

> but instead they have simply given into premature populism.

Premature populism? Morphos was involved in Phoenix way before Amiga Inc appeared on the scene, and was allowed into Phoenix. I first evaluated Morphos a couple of years ago, when the first Public Beta was released!
We've been watching Morphos the whole time, and Thendic (now Genesi), and have always been very impressed with what we've seen. They have always been very professional business-wise, and have created a solid
product, and have provided, exactly what they said they would 3 years ago. Timelines have slipped a bit in places, but that's
hardly unusual with such a product.
Thendic have really impressed us with their marketing ability, and business sense- man, they held a Betatester release at a Demo Party,
and intended to have 50 Pegasos machines at ARC (even if they could only fit 30 in at the end)- now that's the sort of people we want to work with!

> Let MorphOs impress users with its own merits, and don't butress the illusion of a cardboard community (plastered with slogans, of course).

How do you think communities are built, by people sitting on their thumbs? What's left of this tragic community needs all the help in can get, unless you want to go over to Windows or Linux, which is where we're all headed, if people don't get behind the upcoming communities!
I think you forget how the original Amiga community formed, by enthuisiasm over a cool machine. That grew into one hell of a community, but not by people going, I'll wait and see, but by people jumping in with both
feet, and going for it, like I did, when I bought my A500 in 1991!

> At this point in time it simply seems uniformed…but praise be to the elitism of the community.

LOL, what community, there's bugger all left! We're passionate about creating a new one, and get back to where we once were, man it feels like 1989 all over
again for me- Yowsa!

-Ants
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 12 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 30-Dec-2002 10:11 GMT
I checked out your website and found it to be very impressive, well-crafted and in a spirit of alternative computing that I much agree with. I am glad that you guys have seen fit to add the Pegasos and MorphOS to your push for a better future. Together we will be stronger yet. See you in Las Vegas!
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 13 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Petr Krenzelok on 30-Dec-2002 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ants):
Hi,

I wonder if there is still any activity around Phoenix? I am on general ml and it is quite quiet for maybe one year already? I know there were NDAed projects like PhDesk ongoing, but never seen any results etc. So I wonder - what is nowadays Phoenix all about? What projects are alive and well?

phinixi.com site is not much informative and I thought that whole Phoenix initiative died similar death as KOSH did ...

Thanks,
-pekr-
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 14 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 30-Dec-2002 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Is there an echo in here?

Hopefully this turns out to be good news for the Phoenix Consortium as whatever anyone says Genesi are doing a far far far better job of being involved with the Amiga community on all fronts. This unifying involvement in desktop and PDA markets is so much more positive than looking as if they are solely focused on the PDA market and outsourcing entirely (no offence to Hyperion) their greatest asset.

If they at least looked like they were helping in the construction of OS4 it would help their image greatly. AInc. seem less than able at positive PR.

I sometimes wonder why Amino purchased Amiga in the first place. Was it really just for the name and a handful of developers?

What a terrible waste.

It's always darkest before the dawn...


---
Sam
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 15 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 30-Dec-2002 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Sam Smith):
And before anyone starts, my previous message is not intended to start a flame war. Everyone's been really good on Ann for the last few days and I would hate to see things degenerate again.

For the record I have always been a purchaser of OS4 and I see myself as relatively non-fanatical. I am just trying to reflect the feelings of the 'average' user.

---
Sam
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 16 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by MonkeyOS on 30-Dec-2002 11:43 GMT
What a joke. Oh, maybe another worthless group like Team Amiga jump on the MOS bandwagon. Wake me up when there's real news.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 17 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 30-Dec-2002 11:48 GMT
What is it exactly that the "Phoenix Developer Consortium" does?
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 18 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by MonkeyOS on 30-Dec-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (darklite):
1 or 2 people blowing hot air up each others ass.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 19 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 30-Dec-2002 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (MonkeyOS):
Like Amiga Inc? :)
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 20 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 30-Dec-2002 12:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (darklite):
This is actually an interesting question. I remember them as being a well-intentioned group of people that wanted to unite developers to produce great software.

But it would be great to hear about what products they have seen through to commercial release over the years.

