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[News] USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga.ANN.lu
Posted on 13-Feb-2003 03:28 GMT by Aram Iskenderian (Edited on 2003-02-13 09:17:45 GMT by Christian Kemp)19 comments
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On Elbox's web site, there is an annoucement of Spider USB 2.0 card.
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 1 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 13-Feb-2003 04:35 GMT
It doesn't mean you could actualy use these devices to their full speed, but it's nice to have this driver anyway (they just need to fix introduced bugs).
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 2 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by JoŽl EHRET on 13-Feb-2003 05:37 GMT
[mode troll on]
just interested to know if hdinst tools is included in the archive
[mode troll off]
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 3 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Feb-2003 07:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (brotheris):
Elbox finished the EHCI driver so yes, you can use this device at the full 480Mbps USB2.0 speed. Problem is that the amiga<-> mediator interface can't keep up with that speed so you only get the max speed from PCI-<-> PCI transfers.
What about an PCI UDMA133/SCSI driver?
Or the SharkPPC?
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 4 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by l'Ours on 13-Feb-2003 07:48 GMT
Is it format 2 times faster your RDB ?

(sad joke, ok)
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 5 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by L8-X on 13-Feb-2003 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (l'Ours):
Did anyone from elbox ever appologise for that mistake?

Shame they have received so much trouble over that.

Pity.
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 6 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 13-Feb-2003 10:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (L8-X):
They never apologised because they didnt see that they did anything wrong as it was only pirates who could overwrite their RDB through using cracked drivers.

I'm getting bored with having the RDB thing brought up every time there is some news from Elbox - there could be a "Elbox finds cure for cancer and solves world Energy crisis and also ensures everlasting World Peace" news story and someone would still bring up the RDB.
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 7 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Feb-2003 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (l'Ours):
[as sad yoke as yours mode on]
Yes, this means that you have to descramble, disasemble and crack the driver twice as fast to work with your lame non-amiga market supporting PC USB2.0 cart. Or even worse: To work with your "competitive" PCI busboard (as far as there are competitive busboards).
[Returning to the civilized/mature world again]
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 8 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by MiniBobF on 13-Feb-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Out of interest, what is the sustained transfer rate for Amiga<->Mediator?

60MB/s required for full bandwidth utilization.... but then, a USB bus or Firewire, or even ethernet is NEVER used 100% capacity 100% of the time.

Neil Thomas, AKA MiniBobF
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 9 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Feb-2003 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (MiniBobF):
This depends on your accelerator. BlizzardPPC 7-8 Mb/sec.
Apollo1260 >15 Mb/sec (>120MBit/sec).

So we really need an EIDE UDMA66/100/133 or UWSCSI PCI driver in order to use the full USB2.0 speed. The Amiga<->Mediator bottleneck doesn't matter anymore for access to the PCI HD controller since the BlizzardPPC limits also the speed of my Powerflyer1200 and thus no performance loss over the current situation.
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 10 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 13-Feb-2003 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Lando):
The RDB over write SHOULD be brought up every time. If ElBox's feet isn't held up to the fire, your sending the wrong signal to other developers that:

1. Amiga community doesn't care what illegal code you put in.
2. Amiga community can't remember past two weeks what happens, so it's OK to screw around with end user's data.
3. Amiga community wills swallow anything if there is a "anti-piracy" label stuck to it.

Dammy
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 11 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Feb-2003 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (dammy):
Smells like:
We can't tap into the highly likely terrorist his phoneline to listen where he's up to because we should respect his privacy.
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 12 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 13-Feb-2003 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (dammy):
And I suppose whenever we see a German we should mention the war...
Okay, I'm being silly here but I think it's time to let bygones be bygones - I am sure Elbox have learned their lesson and won't put any more RDB-destroying code in their drivers.
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 13 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 13-Feb-2003 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (L8-X):
> Did anyone from elbox ever appologise for that mistake?

"Why would we need to apologize?" was pretty much the answer I received from them when I raised the issue when they spammed me with one of their newsletters just days after the incident here on ANN (where they threatened to sue me, and I ignored that threat, with no consequence whatsoever).
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 14 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 13-Feb-2003 20:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Christian Kemp):
What do you mean by "they spammed me..." ?

They posted here quite a lot but I never thought you had a problem with that? What was that thread about? Was it because they wanted you to remove the thread or what was that about...?
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 15 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 13-Feb-2003 22:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Troels Ersking):
@ MR. Kemp

Just re-read your message... Guess you considered their email as spam AFTER they threadend to sue you? Sounds fair.. :-)
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 16 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by elborro on 13-Feb-2003 22:45 GMT
Will this work with OpenPCI?
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 17 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Rob on 13-Feb-2003 23:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (elborro):
No Elbox prefer to keep control of their hardware/software. I'm not
personally bothered about OpenPCI if it offered a better range of
drivers then I might start to take notice.
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 18 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 14-Feb-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Troels Ersking):
Yes, that's what I meant.

For the past few years, I've told people to use the online forms to submit news to ANN, yet they always send me their press releases per mail. I normally don't mind when someone does (I'll just ignore it), but it seemed hypocritical in Elbox'es case: threaten to sue me, then want me to promote them some more, all within one week...
USB 2.0 Support For The Amiga. : Comment 19 of 19ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 15-Feb-2003 19:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Rob):
OpenPCI is not offering drivers, only a way of developing those drivers so that they work on multiple hardware solutions. The rtl-8139 ethernet driver they have released is an example driver, to demonstrate how it works.

The idea is that people can now develop drivers without being tied to all sorts of NDA agreements with the hardware manufacturers and without being forved to sell their drivers through strictly controlled distribution channels.

Whether enough people will take advantage of it remains to be seen, but OpenPCi is a good idea and deserves support.
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