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Posted on 23-Jan-2003 10:02 GMT by Nick D (Edited on 2003-01-23 11:37:42 GMT by Christian Kemp)95 comments
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The title says it all really... There is an interesting Amiga article on the frontpage of top tech site ExtremeTech. It's by Olin Wread and covers the history of the Amiga (which most people on ANN know all about), but it also tells the wider world about the new systems. Not that flattering though.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 1 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Nick D on 23-Jan-2003 09:04 GMT
Sorry, didn't link properly. It's at www.ExtremeTech.com.

Nick.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 2 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by EmGee on 23-Jan-2003 09:23 GMT
I'm affraid that the writer of this article is right about the future of the AOne. If there will not be any special, AONe ONLY, application which stands out of the crowd (whatever kind), i believe within one year of it's release the AOne will not be anymore. And the Amiga platform finaly dies.
If commodore never died, the Amiga would have evolved as a alternative platform like Linux now does. But this is not the case, I'm sorry.
A computer with a 1000 hardcore users, is NOT a viable platform. Face it.
I wich it would be otherwise :(
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 3 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Nick D on 23-Jan-2003 09:48 GMT
Thanks for editing with proper link, Christian. I'll get it right next time!

I agree with you EmGee, as much as it would be nice for such relative mainstream coverage of the Amiga to be more positive, I think the author was fair. Amiga OS4 needs new software to be successful at all IMO. But this has been said a million times already, and which comes first, the OS or the software? (Chicken & egg etc)
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 4 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Jan-2003 09:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (EmGee):
Actually 1000 hardcore users is by far too pessimistic.

Some people really need to move away from the notion that the A1 and OS 4 projects are intended to recapture the desktop market.

This is silly and won't happen.

I've said it many times already: it will be a niche market.

Primary targets for the A1/OS 4 combination are as follows:

1. current userbase
2. nostalgia freaks (look at the Commodore One)
3. tech freaks who want a new toy to play around with
4. certain embedded markets where small footprint, responsiveness (RTOS like), very short booting time are key.

This includes video-editing Cassablance type devices but also kiosk systems and dare I say it, STB's.

In any event, the A1 hardware will certainly live on as it's being anyway for different markets.

So I don't share the pessimism that it will disappear any time soon but I do caution against unrealistic expectations.
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Posted by Sam Smith on 23-Jan-2003 09:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (EmGee):
Commodore was always going to die. With their management it is a good thing that it happened sooner than later. The Amiga had to break away from C to stand any sort of a chance and the earlier the better.

The article 'not that flattering'? It's perfectly acceptable. Well balanced and showing exactely what a multi-million to one shot the Amiga has of success. Which is much more than it ever stood with Commodore in charge and better than nothing!

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Sam
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Posted by Nick D on 23-Jan-2003 09:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Most realistic people appreciate what you said about A1/OS4's primary targets, but nevertheless, it seems surprising that you are so confident that this will generate enough in the way of sales to promote further development of the platform. Just out of interest Ben, about how many people do you think still use an Amiga at all?
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 7 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Jan-2003 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Nick D):
A very tough question and nobody has more than ballparks figures.

Let me elaborate a bit more.

We need to clearly differentiate between the A1 hardware and OS 4.x.

The A1 hardware will always be developed and produced as long as Mai exists.

Why? Because this hardware is used in different markets (Linux) and as evaluation systems for the Articia chipsets which are delivered to prospective customers.

Mai is a well-funded company with a long track-record so I have no fears there whatsoever.

Turning to OS 4.

It's clear that Hyperion already absorbed quite substantial development costs for the past year or so.

Even if it would be a poor seller, it would be unwise of us economically to let it die at 4.0 and not sell further upgrades to the existing userbase in an attempt to recuperate development costs.

If you subsequently factor in the passion the OS 4 developers have for the platform, I'd say we won't see OS 4 development ending any time soon although the speed and depth of the OS development will be directly related to the revenues generated by sales.

Turning to apps and games.

There is first of all the existing base of applications and games.

Sure, some are aging and no longer in development but some are still real gems which you can pick up at an excellent price compared to other platforms.

Things like Pagestream, Photogenics, Audio Evolution, ProStation Audio, Image FX ...

Secondly, it's clear that more apps will need to return to the platform.

This is why we for instance licensed Realsoft, the successor of Real3D.

More of this type of deals will need to be struck.

