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Posted on 14-Feb-2003 11:06 GMT by Elwood50 comments
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Read this new Eyetech post on the AmigaOne ML talking about the A1 motherboard with new Articia chip.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 1 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 14-Feb-2003 10:16 GMT
Nice to see. Finally, I must say.

But the key is still OS4. I wonder how things are going there? Well, I guess we will all know at cebit, when it will be offically launched. That is *less* than a month away now, so it won't be a particular long wait. And that will be interesting!
:-)
AmigaOne status update : Comment 2 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Rene W. Olsen on 14-Feb-2003 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
Maybe I have missed something but have AInc. or Hyperion said/prommised to come with a release dato for OS4 at CeBit ?
AmigaOne status update : Comment 3 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by elektro on 14-Feb-2003 11:43 GMT
no mention of amiga or hyperion in cebit's exhibitors...
AmigaOne status update : Comment 4 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by kriz on 14-Feb-2003 11:57 GMT
Any amiga companies going to cebit at all, confirmed ??
AmigaOne status update : Comment 5 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by elektro on 14-Feb-2003 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (kriz):
not that I know of...
AmigaOne status update : Comment 6 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Feb-2003 12:11 GMT
IMO: the most important news there is the 2M of L3 cache on those G4 CPU cards. It's something that I did not believe would happen anytime soon.

What is the Mhz of the DDR L3 cache??? (IMO: even as slow as 266Mhz would be ok for the 800Mhz CPU)

Any pictures of the new CPU card???

(The new XE board already is a lot better looking than the original Teron)
AmigaOne status update : Comment 7 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Alfred Schwarz on 14-Feb-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Rene W. Olsen):
No, they didn't, Amiga Inc. announced the public launch of OS4 for CeBit, whatever this means...

Ciao, Alfred
AmigaOne status update : Comment 8 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Feb-2003 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (elektro):
>>Any amiga companies going to cebit at all, confirmed ??
>not that I know of...

Genesi ("Genesi and Plexuscom will share a Booth at CeBIT, 12-19 March in Hannover, Germany.").
AmigaOne status update : Comment 9 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Feb-2003 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Alfred Schwarz):
They all did.

http://os.amiga.com/corporate/111902-exposure.shtml?PHPSESSID=5d860fdcd43111100a715b9c8c18aae8

(see who signed that announcement)
AmigaOne status update : Comment 10 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Feb-2003 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (priest):
"The first of these shows will be the official launch of the AmigaOne and AmigaOS4.0, to occur at the CeBit show in Germany in March (and before anyone asks, this does not mean this is the release date for AmigaOS4.0, it means that CeBit will be the public launch of it). "

and

"Bill McEwen and the team at Amiga
Ben Hermans, Hyperion
Alan Redhouse, Eyetech"
AmigaOne status update : Comment 11 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 14-Feb-2003 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (priest):
We'll... We see, in few weeks.. Parhaps I should book flights so I could see this great 'launch' myself?
AmigaOne status update : Comment 12 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 14-Feb-2003 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (JoannaK):
You do that JK (Rowling)
AmigaOne status update : Comment 13 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Feb-2003 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (takemehomegrandma):
Don't count on it
AmigaOne status update : Comment 14 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 14-Feb-2003 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Rik Sweeney):
Well.. I checked thingies.. Flights, hotel and tickets would total about 800 Euros for 2-3day trip. Sorry, bit too much for me.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 15 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Feb-2003 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
He said AMIGA companies.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 16 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 14-Feb-2003 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (priest):
Gosh! I bet they're kicking themselves over all this confusion as to whether "launch" implies release or not!

For the marketing-innocent :

"Launch" means marketing; it does not mean availability of the "launched" product, it does not imply a "release" date, it doesn't even imply that any prodct at all will ever be released.

"Cahm down, cahm down..."

</brookie>

That announcement has always meant nothing about availability; if I were cynical enough, I would say that the primary intention of that "launch" statement was always to distract the clamouring hordes by making it look like a release data had been set...

I assumed most people at the time realised the implication : "The release will be later than the launch, although if we cross our fingers and wish really really hard, it might just be before it."

