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Posted on 02-Jan-2003 21:54 GMT by Wrigleys (Edited on 2003-01-03 01:02:01 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä)72 comments
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Our favourite platform has achieved the number 9 spot for the top ten vapourware products of 2002. http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,57023,00.html for details. From the article:

"9. The new Amiga: Earlier this year, fans of the Amiga were in a tizzy about the prospect of a revival of the comatose platform: Both new machines and a new operating system were promised. Suffice it to say, neither are readily available.

"Some retailers and the Amiga website are taking orders for systems, but 'selling' and 'shipping' are two very different things," wrote reader Russ Van Winkle.

Swift Griggs added: "I've heard promises now for three years. Amiga Inc. has delivered nothing but lies and hot air now for three years, just like everyone who has come before them in the post-Commodore Amigan holocaust."
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 51 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 04-Jan-2003 01:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Sure Grandma):
If I understood your logic... AmigaDE(ad) is more Amiga like(and Amiga related)
than MorphOS?
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 52 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 04-Jan-2003 03:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (takemehomegrandma):
Which t-shirt did you get? The "I've got a present for you" one?

If so, drop me a line, I can probably get you one in your size.
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 53 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 04-Jan-2003 07:15 GMT
Well I just talked with "SoftwareHut" and they
have already received AmigaOne motherboards and
have shipped to customers, this is NOT vapourware
under any conditions, the product is here NOW and
shipping. G4 machines will ship end of January
It's just a matter of OS4 now, which could be
considered vapourware but I doubt it, Hyperion
are very skilled and it looks to be on track...
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 54 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 04-Jan-2003 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> If I understood your logic... AmigaDE(ad) is more Amiga like(and Amiga related) than MorphOS?

Oh so now its not Amino anymore but DEad. I would be surprised if you wouldnt let your hate get in the way of your logic for once.
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 55 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jan-2003 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Sure Grandma):
> I have but one simple question. Is MOS, Amiga? Yes or No.

How do you define "Amiga"?

Ability to use it the same way as you allways used Amigas, the same programs, the same feeling, etc? Then it's a "Yes". And it's improved, both in HW and SW.

The brand sticker? Released by "Amiga Inc"? Then it's of course a "No" (but nevertheless "Amiga like").
:-)
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 56 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jan-2003 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Nate Downes):
> Which t-shirt did you get? The "I've got a present for you" one?

Yes, that was the one.

> If so, drop me a line, I can probably get you one in your size.

Nah, it's not important, I don't really care about T-shirts anyway. If I did I would have tried to exchange it allready. I gave it to my girlfriend. But it was very kind of you anyway!
:-)
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 57 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 04-Jan-2003 12:16 GMT
New year.

Old shit.
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 58 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Analnymous on 04-Jan-2003 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (takemehomegrandma):
In Reply to Comment 46:
Q: I have but one simple question. Is Windows XP, Windows 98? Yes or No.

A: How do you define "Windows 98"? Ability to use it the same way as you allways used Windows 98, the same programs, the same feeling, etc? Then it's a "Yes". And it's improved, both in HW and SW. The brand sticker? Then it's of course a "No" (but nevertheless "Windows 98 like").

..So, is MOS an Amiga? Yes or no? ;-)
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 59 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jan-2003 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Analnymous):
:-)

> Q: I have but one simple question. Is Windows XP, Windows 98? Yes or No.

You are trying to make a point by using different version numbers. But that would make as much sence as talking about "AmigaOS1.3 and AmigaOS3.1". If you want to make an analogy to my post, using different versions of Windows (or AmigaOS for that matter) as an example, it would be like this:

Q: Is newer versions of Windows still Windows? Yes or No.

And the answer would be:

A: How do you define "Newer versions of Windows"? Ability to use it the same way as you allways used Windows, the same programs, the same feeling, etc? Then it's a "Yes". And it's improved, both in HW and SW. The brand sticker? Then it's of course still a "Yes".

> ..So, is MOS an Amiga? Yes or no? ;-)

Well that depends on how you define "Amiga". I guess that such definitions is very different from person to person. What's important to *you*? So again:

Is it the ability to use it the same way as you allways used Amigas, the same programs, the same feeling, etc? Then it's a "Yes" (of course without the official name and brand sticker). And it's improved, both in HW and SW.

