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[News] Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit ReleaseANN.lu
Posted on 14-Feb-2003 13:52 GMT by Senex107 comments
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Paris, France and Taipei Hsien, Taiwan February 14, 2002. Plexuscom a designer and manufactures of broadband Internet access solutions and appliances has reached an agreement with Genesi Sarl to produce and deliver limited quantities of the PegasosPPC computer for release at CeBIT 2003. Genesi and Plexuscom will share a Booth at CeBIT, 12-19 March in Hannover, Germany. Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC

Paris, France and Taipei Hsien, Taiwan February 14, 2002. Plexuscom a designer and manufactures of broadband Internet access solutions and appliances has reached an agreement with Genesi Sarl to produce and deliver limited quantities of the PegasosPPC computer for release at CeBIT 2003. Genesi and Plexuscom will share a Booth at CeBIT, 12-19 March in Hannover, Germany.

"We are very pleased to work with Plexuscom on the Pegasos," said Gerald Carda, Chief Technology Officer of Genesi. "Through this partnership, we look forward to greater collaboration in development and marketing efforts. Plexuscom’s expertise in development and manufacturing technologies and Genesi's system design and architecture will be combined to promote an exciting alternative platform for the Micro-ATX marketplace.

The two companies share a common vision. That is, to create products that are designed to achieve exceptional performance while reducing per-unit costs and time-to-market, commented John Tseng, President of Plexuscom. "Our first priority at Plexuscom continues to be our customers, and we are confident that by aligning with a partner like Genesi, we will rapidly expand our position globally and customers will benefit from the performance, flexibility and scalability of these new system capabilities."

The Pegasos MicroATX features

The Pegasos MicroPPC is a small, low power PowerPC motherboard with the following features:

Takes Single or Dual PowerPC RISC CPU (G3 or G4)
Supplied with 600MHz IBM G3
Mai Logic Articia with bplan April2 Northbridge
VIA Southbridge
AGP X2 slot
3 X PCI slots
ATA100 with two channels with up to four ATA devices
3 X Firewire
10/100 Mbit Ethernet
Audio I/O
SPDIF Out
4 X USB
Parallel
Serial
PS2 Keyboard
PS2 Mouse
Riser connector
OpenFirmware based BIOS
Supplied with MorphOS, Debian Linux and Mac-on-Linux
Other operating systems in development.

Genesi and the Pegasos, Innovation for the Future

Genesi is a technology development and system integration engineering company located in Frankfurt, Germany, Paris, France and headquartered in Luxembourg. Genesi also operates through wholly owned subsidiaries in the United Sates and the United Kingdom, Genesi USA Inc. and Genesi UK Ltd. In addition to the Pegasos, Genesi has also developed the new Operating System, MorphOS, for PowerPC microprocessors. Designed for the Pegasos, MorphOS is a highly responsive, low overhead, desktop system, which runs hundreds of different applications.

Plexuscom, A Technology Power House

Plexuscom designs, manufactures, markets and delivers broadband Internet access solutions, Information appliance and USB peripherals.

Plexuscom's extraordinary commitment to customer needs is evidenced by its devotion to the production of customized products for diverse regional markets. Plexuscom is dedicated to the development of easy-to-use, reliable, low-maintenance and affordable high-speed solution for worldwide markets.

Plexuscom's strategic objective is to remain a market leader the development, implementation, supply and support of broadband Internet access, information appliance solutions, and USB peripherals.

Contact Information:

Plexuscom Contact:
John Tseng
john.tseng@plexuscom.com.tw
www.plexuscom.com

Genesi Contact:
Raquel Velasco and Bill Buck
bbrv@genesi.lu
www.pegasosppc.com
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 1 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 14-Feb-2003 12:54 GMT
Nice partner!

About Plexuscom:

World Headquarters: Taipei, Taiwan
Other Locations: Shanghai, China
California, U.S.A.
Factory (Manufacturing): Taipei Hsin, Taiwan
Shanghai, China
Founded: December 1972
Chairman: Mr. Jimmy Kuo
President: Mr. John Tseng
Working Capital: 77 million USD
Sales Revenue: 151.4 million USD (2001)
Stock Market Affiliations: TAIEX (publicly traded)
Total Employees: 1000
Major Products: Wireless/xDSL broadband router/modem/access point,
Interactive Application, Set-Top box, and USB peripherals
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 2 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 14-Feb-2003 12:58 GMT
yes, looks like a nice parter :)
...but this is just an announcement..just like
the announcements A.inc did with Nokia,bla,bla,bla...
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 3 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 14-Feb-2003 13:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
@Catohagen

Sure, just an announcement. But unlike the AI-stuff, it's very imminent: CeBIT is already next month!
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 4 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 14-Feb-2003 14:15 GMT
Is this the 'secret deal' that Genesi/MOS people have been dropping references to lately?