Now it appears that's just another to add to my long list if incorrect assumptions. Ah well...

Gregg
AmigaOne status update : Comment 17 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 14-Feb-2003 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (priest):
@Priest

> http://os.amiga.com/corporate/111902-exposure.shtml?PHPSESSID=5d860fdcd43111100a715b9c8c18aae8

Remember always to erase the last part of the URL, when you post it, that is YOUR personal ID!

Should be:
http://os.amiga.com/corporate/111902-exposure.shtml
AmigaOne status update : Comment 18 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Feb-2003 14:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Gregg):
Certainly a lot of A.org posters were assuming as you said, that this would mean AOS4 being available before CeBIT, and then a public announcement, something of the form "Look world! AmigaOS 4 is here, don't you wish you had been a proper loyal Amigan like these guys?"

In fact, if we apply maximum cynicism, they can fulfill the "promise" as follows

1. Any AInc/Hyperion/Eyetech employee goes to CeBIT
2. Stands in a corner somewhere not too visible
3. Says "The AmigaOne and AmigaOS4 are launched" quietly
4. Leaves or looks around rest of show
AmigaOne status update : Comment 19 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Been Hermuns (no not really) on 14-Feb-2003 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Alfred Schwarz):
> No, they didn't, Amiga Inc. announced the public launch of OS4 for CeBit,
> whatever this means...

No, they said "Lunch", I hope this clears up any confusion. They are having a public "Lunch" honoring OS4.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 20 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 14-Feb-2003 16:14 GMT
Last time I checked on the CeBit site, and did a search on their search engine,
the names Amiga, Eyetech, or Hyperion did not show up...

Are they still going to go? I did note that they do offer the AO4 on their
"amigamall" part of their website...I don't think it was there before...It is
still "coming soon"....I sure hope so.

Does anyone have any confirmation from Hyperion or Eyetech or Amiga that they
will actually go to Cebit and demonstrate their "wares"?...If so, please
inform us...
AmigaOne status update : Comment 21 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by ROTFL! on 14-Feb-2003 16:31 GMT
"However we will not as of policy ship any product before we are
satisfied that it is fully functional - including an installable and
working operating system - other than to developers for testing purposes."

At least he's got a sense of humour! :)
(If he's not joking, then he's lying so blatantly that my eyes bleed)

BTW, what's with these so-called "developers"? He means the *paying customers* who *bought* buggy evaluation boards, without the intended firmware and without the OS that is supposed to be a prerequisite to rename the boards from "Teron" to "AmigaOne", right? Sometimes it sounds as if Eyetech actually developed anything, or employed developers (while the boards are Mai's, the firmware is the open source community's with some contributions by Hyperion, and AmigaOS is also Hyperion's).
AmigaOne status update : Comment 22 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 14-Feb-2003 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Been Hermuns (no not really)):
Well at http://os.amiga.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1583 there is an interview
with Thomas Frieden in which he (unofficially) said that he thinks that OS4
will be ready in March. So I guess they will show it at CeBIT then.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 23 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Feb-2003 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (David Scheibler):
A launch can be a Press Confrerence rather than booking a stand.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 24 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by David on 14-Feb-2003 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (David Scheibler):
Heh, I remember Nov. 2001, Beta's would be rolling out by Feb 2002, *according to Hyperion*
AmigaOne status update : Comment 25 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Feb-2003 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (David Scheibler):
He said that last year too.

So what?
AmigaOne status update : Comment 26 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 14-Feb-2003 19:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Gregg):
>>I assumed most people at the time realised the implication : "The release >>will be later than the launch, although if we cross our fingers and wish >>really really hard, it might just be before it."

>>Now it appears that's just another to add to my long list if incorrect >>assumptions. Ah well...

Yes, please do....at the time of the announcement, Amiga, Inc. was trying to settle people down and saying, this does not mean the availability of the product will be delayed all the way until March....it can still be released on time, but the public 'launch' of the product is in March....

I said at the time, as this gets closer and closer to March, and the product is not released, these same comments will be re-interpreted to mean, the actual release will be AFTER MARCH.

People could not believe my cynicism...tonight I will look up those old posts, from many months ago, and post a link....

