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Daniel Miller wrote few short show reports from CES where Genesi attended. You can read them here and here.
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Posted by Robert on 15-Jan-2003 13:08 GMT
"For the better part of two days, I was surrounded by and using 7 or so Pegasoses
running a variety of programs on MorphOS and I did not see a single crash,
or in fact any glitch at all really."

Nice. Good to see they are stable.

Robert
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Posted by Leo on 15-Jan-2003 14:59 GMT
Hi,<br>
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<br>
Nothing *REALLY* new ? No announcements ? still nothing about a choosen path ?
<br>
Regards,
Leo.
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Posted by Gregg on 15-Jan-2003 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Leo):
Feeling the cold today, Leo?

Gregg
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Posted by Anonymous on 15-Jan-2003 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Leo):
>Nothing *REALLY* new ? No announcements ? still nothing about a choosen path ?

I find it pretty refreshing, really. A tangible product on display and on sale (even if a bit backlogged) for the masses to see. That's a novel concept within the Amiga community. :-) Huge announcements we've had plenty.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 15-Jan-2003 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Leo):
> still nothing about a choosen path ?

What do you mean by that?
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Posted by anonymous on 15-Jan-2003 19:05 GMT
<yawn>

All feathers and no chicken. Sounds like the reaction was at best indifferent.
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Posted by greenboy on 15-Jan-2003 19:56 GMT
> still nothing about a choosen path ?

as takemehomegrandma asks, please clarify what you are asking.

> <yawn>
>All feathers and no chicken. Sounds like the reaction was at best indifferent.

Actually the reaction was positive from several different sectors. There was interest from OEMs and solutions providers who saw the Pegasos main board and Psylent as potential platforms for their services and products. I expect to see at least some of this expressed interest finalized in signed deals that will result in large-scale placements.

Then too, consumers who fit the early adopter profile - many of whom were previously Amiga resellers or enthusiasts came by and got to play with machines. To them this was much better than reading feature lists and stumbling through specs because they were able to SEE how fast and responsive the MorphOS/Pegasos platform is, and how well games and applications look and perform even when multiple screens and windows were being used.

I myself was happy to load multiple applications and games and demos and see the machine interacting with my input without stumbling or feeling dragged down, with nary a crash or system requester indicating problems. The fact that all the hardware got hammered in overseas shipping and during customs inspections that would have brought many machines to their knees made this all the more revealing.

My hat is off to Gerald Carda and all the others who made this possible. The Pegasos mainboard is a piece of art that in spite of 6 months of Mai's poor field testing for its chips, ran fast and flawlessly. The software sat on top of it and did what it was supposed to with real panache. I see the platform enjoying a future of growth - people who came by definitely had enthusiasm and couldn't get enough!

The chicken? Save for dead ones taking a dive in Birdie Shoot, it is very much alive.
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Posted by Budda on 15-Jan-2003 20:17 GMT
I'm still finding it hard to believe that Voyager didn't crash on the system for the weekend?! Are we missing something in the land of 68k Amigas....? :)
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Posted by greenboy on 15-Jan-2003 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Budda):
buddha, there is *that* ; }

very few exhibitors ANYWHERE had access to online internet at the booths. this was indeed cause for powerful utterances of behind-closed-doors cursing {;} at times, as much data had to be shuttled around to various other locations during the course of the show in order to upload and download various data.
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Posted by Daniel Miller on 15-Jan-2003 21:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Budda):
Budda, like Greenboy says, there was no Internet access at the booth so Voyager was limited to accessing pages on the hard-drive. There was some informational stuff set up to view that way, but Voyager did not see all that much use at CES.
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Posted by tony on 15-Jan-2003 21:43 GMT
It is stange to not seeing a single during a weekend with voyager, because as i'm registered, using the last update like most of all previous releases of voyager, i cant' use it more then some minutes before it crashes :(unfortunely i have experiented that with all last releases of voyager.I hope next releases will be more useable like Ibrowse and Aweb that crashes very few compared to V3.We want a stable version of voyager for 68k !!! i have paied for getting a software to work and not a buggy unuseable internet browser.sincerely
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Posted by tired on 15-Jan-2003 22:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (tony):
.123 is very stable here
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Posted by Kjetil on 15-Jan-2003 22:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (tony):
How about an Q/Box version or an OS4.0 version on that do not bring the
Amiga/Pegasus Down every time it crash
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Posted by Leo on 16-Jan-2003 01:31 GMT
Here we go:

They have built a new PPC motherboard which runs Linux and Morphos: ok, for
that... but: what MARKETS are they targetting ? and WHAT are they ready to
do for that ? (in terms of advertising, software and hardware development,...)

