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[News] A1 XE even more postponed?ANN.lu
Posted on 08-Jan-2003 17:29 GMT by Lewis Mistreated (Edited on 2003-01-08 20:40:29 GMT by Christian Kemp)86 comments
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There are freaky rumours about a new delay in the A1 XE boards shipment, so that now it seems we'll have to wait till February... read 'em all here. Bear in mind, this is unconfirmed. I'll happily link to an explanation or confirmed date of shipment from Eyetech in case this turns out to be wrong.
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Posted by Lando on 08-Jan-2003 16:43 GMT
Does it really matter?
Without an OS it's about as much use as a chocolate fireguard anyway (unless you're a Linux fan).
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Posted by Gregg on 08-Jan-2003 17:15 GMT
"Improvements"?

Lawdy lawdy lawdy.

Does this qualify as eXtreme optimism, or is what we've got here a case of yer actual insanity, guv?

Gregg
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jan-2003 17:32 GMT
What "freaky rumours"? The Teron PX is not yet finished. A simple fact. What's so tremendously controversial about that, apart from the weird excuses from Eyetech ("we don't get G4 CPUs" (LOL!) and the other "bullshit")?

When the Teron PX is finished and for sale in a consumer-suitable state, then the distributors, like e.g. Eyetech, can start selling it. What's strange about that? Sheesh.

If you want real technical info and believable release date estimates, ask Mai themselves or a vendor who has a clue like Terra Soft. Note that Mai and TS have NOT yet publicly announced the Teron PX as it is UNKNOWN when it will be released. It's quite possible that *Eyetech* has said "February", for whatever that's worth... :-DDD
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Posted by Troels E on 08-Jan-2003 17:47 GMT
Another "ANN quality news item" even though there's no news from Eyetech about AmigaOne. Last time mentioned by Eyetech was end of January.

Now let the trolls out.
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Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 08-Jan-2003 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
> The Teron PX is not yet finished. A simple fact.

Yeah, yet another anonymous poster that know it all.
If it isn't finished, then why am I using it right now? With a dual G4 module?

Yeah, a simple fact.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jan-2003 17:57 GMT
I think a lot of people will be secretly pleased.A delay gives a chance to rebuild funds after the xmas blood letting :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jan-2003 18:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> If it isn't finished, then why am I using it right now? With a dual G4 module?

You didn't read the entire post, did you? If you did, what part of "When the Teron PX is *finished* and *for sale* in a *consumer-suitable state*" do you have difficulties understanding? We all know that Teron PX boards exist in various stages of development, thank you very much.

Go split hairs somewhere else, please.

BTW, what would it matter if the Teron PX were for sale tomorrow, when AmigaOS and MorphOS isn't available for it?
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Posted by kriz on 08-Jan-2003 18:26 GMT
argh!!!! rumours suck !!!!
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Posted by Troels E on 08-Jan-2003 18:47 GMT
How the f*** can this be moderated as news???

It's a rumour, should be in the forum category!
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Posted by reflect on 08-Jan-2003 18:47 GMT
even more postponed? that is never mentioned in the post you refer to. what helgis says is,
"about the same time you said, but in norway, it'll probably be in feb."
then he's referring to the original estimation "eyetech will ship around mid jan and
end users will get it late jan".

or did I miss something here?
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 08-Jan-2003 18:48 GMT
Seems that the end of february for G4 models
has been know for awhile now, nothing much to
worry about... I have enough saved for the
G3 model now, but will wait until OS4 arrives
before buying anything...
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Posted by Troels E on 08-Jan-2003 18:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (reflect):
No you didn't miss anything....

Other people obviously did.
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Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 08-Jan-2003 18:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
It *is* in a consumer-ready state, so please stop telling bullshit about matters that you don't know.

Now, go an spread your FUD somewhere else.
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Posted by Senex on 08-Jan-2003 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Troels E):
@Troels E:

It's "news" at Amiga.org as well. So calm down, it's not an "ANN
quality news item" only.

Post positive AI-news (or any AI-news at all) here, and they'll be
treated the same way as Genesi's ones.

Ts...
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Posted by Troels E on 08-Jan-2003 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Senex):
"It's "news" at Amiga.org as well. So calm down, it's not an "ANN
quality news item" only."

No it's not.

As other people you seem to have problems judging between Forum and news categories. It has nothing to do with it being positive or negative, as it simply isn't news.