---
Sam
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 5 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 14-Feb-2003 14:20 GMT
Btw: I suppose there'll be added a photo on MorphOS-News.de soon which also shows the new logo of Genesi. Unfortunately without colours it doesn't look that good, IMHO. At the coloured logo, the blocks are multi-colored, ranging from green, blue, orange to the one block which is the dot over the i of Genesi - and that one is red... :-)
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 6 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 14-Feb-2003 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Sam Smith):
@Sam:

No. (At least if you mean what I think you do.)
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 7 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 14-Feb-2003 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Senex):
>to the one block which is the dot over the i of Genesi - and that one is >red... :-)

:) just like the amiga logo....really innovative :()
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 8 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Feb-2003 15:01 GMT
Sorry, but what does the above release actualy mean??
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 9 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Loz on 14-Feb-2003 15:20 GMT
Does anyone know what hall and booth number the stand will be in? or even any other Amiga related stands. Does anyone know if AmigaInc will have a CeBIT presence?

I'm going to be at CeBIT working for most of the show but it would be nice to see the Pegasos/MorphOS running in my spare time.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 10 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 14-Feb-2003 15:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Loz):
http://www.cebit.de/listen/detailframeset.html?tab_aktuell=uebersicht&mp_aktiv=A491401

Hall 15, Stand B23
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 11 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 14-Feb-2003 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
@ catohagen
>...but this is just an announcement..just like
the announcements A.inc did with Nokia,bla,bla,bla...

Yes. This is an announcement. Often what one finds on news pages are ANNOUNCEMENTS. In this -case- this is an announcement of an event that is imminent and a deal that I believe is a DONE deal.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 12 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Feb-2003 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (greenboy):
MorphOS/Pegasos is NOT an Amiga product ....why is it tollerated here??
Jeez.. I think my next post will be about Windows XP and maybe I will discuss the wonders MacOS X.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 13 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 14-Feb-2003 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Why are you tolerated here? You are not an Amiga™-branded product EITHER. Are you? Oops! Why am I here? I certainly have not been branded by Amiga Inc either. Though I have owned a large number of Amigas and have many hundreds of Amiga softwares, much of that legally purchased commercialware that I will run on Pegasos.

...And so it goes </Vonnegut>
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 14 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaGuy on 14-Feb-2003 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (greenboy):
@greenboy

Yeah, and I can run more Amiga software on my WindowsXP machine then on any single model of Amiga ever made, so should I post all the latest news about what Microsoft is doing or the latest WinXP app?

AmigaGuy
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 15 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 14-Feb-2003 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (AmigaGuy):
You might want to review what the site owner here and Amiga.org have said about this issue probably many hundreds of time ; }
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 16 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 14-Feb-2003 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (AmigaGuy):
>Yeah, and I can run more Amiga software on my WindowsXP machine then on any
>single model of Amiga ever made, so should I post all the latest news about
>what Microsoft is doing or the latest WinXP app?

Lets go over this once more:

Firstly, you are free to discuss UAE here if you have news, rumours and comments concerning it. UAE runs on Windows XP. UAE is Amiga and ANN related, I'm sure. Windows XP, on the other hand, is not.

Given this same logic, you are free to discuss MorphOS here, since a) it is Amiga compatible (like UAE basically, even if in a different way) b) it has an AmigaOS API which makes it Amiga-like much like Linux is UNIX-like even in lower levels (in fact, I believe MorphOS and AROS to be "*miga" just like Solaris, Linux and NetBSD are "*nix" - good analogy in my opinion) c) it has a version that runs on Amigas d) last and least (for this argument at least) it was made by people who are known amigans that have contributed a lot to this community.

But most importantly, you are free to discuss MorphOS here since the site owner, Christian Kemp, has decided that ANN covers MorphOS. I myself very much agree with Christian's opinion.

Amiga Inc. bought the IP and the trademark, not the community.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 17 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Janne Sirén on 14-Feb-2003 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Janne Sirén):
>But most importantly, you are free to discuss MorphOS here since the site
>owner, Christian Kemp, has decided that ANN covers MorphOS. I myself very
>much agree with Christian's opinion.

Forgot to add here that this is also why Pegasos is covered here. This is just to clarify, since Pegasos' relation to Amiga is admittedly less than MorphOS's relation to Amiga (but more than Windows XP's relation to Amiga via UAE, since Pegasos was designed with MorphOS in mind, whereas Windows XP was not designed with UAE in mind)...

