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Posted on 14-Jan-2003 20:11 GMT by darklite (Edited on 2003-01-14 21:33:17 GMT by Christian Kemp)84 comments
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What could have been...

" Although this product will almost certainly never see the light of day (given the distinct lack of miracles in the current Amiga market), I have received numerous requests to provide a list of features of The Product Formerly Known As Amithlon2, or "Umilator". So here is that list." - Bernd Meyer

Also check out "Umiblog" - Bernd "Bernie" Meyer's random ramblings and weird wailings.

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Posted by TBone on 15-Jan-2003 21:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Iggy Drougge):
> How can they be fellow users and PC users at the same time?

The same way you can be a Ford user and a Chevy user at the same time, I'll leave it to you to figure out how that's possible :/

> PC users are the enemy, I think we all can agree on that.

Oh for crying out loud! I don't agree. I have no enemies, and I think you have some antisocial issues. Are you militant about other products too? Do you wander the grocerie stores sizing up potential enemies based on which brands are dropped in their carts?

Are there any Amiga users left who's feet still touch the ground?
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Posted by Tony on 15-Jan-2003 21:47 GMT
People on here are clearly CLUELESS,

Amithlon was one of the best sold product in years, it gave Amiga shops some nice profit but oh no you people (or should the term be SCUM) have done nothing but chop down Meyer and Amithlon for ages and so you have WON,

I hope you people are proud of yourselfs.
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Posted by Tony on 15-Jan-2003 21:51 GMT
Just to add, i hope every god damn products for the future gets pirated and totally destroyed and lets see how you wonderfull Amiga users like it,

I for one will be pirating all Amiga software (even if i wont even use it).
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Posted by Peter on 15-Jan-2003 22:01 GMT
Tony,

your comments are over the top but i agree about Amithlon,

The Amiga community is over run with worshipers and dead beats who can not see a product which got thousands of people back to the Amiga,

I will not support any Amiga companies anymore, i will download all Amiga software now especially products by H&P.
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 15-Jan-2003 22:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Don Cox):
>Are Linux users "the enemy"?
>
>How about Mac users?

I don't know, but I say we bomb them!!! ;-)

I can't believe people are talking like this! There's no Enemy, they're just computer users. Some people are just too nerdy or something...

- Mike
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 15-Jan-2003 22:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (It's MEEEE!!!):
>Problem one: it runs on top of windows...

To me that's a plus. I like running two OSes at once. It's great for development as well as my favorite text editor is Textpad for windows and then I switch over to WinUAE and compile with SAS/C. I even run WinUAE in a little window. It's great, in fact I prefer it this way.

>Problem two: it uses one of the worst GUI's available on any program on any
>computer platform. It's simply plain bad.

huh?!? I always thought Imagine for the Amiga had the worst ever interface. WinUAE's GUI isn't that bad, it just has a ton of options. I think they did a decent job. Some better online help would be nice though.

- Mike
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 15-Jan-2003 23:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anony):
>Great a list of Vaporware features for a Vaporware product.I'll have to refer you to comment 11 --- these features are not vapour, they are fully implemented. As Bill said, if I wanted to list vapour, there would be much cooler stuff :)
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Posted by pixie on 16-Jan-2003 01:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (amorel):
"Weblogs became much more popular when more and more tech people got fired. It`s definitely a sign of having lots of free time. It`s also a form of (nerd) exhibitionism imo. =)"

Let's just say... I don't give sh*t about your opinion, Bernd Meyer has done more than you ever had for Amiga, and if he has having lot of free time I bet that isn't his fault, if you know what I mean... jmo =)
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Posted by pixie on 16-Jan-2003 01:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (MarkTime):
"I don't care for Linux Amiga emulators that can't even run warpup/powerup apps.
If it had been a full emulation of an amiga then I would be more interested. I know the phase5 boards are expansion boards, but these expansion boards represented the official upgrade path (powerpc) on this platform for years.

