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The much rumbling about amigax86 has been disclosed... "Amigax86 is the name of a product that combined product known as Umilator (formerly known as "Amithlon") emulation with the Amiga Operating System (v3.9). This was to be a standalone product release by Extreme Computing that combined all available programming done by Bernt Meyer, with license from Amiga Inc., and several other software developers to give you the following on a single CD product:

Umilator Emulation Layer
Amiga OS3.9

*Improved Graphics Drivers
*Improved Sound Drivers
*Improved Ethernet & Modem Drivers
*AmigaDVD player

and the list goes on...
ImageFX (Full version 3.x)


Several high end games

A plethora of Amiga Utilities (both AmigaOS & x86-enhanced)

More x86 enhancements for full functionality of notebooks & other space saving technology. (We were so close!)"

Unfortunatly..
The reason for not continuing with this product is mainly due to the recent announcement by Bernt Meyers to "retire" the product. As we have spent much time, effort, and many thousands of dollars to get this project out by the holiday season 2002, we are simply unable to release the product at this time. We are still very committed to this project, but have other commitments and priorities to tend to.

The Amigax86 project is "shelved" until further notice.

Amithlon is still available under the AmigaOS XL package, and still very functional on Desktop computers. Notebooks, and other space saving technology will either have to wait until we have more demand to create a new AmigaX86 code from scratch, or until Amiga OS 5 & AmigaDE is ready.

Extreme Computing is currently developing other software products for future developments of the Amiga OS/DE. Please go to our web sites for further details. http://www.extreme-computing.com/ http://www.extremeamiga.com/
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 02-Jan-2003 20:48 GMT
A sad story that is ...
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Posted by T_Bone on 02-Jan-2003 20:57 GMT
AAAAAARRRRGGGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rub some damnned rocksalt in our wounds why dont you!!!!!!
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Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 02-Jan-2003 21:01 GMT
Would it be too much asked for, if someone could make drivers for 10/100mb and 100mb networkcards for Amithlon. Its a real bitch to find a suitable working one these days. Otherwise Amithlon1 still is a great product.. too bad I have to spent the money meant for A2 for something as good.. beer maybe
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Posted by smithy on 02-Jan-2003 21:43 GMT
"Bernt Meyer"?
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 03-Jan-2003 00:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (smithy):
"Bernt" is one of the more common misspellings. I already go by "Bernie" because very few people in Oz can pronounce "Bernd" at all.

Of course, sometimes people even get that wrong. I've had "Burnie" a lot, and "Bearny" once....
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Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jan-2003 00:26 GMT
Boring...why didn't they contact Harald Frank for Amithlon?!
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Posted by T_Bone on 03-Jan-2003 00:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Bernd Meyer):
A popular sondclip in linux distributions is linus torvalds pronouncing his name, it would be cool if you'd include a soundclip of you pronouncing "Bernd" and place it on the Umilator CD. (Well, you know, if things didn't suck like they do) :( (sigh)
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Posted by T_Bone on 03-Jan-2003 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
> re:why didn't they contact harald?

Didn't you read this?

"we were approached early on by Harald Frank in the spirit of cooperation to advance AmiThlon, Harald never delivered anything"
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 03-Jan-2003 01:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Bernd Meyer):
I am still sorry for your misfortune there Bernd.
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Posted by wilhelm on 03-Jan-2003 01:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Bernd Meyer):
"Burnt" Meyer would be more like it. Damn it all, I want my Umilator. This has just become nothing more than the "Humilator" for all concerned. :>{
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Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 03-Jan-2003 03:24 GMT
The same who makes the drivers.. Bernd, Bernt, Bendover, Bernard, Bernhard, Bentley .. I need those .. pleeeeeease
As a late christmas present? ;-)
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Posted by anonymous on 03-Jan-2003 05:27 GMT
Sad, but one really has to question whether a native x86 version of OS4 designed for a limited subset of available hardware would be a more prudent move. Hyperion has indicated that they aren't thrill with the idea of doing this themselves, but they haven't dismissed the notion entirely - particularly if it were to be undertaken by a third party.

Emulation is nice, but native would kick proverbial arse.
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Posted by x on 03-Jan-2003 06:34 GMT
Stop reminding us about the cool things we could have had! :(
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Posted by Senex on 03-Jan-2003 06:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (anonymous):
> whether a native x86 version of OS4 designed for a limited
> subset of available hardware would be a more prudent move.
> Hyperion has indicated that they aren't thrill with the idea

Why not? Just add a dongle-ROM and you avoid any support for other
x86-computers as you do for other PPC-computers. :-)
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Posted by Trizt on 03-Jan-2003 10:09 GMT
> The Amigax86 project is "shelved" until further notice.