---
Sam
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 21 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2002 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
"Like Amiga Inc? :)"

No no no , he means like gensi ;)

You on the other hand kiss ass!
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 22 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 30-Dec-2002 12:52 GMT
Who are the members of Phoenix and what products have they released (or plan to release in near future)?
I do offcourse remember the previous announcements regarding Phoenix but I can't seem to remember who was involved (exept from Grenboy).
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 23 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 30-Dec-2002 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Yes.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 24 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 30-Dec-2002 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (David Scheibler):
So basically Genesis will show MacOS running on top of Linux on PegasOSes?
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 25 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 30-Dec-2002 13:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Hello,

Genesi have already saifdthat Pegasos with MorphOS will be featured.
And I think they'll more show MorphOS than Linux or MacOnLinux, but of
course they'll also show Linux and it looks like they'll show also
MacOnLinux.
Also of course they'll talk about the other projects like the
Eclipsis.

In a nutshell, all the Pegasos related stuffs :)

Regards
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 26 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 30-Dec-2002 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Sure, besides MorphOS, their PDA software, the new Pegasos homeserver and their
MorphOS software for comcams/eyecams. Don't know what else will be shown.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 27 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 30-Dec-2002 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (David Scheibler):
According the original annoucement... http://www.morphos-news.de

" The Pega-shush, a home server/entertainment version of the Pegasos will be shown running locally using 802.11b and the eclipsis video telephone software will be demonstrated on a handheld"

802.11b is wireless ethernet (aka Wavelan).. It's interesting and useful technology. And I really hope they do have support for it ready for demo.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 28 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 30-Dec-2002 15:24 GMT
Yada, yada, yada.

If you make it, they will.....

So far, Amiga (or its licensees) haven't really made it for the desktop world.
Will Pegasos make it, or will they do the same???


Time, my friends, is running out. Put up, get out, or clam up.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 29 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 30-Dec-2002 15:30 GMT
Yes : }  Of course MorphOS and Pegasos people will be there. They are the development backbone of Genesi. They will be the key personnel manning the booth making sure the rest of us who might need it, get a clue ; }  We can only hope that the example of hard work and perseverance of the Genesi affiliate companies will inspire others to join Phoenix and get involved with entrepreneurship and development that will further the hardware and software programs.

Phoenix members also continue to work on QNX and Open Source related projects. And we do support the AROS initiative and some members do threaten to participate ; }  But those efforts that become parts of groups or companies' products will not be credited to the Phoenix Developer Consortium - because it is not in itself a company, but is instead a consortium of individuals and companies with some common interests and goals, a way to communicate and make contacts.

I am restarting the Phoenix general mail list with the hope that it will encourage developers of all classifications to participate, and those who can to also send NDAs in (just request one from greenboy@bigsky.net) so that the NDA people feel they can discuss and plan with like-minded people. This
step is not taken to hide things behind a wall of NDAs. Indeed, members of NDA status are free to pursue their own goals, keep their own rights or administer them as they see fit, and negotiate licensing of their own IP. The multilateral NDA is simply a mechanism to allow a higher degree of trust and confidentiality between members.

A recap of history: the partnership with Amiga Inc just never worked out; there was little basis for commonality. No blame intended; I feel we can chalk it up to the times and circumstances. But. Hopefully with
Genesi there will be actual opportunities, cooperative ventures, and a more open developer program. What I have seen so far is very encouraging and the ideals and goals are not only complimentary, but in good faith
actual sharing is already taking place. With Genesi companies there is a two-way flow of developer information and planning. It seems that cooperation is encouraged because help and support from others is desired and not considered a threat. This allows the potential of their current and future platforms to perhaps be realized in longevity and a growing market, and gives Phoenix members some focus and meaningful participation.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 30 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 30-Dec-2002 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Petr Krenzelok):
Petr Krenzelok wrote:

> I wonder if there is still any activity around Phoenix?

The tech investment bust hit Phoenix like a lot of other projects. There has been fairly steady activity at a low level for some time. Almost all of the communication that's go on has been on the NDA list, because of the nature of the projects. Then when we switched web/mail servers a while back, the general (non-NDA) list wasn't started up again right away. It was just restarted, so if you're on that list, you should be getting messages again. Contact greenboy if not.

-- gary_c
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 31 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 30-Dec-2002 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (MonkeyOS):
MonkeyOS wrote:

> What a joke. Oh, maybe another worthless group like Team Amiga jump on the MOS bandwagon. Wake me up when there's real news.

No, please, enjoy your sleep. This doesn't affect you anyway if you're not involved in software or hardware development. :-)

-- gary_c
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 32 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Sandos on 30-Dec-2002 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (David Scheibler):
What is so special about their homeserver?