I know, I know, but the brains behind all of these emulators....the team over at UAE hasn't yet done an emulation of the phase5 boards....well, so be it, but that would have made it interesting for me."

So... what are you doing here, just nagging!?
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Posted by Marktime on 16-Jan-2003 02:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (pixie):
>>So what are you doing here, just nagging?

You noticed? :0)
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Posted by pixie on 16-Jan-2003 03:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Marktime):
>>So what are you doing here, just nagging?

>You noticed? :0)

Yeah baby, yeah!!! ;b
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Posted by T_Bone on 16-Jan-2003 07:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (MarkTime):
> I don't care for Linux Amiga emulators that can't even run warpup/powerup
> apps.

IMO the ability to run native x86 elf's blows this out of the water.
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Posted by Don Cox on 16-Jan-2003 08:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Mike Veroukis):
The Imagine interface is much improved these days, especially on a
high resolution screen.

I think the worst interface was Interchange, a 3D object conversion
program. (The actual conversions were good.)
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Posted by Anonymous on 16-Jan-2003 09:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Bernd Meyer):
Yeah yeah.

Fact is, this "product" IS vaporware.

It doe snot exist in any form available to its target market.

It is vapor.

Pure and simple.

Of course, given it doesn't and never will exist in a general release, it makes it easy for you and BillH to make all sorts of wild claims about what it woudl have been able to do, with no way of anyone every being able to find out for real how accurate those statements are.

(OTOH, there is also no reason to doubt the accuracy of the statements either. Just no way to know one way or the other, which makes this entire thread pointless.)

But fact is, it is vapor.
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 16-Jan-2003 12:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
Well, it's a damn solid form of vapour, then.Bill has got his betatester copy, as does Lasse. AmigaInc have theirs, and it is my understanding that Extreme Computing even demoed this stuff at last year's AmiWest.The people of AUG (one of the Melbourne Amiga user groups) have seen this on numerous occassions throughout its development.And last but not least, *if* a miracle occurrs and "they" agree to have it released, I'd look quite stupid if those features weren't there, now wouldn't I?
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 16-Jan-2003 12:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Don Cox):
> I lost my temper when that damned PDF file crashed my computer.

Hardly a PDF file can crash anything... you should rather blame the reader you used.
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Posted by Anonymous on 16-Jan-2003 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Bernd Meyer):
Fact is, it *is* vapor until it is actually available.

Check the standard definitions of vaporware for yourself if you disbelieve.

It has been announced but it is not available, ergo it is vaporware.

Now, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist in some form, even a completed-and-ready-to-sell form; that is it not available is what makes it vapor. If "they" change their minds and let you sell it, then it will cease to be vapor.
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Posted by It's MEEEE on 16-Jan-2003 15:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
Shut up Harald!
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Posted by MonkeyOS on 16-Jan-2003 15:40 GMT
Someone cut off HF's ballsack and be done with it!
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Posted by Paul on 16-Jan-2003 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (MarkTime):
>I don't care for Linux Amiga emulators that can't even run
>warpup/powerup apps.

Why on earth would you want to emulate PPC apps? There isn't any PPC decent software!
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Posted by KenH on 16-Jan-2003 21:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (MonkeyOS):
You're assuming he has one?
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Posted by pixie on 16-Jan-2003 23:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
"Fact is, it *is* vapor until it is actually available.

Check the standard definitions of vaporware for yourself if you disbelieve.

It has been announced but it is not available, ergo it is vaporware.

Now, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist in some form, even a completed-and-ready-to-sell form; that is it not available is what makes it vapor. If "they" change their minds and let you sell it, then it will cease to be vapor."

Cut with the crap, you aren't talking with half brained people... it's a fact that those features were already implemented and only because legal reasons the product Umilator wasn't released to the public...