It's that simple...

I thought that after the show we could learn something about it... Obviously I was wrong ;)

Regards,
Nogfx.

PS: Also, why doesn't anyone answer to the emails I have sent to them ?
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Posted by greenboy on 16-Jan-2003 02:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Leo):
>They have built a new PPC motherboard which runs Linux and Morphos: ok, for
that... but: what MARKETS are they targetting ? and WHAT are they ready to
do for that ? (in terms of advertising, software and hardware development,...)

Obviously they have been steadily advertising in the Amiga community (see ANN banners for instance, and look elsewhere as well). And they have astablished a presence at a remarkable number of user group demonstrations and shows as well as having gone to wider-interest shows of which CES is one - with many more to follow. They have already connected with developers for specific titles and niches, but I feel better about letting them announce any that have not yet been announced.

What markets are they targetting? Probably they are interested and investigating any market that they feel their products are a good fit for, and according to demand. That's largely why they went to CES: to strike out in new directions, to see what interest there is, to consolidate their findings. I'm sorry I can't be more specific, but that is the nature of business for an emerging platform with several products.


>It's that simple... I thought that after the show we could learn something about it... Obviously I was wrong ;)

Hmmm. I thought it was generally pretty easy to understand what has been said lately, and the information that has been added recently. I understand your further curiosity but I suspect that the specific details of what has been finalized and what is YET to be finalized will appear when Genesi sees the time is right. We can only be patient, I think...

>PS: Also, why doesn't anyone answer to the emails I have sent to them ?

Perhaps they have five hundred+ emails stacked up during/after the show and would also like to get a few hours of sleep after working around the clock leading up to and during and after the show? ; }
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Posted by mahen on 16-Jan-2003 07:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (tony):
Here V doesn't crash either since the last version.
(pegasos/MOS)

Dunno why it still has problems on some 68k setups...
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Posted by MrSarcasm on 16-Jan-2003 08:18 GMT
From the comments on Daniels item:

" Ok, everything have been beautifull and exciting for all lucky people that have been there. But now dear Bill how do you thing that all us people that are waiting for our ordered (in October) Pegasoses will finally have one!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
We are too too too annoyed to wait more. Everyweek there is a new reason to delay the shipping, now we are almost in February and another fair has passed.
Please NOW give us the Pegaoses!!! Otherwise all this 'publicity' that Genesi is giveing itself all round the world will be really useless.
I spoke with the german Dealer that 'you know very well' and he confirm me that he has received NO answer from you to all its mails sent from 1th January to now.
Do you thing that me, like all others, will be able to have my Pegasos before I can cancel another mounth on my calendar!?!?
Maybe if I have had ordered a Ferrari's car I would have waited less"

Previously unpublicised delays? Should this be made "News" like the Amiga.org comment?
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Jan-2003 09:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (MrSarcasm):
I think that one origins from www.morphos-news.de (under "More impressions from CES 2003 in Las Vegas"). There are answeres to the above comment over there.

I believe that the delay *some* people experiances (others actually got their Pegasoses) is due to the fact that they had to go back to the plant and make new Pegasos mobos with April's (to correct the Articia bugs). And then came the holidays. And then came CES.

Genesi is still a small company after all, and it's perhaps somewhat difficult to meet the growing demand of Pegasos mobos at the same time as they have to debug/patch the Articia and go back to the production plant, at the same time as they are celebrating holidays with their families, at the same time as they are preparing for the biggest trade show in the world. If Genesi were IBM then this situation would perhaps make it justified for people to moan. But they are not that big (yet, hehe), so if you want a Pegasos you should get in the line instead of standing besides and watching it grow.

I am sure that they will increase the production volume soon though, when other things are calming down.
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Posted by Ketzer on 16-Jan-2003 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (takemehomegrandma):
And if Genesi were AmigaInc they would get bashed in so called "news" items because of that.
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Posted by mahen on 16-Jan-2003 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ketzer):
I don't think so. That's definitely not comparable...
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Posted by mahen on 16-Jan-2003 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (mahen):
... but yes, adding april to the MBs implied annoying delays, to be
objective.
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Posted by Anonymous on 16-Jan-2003 10:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (mahen):
It most certainly is.

