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Posted on 14-Jan-2003 20:11 GMT by darklite (Edited on 2003-01-14 21:33:17 GMT by Christian Kemp)84 comments
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What could have been...

" Although this product will almost certainly never see the light of day (given the distinct lack of miracles in the current Amiga market), I have received numerous requests to provide a list of features of The Product Formerly Known As Amithlon2, or "Umilator". So here is that list." - Bernd Meyer

Also check out "Umiblog" - Bernd "Bernie" Meyer's random ramblings and weird wailings.

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Posted by darklite on 14-Jan-2003 19:13 GMT
woops, slight misplacement of the closing CITE tag
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Posted by Mekanix on 14-Jan-2003 19:25 GMT
AAARGH.... just rub more salt into the wounds...
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Posted by Thomas W on 14-Jan-2003 19:59 GMT
Bernd.
SERIOUSLY.

You really need to get this out there by any means necessary.
I'll lead the path in the firing line if I have to!
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Posted by TBone on 14-Jan-2003 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mekanix):
Took the words right outa my mouth!!

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH!!!!!!
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Posted by hgm on 14-Jan-2003 20:19 GMT
Yes indeed, ONLY AMIGA MAKES THIS POSSIBLE. LOL
If there is a 'winner', 'they' kill it! Imagine there is an application that generates MONEY!
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 14-Jan-2003 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (hgm):
Well, according to HJF there would have been no market for it...

(?!?)
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Posted by catohagen on 14-Jan-2003 20:37 GMT
please....drooling like a retard here.....this product HAS to be released !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by alan buxey on 14-Jan-2003 20:42 GMT
...as i've always thought , an Amiga emulator done properly
(i'm not sure whether this 'feature list' is just to rub
more insult to injury though....certainly this is the product to
buy and run on x86!!!)

for those that want to remain in the os3.x era I seriously
recommend this if you want speed....i'll take the os4.x route
and heavily lean towards apps ported for that

alan
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Posted by TBone on 14-Jan-2003 20:42 GMT
Hey, have you checked out the mouse over/help bubble when you hover over "hosted by boing.net"? ("we sell amithlon")

?
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Posted by Budda on 14-Jan-2003 20:59 GMT
Grrr. The debugger of dreams (under the Amithlon setup) so close, yet so far, far away now.... :-(
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 14-Jan-2003 21:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (alan buxey):
> ...as i've always thought , an Amiga emulator done properly
> i'm not sure whether this 'feature list' is just to rub
> more insult to injury though....certainly this is the product
> to buy and run on x86!!!)

Except that you can "buy and run" it. The feature list is not so much to rub salt in the woulds as to show what certain parties did not want the people to get, lest it made their efforts look pathetic.

It should be pointed out that these were not proposed features but completed ones. The "proposed features" list is something else entirely. :P

> for those that want to remain in the os3.x era I seriously
> recommend this if you want speed....i'll take the os4.x route
> and heavily lean towards apps ported for that

No point in recommending something that can't be bought. As for the OS 3.x - OS 4.0 thing, I remind you that Ben Hermans already said some of the OS4 modules were considered for licensing for Umilator use, so it would have become a sort of OS3/OS4 hybrid, giving developers a better chance of supporting both. Sadly, it's all in the "might have been" filing cabinet now.
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Posted by Per Larsson on 14-Jan-2003 22:43 GMT
Please. This is getting ridiculous. Every time I read about Umilator it just annoys me even more that I can't buy it. I'm actually pissed off at the way it was handled. I mean, it's _the_ killer Amiga emulator. It's everything Amithlon was supposed to be, and then some more. Arrgh...
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Posted by anonymous on 14-Jan-2003 22:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Bill Hoggett):
In the mean time, blame the team at H&P.
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Posted by Crumb on 14-Jan-2003 22:56 GMT
:_(
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Posted by KenH on 14-Jan-2003 23:05 GMT
If I'd done all that work I'd sure as hell wouldn't want to waste it. Think of it as your baby and let it out into the big bad world and watch it develop into a mean kick ass piece of software. I'd find that satisfying.
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 14-Jan-2003 23:25 GMT
That's quite the feature list! Very impressive. I think I've made my opinion on this matter pretty clear on previous occasions. I think right now all I can say is this: Bernd, perhaps it's time to forget about Umilator (unless your really think you can bring it to market) and perhaps consider porting OS4.0 to x86. You obviously have amazing talent, might as well keep doing what you do best! Although porting OS4, which is still unfinished, might be more work it could also be more rewarding. Just a thought.