I don't think the situation is as desperate as some might think because in my estimation you don't need 4 different image processing packages, 3 different office suites and 5 different 3D modeling and rendering packages.

Rebuilding the platform will take some time, we've never said otherwise.

But Hyperion and the OS 4 developers are in it for the long haul.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 8 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jan-2003 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"4. certain embedded markets where small footprint, responsiveness (RTOS like), very short booting time are key.
This includes video-editing Cassablance type devices but also kiosk
systems and dare I say it, STB's. "

Being able to switch off without a shut down procedure is a big
advantage in these markets.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 9 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jan-2003 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"Rebuilding the platform will take some time, we've never said
otherwise. "

We should think in terms of "convalescence" for the next 2 or 3 years,
IMO.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 10 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Jan-2003 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
Exactly.

And this feature has been preserved in OS 4 even when VM is enabled.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 11 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Jan-2003 10:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Don Cox):
Absolutely.

You'd be amazed however what amount of work can be done in 2 years with a dedicated team.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 12 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by EmGee on 23-Jan-2003 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ok Ben,
1000 HC users is maybe a bit too low, but even 20.000 is nothing compared to the millions of PC/PS2/XbOX users.
And if those 4 primary targets are the users you aim for at first, that's ok by me.
But that's not the aim most users hope for. They want there "A500" back!
And I know it takes a while to grow to that scale, the A1000 didn't sell that well either for Amiga until the A500/A2000 came along.
But isn't Amiga a little bit too late for those markets too ? I mean there are other big players in those areas too I suppose.

I must admit, I turned to the Win camp in 1996, but since 2000/2001 I'm following the Amiga news again and I'm eager to return. But I get dissapointed time after time when lots of postponing and not delivered promises. Luckily you guys jumped in for the OS and Eyetech for the Hardware. It looks promising and professional. Let's hope you truly ressurect the Amiga, but will it turn back to all it's glory like the 'golden'era (1989-1993)? I believe not, but please prove me wrong.

Sincere greatings,
EmGee
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 13 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by EmGee on 23-Jan-2003 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (EmGee):
Damn, another typo

Greatings should read GREETINGS (and wich should be WISH)
Sorry bout that.

Sincere GREETINGS
EmGee
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 14 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jan-2003 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
There is a colossal difference in the productivity of excellent
programmers versus average programmers.

A small team of excellent programmers can beat a very large team of
average and mediocre programmers. The large team spend most of their
time trying to coordinate their efforts and work around each others'
mistakes. And fighting the management.

The trick is to keep the team very small, and to make sure the
software modules are truly independent of one another, so that A can
work on fooA.bar without worrying about changes B is making to
fooB.bar.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 15 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Nick D on 23-Jan-2003 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Thanks for your reply Ben.

Interesting. I definitely agree the platform doesn't need a multitude of different applications of the same type, at least not in the beginning. Gradual growth for the new Amiga platform as a whole seems possible, as long as people don't expect AOS4 to be able to trigger an instant return of people to the Amiga in vast numbers.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 16 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by EmGee on 23-Jan-2003 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Nick D):
An OS doesn't bring back people, unique applications/games do. Also an attractive price as well great performance do.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 17 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 23-Jan-2003 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (EmGee):
'But isn't Amiga a little bit too late for those markets too ?'

Maybe you're right. Maybe we should just all give up. Microsoft and Sony have won.

Don't be so defeatist! So what if it's one against countless odds?! It's waaay more fun this way. The reason that Amiga has been away for so long giving the PC and consoles time to build up - is to make it a fairer challenge. We don't want it to be too easy!

---
Sam
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 23-Jan-2003 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (EmGee):
Not quite true.. An OS (like AmigaOS) does bring people back but it doesn't bring any new people (people that never used AmigaOS)in.

I know 5 PC owners that really wants to return mainly because of AmigaOS, they have missed it a lot while using Windows the last few years.

Guess we all know the feeling when we are at work (or school, or..) and we are forced to use a windows machine.. then you really long for your Amiga IMHO.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 19 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jan-2003 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Don Cox):
>The trick is to keep the team very small, and to make sure the software modules are truly independent of one another, so that A can work on fooA.bar without worrying about changes B is making to fooB.bar.

You probably mean the right thing but this statement is very confused. Design comes first, protocols and standards for interaction are defined, and finally, in the implementation stage, the developers stricly follow agreed interfaces, to make sure that the elements fit together. It's important to hide internal implementation details (and I guess that is what you really mean) but it's equally important that all elements fit together nicely, and that means that there will be massive dependencies.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 20 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Jan-2003 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Nick D):
"Gradual growth for the new Amiga platform as a whole seems possible, as
long as people don't expect AOS4 to be able to trigger an instant return of people to the Amiga in vast
numbers."