What really annoys me is that the Pegasos/MorphOS combo sounds like a better deal all the time. Yet I won't get it out of principle, because the guys behind it have been acting like b*stards. Some are of course blind to this fact, but most people will know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, integrity is a hard thing to come by these days. But for me it's AOS4 or nothing.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Jan-2003 10:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Ketzer):
Please don't confuse Genesi with Amiga Inc. Genesi develops it's own products (both HW and SW), Genesi delivers those products (but not yet in desired quantaties), Genesi is *very* active in marketing their products and showing it off (both in the community and by spreading the "Amiga experiance" outside the community, last at CES - the biggest trade show of them all), Genesi is active in supporting developers, user groups and the community, and Genesi have an exciting future path and the ambition, power and resources to actually accomplish that ...

Amiga Inc has done virtually nothing in those years they have owned the brand, except rebranding the TAO software as "Amiga" (and blurring the before so clear values of the "Amiga" brand by doing so), putting up promises, breaking promises, putting up new promises, breaking the new promises, selling coupons to it's most dedicated brand followers with new promises, breaking those promises (and robbing their most dedicated brand followers on the money), suddenly their offices were empty and their phones were dead without any explanation. Well, to be honest, they have actually accomplished *something* in all those years; they recently released a pack of other peoples puzzle-type-of-games for Micro$oft PDA:s. Very "Amiga"! And have anyone seen it for sale anywhere?

Genesi delivers and keeps it's promises.
Amiga Inc does none of the above.

Do you really think it's *THAT* strange that some people (me included) kicks at AmigaInc's arse once in a while, but at the same time leaves Genesi's arse alone?
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Posted by mahen on 16-Jan-2003 10:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
What are you refering to ?
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Jan-2003 10:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
> What really annoys me is that the Pegasos/MorphOS combo sounds like a better
> deal all the time.

That is perhaps because people actually have experiance from that combo?

> Yet I won't get it out of principle, because the guys behind it have been
> acting like b*stards. Some are of course blind to this fact,

I partly agree on that. But I am not buying "the guys", I am buying their products. And can you *really* say that officials from Hyperion and Eyetech are *any* better? Dom är alla lika goda kålsupare, IMHO ...
;-)

> Anyway, integrity is a hard thing to come by these days. But for me it's AOS4
> or nothing.

Then it's good for you that it will be available soon. Was it March? I might try OS4 too, but *only* if Hyperion releases it for the Pegasos. Nothing in the whole wide world would be able to bring me to put money in one of those Teron/A1 mobos (but that is of course just my oppinion) ...
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Posted by Jack Me on 16-Jan-2003 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (takemehomegrandma):
Do you really think it's *THAT* strange that some people (me included) kicks at AmigaInc's arse once in a while, but at the same time leaves Genesi's arse alone?

LOL. You leave Genesi's arse alone? You live up there don't you.;)
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Posted by Don Cox on 16-Jan-2003 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (mahen):
"Here V doesn't crash either since the last version.
(pegasos/MOS)

Dunno why it still has problems on some 68k setups..."

Some people are running it in AGA, which it doesn`t like. Others are running on P96, which seems to be more buggy than CGFX.
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Posted by tarbos on 16-Jan-2003 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (takemehomegrandma):
>at the same time as they are preparing for the biggest trade show in the world. You mean CeBIT 2003?
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Posted by Leo on 16-Jan-2003 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (greenboy):
Hi

"Perhaps they have five hundred+ emails stacked up during/after the show and would also like to get a few hours of sleep after working around the clock leading up to and during and after the show? ; }"

Maybe they should hire someone to do that job in this case...

Regards,
Leo.
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Posted by tarbos on 16-Jan-2003 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (takemehomegrandma):
>Nothing in the whole wide world would be able to bring me to put money in one>of those Teron/A1 mobos Not even dual-G4 A1 with limited-SMP-support OS4? :-DWait, I forgot about their good Matrox connections and the amazing Parhelia drivers!
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Posted by Leo on 16-Jan-2003 14:24 GMT
Hi,

By "advertising", I mean something more important than putting two or three
banners on Amiga Only news sites... They'll have to do a lot more I'm afraid...