- Mike
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 14-Jan-2003 23:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (TBone):
Oops --- that bubble-over is an oversight resulting from re-use of the "hosted by" graphics from the amithlon.net site.Scott is most certainly *not* selling Amithlon anymore, and hasn't for a long long time. My bad! Will be fixed in a minute, too :)
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 14-Jan-2003 23:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (TBone):
Oops --- that bubble-over is an oversight resulting from re-use of the "hosted by" graphics from the amithlon.net site.Scott is most certainly *not* selling Amithlon anymore, and hasn't for a long long time. My bad! Fixed.
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Posted by T_Bone on 14-Jan-2003 23:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Bill Hoggett):
> It should be pointed out that these were not proposed features but completed
> ones. The "proposed features" list is something else entirely. :P

Damnit Bill, you're such a tease!! :)
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Posted by T_Bone on 15-Jan-2003 00:11 GMT
What's REALLY dissapointing, is that this was my only hope of an Amiga Laptop!! the chances of someone developing a non-Apple POP PPC laptop AND being interested in an AmigaOS4 license is practically nill.
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Posted by Prang on 15-Jan-2003 02:11 GMT
Maybe I missed it or it just wasn't there, but I have yet to see the exact reason Bernie cannot release his own product with his own code. How can this be any business of H&P or his x partner. Is the code base for umilater not his?
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Posted by Rob on 15-Jan-2003 02:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (T_Bone):
What about Merlancia :)
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Posted by Roscos crispy chicken on 15-Jan-2003 03:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Rob):
Damn, is this what all the fuss was about. You internet nerds need to wake up. Maybe an x86 path would benefit you and your ageing hardware, but joe average won't care two canaries for it. Really, get over this ppl. OS5 is touted as cross platform, by that stage we're all going 64bit, so hopefully the Itanium will have scratched out the 16bit legacy shite, and look more appealing than the current x86 schmeg.
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Posted by amorel on 15-Jan-2003 04:26 GMT
Weblogs became much more popular when more and more tech people got fired. It`s definitely a sign of having lots of free time. It`s also a form of (nerd) exhibitionism imo. =)
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Posted by T_Bone on 15-Jan-2003 04:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Rob):
> What about Merlancia :)

Please.
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Posted by Some Farker on 15-Jan-2003 05:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Roscos crispy chicken):
How's that head injury coming? Still proscribing the halcyon are they?
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Posted by Jope on 15-Jan-2003 06:35 GMT
Snif.. :-(
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 15-Jan-2003 06:51 GMT
Why do you people care? We're an emulator poorer. Since when did we care about PC users and their emulation needs?
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Posted by T_Bone on 15-Jan-2003 07:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Iggy Drougge):
> Since when did we care about PC users and their emulation needs?

Since they were Amiga users, and their needs were real. My you really wish to alienate your fellow users! My desire for an Amiga laptop rubs you the wrong way somehow?
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Posted by Realist on 15-Jan-2003 07:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Iggy Drougge):
Since that's where 99% of former Amiga users are, and 99% of the one percent that remain have a foot planted.
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 15-Jan-2003 07:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Roscos crispy chicken):
And in the mean time... twiddle our thumbs?
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 15-Jan-2003 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (T_Bone):
How can they be fellow users and PC users at the same time? PC users are the enemy, I think we all can agree on that. Amiga users are our fellow users, I think we can agree on that, too.

As for an Amiga laptop, I'd really like one, too. Ooh, how I'd like one. Shame there isn't one, really. Wish MOS (I think OS4 would be out of the question by default, due to licencing) could be ported to Powerbooks.
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Posted by Don Cox on 15-Jan-2003 10:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Iggy Drougge):
"How can they be fellow users and PC users at the same time? PC users are the enemy, I think we all can
agree on that. Amiga users are our fellow users, I think we can agree
on that, too. "

Are Linux users "the enemy"?

How about Mac users?
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Posted by catohagen on 15-Jan-2003 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Iggy Drougge):
>PC users are the enemy

are you serious ? the users aint the enemy, the users are every companys
friend, buying their product.

Other OS companies are the enemy if any enemy needs to be pointed out, microsoft,
apple and even morphos.
Move those users over to the amiga platform, amithlon/umilator may help with that.
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Posted by tinman on 15-Jan-2003 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Iggy Drougge):
Oh no! I have a PC and an Amiga running at the same time. Oh, how I hate myself sometimes...
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jan-2003 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Iggy Drougge):
"PC users are the enemy, I think we all can agree on that."

And those of us using PCs, Macs AND Amigas - where exactly do we fit in to your pathetic little world Iggy?
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Posted by cv643d on 15-Jan-2003 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Iggy Drougge):
Hey Iggy,
I think its time for you to wake up and realize its 2003... not 1993
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Posted by Julian on 15-Jan-2003 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bill Hoggett):
How about a monthly lottery for a copy ?
This should bring in some revenue
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Posted by It's MEEEE!!! on 15-Jan-2003 13:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Bernd Meyer):
@ Bernd

How can you be not fighting for your work??

How can you let your work die??