If 100,000 people ordered an AmigaOne next month, Eyetech wouldn't be
able to handle the quantity anyway.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 21 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 23-Jan-2003 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Nick D):
Well, I do; and have for 14 years. ... from WB1.2 to OS3.5, and I have my order in for a XEG4 system.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 22 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jan-2003 12:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
To the extent that this "feature" exists in OS4, it also exists in BeOS, Linux and any number of other operating systems.

No-one will guarantee your data integrity in this case if you use a hard disk, because hard disk manufacturers have other priorities when the power suddenly goes away, like arranging for all the moving parts to come to a safe stop.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 23 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 23-Jan-2003 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
As always, never turn your computer off when the harddrive or floppy is working. Simple as that.
Has worked for me for some twelve odd years.
.
SlimJim
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 24 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 23-Jan-2003 13:25 GMT
a few things

1) nice to see Amiga related articles slowly dripping
out into the mainstream areas as the newOS and hardware
becomes closer to full usage

2) ..but ExtremeTech? theres not much that makes the new
hardware 'extreme' by nature. we can hope the OS breathing
on such new hardware will scream along...that would be an 'extreme'
experience .. perhaps at a later date we get some addon hardware
specifically designed for AmigaONE/pegasos/etc - eg a quad DSP
PCI card..or dual PowerPC PCI addon card for rendering pipes etc

3) i notice the article has an onsite comment.... i'm not going to
join the site to reply (hate such sites) but i do have this to say.
in what way is x86 CPU more advanced (and 'late 90's) than the PowerPC
chip? PowerPC runs slower in clockspeed (currently...soon to change
very quickly) but it has a much better design, more registers, uses
less power. generates less heat (ie is more environmentally friendly)
can do much more per clock cycle and ISNT tied down stupidly to the
old ISA and 8bit x86 stuff of the 1980's!

alan
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 25 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 23-Jan-2003 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (alan buxey):
It is more advanced in the amount of people writing software for it. It is perhaps more advanced in terms of sheer clock speed but as we know that can be a bit of a misnomer.

It will be interesting to see how a native AmigaOne performs against a top-end PC. If the good old Amiga efficiency lives on, and there is every reason to believe that it will, we should be in for some favourable comparisons.

If I have to wait much longer for OS4 I'm going to explode with anticipation. :)

---
Sam
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 26 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jan-2003 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (alan buxey):
>PowerPC runs slower in clockspeed (currently...soon to change very quickly) Won't change. >but it has a much better design, "Better" as in faster/cheaper? >uses less power. generates less heat (ie is more environmentally friendly) 1 GHz G4 consumes up to 50W - how much does 1GHz P3 Tualatin consume? >can do much more per clock cycle The 3-FPU K7 kicks PPC's arse and Opteron will bury it completely.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 27 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jan-2003 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>This is why we for instance licensed Realsoft, the successor of Real3D. Will this be released with the OS4 launch? Years old licenses mean nothing whenno product follows, it only makes them worth less.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 28 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 23-Jan-2003 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Sam Smith):
>Sony have wonSony's links with Tao and Tao's with Amiga made me hope that Sony would use AmigaOS. Playstation III based on Amiga OS5, laptops, pdas etc.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 29 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Jan-2003 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Don Cox):
But the A1 is not produced on a known german "perfect for 10000 units" production line, but in Taiwan... what is the capability of that Taiwan company?
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 30 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Jan-2003 14:27 GMT
@Ben Hermans

Could we get some status information of AOS4 development? Pretty please, with sugar on top.

The christmas target went by, I think we do not want yet another target, but rather the information about the maturity status of AOS4.0. Does it run on top of PPC yet (also other parts beside execSG)?
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 31 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Jan-2003 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
LOL!

I think the G4 is closer to 15W than 50W, actuallu 7.5W for the latest chip. http://207.172.16.150/cubed/PPCSALESFACT.pdf
1Ghz 750FX consumes 5.7W.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 32 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 23-Jan-2003 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Congratulations mr.Hermans. For a long time sensible, cooled down and fact based posting. Hope the outbursts are over.. keep these kind of posts up.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 33 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 23-Jan-2003 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (EmGee):
"But that's not the aim most users hope for. They want there "A500" back!"