That was good news, which hopefully makes more people to invest in the new generation of machines like the Pegasos and the Mai (AmigaOne).
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Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 03-Jan-2003 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Senex):
What a qualified comment. It's always amazing to see intelligent statements like this.

As has been posted numerous times, Hyperion does not have a licence for AmigaOS on x86, so even in the (highly unlikely) case that we wanted to do this, we wouldn't be holding the required licence for this.
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Posted by darklite on 03-Jan-2003 10:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Trizt):
>> The Amigax86 project is "shelved" until further notice.
>
>That was good news, which hopefully makes more people to invest in the new
>generation of machines like the Pegasos and the Mai (AmigaOne).

Yes, new as in "previous".

Anyway... I'm still not 100% sure about what the reason was for "shelving" Umilator? Was it because Harald Frank claimed Bernie couldn't sell Umilator because he (HF) is the (self-proclaimed) founder of the project?
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 03-Jan-2003 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Trizt):
> That was good news, which hopefully makes more people to invest in the
> new generation of machines like the Pegasos and the Mai (AmigaOne).

It's unlikely to affect the sales of AOne or Pegasos at all. Those people willing to invest in those systems would probably have done so anyway, while those who don't think much of them are more likely to switch operating systems than they are to switch hardware platforms.

Anyway, it's all old news.
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Posted by Hagge on 03-Jan-2003 11:32 GMT
Blah, to bad every single company who has anything to do with the ownage of amiga in some way always screw it up and kills it some more (but soon that will be impossible to do so let's hope for a change).

Why not let the people who actually knows what we want and which actually gets a product out (or well, which could get a product out if noone tried to stop it) have an easier time and just let them be, can't ruin anyones bussiness since there aren't any since noone delivers anyway, can it?
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Posted by x on 03-Jan-2003 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Hagge):
@Hagge:

>Blah, to bad every single company who has anything to do with the ownage of >amiga in some way always screw it up and kills it some more (but soon that >will be impossible to do so let's hope for a change).

It's the "curse of the Amiga"... :)

Come to think of it, it reminds me of the "tragedy of the commons" theory
in international relations: individuals make 'rational' decisions, but collectively these decisions are 'irrational'...

>Why not let the people who actually knows what we want and which actually gets >a product out (or well, which could get a product out if noone tried to stop >it) have an easier time and just let them be, can't ruin anyones bussiness >since there aren't any since noone delivers anyway, can it?

Yes, please relase Amiga x86 :)
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Posted by z5 on 03-Jan-2003 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (darklite):
well, i don't see it either (mind you, i haven't followed it that closely).

So Bernd Meyer and Harald Frank work on Amithlon (which i bought). Suddenly, they don't want to work together anymore. Ok, fair enough.

Isn't it true that Harald Frank's work wasn't that big on Amithlon (or so i've read somewhere)?

So? You rename your product (that is allowed isn't it?) and you replace the code that Harald wrote?

What am i missing (not that is that important anymore as it is dead but this was something i have never understood).
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Posted by dammy on 03-Jan-2003 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (z5):
I think your missing is the months long threats of law suits and other legal harasment of Bernd, retailers, and associated coders (like P96) from the Dark Side.

The only hope there is, other someone buying out Amiga Inc and taking these SOBs to court, is to boycott retailers that have continued to restock Amithlon and H&P products. Then inform those retailers why they just lost yet another sale. Once they understand that selling Amithlon is no longer profitable but a drain on their sales, they will honor Bernd's authority to stop it's sales with his IP.

Either we as a community punish those who steal IP, or we have no coders left.

Dammy
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Posted by z5 on 03-Jan-2003 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (dammy):
>I think your missing is the months long threats of law suits and other legal harasment of Bernd, retailers, and associated coders (like P96) from the Dark Side.

But that's just it. Why harasment if you rename your product and rewrite everything that is not yours?
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Posted by dammy on 03-Jan-2003 17:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (z5):
Why? Because they know their sales (read profits) will go into the gutter when Unilator goes on sale. They are protecting their income, therefore they have to do whatever possible to scare off retailers, associated coders (like P96) by threats of law suits. These are NOT nice people. They are not concerned about the Community. They are concerned about their own bottom line and nothing else.

Only by directly attacking their bottom line will they ever allow Unilator to be released. The only legal way of doing that is by boycotting their customers, the distributers and retailers who buy from H&P. Either the retailers stand with the community in protecting our few remaining coders, or they go out of business themselves...

