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Posted on 08-Jan-2003 20:50 GMT by Troels Ersking (Edited on 2003-01-08 22:28:22 GMT by Christian Kemp)59 comments
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Troels Ersking wrote: Contrary to rumours being spread around the web, Eyetech are still aiming at a release for late January. Hyperion now also got a working DUAL G4 card from Eyetech, nothing new about when that will hit us users. Links added by me. AmigaOne XE news!

AmigaOneXE G4 is still due for delivery late January. Local dealers might get them a bit later.

The AmigaOneXE design(single G4) is currently finished in consumer ready state, awayting deliveries of the G4 processor.

Other great news is that AmigaOneXE DUAL G4 is currently being used by Hyperion, hope AmigaOS4 will support that processor module soon after release.

Comment about the G4 module
AmigaONE News. : Comment 1 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Chrstophe Decanini on 08-Jan-2003 19:56 GMT
Late january and february does not make a big difference anyway.
The 2* G4 being tested is the good piece of news I think.
Now we need an OS to run on that.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 2 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jan-2003 20:07 GMT
Troels, I can live with this news item being here (Christophe moderated it). However, the way I see it, the previous news item said something new: "there will be more delays" (leaving aside any discussion on how well-founded this rumour is). Your submission just re-iterated something Eyetech said before, but of course this might not be up-to-date anymore. What's your source for this, and how long is it since you last heard anything tangible from Eyetech about shipping dates? (This is a real question, by the way.)

Hence in my personal opinion, the previous news item has more "news" value than yours.

BTW, the G4 AmigaOne supposedly in use at Hyperion is said to be a dual-processor one, although nobody has said anything on whether the second CPU is used at all (Linux and AmigaOS4).
AmigaONE News. : Comment 3 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 08-Jan-2003 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Christian Kemp):
Feel free to delete or edit it! It's your site....

The dual G4 card is news anyway, not a rumour like the previous "news" post
AmigaONE News. : Comment 4 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jan-2003 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Troels E):
It was mentioned a few weeks ago already, but nobody bothered to submit a news item.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 5 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 08-Jan-2003 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Christian Kemp):
So was the A1 delay. In a real statement from Eyetech.

Nothing new there...
AmigaONE News. : Comment 6 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 08-Jan-2003 20:35 GMT
"Hence in my personal opinion, the previous news item has more "news" value than yours"

Whats new in it?

It links to a post where a Norwegian guy writes that the XE model will be available in februrary. Thats nothing new as Eyetech said they expect to begin to ship the boards late January.

The original A.org post says that both the XE-G3 and XE-G4 will be available at the same time, that might be news but wasn't mentioned here on ANN.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 7 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Jan-2003 20:48 GMT
and my opinion is different than both of you:

The Amigaone XE postponed to february is new to me, but I would not post it as NEWS without verification. I understand what Christian did with the comment suggesting it was a rumor and asking for verification.

The 2*G4 has been announced, it is not new, but one of the main Hyperion developer having one is new. Now IF it is a prototype and can not be used now as a final product it makes it less good news as if it is really ready for production and available for users.

My personal opinion is that I have no interest for Amigaone until OS4 is ready.
We have been told weeks ago 99% finished etc but we had no news for a long long time.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 8 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jan-2003 20:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Troels E):
Fair enough. That's why a link was provided for people to check out the Amiga.org item and form their own opinion (which, as I mentioned elsewhere already, is one of the ideals I try to follow on ANN: there might be heated discussions, there might be accusations or rumours that go a bit too far; but I still think this is better than a site that just posts official press releases or links to official web pages.)

Either way. All of this being said, I'm heading to bed - eight hours at work, two hours training, moderation and development work on ANN and a cold that doesn't seem to go away are not a very good mixture if you add in lack of sleep.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 9 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 08-Jan-2003 21:17 GMT
I don't understand, what would you people who are negative towards
posting rumours about delays want, before something like that should
be allowed? An official press release from Eyetech announcing the
delay in bold letters?