AFAIK it is just a generic pegasos mainboard put in a pretty case. Just like their microwave.

Or do you mean it is really "new", as you said?
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 33 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 30-Dec-2002 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Sandos):
Well.. it's less than 2 weeks from now..
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 34 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by OpSon on 30-Dec-2002 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (gary_c):
>Premature populism implies that Phoenix is simply jumping on a bandwagon and
>working with Genesi because, in some people's eyes, "it's the thing to do." In fact
>momentum does have something to do with the decision, as it should in any business
>activity. But also, making an assessment based on what is known about these different >projects, now, I think you'd agree that AROS is still a long way from being useful for
>actual applications, and Hyperion is a long way from anything beyond a PPC port of,
>what is it, AOS3.1?

Momentum: everybody knows MorphOs is going to fall flat on its face. It certainly hasn’t proven itself, nor does it have a claim to any relevancy within the computing world. At the best it will be used by a small portion of ex-Amiga users. People like it because it is elite, and because they are angry at Amiga Inc. for not pushing their own OS enough.

Your comments on Amiga 4.0 are categorically false. What you said could apply to the emulation layer of MorphOs, but not to the new features that OS 4.0 offers over 3.9. Obviously they both are new operating systems—only OS 4.0 offers a better chance of success on many levels, and frankly I’m impressed with their game plan.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 35 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 30-Dec-2002 19:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (OpSon):
They do not apply to either OS4 or MorphOS. Both solution add A LOT
of new features to the API, *NEEDED* to modernise your software and
do things easier. Thing needed for a long time.
MorphOS hasn't prooved itself on you and other people but it certainly did
in others. There are stuff planned for it you just don't know yet (I know
some of them, not all). What will CERTAINLY improve both products is
competition.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 36 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Bill on 30-Dec-2002 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Troels E):
They have released lots of NDAs and grand stetements. They are quite good at this as they have been doing it for years.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 37 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 30-Dec-2002 22:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Bill):
Are these the same people that wanted Amiga Inc to give away the rights to the Amiga OS and Kickstart ROMs for free so they could become Open Source. Wasn't this the reason why they couldn't work with Amiga Inc?

I may have them confused with someone else as so many others have "demanded" this...
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 38 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Casey R Williams on 30-Dec-2002 22:47 GMT
Unlike even the mighty M$, Genesi seem to be pretty focused. It looks like they envision a desktop/PDA home/mobile comprehensive solution. This is something like the way Amiga OS and AmigaDe should have worked together only without the VP and sandbox crap. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of TAOS since 1995, but whatever Amiga were pitching seems no closer with regard to a useful total solution. I'm not sure i want the total Pegasos package yet (Smart cards?!) but I think they're off to an excellent start.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 39 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by david on 30-Dec-2002 22:59 GMT
I heard Genesis has a PDA called the Eclipsis, which they think will be a powerful game machine so I asked them to port Konami's "Solar Assault" on it but the company never replied. v_-
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 40 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 30-Dec-2002 23:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (david):
AFAIK, it (the Eclipsis) will be a PDA sized computer but it will be much more than "only" a PDA.

If you are interested in the Eclipsis you can follow the link below and then click on the round "1" button to the right:
http://www.thendic-france.com/eclipsis_us/eclipsis.htm
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 41 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 30-Dec-2002 23:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (david):
I honestly don't think it's Genesi's interest to start making game ports to this machine, there are other companies who have more experience of those. Let them make hardware and operating system... I'm quite sure there will be plenty of gamemakers/porters if system is really great.

Besides... If I have understood right it'll be allmost 100% (well? I can't promice a thing for them) compatible with Pegasos so making port should not be too difficult for any team with experience of AmigaOs/MOS .
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 42 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Ants on 31-Dec-2002 00:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Troels E):
> Who are the members of Phoenix and what products have they released (or plan to release in near future)?

Yes, good question :) I've written a good overview, of our INDI project, which was going to go on our website, but Xmas, and our recent involvement with Genesi got in the way :/ It may need a cut-down, before it goes out, I'm just sorting it out now. You may see it tommorrow, but if not it will be in the next couple of days, as I'm away for New Years.

Very quickly; INDI is a hardware and software system, that allows for simple to manage computer systems, so that computers become more powerful and useful, while becoming more transparent in everyday life. It's powered by a next-gen Datatypes and Interprocess Communication system.