Is it the brand sticker that makes it an Amiga? Released by "Amiga Inc", etc? Then it's of course a "No" (but nevertheless "Amiga like").
:-)
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 60 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 04-Jan-2003 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (takemehomegrandma):
One thing people seem to forget that these Brand-stickers can be bought on few moments (if really worth $$$), but building working OS needs years of hard Work.
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 61 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jan-2003 13:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (takemehomegrandma):
To clarify:

Is Pegasos+MorphOS an Amiga? No, not officially (of course not), because it's not branded as an Amiga. But *to me*, "Amiga" is about so much more than a brand name on a sticker. Especially since AmigaInc brands a product so totally unrelated to "Amiga" as the AmigaDE is, as Amiga! The brand name "Amiga" has no value to me anymore, but the *platform* has. The *platform*, which offers a possibility to run your Amiga programs and use your computer as the Amiga you are used to and gives you the same joy and feeling when using it. The *platform* still has it's values. And IMO you should look at OS4, MorphOS (and perhaps even AROS) as different OS distributions on that *platform*. And if you call the *platform* "Amiga", then you could, in a way (perhaps not totally correct), call Pegasos+MorphOS "Amiga". It's not "Amiga (TM)", but it's "Amiga Platform". At least to me. So why am I so stubborn in calling it the "Amiga Platform" when the name "Amiga" has no meaning to me anymore? Well, it's not really about the name "Amiga". It's just that all the new OS distributions available (and not yet available) are reimplementations of the same old AmigaOS3.1. They all have some alterations and improvements, but the common factor is the AmigaOS3.1. The user experiance and API set by the AmigaOS3.1 is what unites the different OS distributions. That uniting factor's name is "Amiga" and when one speaks about "Amiga Platform" in general everybody knows what you are talking about, as well as when you go more specific and talk about OS4, MorphOS and AROS as different members on that platform. So it's just a way of simplifying communication. You could talk about the Windows platform (with it's different OS'es), you could talk about the Mac platform (with it's different OS'es), and people know of which platform you are talking about, people know what software you can run and what user experiance you would get. And you can talk about the Amiga Platform, and it's the same thing. People knows what you are talking about.
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 62 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 04-Jan-2003 14:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (takemehomegrandma):
Alright, figured I'd offer. (Hey, at least Genesi sends out their t-shirts)
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 63 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 04-Jan-2003 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
Amiga Inc is next to dead. Face it. (BTW, it was not me that called them Amino).
My logic... let me test your logic first. Does a company that closes
down their offices and telephones and uses a mobile phone as a corporate phone,
makes legal threats to practically everyone in their way but just never fulfill
them and outsourcing EVERYTHING sound like a healthy company? Do you expect the
same company to make a proper product? I don't.
(I'm only talking about Amiga Inc and "their products" here, NOT Hyperion and
OS4.)
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 64 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jan-2003 16:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Nate Downes):
> (Hey, at least Genesi sends out their t-shirts)

Indeed they do. And they deliver more important things as well! :-)
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 65 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Mikael Burman on 04-Jan-2003 16:35 GMT
I find it quite interresting that MOS-users claims that Pegasos+MOS has the "true" spirit of Amiga. Has ANYONE tried AmigaONE+AmigaOS4??? I doubt that AmigaOS4 will be any different to use than AmigaOS3.x that runs on my classic Amiga. And...to be a "true" amiga-user, everyone should sell thier Pegasos, AmigaONE and buy a SharkPPC, because it will be used in conjunction with a classic Amiga. ;)
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 66 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 04-Jan-2003 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Mikael Burman):
> Has ANYONE tried AmigaONE+AmigaOS4???

No such combination is available. When it is, I might try it.

> And...to be a "true" amiga-user, everyone should sell thier Pegasos, AmigaONE
> and buy a SharkPPC, because it will be used in conjunction with a classic
> Amiga. ;)

The Shark looks very interesting. It might even be available one day in one form or another, who knows. But the remaining classic Amigas starts to brake down/die fast now. They are old and tired. The Shark would be *really* interesting if it can be used in a x86 box IMHO.
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 67 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by analnymous on 04-Jan-2003 20:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (JoannaK):
and your point is?

"One thing people seem to forget that these Brand-stickers can be bought on few moments (if really worth $$$), but building your own brand needs years of hard Work."?

"One thing people seem to forget that these Brand-stickers can be bought, but using others brand is far cheaper (if really worth $$$)"?
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 68 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 05-Jan-2003 01:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Mikael Burman):
Kinda hard to, when AmigaOS doesn't even run on the AmigaONE even in internal testing. Last time any update was given or screenshots shown (November or so) all of AmigaoS's components were running on Amiga 4000's and 1200's, and not even bundled together. There is no AmigaOS 4 yet, just a handful of new modules floating around in 30-some-odd systems worldwide that might one day come together as AmigaOS 4.0.
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 69 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2003 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Nathaniel Downes):
It does.
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 70 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 05-Jan-2003 16:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Anonymous):
Not according to the last reports posted on http://os.amiga.com, so unless you've got some magical crystal ball or are breaking an NDA, it doesn't from public display and documentation.
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 71 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 06-Jan-2003 09:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Nate Downes):
Even if that would be your single source of information ....

"Nov 19, 2002 - With the AmigaOne now shipping and AmigaOS4.0 in its final stages of development and testing"
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 : Comment 72 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 06-Jan-2003 10:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (takemehomegrandma):
...and how many MorphOS users are ardant UAE/Amithlon bashers. quite a few are
(and quite a few used to be very vocal about it if you trawl through
net archives)

hmm, really interesting as either solution basically gives you an AmigaOS
emulator

please, can we start seeing QBox apps on MorphOS and ditch the AmigaOS stuff?

alan
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