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Posted on 05-Jan-2003 02:26 GMT by Jack Me (Edited on 2003-01-05 14:32:47 GMT by Christian Kemp)60 comments
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"Jack Me" writes: Amiga have added a small update to their site.: Jan 4, 2003 - Amiga Inc. would like to apologise unreservedly for the delay in getting the T-shirts out. We have received all the orders from the dealers and no blame should be attached to the dealers for the delay. There are several reasons for the delay and we are working on trying to get these remedied as quickly as possible. We hope to have everything sorted out in the next few weeks.

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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Jan-2003 01:31 GMT
They didn't say anything new but it's better than complete silence.
Amiga Inc. apologise for T-shirt delays : Comment 2 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 05-Jan-2003 01:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I actually like this new systyem they are now using. No hype, no too big lies (ok.. we'll see IF they actually deliver those Shirts..), just basics. Much better than those Pompous Interwiews and Executive updates they used to release.
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 05-Jan-2003 02:00 GMT
THEY SAID IT AGAIN!

"a few more weeks"

AARRGHHH!!!!
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Posted by Lando on 05-Jan-2003 02:25 GMT
I'm really intrigued to find out what the "few problems" were with producing the T-Shirts. I could've walked into a T-Shirt printing store yesterday with a disk containing the image I wanted and walked out with a bunch of shirts all within an hour.
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Posted by JoannaK on 05-Jan-2003 02:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Lando):
Well.. they have long had 2 basic problems.. Lack of money and lack of capable leaders.

Now they have Deal with M$ so we can assume they have got both. At least someone is obviously holding the leashes :)
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Posted by on 05-Jan-2003 03:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (JoannaK):
Well t-shirts are just that, t-shirts. They have no really reason to lie (it would only lead to more PR problems). At least they are working it out and we won't have to hear about this anymore. One hopes...
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Posted by Nate Downes on 05-Jan-2003 04:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Lando):
Could do it one better if they're really stressed on the budget:

iron on transfers printed by inkjet printer.

Kinda cheezy, but cheap to do.
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Posted by SoT on 05-Jan-2003 06:13 GMT
If they is not capable to make T-Shirts... Then that it can make computers and Operating System?
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Posted by headnut on 05-Jan-2003 07:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (SoT):
they can`t. thats why they gave the OS to the portfactory and asked
eytech to buy boards from mai. simple.
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Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 05-Jan-2003 09:30 GMT
how feckin' hard is it to make a few t-shirts.. ? are they knitting them by themselves?
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Posted by jchap on 05-Jan-2003 10:01 GMT
No apologies for OS4 delay?
lol!
Don't be discouraged, in few years we'll have our OS4!!!....
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2003 10:49 GMT
Bitching one way or the other. Why am I not surprised.
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Posted by Ben on 05-Jan-2003 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Lando):
...if you dont like it then go get a MorphOS t-shirt! ;)

(joke!)
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2003 11:46 GMT
As individuals we can easily get T-shirts printed. Companies don't
work this way. They have to go via "official" channels and often the
invoices, deliveries, quantities, qualities, etc, are not met. Anyone
who has worked for a manufacturing company will have experienced
delays for the most ludicrous reasons that could be fixed by someone
walking down the road for five minutes.
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2003 12:28 GMT
They need to wait until all T-Shirts are being handmade knitted by chinese 20cents per hour employees :)

Specially knitting the AmigaINC logos inside the standard T-Shirts takes them ages.
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 05-Jan-2003 12:34 GMT
I'm wondering who wrote this little note. The usage of "apologise" instead of "apologize" seems to indicate that it was written by a person of English origin. Any thoughts/comments?
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Posted by redrumloa on 05-Jan-2003 12:43 GMT
IMO this is the best press release from Amiga Inc in at least 5 years.
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Posted by Don Cox on 05-Jan-2003 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Christian Kemp):
From an Update in November:

"we have broken up the company into two separate units. We have the
desktop team focusing their attention on the AmigaOne and OS 4.0, and we have the Mobile Team who is focusing
their attention on Amiga Anywhere and the content creation and distribution on the various products and platforms
that we support."

They have not said who is in each unit, but this message would
presumably come from the head of the Desktop unit, as the "club" was
for AOS 4 buyers. AFAIK fleecy is the only English person in Amiga
Inc.
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Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 05-Jan-2003 14:17 GMT
So AInc cannot even manage the simple task of getting some T-shirts printed and shipped out?

