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Posted on 10-Feb-2003 00:19 GMT by SWAUG INFO28 comments
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Are you considering getting the latest Amiga Web Browser, IBrowse 2.3 ?

Read our review first. SWAUG REVIEWS

SWAUG ( www.swaug.org.uk ) A direct link to the review is here
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 1 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Ingo^AZ on 10-Feb-2003 02:24 GMT
What wheel-mouse are you talking about? Did i miss something?
My wheel-mouse is working pretty good with IB, even though i`m
usually surfing the web with V. Do the wheels only work in the
demo? :^)
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 2 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Allsopp on 10-Feb-2003 08:01 GMT
Since when did Voyager or Aweb be able to print a postscript version of a page? IMO iBrowse printing is miles ahead of both AWeb and Voyager, I can't even remember ever being able to print at all with Voyager.

As for the mouse-scroll, isn't that an MUI issue? If it works with Voyager scrollbars, it should work with iBrowse scrollbars surely.
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 3 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 10-Feb-2003 08:17 GMT
Hmmm, "all 3 Amiga web browsers are developed by a single
programmer or a small company". - Is there only one programmer
working on AWeb 3.4 APL ?

Speed test: We think IBrowse is a bit faster. - Why no benchmarks ?

Cons: Some rendering errors. - Shouldn't you just compare against
the available web browsers ? According to the review IB was the better
renderer.

Not the best review I have ever read.

koan
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 4 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Feb-2003 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Daniel Allsopp):
"Since when did Voyager or Aweb be able to print a postscript version of a page? IMO iBrowse printing is
miles ahead of both AWeb and Voyager, I can't even remember ever being able to print at all with
Voyager. "

Voyager 3.2 prints a scren dump. You do get the whole width of the
page but the quality is poor and it will not print the whole of a long
page. Voyager 3.3 has printing disabled.

IBrowse prints very nicely to a Postscript printer except for one big
problem: the print out is too big, so you only get about 2/3 of the
web page width on A4 paper. A3 would probably be OK, and scaling is
promised for IBrowse 3. (Internet Explorer has the same problem on
some pages, IBrowse has it on most pages.)
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 5 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 10-Feb-2003 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (koan):
Well, instead of moaning, go and do a better one then instead of putting down the work of others...
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 6 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 10-Feb-2003 09:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Peter Gordon):
> Well, instead of moaning, go and do a better one then instead of putting down
> the work of others...

It was a review of a review.

If you send me a copy of IB2.3 I will gladly write a review.

koan
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 7 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by SWAUG on 10-Feb-2003 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Ingo^AZ):
Well we tested IBrowse on an Amiga with the Topolino III, a Logitech Cordless Mouse and Freewheel. Voyager and AWeb both scroll on the same Amiga but IBrowse cannot. If someone can tell us how to get the scrolling working the review will be altered.

The Postscript Printing is an interesting point that will be looked into. Someone want to tell us how to get this working with Ghostscript and a non-PS printer? Thanks....

KOAN: yes we know that AWEb 3.4 APL is developed by an Opensource team but the review was comparing AWEB 3.4UFO, Voyager 3.3.126 and IBrowse 2.3
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 8 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by SWAUG on 10-Feb-2003 09:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (koan):
KOAN:
We bought IBrowse from IOSpirit.de - you could do the same

Or alternatively download the demo for free.
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 9 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Robert Williams on 10-Feb-2003 10:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (SWAUG):
Mouse wheel scrolling in IBrowse works for me (with a USB wheel mouse and Poseidon) I think you probably need MUIWheelPatch (http://www.aminet.net/util/mouse/MuiWheel14.lha) installed. The only limitation I've found is that it only works on the first tab if you have several browser tabs open. This has been reported on the IB mailing list.

Postscript printing works pretty well with GhostScript although it doesn't print colour. There are some instructions on how to set it up and install the required fonts on Aminet:

http://www.aminet.net/docs/help/IBrowse2Print.txt

In the print window you need to set the destination to "Custom" and enter "PS:" as the path (that's from memory but it should be fairly obvious).