We've been talking about it and designing it on and off for 3 years, so it's got to quite a mature state. Currently it exists as a Whitepaper, with a little API definition.

Cya -Ants
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 43 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 31-Dec-2002 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Darrin):
No, that was another organization, of which Fleecy was a member.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 44 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 31-Dec-2002 02:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Darrin):
You're referring to one of two possible projects here:

Industry Councel on the Open Amiga -- from this gorup sprang several projects such as Phoenix and Amino (now Amiga, Inc.)

OpenAmiga -- late-comer that tried to convince Gateway and then Amiga, Inc to GPL the AmigaOS

Neither one got anywhere.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 45 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 31-Dec-2002 03:13 GMT
Wow before you know it KOSH, iWin and Antigrivity will be pledging support.

whippie
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 46 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by darth X on 31-Dec-2002 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
Greetings "Anonymous (68.155.67.32) on 31-Dec-2002 04:13:02"

KOSH: http://www.kosh.net/

A quote from Fleecy regarding KOSH from the past: (seen here: http://www.seal-amiga.co.uk/news/interviews/fleecyinterview.html )

"KOSH is an attempt to build a commercially sustainable platform that is owned by the Kommunity, the ppl who use it, develop for it, sell for it and report on it. It has 3 parts. Kosh - the Kommunity, kOSh - the OS and kosH - the hardware templates. It started up after AInc let me go, caused by the many thousands of mails I received in which developers, users, retailers and journalists vented - it became clear that many of them had just had enough of this boom/bust, bust, bust cycle of the Amiga. Now they want to build their own platform - not to own it, just to have a foundation on which to earn a living, build a community. Someone christened it the Insanity project which I kind of like because it is insane really. But you know what, there is just enough talent and frustration with computing in general at the moment, that we might pull it off.

Ppl have said why are you doing Linux all over again. That misses the point. Linux is a last generation OS that is free with no central focus, and it is hard to make money in it due to the GPL. Don't get me wrong, I like Linux a lot, but I want a real next generation, innovative OS which runs on the best HW or the cheapest HW, whatever suits my pocket at the time. Something that moulds around me as a user, that becomes my doorway into a virtual universe, that allows me to do almost anything as a developer - that gets out of my way and lets me have fun. But which also wants my opinions, that asks for my help, that calls me friend and lets me meet other friends.

Could turn out to be nothing but it could turn out to be everything. That is why I am going to put so much effort into it over the next 6-12 months. If any of your readers want to get involved, please do. The Kommunity wants as many ppl as possible to come, have a look around, see if they like what they see."


iWin:

That was one of the coolest publicity stunts I have ever see regarding Amiga. Now if the Amiga-on-a-PCI-card had ever materialized, then iWin products could have actually become a reality.


Antigrivity: What happened here?

I don't understand what AmigaINC actually did with their venture capital money or why they allowed the Amiga-like motherboard fall into the hands of a company without the resources to actually develop and produce it when they should have aquired this and went ahead producing it themselves to the thousands of hungry Amiga users wanting a new system.

While a generic POP PPC motherboard like the Teron from MAI might be a good idea, Terrasoft are using the SAME motherboard in their incredibly ironic named "BOXER" PPC systems at a lower cost than the AmigaONE systems. Oh Well..

While some remaing amiga users might not mind paying a little more for Amiga brand name, I wonder how to attract people coming from the Pc & Linux market to the Amiga. What value does the Amiga brand name bring to the Teron POP PPC motherboard?

*shrugs*

What if AmigaINC aquired the boxer technology from Mick Tinker and *LICENSED* the technology to MAI.. who knows how much better product the Teron board could have been? More Amiga-like?

And then Terrasoft's boxer system would be.. hehe.. more boxer like, wouldn't it? http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/boxer/
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 47 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 31-Dec-2002 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (darth X):
Hmm. Some interesting points there!
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 48 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 31-Dec-2002 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (darth X):
Pity Mai has no interest in the Amiga beyond being able to sell their already designed chipset.

Which is fine with Amiga, Inc, as they have no interest in the Amiga beyond using hte name as a rallying point to capture developers and customers for Microsoft.
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 49 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Alkemyst on 31-Dec-2002 18:50 GMT
/me looks at the topic but yet some ppl are talking about Amiga.inc & Aone
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi : Comment 50 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Jan-2003 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Alkemyst):
Well... We see more after Ces has been.. It's quite impossible to make any deeper discussion of this before they have shown those new products to public.
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