Regards,
Leo.
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Posted by Ketzer on 16-Jan-2003 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (takemehomegrandma):
Thats just your selective perception. Nothing personal, but some peoples post history (including yours) is part of the reason why I wont even consider a pegasos.
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Posted by mahen on 16-Jan-2003 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ketzer):
Some people think the same about the other side too...

Now, it's a new different company, why not give it a chance ?
I mean, it's not just a particular person who determines the whole
story... There are many persons who did great things in it too...

Why not just consider the products themselves ?
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Posted by Anonymous on 16-Jan-2003 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ketzer):
Ok, Pegasos is a serious computer for serious folks anyway - nothing for peoplewho play "their followers pissed me off in a forum and now I won't buy nothingfrom THEM anymore" games.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Jan-2003 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ketzer):
> Thats just your selective perception.

OK Ketzer, then can YOU please compare Amiga Inc to Genesi the way it really is! PLEASE share *your* marvellous objective perception with the rest of us.

> Nothing personal, but some peoples post history (including yours) is part of
> the reason why I wont even consider a pegasos.

I am becoming a little curious here. What do you mean with my post(ing) history? Care to elaborate a little? Care to put up some objective examples? Or is it perhaps *your* subjective perception that's talking here?

I am terribly disappointed with Amiga Inc. In fact, I don't really like them at all! In my "subjective" view they have not delivered anything *of importance* since the company was founded, except than broken promises and lies. Even a coupon *scam*(!!). If you don't like what I am saying - is it because "that evil takemehomegrandma allways twists the truth with his subjective perception", or is it perhaps that this is what the objecitve reality really looks like, and you are blaiming me for pointing that out?

BTW, please feel free to buy whatever you want! Nothing personal, but I don't really care!

(I am sorry if my tone sounds rude here. I noticed that when I read this post through before posting it. It was not meant to be. I'm tired after a tough day.)
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Posted by mahen on 16-Jan-2003 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (takemehomegrandma):
Yep, quarrels won't lead anywhere...
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Posted by greenboy on 16-Jan-2003 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Leo):
>By "advertising", I mean something more important than putting two or three
banners on Amiga Only news sites... They'll have to do a lot more I'm afraid...

So of course they should go straight from A, to Z, without any of the intermediary steps. Right.

But actually they are dealing with the intermediary steps right now like most small but growing companies do: going to trade shows to establish a presence and make contacts, etc. They are incorporating in other parts of the world, establishing ditributor and dealer/reseller channels, all the things they must have before advertising in the biggest magazines and on prime time TV is of much value.

Get it?


>>"Perhaps they have five hundred+ emails stacked up during/after the show and would also like to get a few hours of sleep after working around the clock leading up to and during and after the show? ; }"

>Maybe they should hire someone to do that job in this case...

And then train them to be able to be able to read the minds of the person resonsible for that area. Then they can answer as if they WERE the person responsible for that area. Right.

Or. You could just grow some patience.

Alternately, maybe they don't answer you because your past emails have established some sort of nuisance pattern? I'm not saying this is true, but companies like individuals must set priorities on what they do with their time.
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Posted by greenboy on 16-Jan-2003 16:30 GMT
For anyone wondering what the difference is between Genesi and some companies:

http://www.genesisupport.com/show_image.php?id=16

They also had polo shirts, posters, brochures and product sheets - and PRODUCTS.

There is a shortage of machines at the present though. Thank shows, holidays, and especially, Mai, for that. I gave up the machine I had coming so that a developer could have one earlier. But this is a matter of weeks and not years, so I guess I have developed the patience. </dry>
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Posted by Leo on 16-Jan-2003 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (greenboy):
Hi

> Alternately, maybe they don't answer you because your past emails have established some sort of nuisance pattern? I'm not saying this is true, but companies like individuals must set priorities on what they do with their time.

Do you re
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Posted by Leo on 16-Jan-2003 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (greenboy):
Hi

> Alternately, maybe they don't answer you because your past emails have established some sort of nuisance pattern? I'm not saying this is true, but companies like individuals must set priorities on what they do with their time.

1. Do you really think developpers manifesting themselves to work on Pegasos/Morphos
represent such a nuisance ? Are there so many ?