HTH

Robert
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 10 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 10-Feb-2003 11:48 GMT
RE: hsbc

It shows how much money you don't have in both accounts, but when you want list of transactions the site tries

javascript:submitform('account number','ib')

Which does not do anything here
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 11 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 10-Feb-2003 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (John Block):
Carried on testing.

This means that we still can't do internet banking, ie checking details, paying bills, moving funds between accounts etc.

Still massive improvement to at least be able to check balances.
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 12 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by SWAUG INFO on 10-Feb-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (John Block):
IBrowse will allow the following on HSBC's website:

viewing balances
viewing transactions & history
transfer money between own accounts
view/delete standing orders & direct debits
Applying for a loan (+ loan calculator)

The only thing that doesn't work is
Make a payment

Everything else we have got to work.

Regards.
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 13 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 10-Feb-2003 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (John Block):
I can do internet banking with my bank, so I guess it depends on the bank used.
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 14 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Richi on 10-Feb-2003 13:07 GMT
I can't find the preference menu, where is it?
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 15 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 10-Feb-2003 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (SWAUG INFO):
Thank you, that was invaluable feedback

Instead of clicking on the icon i was calling ibrowse from a script containing
with the line

dh1:internet/ibrowse/ibrowse

clicking on the icon and hsbc works as you described :)
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 16 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 10-Feb-2003 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (John Block):
Tooltypes?

Gregg
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 17 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 10-Feb-2003 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Gregg):
All the tooltype lines are in brackets.

Stacksize is set at 8192 in the icon.
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 18 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by wilhelm on 10-Feb-2003 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (SWAUG):
check out this file on aminet to get postscript working: IBrowse2Print.doc
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 19 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by wilhelm on 10-Feb-2003 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (wilhelm):
drat, not only did someone beat me to it they got it right, ie: IBrowse2Print.txt. Guess I'm getting old and feeble.
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 20 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Feb-2003 19:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (wilhelm):
Better to just use a Postscript laser printer. Much more useful than
an inkjet.
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 21 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Jaeson Koszarsky on 10-Feb-2003 19:50 GMT
Since upgrading to the latest IB, I haven't
had need to AWeb or Voyager. I have legal
versions of IB & AW and a demo V.

I've always preferred IB but use whichever
one works. I'm glad to see IB's continued
development.

Jaeson K.
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 22 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Feb-2003 20:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Jaeson Koszarsky):
The Javascript seems to be 99% perfect, best on the Amiga so far.

One thing that improves the look of many pages - go to Settings ->
HTML and change the Shadow colour from black to grey. It gives a more
subtle look.
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 23 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by AnonX on 10-Feb-2003 21:19 GMT
id give it 91%! great work
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 24 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Feb-2003 22:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Don Cox):
Since it's almost on topic - what browser did you use for these posts Don? Because it sure is messed up somehow.
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 25 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Andrew Deacon on 11-Feb-2003 10:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Robert Williams):
The only limitation I've found is that it only works on the first tab if you have several browser tabs open. This has been reported on the IB mailing list.


Scrolling will work on other tabs if you uncheck the `use muiwheel` option in freewheel, though it`s somewhat slower than normal.

The problem is caused by a bug in MUI Wheel . MUI 3.9 has wheel scrolling built in and works perfectly (according to those who have it).
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 26 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 11-Feb-2003 12:15 GMT
This was pretty good. I'd like to see them do a review of Voyager and the last Aweb release as well.

GRUNT
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 27 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by Robert Williams on 11-Feb-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Andrew Deacon):
I read that FreeWheel worked but I've had some problems with it on my system and prefer the speed of MUIWheel in other apps so I decided to put up with the limitations in IBrowse.

Roll on MUI 3.9 :)

Robert
SWAUG REVIEWS IBROWSE 2.3 : Comment 28 of 28ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 11-Feb-2003 22:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Don Cox):
It still is not coping with some instances of tick checkbox then press button.
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