Come on, it doesn't work like that. Now, a rumour appeared.. and
that's what this site is about. If Eyetech deny the rumour, we'll have
to form our own opinion about whether the denial is credible or not.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 10 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 08-Jan-2003 21:48 GMT
Well.. I'm not too interested what cards these people are having in any day as long as they can't make one OS ... So, next time, please try to get some real important info into news article.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 11 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 08-Jan-2003 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (JoannaK):
"Well.. I'm not too interested what cards these people are having in any day as long as they can't make one OS ... So, next time, please try to get some real important info into news article."

Some people are only interested in OS4, some are interested in the hardware and others are just allways bitching and being damn negative..!

A working DUAL G4 card is important for me if it isn't for you, why do you comment?
AmigaONE News. : Comment 12 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by anon on 08-Jan-2003 22:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Troels E):
I agree, Troels.

The editorial privilege here at ann is getting a bit loose, despite the protestations and interesting choice of biased censorship on the part of the editor.

For a site that derives its acronym and readership from Amiga and its community, one might think that said editorial priviledge might be a bit less biased to another platform. Especially one so patently fragile. (What was the big news today? Incorporated in NV? Wow! Now thats something!)

Oh well, I suspect that someone else will run with the ball, once this becomes MNN.lu
AmigaONE News. : Comment 13 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 09-Jan-2003 01:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Troels E):
"A working DUAL G4 card is important for me if it isn't for you, why do you comment?"

I agree with you as well. People have cited that the Pegasos was a better design because it allowed for different CPU cards, yet when the AmigaOneXE is known to have at least 3 different CPU cards, it's shrugged off because OS4.0 isn't ready yet. The AmigaOne could end world hunger, global warming, and stop fighting in the Middle East, but would be criticized for not having OS4.0 ready yet.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 14 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 09-Jan-2003 02:47 GMT
Neither Pegasos nor the mis-named AmigaOne have an Amiga operating system to run on them, so what's the point?

And please, Pegasos fanboys, keep it to yourself. A bundled emulator != the Amiga OS.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 15 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Jan-2003 02:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (anon):
For the anonymous (all of them) bitching:

It is up to you guys to post (interesting) news items. Unfortunately you have more motivation for criticizing the guys who actualy do something for the Amiga community than for doing something usefull by yourself.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 16 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 09-Jan-2003 03:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Some Farker):
> Neither Pegasos nor the mis-named AmigaOne have an Amiga operating system to run on them, so what's the point?

Is this in reference to anything in this thread?

> And please, Pegasos fanboys, keep it to yourself. A bundled emulator != the Amiga OS.

Did anyone say it was? All that is claimed is that MorphOS will run 68xxx AmigaOS apps via a kind of emulation. This is, of course, the same way the AmigaOne will run these applications. So what was your point?

-- gary_c
AmigaONE News. : Comment 17 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 09-Jan-2003 04:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Christophe Decanini):
"one of the main Hyperion developer having one is new"
I think Alan Redhouse announced also that already in December...

Dec 21 2002:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amigaone/message/23311
"We will also release pictures of the dual G4 module (already with Hyperion) in early January. "

But perhaps it has not appeared as a ANN news item yet...
AmigaONE News. : Comment 18 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by H Cohen on 09-Jan-2003 07:03 GMT
@JoannaK

Careful, you might end up a wizened old spinster who only continues to live as long as she can find something to moan about.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 19 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jan-2003 09:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (H Cohen):
Oooh Bitchy !

Any news on the 2-G4 piccies ?
AmigaONE News. : Comment 20 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Frieden on 09-Jan-2003 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Christian Kemp):
> Hence in my personal opinion, the previous news item has more "news" value than yours.

I'm sorry to say that, but that's nonsense.
The previous "news item" is no news item, but just a stupid rumour somebody made up in his mind.

Sorry, but if ANN want's to be taken serious as a "NEWS" site, it should verify news before posting them as news. Until they are not verified, they are rumours, nothing else, and the fact that you post them as news questions your credibility.