It was BEFORE, BEFORE BEFORE, WAAAYYYY BEFORE MARCH.....

they never said, after.....and they read the posts, and they had months and months to clarify.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 27 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 14-Feb-2003 21:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Gregg):
I remember MS "launching" windoze 3.1 almost 3 years before it was actually shipped. :)

Maybe Amiga Inc. has a little too much in common with that Redmond company? ;)

coldfire
AmigaOne status update : Comment 28 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 14-Feb-2003 21:46 GMT
You know...it looks like it's going to happen. Maybe even this year...but DAMN!

I can't believe I'm still waiting...how many others have given up? At least 3 times in the last 6 weeks I started filling a cart on googlegear.com to build a new lintel box....and I keep thinking..."No....I'll wait just a bit longer..."

I think Amigan=sucker

coldfire
AmigaOne status update : Comment 29 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 15-Feb-2003 09:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (priest):
Well done Alan for holding out for something better rather than just sending out the older model to shut people up.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 30 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Feb-2003 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (John Block):
> Well done Alan for holding out for something better rather than just sending out
> the older model to shut people up.

Like he's done with the buggy Teron CX boards he's been selling and shipping you mean?

Yeah, let's thank Alan for not shipping the Teron PX which is not yet in "mass production"! That's smart. Duh. ("mass production" as opposed to a few evaluation boards that people like Gall and Hyperion have)
AmigaOne status update : Comment 31 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 15-Feb-2003 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
My understanding was that Alan decided to wait a few weeks for a new run.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 32 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 15-Feb-2003 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
"Like he's done with the buggy Teron CX boards he's been selling and shipping you mean?"

Troll!

Genesi shipped buggy ones and replaced them with fixed ones.
Eyetech shipped buggy ones and replaced them with fixed ones.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 33 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Saint on 15-Feb-2003 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (priest):
Genesi didn`t charge for it.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 34 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Feb-2003 13:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Saint):
Nor did Eyetech.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 35 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 15-Feb-2003 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
No they didn't charge ....
.... as they didn't exchange !!

Just reread the actual press-release, and you will find this:

A1-dev-owners will:

have to wait till new board are in stock (they didn't get priority like I got with my BT2)
will have to pay for shipment back and forth (don't knowas I just went to Aachen on Sunday)
will have to pay the price difference to the XE (I just got back(fixed) what I gave)
AmigaOne status update : Comment 36 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Feb-2003 17:54 GMT
>>Genesi
>He said AMIGA companies.

I see. There is only one company legally entitled to be called "Amiga", so we may well drop plural. Apparently they are not on the Cebit exhibitors list. However, the company with the most-advanced-PPC-OS-running-Amiga-Software will be on Cebit, and that is what I wanted to say.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 37 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 15-Feb-2003 18:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
""However, the company with the most-advanced-PPC-OS-running-Amiga-Software will be on Cebit, and that is what I wanted to say.""

I thought Apple was at Cebit every year..?


;-)
AmigaOne status update : Comment 38 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Feb-2003 18:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Troels Ersking):
> I thought Apple was at Cebit every year..?

Small surprise, it's the biggest computer fair this world has. I'm glad Genesi takes it seriously, too. I'm shocked that the company who used its name to silence impatient customers isn't on the exhibitors list ;)
AmigaOne status update : Comment 39 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 15-Feb-2003 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
"Small surprise, it's the biggest computer fair this world has. I'm glad Genesi takes it seriously, too. I'm shocked that the company who used its name to silence impatient customers isn't on the exhibitors list ;)"

It has to be taken seriously, so offcourse Genesi does that. I never doubted their profesionalism on that matter (I am actually quite impressed by their apperance at all the diff. shows).

Amiga on the other hand might not have a product to show and would be wasting their money if they went to show a "work in progress" OS4. I expect them to visit diffrent shows just like Genesi, but not until OS4 is ready.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 40 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Robert on 16-Feb-2003 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Troels Ersking):
Concerning CeBIT...

>Amiga on the other hand might not have a product to show and would be wasting >their money if they went to show a "work in progress" OS4. I expect them to visit >diffrent shows just like Genesi, but not until OS4 is ready.