Maybe you could be kind enough to provide a link ti the Amiga.org news item?
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Posted by Emeric SH on 08-Jan-2003 19:01 GMT
It's a forum topic, and not a News Item on amiga.org. Hands up, who was the SU who posted it as a news item here?
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Posted by Senex on 08-Jan-2003 19:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Troels E):
Huh? I'm willing to bet that it HAS been there ALSO as a news-item a
few hours ago. Seems to have been removed again, then.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jan-2003 19:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Senex):
I would have moderated it in forum.
Sometimes it is difficult to sort information and misinformation. So please don't blame Christian.
I would not be surprised if the Amigaone XE would come only in february. Release dates are always too optimistics.
Any release dates for OS4 on powerup and for OS4 on AmigaOne ?
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Posted by marktime on 08-Jan-2003 19:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
>BTW, what would it matter if the Teron PX were for sale tomorrow, when AmigaOS and MorphOS isn't available for it?

It MATTERS because people have PAID for it already.
Yes, they will use linux while they wait, buts that's their business...its their hobby, and why should they wait when they PAID and were PROMISED....

end of story, it matters.
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Posted by Troels E on 08-Jan-2003 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Senex):
Well thats quite easy to claim... You might consider WHY it was removed, if it was ever there.

Note that I do believe you if you are sure it was there...
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Posted by Troels E on 08-Jan-2003 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (marktime):
Who have payed for it?
Where did they buy it?

Facts please.

Unless it is direct from Eyetech (which it isn't) it can't be their problem.
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jan-2003 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Emeric SH):
That would be me. (I moved it from "Unmoderated" to "News".)

Take a look at the title of the ANN main page. "Daily news, *rumours* and comments." This item is *clearly* marked as rumour. I even added a comment asking people to post links to official sources contradicting this. What more do you want?
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Posted by Emeric SH on 08-Jan-2003 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Christian Kemp):
You have a point, I do apologise. Never the less, creating a new category [Rumour] may be the best solution.
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Posted by Andrew Deacon on 08-Jan-2003 19:21 GMT
I think Eyetech made their position quite clear before Christmas.

They missed the last production slot available due to a delay in the
arrival of the G4 cpu's, the next production slot was mid January.

OBVIOUSLY there will be a few weeks between production and delivery.

The delay means the new Articia chip will now be on the boards.
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Posted by Troels E on 08-Jan-2003 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Christian Kemp):
Just like the title clearly says "NEWS".

Rumours like this never used to be moderated to news, but things seems to have changed here lately.

Rumours like these actually never used to appear anywhere.

Read the A.org thread, the founder of the thread hints at delivery in late january/beginning of februrary in Norway. This is what have always been said by Eyetech and isn't news (not even a new rumour).
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Posted by Ryu on 08-Jan-2003 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Troels E):
I completely agree, this should of been moderated to forum.
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Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 08-Jan-2003 19:28 GMT
should have been moderated to trashcan. as valuable as itch in nuts
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jan-2003 19:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Thanks for answering the "what part don't you understand" bit. So, you don't understand the parts FINISHED, FOR SALE and IN A CONSUMER-SUITABLE STATE in combination then? Which is what this odd news article is all about, in case you failed to notice that.

Nobody cares about whether you or I have a Teron PX board. They've been around for, what, 7 months now? The consumer version is not for sale, not to mention the only interesting thing to people on an Amiga news site: AmigaOS/MorphOS does not yet ship for that hardware. Which incidentally is the same as with the Teron CX, which similarly has been around in various stages of development for 1.5 years by now (it didn't stop Eyetech from flogging buggy evaluation boards as licensed "AmigaOnes" though)...


This news item's title is weird too, the board is not "postponed", according to anything I've heard from Mai.

It's never had a fixed release date that can be postponed in the first place. Well, maybe Eyetech has been speaking on things beyond their control and of which they know nothing about again, but in that case it would just be *Eyetech's* release date that's postponed, but who cares about what Eyetech says. The most exact release date that Mai has told me is "next year" (when asked in December 2002).

"FUD"?
The Teron PX is not yet for sale. Now, exactly how does factually correct statement equal marketing my own products by spreading Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt about competitors and their products? What are my products and who are my competitors? I work as a government employed computer science researcher, BTW. I don't compete with Mai.
Please don't behave like a couple of the more clueless morons around here and amiga.org by misusing a "powerful" acronym as FUD whenever they disagree with something, Hans-Joerg. Hey, we don't even disagree after all! :-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jan-2003 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (marktime):
Actually it's a legal requirement for Alan to tell all the customers individually about each and every delay for mail order products, no matter whether he accepted money in advance or not.

For e-mail orders an e-mail is acceptable, for postal or telephone orders a letter or phone call (confirmed speaking to the right person) is the minimum acceptable unless the customer says otherwise.