No offense, just my opinon.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 21 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 09-Jan-2003 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Thomas Frieden):
Its so easy, just give proof of AmigaOS4 working on your dual G4 card and everything is fine :)
Instead you and your brother feed the rumour mill and spread bullshit like "I have a G4 working in my machine" to let the people think that its working. It seems that you and your brother are only jumping out of the box occasionally to spread some positive news about AmigaOne/OS4 when you feel its time to do that.
So simply shut up, finish your work you are supposed to do and release your product.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 22 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Mad-Matt on 09-Jan-2003 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (gary_c):
Did anyone say it was? All that is claimed is that MorphOS will run 68xxx AmigaOS apps via a kind of emulation. This is, of course, the same way the AmigaOne will run these applications. So what was your point?

-- gary_c

why do people keep calling the two osses the same thing ?

AOS4 is AmigaOS, a continuation of the AmigaOS using real Amiga OS code simply ported to ppc. The execPPC is still AmigaOS a reimplemetation of the 68k exec.lib. MorphOS on the otherhand uses a 68k emulation layer to run AmigaOS
but apparantly there is absolutly nothing AmigaOS in this new OS. So there are in no way the same thing or doing things the same way. AOS is native, mos is running aos progs within an emulation layer.

matt
----
AmigaONE News. : Comment 23 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Asymetrix_uk on 09-Jan-2003 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (anonymous):
Anonomous

Why are you getting personal ? There is no need for it.

AmigaOS 4 *is* being worked on and there is a thing called "TESTING" that takes time. Go look it up.

Even more so because WE amigans would not settle for buggy software.

Thomas ,Hans and the rest of the development team are doing their best to bring Amigans a NEW AmigaOS, a new hope, in many, many years.

Its people like YOU who disgrace us AMIGANS and the whole community, and on a daily basis spread your FUD & Amiga developers constantly QUESTION whether they should still support the Amiga community.

There is too much negativity on this platform, being hostile to developers then crying when they leave the platform.

Geez, just Chill out Anon !!
AmigaONE News. : Comment 24 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Mirror on 09-Jan-2003 11:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Asymetrix_uk):
Here Here.....

Just wish Alan would ring his customers to offically let them know what is going on. If it gonna turn upto feb / march. I want to know.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 25 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Björn Hagström on 09-Jan-2003 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Mirror):
Seems as if there is an update coming up on os.amiga.com soon(tm). Perhaps we'll know more when that happens.

/Björn
AmigaONE News. : Comment 26 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Frieden on 09-Jan-2003 11:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (anonymous):
You are missing the point. It's not about OS4.

Let's put it simple:

Company A announces a product, and gives a delivery date.
Company B does the same.

Now suddenly, "news sites" start spreading the "news item" that company A's product is delayed, even though it isn't. It was just something somebody posted, possibly because he thought he heard it, or possibily because he wanted to make company A look bad.

The news sites should only have posted it after verifying that it is true, not because someone "heard" it.

The news was not about OS4. It was about the A1XE being delayed. But of course, this doesn't prevent somebody from jumping to the opportunity to bash on something. After all, that's what people like you (i.e. anonymous cowards) do best.

One more thing: I am allowed to post my opinion as well. I even post my opinion under my name, something you don't. So please do not tell my to shut up. I won't. I have as much right to voice my opinion as you do, and I can even do that without (much) insulting.

Oh, and I don't need to proove *anything* to *you*. If you want to call me a liar, call me a liar, but please attach your name to it. I don't owe you anything, no proove, no explanation. Believe it or don't, I really don't care.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 27 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 09-Jan-2003 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Mad-Matt):
Wrong. MorphOS is a fully PPC native AmigaOS replacement, using emulation to
run legacy apps. Exactly what OS4 is but implemented differently.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 28 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by I dont care on 09-Jan-2003 12:02 GMT
Your dealing with a bunch of amateurs called Eyetech so dont expect to be treated like you would be treated by any respectable non Amiga companies.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 29 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 09-Jan-2003 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Thomas Frieden):
>The news sites should only have posted it after verifying that it is true, not because someone "heard" it.

To comment on your post generally, not this particular instance or the players in it. In this particular instance I actually believe that both Troels and the other poster (Amiga.org) are pretty much correct, the boards will be in people's hands late January, early February. I think it is pretty much dependant on how you like to look at it. No big deal, probably, for anyone concerned.

But back to your commentary on news postings...