I would think Amiga would wait until OS5 to make a big splash. OS4 at the moment is only going to be interesting to a few of us.

And speaking of "Work in progress", have you seen MorphOS?
AmigaOne status update : Comment 41 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Feb-2003 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Robert):
"I would think Amiga would wait until OS5 to make a big splash."

AmigaOS 5 is no more real today than the AmigaDE version of Final Fantasy or Mario64. It's not even as real as AmigaOS 4 was in 2001, when they had a scrap of notepaper and some verbal agreements with 3rd party developers.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 42 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 16-Feb-2003 15:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
Nice try, Robert. I don't know if you've ever been to a trade show before, but there are lots of "works in progress" at them. Some don't even exist except as displays. MorphOS may not be finished {like software ever is ; } but it looks good and allows one to run new and classic apps, and supplies much of interest to developers.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 43 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Feb-2003 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Troels Ersking):
> Amiga on the other hand might not have a product to show and would be
> wasting their money if they went to show a "work in progress" OS4. I expect
> them to visit diffrent shows just like Genesi, but not until OS4 is ready.

I think that *EVERY SINGLE SOLE* in the Amiga market expects an official launch of the Amiga One and OS4 on that particular show. And that has been the case since their announcement in November 19, 2002:

"With the AmigaOne now shipping and AmigaOS4.0 in its final stages of development and testing, the time has come to begin letting the rest of the world know the good news, that the Amiga is alive, well and ready to let the World have fun with computing again."
...

"The first of these shows will be the official launch of the AmigaOne and AmigaOS4.0, to occur at the CeBit show in Germany in March (and before anyone asks, this does not mean this is the release date for AmigaOS4.0, it means that CeBit will be the public launch of it). With the huge exposure and attendance that CeBit brings in, and being in Germany, one of the spiritual homes of the Amiga, we think this an appropriate and exciting venue."

Signed:
Bill McEwen and the team at Amiga
Ben Hermans, Hyperion
Alan Redhouse, Eyetech

Since then a lot of people have pre-ordered A1 mobos. Much because of that promise. Because they gave you a feeling that the long wait were coming to an end, and in only a few more months(tm) they would see the OS4 running on the A1. But since then there hasn't been a great deal of communication from those.

Maybe they are just late with their registration? I hope for their sake that they *will* be there and that they *will* make a public launch of the AmigaOne+OS4 combo. Because if they *don't*, they will be quite smoked in this community!
AmigaOne status update : Comment 44 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Hardiharhar on 17-Feb-2003 04:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (takemehomegrandma):
So how much is this public lunch gonna cost me again?

btw I'm vegetarian!
AmigaOne status update : Comment 45 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Encia on 17-Feb-2003 20:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Kronos):
>will have to pay the price difference to the XE (I just got back(fixed) what >I gave)
Price difference has to be paid since XE is an upgrade product to CX (i.e. different class of product).

I'm assuming that;
XE maps to TX
SE maps to CX
AmigaOne status update : Comment 46 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Encia on 17-Feb-2003 20:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
>Like he's done with the buggy Teron CX boards he's been selling and shipping >you mean?
I recall the fix would be software applied fix.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 47 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Feb-2003 08:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Encia):
> I recall the fix would be software applied fix.

"ide=nodma"

:D
An even better fix in the same vein would be to never turn on the computer at all - then there can NEVER be ANY problems!
AmigaOne status update : Comment 48 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Feb-2003 08:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Encia):
Troll?

As far as I know:
- VIA686B need patch in the driver (available).
- ArtisiaS needs the included HW patch.
AmigaOne status update : Comment 49 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Feb-2003 08:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
definitely a TROLL!
AmigaOne status update : Comment 50 of 50ANN.lu
Posted by ehaines on 18-Feb-2003 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Anonymous):
> > I recall the fix would be software applied fix.

> "ide=nodma"
>
> :D
> An even better fix in the same vein would be to never turn on the computer at
> all - then there can NEVER be ANY problems!

Stupid troll, how come my AmigaOne has DMA enabled then with no problems? The
fix was a few wires soldered on. They didn't feel the need to give those wires
a name like "April" though for some reason....
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