Dammy
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Posted by z5 on 03-Jan-2003 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (dammy):
hmm..dammy, i still don't get it.

If Umilator is a product with code from Bernd alone, what the fuck have other companies have to say about him releasing this. That's called competition.

oh well...
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Posted by dnews on 03-Jan-2003 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (dammy):
Can anyone point me to a site with a published list of all retailers that are
continuing to stock and sell products with Bernie's intellectual property?
Or, alternatively, a site with a list of retailers who have ceased stocking
and selling the products? I want to show my support for him by doing business
with the more honorable companies.

Thanks, Dan
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Posted by Senex on 03-Jan-2003 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Please, Hans-Joerg, why do you react that annoyed? Didn't you see the smiley? I've been just joking. Hey, as you know I'm a MorphOS-User, so certainly at least regarding x86 you and I do agree. (Although I'm sad about the end of Amithlon as well.)
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Posted by marktime on 03-Jan-2003 19:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (z5):
EXACTLY, ****IF**** it was his alone.

Obviously Bernd never delivered a non-H&P version and gave up.
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Posted by dammy on 03-Jan-2003 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (z5):
I guess the best way described what has happened, AFAIK, is that Harold and H&P are using standard M$ tatics in stopping any compentition against their product. They have succeeded in intemidating, via threats of law suits, retailers and associated coders (like P96) not to work with or resell Unilator. It's Harold and H&P's way of making sure a competing product is never released.

Dammy
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Posted by dammy on 03-Jan-2003 20:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (marktime):
Which is why most of us are crying foul over the termination of Unilator. The only three people who didn't want it released was Harold and H&P. Everything I have heard from the Alpha testers was all positive on the second generation of Amithlon, which Bernie, err, Berndt calls Unilator (or was it Umilator, can can remember).

Yes, the Amiga Community gets shafted so the likes of Harold and H&P can still make a fast buck off os someone else's work. The only answer is to boycott those retailers who handle Amithlon and or any H&P products.

Dammy
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Posted by darklite on 03-Jan-2003 20:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (dammy):
>I guess the best way described what has happened, AFAIK, is that Harold and H&P
>are using standard M$ tatics in stopping any compentition against their product.
>They have succeeded in intemidating, via threats of law suits, retailers and
>associated coders (like P96) not to work with or resell Unilator. It's Harold and
>H&P's way of making sure a competing product is never released.

I thought Bernie was going to sell Umilator not via stores, but online.

If you want to boycott whoever still sells Amithlon, I think you should also boycott the P96 team, for not helping Bernie out with a licence.
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Posted by catohagen on 03-Jan-2003 21:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (z5):
>hmm..dammy, i still don't get it.

>If Umilator is a product with code from Bernd alone, what the fuck have other
>companies have to say about him releasing this. That's called competition.

I dont get it either.....is it the legal threats that stops Umilator ?
just the threats ? and maybe going to some court even if you know you win ?
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Posted by 3seas on 04-Jan-2003 03:03 GMT
...... sad...... just think...... we could have had flying cars too....
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Posted by dammy on 04-Jan-2003 06:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (darklite):
No, I would say P96 crew is as much as a victum as Bernie, Amiga Inc, ExtremeComputers and a host of others which stood to have financial gain by Unilator selling. P96 probably had it almost as bad as Bernd has with legal threats being tossed at them. I sure would love to hear their side of this sad story.

Dammy
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 04-Jan-2003 06:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (darklite):
> If you want to boycott whoever still sells Amithlon, I think you
> should also boycott the P96 team, for not helping Bernie out with a licence

No, please don't!

The P96 team are as much victims in all this as anybody else. They were perfectly happy to give me a license --- until someone called and mailed them along the lines of "We Will Sue Your Arses Off If You Give A Licence To Bernie!".
I find it very understandable that this threat made the hesitate. This is just a matter of self-preservation... Being sued is expensive, and annoying, even if you win in the end.
The P96 team, in fact, did more than realy could be hoped for. They had their lawyers check all the threats (several times), and in the end came through, despite the risk of having to defend themselves.

Let's not get carried away by emotion here, OK? I freely admit that I have cursed the P96 team a few times during '02 --- but those were heat-of-the-moment reactions. Looking at things objectively, there is nothing whatsoever to blame them for. Instead, they suffered a tremendous amount of stress and harrassment for no good reason and no money earned whatsoever. Please feel sympathy for them, rather than anger. The anger is better directed at those who made the threats....
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Posted by darklite on 04-Jan-2003 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Bernd Meyer):
>The P96 team are as much victims in all this as anybody else. They were
>perfectly happy to give me a license --- until someone called and mailed them
>along the lines of "We Will Sue Your Arses Off If You Give A Licence To >Bernie!".