How do you verify something is true? A source says so. If a company feels it is not in their best interest to confirm it, they won't. The source may or may not be secret. It may or may not be credible. These are issues that people in the news business deal with every day - with varying levels of success.

While I'm generally in agreement with you on basic journalistic ethic and groundrules, I'm sure even you have to admit that some of the actions by companies in this market have hardly contributed to an atmosphere that would encourage to "wait for confirmation". Delays, fixes, problems have been kept hidden so many times that these instances have made a mockery of the news being posted. Only recently Amiga news sites have begun to really question their sources and look at different sides of the story, which I believe has added to the level of realism here.

First of all, many of the "news" that have been posted over the last few years are/were based on press releases or such, and are/were posted without any editorial input. Companies usually get to have their say, whether or not what they say turns out to be the truth. This has been the case in the Amiga community for years now. Most of what has been announced or promised has not materialized. Often even correct rumours have been labeled as "nothing but vicious rumours". People who have posted them as news have been accused of anything from FUD to trolling, even if their information later turns out to be correct.

The competition adds to this. We are in a situation where the current players are (to an extent) understandably reluctant (and that goes to all sides) to divulge any vulnerabilities, delays or other issues they may have. Who is going to confirm the rumour that a product is delayed if that puts them in a bad light competetively? Obviously the source should be credible in a situation like this, but that does not mean the parties involved would ever confirm the news. Should the news still not be posted?

Rather than do it the way you suggest, I believe a journalistically sound compromise would be to offer the party who is being reported on to offer their comment. That is common practice. This is why sites like CNN say "the other party was not immediately available for comment, or they did not return the call, or..." after trying to get a comment and still post the news. Obviously this is made harder by the fact that sites like ANN are not run by people who do it for a living. (And, undestandably, people who do what they do for a living are annoyed when amateurs report on their business - even though the same amateurs often offer them huge amounts of free advertising...)

There is more than one side to a story. There are sources that the people that are being reported on like to be made public, and then there are those that they'd like to stay silent. News, in their purest form, do not discriminate. Bad news, like good news, is and should be reported whether or not somebody likes it.

That does, obviously, not mean that one should blindly follow rumours or post them without commenting on sources or offering the other party a chance to respond. I for one think Christian is doing a pretty good job given the resources he has. Obviously there is always room for improvement, but I do respect him for giving all sides their say and also reacting to feedback.

That is far more than some people here do.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 30 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 09-Jan-2003 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
> Wrong. MorphOS is a fully PPC native AmigaOS replacement, using emulation to
run legacy apps. Exactly what OS4 is but implemented differently.

Wrong. AmigaOS is not an AmigaOS replacement, it is AmigaOS.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 31 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 09-Jan-2003 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ketzer):
> Wrong. AmigaOS is not an AmigaOS replacement, it is AmigaOS.

Won't argue with that!
.
SlimJim
AmigaONE News. : Comment 32 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 09-Jan-2003 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ketzer):
Also this part "Exactly what OS4 is but implemented differently. " is incorrect.

It is somewhat similar than AmigaOS4, it does have some similar goals, but they also have different goals and they contain different features and they are implemen...
AmigaONE News. : Comment 33 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Marktime on 09-Jan-2003 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Chrstophe Decanini):
>>Late january and february does not make a big difference anyway.

The delay from December to January wasn't that big a deal for 'improvements'...and then once we understand its january, that could be any time in january, even the end of January.

Then we understand that late January and February is not much of a 'big difference anyway'.

The AmigaONE 1200, was a few weeks from being delivered years ago...

eventually something is late, my friend
AmigaONE News. : Comment 34 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster) on 09-Jan-2003 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (I dont care):
I have always found Eyetech to be courteous, honest and above all proffessional when I have dealt with them. To say they are a bunch of amateurs is plain ridiculous when you consider:
a) they have been in business since the early Eighties ( 1982 ?) and are *still in business*,
b) They got stuffed over parts by a manufacturer who consider themselves too big to bother about small customers. doesnt sound very amateur to me.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 35 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Jaeson Koszarsky on 09-Jan-2003 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Chrstophe Decanini):
Dual processors are only worthwhile if the software supports them. With the AmigaOS4, the first thing that needs to take full advantage of dual processors is the 68k emulation. That would cover acceleration of existing applications. Then apply dual-processor support to other areas.