I really don't know what do you want to prove with this ridiculous claims... if any
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 17-Jan-2003 03:10 GMT
Microsoft is a lousy company making lousy products for a sub-standard platform. While that is a problem for those concerned, I don't concern me with that platform, and logic dictates that Microsoft should fold sometime around 1987. They produce shite and have agendas only rivalled by the Amiga boss, McEwen or whatever he calls himself, but that is their problem. I can't dislike people or even companies just on the basis of their bad products.
People who support those products, OTOH, are the enemy. Microsoft isn't a self-contained entity, just like any government it is dependent on the people. I dislike the people who choose the bad product over the better one, since it puts those of us using the good product in an under-dog position. It's the consumers' fault, not Microsoft's. They're just a company, and for everything bad they've done throughout the years, that doesn't suffice to give them the power they hold. They've earned their power from every person out there who's bought a PC.
I think I'm in my full right to regard PC people as bad people, since they're directly contributing to the further consolidation of Microsoft's stronghold on the computer industry.
I do what I can to make the Amiga a useful computer and the computer world a bit more diverse. PC people work against this noble cause.
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Posted by DruggedBunny on 17-Jan-2003 13:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Iggy Drougge):
But, Iggy, you're clearly an idiot. Jay Miner was only involved directly in designing the A1000 -- I hope that's what you're using.
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Posted by Xeyes on 17-Jan-2003 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (DruggedBunny):
Is it me or have 15 or so messages dissappeared from the end of this thread?
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Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jan-2003 07:34 GMT
My God.

You can tell how bad the Amiga situation is when a long time troll like meyer is considered a hero, building his work on stolen kickstart ROM, and haking an open source emulator.

You people should get a clue and support UAE project instead.
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Posted by Anonymous on 18-Jan-2003 07:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Iggy Drougge):
Iggy, you and your likes are what killed the Amiga.
Grow up, you idiot, it is this childish attitude and Microsoft conspiracy bullshit that left the Amgia behind having just bunch of idiots like you as users.

While you are sitting here whining about what Microsoft is doing, they just spilt the stocks and posted profits that beat Wall street for the billionth time, you idiot.

You even have the nerve to lable PC users as bad people, I guess you are an exmaple of what is left in the Amiga scene, the scum like you.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 18-Jan-2003 08:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Anonymous):
Hello Steve.
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Posted by Jope on 18-Jan-2003 08:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Anonymous):
Some people are just so stubborn.

Please leave us alone and go back to whatever rock you crawled under. Amithlon/Umilator isn't sold any more, so I guess you should be happy. Now please die.
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Posted by Bernd Meyer on 18-Jan-2003 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Anonymous):
Congratulations --- posting from the machine that hosts www.barelyteens.net bestowes upon you you such moral authority and credibility....
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 19-Jan-2003 19:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Anonymous):
Did you even read what I wrote?Did I ever write anything about M$ conspiracies? No, quite the opposite. I did not put any particular blame on Mr. Gates. I put the blame on you, and that is why you seem to feel so offended.As for nerve, I have neither called you and idiot, nor scum, though you are certainly doing your best to prove that you are.
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 19-Jan-2003 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (DruggedBunny):
I am using an A4000. I have never met, nor mentioned Jay Miner. I do know that he liked the A4000, though.Now, what do you use?
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Posted by pixie on 20-Jan-2003 10:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Anonymous):
"You can tell how bad the Amiga situation is when a long time troll like meyer is considered a hero, building his work on stolen kickstart ROM, and haking an open source emulator."

Stirring sh*t against the wind can be a very prejudicial to your health you know!? Where do you find a stolen kickstart ROM? Not on *Bernies work*, more quite on H&P's contract...

At least is what Amiga Inc. says... and I think they know more about it then you...
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Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 22-Jan-2003 10:00 GMT
Actually I have come to a conclusion that people at Amiga Inc doesnt know jack's shit.
This has been proven so many times in past years .. one tells this and the other one tells that .. and I'm not even sure whether its worth to believe neither of them :)
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