2. Don't you think that one person at least here at Thendic should be able to
deal with these sort of mails at anytime, be the CEO at CES or wherever ?

3. If developpers are not in their priorities, I don't understand anything...

Anyway, simply because I cannot get any answer with Thendic, I'm gonna contact
Hyperion/OS4 team right now... I hope other interested developpers have had
more luck than I did...

Regards,
Nogfx.
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Posted by Leo on 16-Jan-2003 16:43 GMT
> So of course they should go straight from A, to Z, without any of the intermediary steps. Right.

I never said nor meant they should do that...

The only thing I wanted to know is if they WANTED to do more advertising
(sooner or later...) and if they had the ressources to do that...

Regards,
Leo.
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Posted by bbrv on 16-Jan-2003 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Leo):
Hi, we are in NY focused on our other Company. We have been here since CES. We just read this thread and see many issues raised that need answers. We will put something comprehensive here later today or tomorrow.

About communication: we just hired a new management team for Genesi. They started on 7 January. The CES Team returned to France yesterday. You can read about the new management team at www.crossbee.com. We return Sunday to Paris. We will be busy answering emails soon. Also, www.pegasos-usa.com has been vastly expanded -- check out the "support" section.

Lastly, we confirmed delivery of 400 "old" Articias yesterday with Mai. We will be applying the April to these chips as soon as we get them. Things are fine with Mai, we met with them at CES.

Best regards,
Raquel and Bill
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Posted by dammy on 16-Jan-2003 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Leo):
If you will remember, Genesi just hired a management team to reorganize the company. They've been at it for a week, so cut them a break till they can get their collective stuff together under a working model.

Dammy
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Posted by David Scheibler on 16-Jan-2003 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Leo):
>2. Don't you think that one person at least here at Thendic should be able to
>deal with these sort of mails at anytime, be the CEO at CES or wherever ?

The email was sent to Bill and Raquel directly. It's quite unusual that Emails
directed to a CEO of a company are being answered by other people. The email
was not sent to ceo@ or something but to Bill and Raquel's private email
account at Genesi. At least I would wonder if I sent an email directly CEO of
any bigger company and got it answered by someone else instead.
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Posted by bbrv on 16-Jan-2003 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (David Scheibler):
P.S. Please post said email here (or resend)...;-)

We do not have it on this computer.

Thanks,
R&B
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Posted by greenboy on 16-Jan-2003 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Leo):
>Do you really think developpers manifesting themselves to work on Pegasos/Morphos represent such a nuisance ? Are there so many ?

Woah. I have no idea what you may have written in emails. Absolutely none. So don't attempt to put words in my mouth. From all I've seen it's pretty obvious that Genesi and bPlan and MorphOS teams have high regard for active developers. That's one of the reasons I think they will survive and grow.


>2. Don't you think that one person at least here at Thendic should be able to
deal with these sort of mails at anytime, be the CEO at CES or wherever ?

Again: I have no idea who you sent emails to. I have no idea what the contents of those emails were, or if they were clear enough to be understood. Again, my experience has been that most things I've communicated about with anyone in the Genesi companies have been quickly addressed, though a few took longer. And so, I attempted to exercise patience, and not inundate them with multiples. And this made information flow better for all concerned because I wasn't filling up their mailboxes because of a shortage of that commodity.

Actually though, leading up to CES every email was answered in less than a day.


>3. If developpers are not in their priorities, I don't understand anything...

Perhaps you need to make your wording of communications clearer and not assume that everybody knows you are a developer. So often people are inundated with too much data, too much to filter unless the communications are focused. If you neglect to mention KEY parts because you assume everybody will know you will have problems.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 16-Jan-2003 17:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Leo):
Most people send to the bbrv@ address, it's their personal email address.
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Posted by Ketzer on 16-Jan-2003 18:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (takemehomegrandma):
> Or is it perhaps *your* subjective perception that's talking here?

Ofcourse its subjective, its my opinion after all.
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Posted by anonymous on 16-Jan-2003 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (greenboy):
Oh gawd, Greenboy? Still sucking and blowing?

Whats next? Dan Lutz?
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Posted by gary_c on 17-Jan-2003 00:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (anonymous):
anonymous wrote:

> Oh gawd

Why is it this spelling always brings to mind a sweaty Palm Springs matron? Well, the image isn't inappropriate -- you're equally clueless.

-- gary_c
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