Oh for crying out loud.

How fecking useless does a company have to be in order not to be able to even get a bunch of T-shirts printed?

And we are supposed to pin our hopes for the revival of the Amiga on this bunch of useless clowns?

*shakes head in disbelief*

And no, the excuse invented by our cowardly anonymous contributor is not valid - if AInc cannot even manage something as trivial as ordering a few hundred T-shirts, then how the hell are they going to cope with anything more complicated such as REAL PRODUCT?

Oh well.
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Posted by anon on 05-Jan-2003 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (JoannaK):
>Deal with MS - Leashes

I guess Mr Frank Wilde III, AMIGA Inc chairman of the board.
He is a former Ravisent CEO, and MS use Ravisent's DVD player chip for XBOX.

>Knitting
Perhaps they are busy creating sweat shop and finding Hispanic Illegal Immigrant workers who understand the meaning of "AMIGA" in their own language? :-)
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Posted by Ed Dana on 05-Jan-2003 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Christian Kemp):
> I'm wondering who wrote this little note. The usage of "apologise"
> instead of "apologize" seems to indicate that it was written by a
> person of English origin. Any thoughts/comments?

I'd say that it was a joke, and they were hacked.

But even if they weren't hacked, it's still a joke... [Rolls Eyes]

Regards,
Ed Dana.
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Posted by dammy on 05-Jan-2003 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (anon):
Highly doubtful that they are using illegal hispanic immergrants. They are in the Seattle area after all. Now illegal Chinese immergrants, OTOH, is a possibility. ;-)

Dammy
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Posted by tinman on 05-Jan-2003 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Nate Downes):
Well, given that they need to do around 1000 (IIRC) it would be cheaper and easier to get them printed.

What logo is going on it again? They probably found that they sent the logo to the printers and it used too many colours, looked crap when printed out at the required size and so the delay is because some poor sod has to go and resize the picture and then touch it up by hand ;)
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 05-Jan-2003 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (JoannaK):
JoannaK wrote:

> I actually like this new systyem they are now using. No hype, no too big
> lies (ok.. we'll see IF they actually deliver those Shirts..), just basics.
> Much better than those Pompous Interwiews and Executive updates they used
> to release.

It still is to be seen if Inc. has any real intention of giving people the
shirts, coupons, newsletter, and pre-sold OS 4 they paid for. But I must say
at least they haven't dug themselves in deeper by blaming Osama bin Laden
like they did last time. And communication is a good thing.
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Posted by Troels E on 05-Jan-2003 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
"As individuals we can easily get T-shirts printed. Companies don't
work this way. They have to go via "official" channels and often the
invoices, deliveries, quantities, qualities, etc, are not met. Anyone
who has worked for a manufacturing company will have experienced
delays for the most ludicrous reasons that could be fixed by someone
walking down the road for five minutes."

C'mon there is NO excuse for not having these T-shirts made a LONG time ago.

I have worked for a manufacturing company (in the textile industry - H2O sportswear) and I know deadlines can and will be broken, but not if you order a small quantity of 1500 t-shirts. Problems arise when you order 15K+, the far-east companies allways accept the orders well knowing that they cant meet the deadline :-(

Anyway a t-shirt is only a dollar or two (incl. 1-color print), so it's not like it gonna cost Amiga a fortune, It will be much worse with the 50$ discount...
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 05-Jan-2003 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Christian Kemp):
Christian Kemp wrote:

> I'm wondering who wrote this little note. The usage of "apologise" instead
> of "apologize" seems to indicate that it was written by a person of English
> origin. Any thoughts/comments?

Not enough there to tell. It's possible that an American used that spelling,
although the "z" is more typical over here. I wouldn't read anything into it.
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 05-Jan-2003 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Troels E):
Troels E. wrote:

> C'mon there is NO excuse for not having these T-shirts made a LONG
> time ago.

"We're broke" is an absolute excuse for almost anything. It's lame and cheap
and calls for the response "why'd you take my money in the first place then"
but it is still a valid excuse.