If he has no real schedule (he doesn't) then he must offer to refund their money, if appropriate, and to cancel the order with no penalty, as well as telling them clearly that he doesn't know when it will be available.

All this stuff is clearly defined by the appropriate (British) laws & associated government guidelines for mail order retaillers, if Alan hasn't read them I'm sure there are some nice men who'd like to ensure that he does so pronto if he wants to stay in business.
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Posted by Digby on 08-Jan-2003 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Troels E):
This is all rather typical of Christians recent stance. Gone is the much
vaunted independent editorial decisions. Items such as these as you say never
used to be marked up to News, now it has to be unconfirmed rumours about Genesi
to be kept away from the banner headlines.

Genesi: innocent until proven guilty.
Eyetech, Hyperion, Amiga Inc: guilty until proven innocent

This site has turned into a sad joke.
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jan-2003 19:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
TeronPX not finished?http://penguinppc.org/dev/pop/ |I received a Teron PX the other day. This next entry from MAI Logic is indeed|a very nice board. Like the Teron CX it has 4 PCI, 1 AGP and 1 ARM slot. The|processor slot is a rather interesting setup allowing for the likes of 750FX,|G4 as well as (if you flip a jumper), x86 and MIPs processors. Mine has a G4|7440 processor. This text is more than half a year old!
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Posted by David Scheibler on 08-Jan-2003 19:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Wasn't the AmigaOne SE in March 2002 also in a "consumer-ready" state according
to Eyetech and should have been shipping within 6 weeks?
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Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jan-2003 19:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (David Scheibler):
Like MorphOS was an entirely new written from scratch operating system as well you mean? And the
Pegasos was ready for Feb 2002? Etc etc.

Don't stand in a glass house when throwing stones.
A1 XE even more postponed? : Comment 34 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 08-Jan-2003 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (David Scheibler):
David, apparently so http://www.eyetech.co.uk/addbar.php?Address=/NEWS/AMIGA003.HTM, we've all been using them and OS4 for 7 months already, if we take eyetech at their word.
A1 XE even more postponed? : Comment 35 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 08-Jan-2003 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Digby):
>This site has turned into a sad joke.thank god ann.lu is only visited by about 200 faithful users :) the rest of theworld will never know whats going on here....at work, i hide or exit the browserwhen people come near where i sit, when reading ann.lu :)
A1 XE even more postponed? : Comment 36 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MIKE on 08-Jan-2003 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (catohagen):
Why's that? Because an Amiga dealer is announcing a delay to his customers of G4 boards? Do you think he's lying? Do you think what he's saying isn't important to his customers who are waiting on the board? Or is it because you don't like any negative comments towards Amiga sanctioned products? Really, it's obvious Eyetech keeps pushing back the date for whatever reason, they probably alerted their dealers before the endusers, does that make sense to you?
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jan-2003 20:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Troels E):
> Rumours like this never used to be moderated to news

I've been featuring news AND rumours on the main page for six years now! Where have you been? :)
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Posted by David Scheibler on 08-Jan-2003 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (MIKE):
Well what is a bit more interesting is the posting of someone in the A1 ML who
said that KDH told him that AmigaOne SEs can't be produced anymore.
A1 XE even more postponed? : Comment 39 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jan-2003 20:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Digby):
Items like these were always a part of ANN. Do you still remember how many postings there were talking about the BoXer, about all of its delays and redesigns, all the criticisms that Mick should just ship it as is, etc.? Back then, nobody accused me of being biased, so why is it that suddenly everyone is so vulnerable about news that show Amiga companies in a less than optimal light?

The fact is, I'm moderating whatever news is available. I'm not doing my own research - don't have time for that. If you want more pro-Amiga news, go find them and post them. This is what happens with Genesi news. Someone posts them, I moderate them. As easy as that.
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jan-2003 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (catohagen):
I can assure you that ANN.lu is read by more than 200 visitors.

Judging by the number of pageviews, amiga-news.de is the leading Amiga site, with Amiga.org and ANN.lu sharing the second place (IIRC both Wayne and I recorded about 450,000 pageviews in December.)
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jan-2003 20:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Digby):
"This is all rather typical of Christians recent stance. Gone is the much
vaunted independent editorial decisions. Items such as these as you say never
used to be marked up to News, now it has to be unconfirmed rumours about Genesi
to be kept away from the banner headlines. "

This has nothing to do with that. Facts are that I have done less moderation work lately an that I may have a different style than Christian. I would put less things as news.
Christian is not posting the news item anyway. It is not Christian's fault if lately Amigainc/Amigaone news posted here are negative.