That doesn't make sense. Isn't the P96 team allowed to sell a licence to whoever they want? What does H&P as a licencee have to say about this?

>I find it very understandable that this threat made the hesitate. This is just
>a matter of self-preservation... Being sued is expensive, and annoying, even if
>you win in the end.

I can understand that.
Which reminds me of how AInc was going to send their "lawyers" to quickly fix things.

>The P96 team, in fact, did more than realy could be hoped for. They had their
>lawyers check all the threats (several times), and in the end came through,
>despite the risk of having to defend themselves.

Do they really have lawyers? I thought they were bedroom coders.

>Let's not get carried away by emotion here, OK? I freely admit that I have
>cursed the P96 team a few times during '02 --- but those were
>heat-of-the-moment reactions. Looking at things objectively, there is nothing
>whatsoever to blame them for.

Perhaps they're guilty of being too naive.

>Instead, they suffered a tremendous amount of stress and harrassment for no
>good reason and no money earned whatsoever. Please feel sympathy for them,
>rather than anger. The anger is better directed at those who made the
>threats...

What I find odd here is that H&P & HF can get away with this...

You make it sound like they have no case at all, or do they?
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 04-Jan-2003 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (darklite):
> That doesn't make sense. Isn't the P96 team allowed to sell a licence
> to whoever they want? What does H&P as a licencee have to say about this

It doesn't have to make sense to work. They don't have to have a case for it to work.

Think of the schoolyard bully. Most of the time, he doesn't actually have to beat anyone up --- the threat to do so is enough. And there are lots of bullies out there who, if they ever actually got into a fight, would lose --- but who can still bully because (a) in a fight, even the "winner" loses, and (b) you can never tell for sure whether "your" bully might turn out to be of the wimpy-looking-but-fighting-like-a-berzerker kind.


It has been reported that most bank robbers will simply run away if the bank tellers burst out laughing. Yet --- if you were a teller who is being robbed, would you laugh? If not, why not?
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Posted by darklite on 04-Jan-2003 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Bernd Meyer):
>Think of the schoolyard bully. <snipperdesnip>

So that's it, is it? H&P are untouchable?
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Posted by Gregg on 04-Jan-2003 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (darklite):
To stretch the analogy : they're subject to discipline by the schoolmaster, of course.

Only he's locked himself in his office, taken the 'phone off the hook, and is busy drawing colourful charts of next year's timetables...

Gregg
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Posted by John on 04-Jan-2003 14:49 GMT
How is it that people can complain about H&P in these threads and still trash MOS as an alternative?

I can't stand the thought of supporting H&P through the AOS project. Any money put into their pockets will just be used to trash other good coders such as Bernie.

AI is letting one of their contractors behave like this? Can't they find ANYONE else to work with? They are average coders at best.

They even let H&P get away with doing it to them! Why isn't this Amiga Inc's worst possible PR nightmare? i.e. driving sales away?

John
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Posted by dammy on 04-Jan-2003 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Gregg):
The only way for the bullies can be stopped, is by the class (Community) banding together and tells the bullies they are not going to take it anymore (ie boycott). The best possible way is work on the bullies friends and supporters (ie retailers). Give them a grace period of x amount of days before boycotting their business goes into effect. Only when Harold/H&P feels this economic backlash against their wrong doing will they ever allow Unilator to be released.

Dammy
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 04-Jan-2003 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (John):
????????
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Posted by Acill on 04-Jan-2003 18:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Bernd Meyer):
Its a damn shame too. I wanted that so bad. I sure wish it would come back into development!!!!!
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Posted by priest on 04-Jan-2003 21:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (John):
Heh, John is totally lost. ;)
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Posted by hairy on 05-Jan-2003 03:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Trizt):
>> The Amigax86 project is "shelved" until further notice.
>That was good news, which hopefully makes more people to invest in the new >generation of machines like the Pegasos and the Mai (AmigaOne).

Tritz, this is exactly the reason why I will *NOT* buy a PPC motherboard.
I just don't like things like this... uh, and like this if your memory doesn't serve you well:
"- 68K version (distribution not allowed by Hyperion because of Amithlon Warp3D licensing issues)" (http://s.guillard.free.fr/swrender/swrender.htm)

Ciao
Alessandro
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