What the hell are you babbling about? UAE anyone?
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 34 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Jan-2003 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Hooligan/DCS):
Friendly & sensible posts from Amiga headmen is very welcome indeed.



(IMO: It's too late for Amiga Inc, but not for Hyperion/Eyetech. I think we need lobotomia before we can forgive AI f*ck ups...)
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 35 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by EmGee on 23-Jan-2003 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Troels Ersking):
I agree, e.g. I miss the principle of datatypes in Windows.
I missed Dopus 4.2 stuff like that.
But I'm so used to Windows now, please convince me with superior Amiga features, which WindowsXP running on a 2GHz P4 is not ABLE (!) to do.
And don't metion floppy control, because I know it sucks still. But who uses floppies these days.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 36 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by EmGee on 23-Jan-2003 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Hooligan/DCS):
Hooligan, you don't get it.
They want their A500 LIKE machine back. A simple to use, no hassle MODERN machine. Insert your disk/cd/dvd et voila a application/game gets running automatically.
With great gfx and sound.
And all this for $300 :)
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 37 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by EmGee on 23-Jan-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Sam Smith):
Sam,

If you want to survive in a crowded market, you have to have a sound business plan with some thing to offer. What does Amiga off MORE and CHEAPER then other companies ?
I don't want sound pestimistically, but realisticatly.
But we have to see what happens in the future. Maybe the miracle will happen, helped by some clever bussinessmen :)
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 38 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by EmGee on 23-Jan-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Sam Smith):
Sam,

If you want to survive in a crowded market, you have to have a sound business plan with some thing to offer. What does Amiga off MORE and CHEAPER then other companies ? It's not 1984 when there was no real competition.
I don't want sound pestimistically, but realisticatly.
But we have to see what happens in the future. Maybe the miracle will happen, helped by some clever bussinessmen :)
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 39 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 23-Jan-2003 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (John Block):
I think that's always going to be highly unlikely. Even if Amiga was a massive company Sony would always prefer to 'roll their own'.

---
Sam
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 40 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 23-Jan-2003 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (EmGee):
I thought Ben had already outlined the basic target markets earlier and it seems a reasonable business plan. But of course Amiga in the mainstream is going to be a massive mountain to climb. Offering a better OS and a growing range of software will help but a new software base could take years to encourage others to jump ship.

The point is - it is possible.

---
Sam
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 41 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 23-Jan-2003 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (EmGee):
Hmm.. I thought nits today want a 2GHz P4, GeForce 4, 750mb memory, XP and retarded 3d shooters :)
And as to your easy to use a500-like plug'n'play console.. we have consoles... but yeah I know what you're meaning
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 42 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 23-Jan-2003 15:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Hooligan/DCS):
I went to a professional computer graphics show with lots of expensive kit, on the commodore stand the a500 was doing a lot of what the surrounding machines were doing.Nearby a 15000 dollar solution was getting lots of interest as they had the price big on the stand.I had to ask, and the guy on the stand had to go off and find out the a500's price. People in computer shops would lecture about the amiga, how to match it on pc you needed a graphics card, sound card etc at extra costs.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 43 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 23-Jan-2003 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
I'd love to know, Mr Anonymous, what your exact skills and knowledge
in the IT field is...because your message..or 'facts' are so widely
off the mark I find it fairly obvious that you have to hide behind
the 'anonymous' tag.

for informations:

1) newer PowerPC's are set to jump straight to the >2 GHz speeds. bypassing
all the 1.4->2.0 range

2) the PowerPC is a modern design. started from scratch and has a mixture
of people on board..with cross-licencing. even has AMD onboard now. So
expect the last bastion of any x86 hope - that of 'MMX/SSE' to also be in the
new AltiVec-2 cores

3) Where do you get your facts from? The G4 consumes less than 10W during
full usage. Even the mobile Celeron mask (as used in XBox) chucks out 4x that amount of heat.

4) The 3-FPU K7 kicks PPC's arse and Opteron will bury it completely??
you are measuring next generations of x86 against the current PowerPC
chip? pity. I'd point you to the Power4 and G5 pages...but little need
to as you'll never learn....i find it impressive that old (>2 years!!)
G4 technology still beats (clock-cycle wise) the latest consumer offerings
from the x86 camp

there again....my knowledge comes from being an Amiga user and an avid follower
of real computing. you may go back to your precious x86 windows box and
play the silly FPS games that are why you have 2GHz CPUs and 128MB AGPx8 gfx
cards for.

alan
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 44 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Jan-2003 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (alan buxey):
The official Motorola data sheet clearly states that max power dissipation is 50W for the 1GHz MPC7455 part.