Look at recent thread concerning amigainc/ amigaone / OS4:

Amiga Inc. apologise for T-shirt delays as news
Top VapourWare Products of 2002 as web
Amiga Inc. Xmas Greetings as news
Amiga launched the new Amiga Games Pocket Pak as news
Teron board delays as news

More AmigaOne worries as forum
"Season's Greetings from Amiga HQ": Hm? as rant
Radion doesn't work on A1 as forum
It will be worth the wait, ignore the rumors. as forum
Nothing from Amiga Club !!!
Justice?
No AOne this year


If you look at MorphOS news you will see a lot of news concerning events:

News:
Genesi USA Incorporated
Samuel Rydh (MacOnLinux) to be guest of Genesi at CES.
IOSPIRIT guest of Genesi at CES 2003
Benelux Amiga & Pegasos Show 2003
Phoenix to Attend CES With Genesi
Cebit, Sydney and Pre-Orders

Forum:
Merlancia & Pegasos ?
When will Morphos be out for real?

So is it a fair moderation or not ? Do you want us to ignore/delete all negative news ?
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jan-2003 20:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Christophe Decanini):
I think we are actually being very fair to Amiga Inc. and its partners. I wouldn't want to read the Register's view on any of the recent actions, for example.

Besides, I still prefer to present as much information to people as possible - which includes rumours and opinions - and have them make up their own mind. Sadly, it seems like more and more people want me to paint a picture that does not correspond to reality. Everyone, face it: there are many problems in this market, and they need to be acknowledged and addressed, and not just shouted down as "FUD" without ever dealing with the origin of whatever is said.
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Posted by catohagen on 08-Jan-2003 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Christian Kemp):
>450,000 pageviews in Decemberis that 450,000 pageviews of the main index.html or 450,000 total pageviewscounting the comments sections ?450,000 in one month / 30 days = 15,000 per day15,000 / 200 users = 75 pageviews per day 200 users pressing reload or opening ann.lu 75 times per day is unrealistic ?
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jan-2003 20:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (catohagen):
I know a LOT of people that do not read any comments. It looks that it is a majority.
Christian may give the amount of unique visitors per month.
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Posted by catohagen on 08-Jan-2003 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Christophe Decanini):
>Christian may give the amount of unique visitors per month.well, i dont wanna make extra work for the guy :) its just that with3,963,199 visitors from 1996 -> 2003 or 6 years makes around 660,533 visitorsper year and take that number and divide on 12 and you get 55,044visitors per month, and if you want unique visitors thatnumber will go even further down..
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jan-2003 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (catohagen):
It's total pageviews, which includes the main page, detail pages and comments. It doesn't

Yes, I would say so.

Remember, in previous polls here on ANN there would be up to 2000 votes IIRC (even those polls that were not political "X vs. Y" ones where anything would have been "gained" by multiple votes), and I don't think the number of individual visitors has decreased since then.

There might be a number of people who have nothing better to do than hang out on ANN all day long; but then again there's also those who only visit once a day, or just a few times a week.

My server stats say that yesterday: "Distinct hosts served: 2,495" - seeing how people are increasingly using DSL and static IPs, that doesn't really look like it's just the same 200 people... Also, yesterday wasn't hugely popular as far as global pageviews or participation in the comments are concerned.
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Posted by reflect on 08-Jan-2003 21:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Christian Kemp):
no, I for one don't want you to paint anything. But eyetech said on the A1 list that they will have the boards in mid jan.
the consumers would then have theirs late jan. The forum at amiga.org then speculated that perhaps he would get his in early
feb, since he's in norway.

personally, I believe this one belongs in the forum section. it's nothing new about this post..
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jan-2003 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (catohagen):
The graphical counter is not very reliable. I have fairly powerful ad scripts that give more realistic numbers.

Besides, ANN started off with about 100 visitors a day, so you'd have to take the growth over the years into account. (ie. you can't just divide by 72 months to get any indicative numbers for December 2002).

(Not really any proof, but I think the access.log for one of the first days of January amounted to about 8 MB uncompressed.)
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Posted by catohagen on 08-Jan-2003 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Christophe Decanini):
>I know a LOT of people that do not read any comments. It looks that it is a majority.i just can't make the numbers add up.....with ~450,000 pageviews per monththe counter should be much higher than ~4,000,000...2 months of that trafficwould make nearly 1/4 of total visitors...and i don't think that many peopleturn off image loading with broadband and modern computers...
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Posted by catohagen on 08-Jan-2003 21:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Christian Kemp):
not related to pageviews or visitors, but the 'Save name and email address in a cookie for future usage'doesn't seem to work ? or maybe its ibrowse ?anyway.....its a good option :)
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