Now as for your comment that they could make the shirts for a buck or two
apiece, that is really underestimating it, and there are shipping and
packing costs to deal with too.
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Posted by KenH on 05-Jan-2003 15:59 GMT
FFS..all this crap over T-shirts. Are any of the people complaing actually going to be getting the T-shirts? I'd be willing to bet my copy of OS4 that not one of them are. And has anyone thought that they might be too busy doing more useful things than worrying over a pile of clothes...after all as McEwen keeps saying...they are in the software business.(Yeah yeah I know what you're going to say)
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Posted by coldfire on 05-Jan-2003 16:02 GMT
This is just sad.

coldfire
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Posted by T_Bone on 05-Jan-2003 16:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (KenH):
> Are any of the people complaing actually going to be getting the T-shirts?
> I'd be willing to bet my copy of OS4 that not one of them are.

I agree, I doubt anyone will get a T-shirt either :)
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Posted by Troels E on 05-Jan-2003 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Daniel Miller):
"Now as for your comment that they could make the shirts for a buck or two
apiece, that is really underestimating it, and there are shipping and
packing costs to deal with too."

No I did not underestimate it, I know the prices of a lot of the far eastern companies and you can get a pretty good t-shirt for $2....

Offcourse I wasn't talking about the total price incl. packaging, shipping etc. Just the t-shirts incl. a 1-colour print, don't remember what a multi-colour logo like the one they choose would cost (but not that much more, depending on size).
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Posted by 3seas on 05-Jan-2003 16:45 GMT
This is a test. It is a test to determine how many suckers are still left.....Shrug :7
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 05-Jan-2003 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (T_Bone):
T_Bone wrote:

>> Are any of the people complaing actually going to be getting
>> the T-shirts? I'd be willing to bet my copy of OS4 that not
>> one of them are.

> I agree, I doubt anyone will get a T-shirt either :)

On amiga-news.de one guy was saying that the race is on to see who finishes
first, Amiga Inc. with the T-shirt or Hyperion with OS4. ;)
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Posted by dammy on 05-Jan-2003 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (T_Bone):
They are probably too busy dodging Servers to place an order for T-Shirst. ;)

Dammy
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Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 05-Jan-2003 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (KenH):
" FFS..all this crap over T-shirts."

Yeah, imagine all this crap over people actually having the audacity to expect AInc to ship them something for which they paid months ago?

Shocking, isn't it...
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2003 17:21 GMT
I think we can't blame AINC no matter how much they suck nowadays. You people should blame yourself for spending money for shit you never receive. Didn't all your moms and dads told you to pay only for things you physically could get ? In this case for all of you that paid for imaginary shit. BLAME yourself. You obviously deserve it.
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Posted by Anonymous on 05-Jan-2003 17:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
I tend to agree.

Situation:

A VC-funded company with loads of failed promises in their baggage takes preorders for products that are not theirs and not under their control.

It was not specified (at least not initially, the usual subsequent and incremental "clarifications" were necessary) WHICH products that were offered in the coupon deal. A Teron mobo? A computer system built with a Teron mobo? A copy of AmigaOS for Amigas (CS/BlizzPPC)?

It was not specified what the PRICE of the products is/will be. My guess it's gonna be exactly $50 more expensive than it would've been without this scam... ;-) Great savings, and nobody will ever know...

It was not specified WHEN the products will be available.

The "raffle" was outright fraudulent and totally incredible. If we sell a million coupons we'll raffle a trip to Mars and an "Amiga cellphone", or something...

Then it all morphed into a company fanclub membership or something. Nothing was said about what t-shirt the suckers would get would look like, nobody even bothered to ask for sizes. Again, there was no word on when these would be shipped. Then the suckers were to design the t-shirts themselves... Then it morphed into "market research" for how many Teron boards Eyetech would order. Then Bouma stepped in and advertised it to the outside world as "helping the platform" and general charity.

No, I can't say I'm feeling sorry for those who bought this.

Congrats, ainc, to a successful fundraising. Too bad you suffered losses in Goodwill Capital, but that has never seemed to bother you.
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Posted by cedric on 05-Jan-2003 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
well, if they deliver thoses t-shirts they could say they did something!Actually, when you see some peoples delivering real systems(os and machine) and others failling to deliver t-shirts I can't understand why someone are steel waiting for os4!
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Posted by Troels E on 05-Jan-2003 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (cedric):
"well, if they deliver thoses t-shirts they could say they did something!
Actually, when you see some peoples delivering real systems(os and machine) and others failling to deliver t-shirts I can't understand why someone are steel waiting for os4!"