What Amiga really needs is a good NLE. There are some old ones but they are all hardware dependent on old Z2/Z3 cards. If you port an existing NLE like Speed Razor, you might bring over more users. It would be a big leap but ImageFX could evolve to support video applications in a more NLE fashion.

I currently use MovieShop but I don't expect to see that ported since MacroSystems has moved away from Amiga.

Jaeson K.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 36 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by I dont care on 09-Jan-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Jim Forbes-Ritte (AGAfaster)):
If you find lies, excuses to be acceptable from a so called Professional company then so be it, but for me i like to order items from a company what contacts me if a delivery is delayed and not the other way around,

If customers have to read about important ordering information on a news forum then the company can not be taken seriously.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 37 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by guest on 09-Jan-2003 15:39 GMT
> AOS4 is AmigaOS, a continuation of the AmigaOS using real Amiga OS code simply ported to ppc.

Actually, it's a continuation in the worst sense: It is believed that AOS4 will, when released, use noticeable chunks of old 68K AmigaOS3 code and in that sense is more of an "emulator" than Morphos because such code does not run natively on the PPC CPU. Of course so far nobody outside the development team knows to what extent shortcuts are made and 68K corpses are left in the OS and tools. It would be a nice surprise if the PPC code outweights the 68k code but I'm more than sceptical, given the timeframe. They have good developers, but so has the MOS side and everybody knows how damn long it took them.

> the execPPC is still AmigaOS a reimplemetation of the 68k exec.lib. MorphOS on the otherhand uses a 68k emulation layer to run AmigaOS

Get your facts straight, please. Morphos is a PPC OS, it's made up of PPC code and it runs PPC apps. AOS4, as it looks now, is NOT going to be a clean PPC implementation of AmigaOS (but a patchwork of m68K code and PPC code).

The MOS "API" mimicks AmigaOS3. If you aren't a developper, you may not know what "API" is or means and think of "emulation". In a nutshell, API is the names of functions provided by the OS. MOS provides the same OS function/calling conventions but implemented as PPC code. Unlike AOS4, they (the developers) can not leave 68K corpses in the OS because they'd be sued if they did. It's not their code.

MOS uses an 68K emulator ONLY to execute 68K code, if you insist on installing old AmigaOS3 software. There is no other way to execute that old 68K-based software on a PPC-only mainboard. In other words, having an emulator on-board is an unavoidable consequence of having no m68k cpu but the desire to run m68k apps. It can not be avoided.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 38 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Jan-2003 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Mad-Matt):
You have no idea what you're talking about. Please don't tell us waht it is when you have no idea whatsoever what AOS4 / MOS is.

Both OS:es emulate 68k AOS applications. (yes, AOS4 does too)
AmigaONE News. : Comment 39 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 09-Jan-2003 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (anonymous):
no. YOU shut up and wait until the project is finished.

I find several things amusing about your post:
1) you try to be demanding...as anonymous
(WHO are you? what Amiga projects have you done)

2) you demand things...without even showing why your
opinions should be respected

3) you are blatantly impolite to two of the most
important figures in AmigaOs world

so. put up and shut up, unless you're willing to
state why your 'demands' are even worth a single
bit of electon that you wasted.

alan
AmigaONE News. : Comment 40 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 09-Jan-2003 16:58 GMT
Calm down everyone. Let Eyetech, and Hyperion keep on plugging away.I admit, it is disappointing to have to keep waiting, and waiting,and waiting,....It is also true that many innovative products, and not so innovativeproducts cannot or don't get to market. Recently there was a poston vaporware, and many other software companies unrelated toAmiga hadn't met their promised deadlines....it's just the knowledgethat the Amiga was so superior in its day ..that keeps us(or me)clamoring for something just as superior....I hope it canbe achieved...I hate thinkg about having to deal with crashingprograms, and having to know how to fix an operating systemon a daily basis in order to do simple tasks.....(my Windows 95experience)....Good luck all involved. Keep the flames on simmer....
AmigaONE News. : Comment 41 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 09-Jan-2003 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Janne Sirén):
whilst agreeing with some of your comments about this whole
recent rumour stuff, I do have one point to make.