So I guess the real question is, where do you get your "facts" from?
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 45 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Jan-2003 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
Motorolla clearly seems to have "wide range" of data of they chips:

http://207.172.16.150/cubed/PPCSALESFACT.pdf

Typical: 7441&7455 11.2W @800Mhz, 7457 7.5W @1Ghz ...

Hmmm, I wonder now they define typical and maximum...

(And I wonder why it is so hard to dig .pdf specs about those 1.2Ghz chips from mot.com ... almost as if they would not exist...)
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 46 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 23-Jan-2003 18:41 GMT
Who cares? CPU speed is not the only important
thing in a system. With the Amiga's efficient
and speedy design the "basic" G3 model should
be extremely fast for most purposes. Don't get
caught in a Mhz/cpu trap, it often makes little
difference to your computing experience overall,
especially now that ALL cpus are running very
quickly. Remember people in other markets do
not always buy the "top-end" hardware, there are
budget cpus out there because many people find them
to perform well and cost less. Anything you have
in an AmigaOne should be 20x faster than any 68K
Amiga and faster than any other OS on the market
even if they can run (at top end) on a slightly faster cpu...

(I base my test results on Amithlon which has superior speed
through a complete emulation than the native OSes on the
same machine, OS4 will be much higher performance than
this, it's seriously amazing to see the difference
an OS can make, it's like getting a new computer...) :)

P.S: I do not know ANYONE that has the cpu/gfx etc. people
often talk about here,
(probably because most aren't even released yet) ;)
most x86 users buy a machine that is in the mid-range and
are not always looking for the next release of a cpu/gfx etc.
PPC easily blows away most mid-range x86s and with AmigaOS
performance will not be a big issue in my opinion. Wait until
it's out and you can SEE the speed before comparing cpus etc.
, there are too many other factors involved to gauge speed. I
personally think it will be great, considering Amithlon's
superb performance under "less than ideal" conditions...
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 47 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by GG Fan on 23-Jan-2003 19:17 GMT
Gary Glitter is a Glamrock superstar with millions of records sales over the years,

With the massive sucess with the smash hit album "ON" it has now been reduced to half price,

ROCK ON LEADER WE LOVE YOU.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 48 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 23-Jan-2003 20:38 GMT
Mr. "I watch kidpron on mi'monitor and get caught of it"? .. the same Glitter?
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 49 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Hammer on 23-Jan-2003 22:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (alan buxey):
>3) i notice the article has an onsite comment.... i'm not going to
>join the site to reply (hate such sites) but i do have this to say.
>in what way is x86 CPU more advanced (and 'late 90's) than the PowerPC
>chip?
Modern X86 CPUs decodes X86 instructions to smaller RISC like instructions(this amounts to X86 hardware emulation). Both the Athlon XP and Pentium 4 supports faster FSB(via DDR or QDR).

The nForce 2(for X86-AMD market) platforms delivers 6.4Gb/s of bandwidth today(since last year). Not at 2nd half of 2003 as in PPC 970’s case.

>but it has a much better design

That would be subjective. PPC doesn't worry about legacy X86 ISA and X86 software investments.

>more registers
That alone doesn’t change the fortunes of PPC based platforms, since there are other RISC based CPUs. CPU manufactures like Intel(i.e. StrongARM) and AMD(i.e. MIPS) has support for non-X86 CPU architectures.

Modern X86 CPUs has plenty of registers, but they are not visible for programmer's use.

This problem was fixed by AMD’s Opteron** and Athlon 64.
**Available now within AMD’s "beachhead" program.

>uses less power
>generates less heat (ie is more environmentally friendly)

For low power AMD Athlon refer to
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7357

Also, Transmeta and VIA's C3 product are another factors in the mix.

>ISNT tied down stupidly to the old ISA and 8bit x86 stuff of the 1980's!

It’s not a surprise that desktop PCs based on Motorola’s 68k are now relegated to a niche market. I wonder who has made the stupid move for not supporting the legacy ISA and software investments. Migrating to another ISA will take its toll on desktop OS vendors.
Amiga Article on ExtremeTech : Comment 50 of 95ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 23-Jan-2003 22:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Hooligan/DCS):
Yes, that is the same guy. It's abhorent.
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