Well, real machines _have been_ delivered, newer versions are due to be released at the end of the month (if they will get the G4s?). The only part missing is OS4, which have allmost nothing to do with Amiga Inc. Thats why we have patience and still wait for it.

Hell...Real systems have been delivered all the time but not all of us switched to Wintel did we?
We wan't _OS4_ therefore we are prepared to wait, it' probably what we Amigans are best at anyway:-)

I think they will deliver these t-shirts, they might get more problems with the partypack and I am Amiga discounts. We will see.
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Posted by KenH on 05-Jan-2003 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (3seas):
>This is a test. It is a test to determine how many suckers are still left.....

Bwaaa!!! Suckers for what??? They aren't offering anything. They aren't violating peoples minds or bodies. So what exactly is there to test!!!? D'oh! They made promises they couldn't keep...Whaaa BooHooooo....Sue 'em all!!!!! ;)
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Posted by KenH on 05-Jan-2003 18:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (3seas):
Just want to put my name in a cookie(missed it first time)...whoohoo no more typing that in!
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Posted by cedric on 05-Jan-2003 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Troels E):
When I said :"Actually, when you see some peoples delivering real systems(os and machine)"I wasn't thinking of wintel machine at all!
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Posted by Troels E on 05-Jan-2003 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (cedric):
@ Cedric
I know you weren't...

I just tried to put it into some sort of perspective.. If it wasn't because we where waiting for OS4, we would have a lot of alternatives.
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 05-Jan-2003 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (cedric):
I think he's referring to the AOne's, but those aren't delivered by
AInc, so I don't really see how they entered the picture.
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Posted by Bill "tekmage" Borsari on 05-Jan-2003 21:47 GMT
I have more faith in seeing a T-shirt from Amiga Inc then I do getting my PPC card back from repair! Hell Amiga Inc has already given out shirts at two different shows.

Bill "Tekmage" Borsari
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Posted by Graham on 05-Jan-2003 23:20 GMT
Well, I think this is rather sad. I can only think that they got whatever image was chosen originally, went to the t-shirt printers and were told "That many colours? That'll be $5 a shirt" and are having to colour-reduce the logo.

Dammit, the best logo would be a white and red AMIGA logo on a black t-shirt, perhaps with a boing ball. Not some frickin' michaelangelo.

Although I would be more willing to wear the michaelangelo... :)

If the logo is already low on colours, then I don't know what the problem is... are they waiting for "budget t-shirts ltd" to get through a backlog or something?
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Posted by Lando on 05-Jan-2003 23:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
>I think we can't blame AINC no matter how much they suck
>nowadays. You people should blame yourself for spending
>money for shit you never receive. Didn't all your moms
>and dads told you to pay only for things you physically
>could get ? In this case for all of you that paid for
>imaginary shit. BLAME yourself. You obviously deserve it.

Ok, so I am to blame, since I "joined the club". However, at the time I signed up, I was sure (as I could be) that OS4 was imminent, that I'd be able to put my $50 towards it, and in addition I'd get newsletters/t-shirt, and more importantly, feel that I was contributing in some small way towards the future of our platform.

How could I know how it would turn out? Of course, I know better now, and I'll never trust Amiga Inc again. But is it fair to place all the blame on the club members for placing their faith in a company that, at the time, looked to be doing most things right? Suppose nobody had joined the club? Would there even be an OS4 at all? I doubt it.

Anyway, thats all in the past. My Pegasos and MorphOS have been ordered, and I can't wait for them to arrive. The new "Amiga" does exist, only it doesn't have a boingball on it, it has a butterfly. :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jan-2003 00:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Lando):
Maybe it's a male Butterfly so we could add him 2 boingballs for his scrotum :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Jan-2003 02:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Lando):
"Suppose nobody had joined the club? Would there even be an OS4 at all? I doubt it."

The two things are completely unconnected. AInc have no money and no resources for developing an OS, that's being done by Hyperion as and when they can.

Money you sent AInc went to AInc. Neither Hyperion nor Eyetech saw a dollar of it, in fact they don't know anything about it except what you know - ie Bill McEwen is still ripping off customers. They won't speak out against it because if AInc goes under the Name is worthless and they'll both lost any chance of getting their money back.
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Posted by Sharku on 06-Jan-2003 14:07 GMT
Rubbish, utter rubbish. If thy were actually planning on doing the t-shirts, it should have been done months ago when the money was paid!
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