ann.lu should try to verify its news...as much as other
'news/rumour' outlets do (eg slashdot.org, theregister.co.uk etc)
otherwise, if some information published is wrong and the information
is then spread through the net, then if this disinformation
causes a problem for a company, ann.lu COULD find itself right
on the end of a legal lawsuit. goodbye ann.lu

i dont want this to happen.. i want information about AmigaOS
and MorphOS as much as any other real Amiga user and supporter.

all you detractors, anonymous posters and waste of timers can go jump.

alan
AmigaONE News. : Comment 42 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 09-Jan-2003 19:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (alan buxey):
About the rumours...Sometimes there are people who
"actively" make up rumours even. It is easy to create a rumour (you have just
to post somewhere "I heard somewhere that xxx" - and there we go. Or maybe even just
telling it someone by email, so that at the time the rumour pops up, it
is not likely that people will be able to track it down back to yourselves.
It is hard to kill a rumour. And some of the rumour-mongers are so "active", that they
spread their rumour all over the place to make people believe in this. This did
not happen only one time.

One example: There was a longliving rumour that Quake 2 would be released together
with OS 4 and that we would be holding back Quake 2 to be able to release it in
bundle with OS 4. Sometimes even people did not believe me when I directed
told them this was not true by email. As they heard this rumour by so many people
that they believed it would be the absolute truth.

If one would examine it in detail one might find out of course that all these various
"instances" of the "OS 4-Quake 2 Rumour" came down to one or two persons who
started this stuff... and that all other people involved with this rumour just
quoted them.

I think one step would be to always name a reference as to "who said this" :)

If you hear a rumour it might be:

a) it is the actual "leaked out" truth
b) it is a misunderstanding
c) someone from group A wants to damage group B and invented a rumour
to damage group B because of this

A lot of rumours in the past months (whatever "group" started them) turned
out to be of category c).

Steffen
AmigaONE News. : Comment 43 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Jan-2003 19:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Steffen Haeuser):
Right.
And the more we wait to get a new product the more rumors and crap talk we have.
I think some Amigans are very frustrated people who put their stress on another Amigans ... :(

I wished that all these people would be actualy using Amiga applications to do something productive. In one hand Internet is good for a lot of things but on the other hand it is a waste of energy for many of us. :(
AmigaONE News. : Comment 44 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Ami603 on 09-Jan-2003 21:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Christophe Decanini):
Once was one time that people just put his creativity on this platform...those people seems to have dissapeared.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 45 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 09-Jan-2003 23:54 GMT
Boy, it's getting REALLY exciting!

Soon, a new kick ass machine will be out, and commercial developers or not, who cares?

Our back-catalog of SW and bedroom coders, who WILL flock back to the unprecedented freedom of coding and raw POWER of the machine will make for some MUCHO FUN times ahead!!

We can only imagine, what they could have done, had they not had the previous limitations of 7.14 MHz HW.

Amiga! Glory is around the corner!
AmigaONE News. : Comment 46 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga.org on 10-Jan-2003 00:50 GMT
The new Amiga is a complete joke,

TeronCX boards suck, if your going to make a "NEW" machine use latest technology instead of reject board,

I bet Eyetech are getting so excited now knowing they are making a hugh profit out of boards which are not fit to be put in the bin,

Use the word "NEW" on something important and impressive.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 47 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by I dont care on 10-Jan-2003 00:50 GMT
Teron boards, LOL.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 48 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 10-Jan-2003 07:54 GMT
Am i correct in thinking that isf the board takes multiple processors, when needed we can switch to ibm compatable, and can run lindows.Also the possibility is there that we can mix processors and have a dual intel / powerpc processor machine with amiga os running on both at once.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 49 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 10-Jan-2003 10:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (John Block):
No.
AmigaONE News. : Comment 50 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 10-Jan-2003 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Graham):
Why not?

Does a custom x86 cpu card require some different kind of pins or some extra pins that megarray socket does not provide?

(surely everybody knows that ArtisiaS works on both x86 and PPC CPUs)
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