Me cannot understand that.
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Posted by Jacek Rzeuski on 15-Jan-2003 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (T_Bone):
WinUAE makes perfect Amiga laptop from my machine.
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Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 15-Jan-2003 13:41 GMT
Have been more than satisfied with Amithlon.. so sad not to see update as I have missed a few of those features mentioned on list.

life is not worth living anymore
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Posted by It's MEEEE!!! on 15-Jan-2003 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Jacek Rzeuski):
WinUae latest revision only have two big problems!

Problem one: it runs on top of windows...

Problem two: it uses one of the worst GUI's available on any program on any computer platform. It's simply plain bad.
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Posted by Robert on 15-Jan-2003 16:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bill Hoggett):
Bill,

> Well, according to HJF there would have been no market for it...

I don't think he actually said there would be *NO* market for it.
IIRC he only raised questions about the size of the market.
Not like you to be so bitchy, Bill.

Robert.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 15-Jan-2003 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Robert):
@Robert

> I don't think he actually said there would be *NO* market for it.
> IIRC he only raised questions about the size of the market.

He did say he could not see how it could ever increase the size of the user base, and went to great lengths to explain how no PC user he knows would be interested in using AmigaOS on x86. I don't think there was much doubt about his meaning really.

> Not like you to be so bitchy, Bill.

Well, considering HJF decided to go into his usual sulk and blame the trolls - read: people who politely and respectfully challenged the wisdom of his views - I think I'm quite entitled to be bitchy. No one has a right to *claim* godlike wisdom, or to supress the right of free people to ask questions and examine motives. Not even the Friedens.

Being widely blamed for upsetting someone elses overinflated and oversensitive ego only makes it worse. Call me completely unrepentant. :/
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Posted by Don Cox on 15-Jan-2003 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Bill Hoggett):
"Being widely blamed for upsetting someone elses overinflated and oversensitive ego only makes it worse.
Call me completely unrepentant. :/"

The Friedens will be under a lot of stress at the moment, so the
occasional loss of temper can be forgiven, I think.

I lost my temper when that damned PDF file crashed my computer.
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Posted by Anony on 15-Jan-2003 17:56 GMT
Great a list of Vaporware features for a Vaporware product. I'm sure it'll run all Windows 2003 Server applications and Linux Apps at 1.5x speed of any comparable processor. This is JUNK! This isn't news but rumor mongering. Who care if it's never going to be available. Developers should SHIP not waste time on making references to something that's not going to occur!
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Posted by MarkTime on 15-Jan-2003 17:58 GMT
I don't care for Linux Amiga emulators that can't even run warpup/powerup apps.
If it had been a full emulation of an amiga then I would be more interested. I know the phase5 boards are expansion boards, but these expansion boards represented the official upgrade path (powerpc) on this platform for years.

I know, I know, but the brains behind all of these emulators....the team over at UAE hasn't yet done an emulation of the phase5 boards....well, so be it, but that would have made it interesting for me.
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Posted by JoannaK on 15-Jan-2003 19:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anony):
Well.. Amithlon DID appear once.. so it's essentially not all vaporware. But it's current status and looks for future is even less promicing than OS4's situation. At least Hyperion has team of people working to common goal and they seem not to have too many legal obstacles in way.
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Posted by Hammer on 15-Jan-2003 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Roscos crispy chicken):
>Damn, is this what all the fuss was about. You internet nerds need to wake >up. Maybe an x86 path would benefit you and your ageing hardware,

It benefits "software investment protection", this is important in the business world.

>but joe >average won't care two canaries for it. Really, get over this ppl. >OS5 is >touted as cross platform, by that stage we're all going 64bit, so >hopefully >the Itanium will have scratched out the 16bit legacy shite, and >look more >appealing than the current x86 schmeg.

In X86 world, “software investment protection” is very important, thus the X86 boat anchor will be here to stay. Note that 32bit software category is defined as legacy, not just 16bit stuff.

Note that, AMD's Athlon 64 and Opteron solution has fixed the 8 general register limit. It delivers benefits of future 64bit computing while offer leading edge X86-32bit performance i.e. "best of both world" computing.

CPU and motherboard distribution channels doesn’t grow on trees. Note there are +40 motherboard vendors for AMD Athlon 64 and Opteron platforms. Which is significant compared to Intel Itanium solution.

Then again, Intel has plans to do a major upgrade to the Pentium 4's core in ~2005. Current Itaniums only has a crap X86-32 compatibility, which doesn’t stop Intel in fixing it in the future releases.
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Posted by Hammer on 15-Jan-2003 21:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Iggy Drougge):
>How can they be fellow users and PC users at the same time?
>PC users are the enemy, I think we all can agree on that. Amiga users are >our fellow users, I think we can agree on that, too.

This kind of rhetoric doesn’t win an enemy or potential users. It only divides.
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