These are complex issues when taken to detailed level, but I believe that common sense will prevail over trademark loyalty. I believe my analogy of comparing AmigaOS to UNIX, both now relatively widely cloned trademarked operating systems, to be sound and accurate. Linux and NetBSD don't have to own the trademarks to own the common distinction of being in the "*nix" family of operating systems. MorphOS and AROS have a similar relation to AmigaOS, and therefore it is logical for ANN to cover all of them (and hardware that is designed and sold specially for them).

One could argue that Pegasos is in fact more Amiga related in a technological point of view, since MorphOS was designed with AmigaOS in mind, and Pegasos was designed with MorphOS in mind, but AmigaOne was designed only with MAI's chipset evaluation in mind (and only later some stuff added for desktop us).

But I won't go there. Instead, I'll use common sense and try not to overanalyze these things. With this in mind, it is clear to me that there are three Amiga-related operating system offerings and currently two hardware platforms tailored for those (in addition to the Classic Amiga product family). There is also a plethora of past, current and future software, accessories and possible spinoff products that are related to those.

And this is what, in my opinion, a site for this community should be about. Christian and his moderators are mostly doing a fabulous job covering this, in my opinion. Thanks, guys!
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 18 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaGuy on 14-Feb-2003 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (greenboy):
I'm not saying that I think people shouldn't be allowed to post MorphOS news or they should have there submissions deleted or something like that, the more posts the better (gives me something to do at work). It just seems odd to me that people aren't making posts every time MS does something new when XP is more Amiga compatible then pretty much anything out there. I'm also sure if someone did start making MS posts all the time people would start getting upset and their submissions would be considered in appropriate.

AmigaGuy
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 19 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 14-Feb-2003 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (AmigaGuy):
That would not be posts regarding winXP but regarding WinUAE... Here MorphOS itself is amiga compatible and amiga like. Windows is not at all !
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 20 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Feb-2003 18:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
You can not be that stupid.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 21 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 14-Feb-2003 18:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (greenboy):
oooh I like the Vonnegut reference, but I don't have this issue...of lacking an official license... I actually am an Amiga branded product, having had the Boing ball tatoo'd to my hind end some years ago....

and before you ask, its an official license too....I picked one up a few years ago, when Amiga thought maybe they could make more money selling logo's than computers...a-la Harley-Davidson--> t-shrits, mugs, tie tacks, albums, cigarettes, sweaters, cafe's....etc..

....hmmm did that even happen?

its truth for those whom it is true </megre>
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 22 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 14-Feb-2003 19:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (MarkTime):
MarkTime,

Why do I have an urge to quote Buckaroo Banzai here? ; } Anyway, I'm avoiding doing so. Just make sure the brand has some salve applied to it and everything will be all right.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 23 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 14-Feb-2003 20:31 GMT
Don't feed the anonymous trolls
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 24 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 14-Feb-2003 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (MarkTime):
>oooh I like the Vonnegut reference, but I don't have this issue...of lacking an official license... >I actually am an Amiga branded product, having had the Boing ball tatoo'd to my hind end some years >ago....


Bwahahahahahaha!

I love it!

This is what I love about the amiga community....in the MS world this stuff just never happens. MS discussion groups are so boring. :)

coldfire
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 25 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 14-Feb-2003 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (catohagen):
No, I do not think so, there is a major difference here, Nokia never spoke about Amiga Inc, while Plexuscom at least have said a couple of words.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 26 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 15-Feb-2003 07:29 GMT
:-)

BTW, we will be offering the next batch of boards through the channels we have used in the past AND through the Phoenix Developer Consortium. The price for Phoenix members who are participating in our quasi-sourceforge relationship with Genesi is $299 for the Pegasos mainboard with CPU.

The new cases will come only with the Pegasos configured according to a certain specification.

Best regards,

R&B
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 27 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 15-Feb-2003 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (bbrv):
You know, I cast my mind back about a year or so when the trolls were blocking
the A1 bridge by saying that a far eastern manufacturer was somehow bad and at least the Pegasos boards were manufactured in Germany.

Now at least some of the Pegasos boards are being manufactured in the far east
it would be nice to see some of those quasi-racists eat their words....
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 28 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 15-Feb-2003 08:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (DaveP):
Hi Dave, they will still be produced in Germany...and in Taiwan!

R&B
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 29 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 15-Feb-2003 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (bbrv):
Exactly. Like geography was ever a problem!

I'm still grinning over the fact you are launching in CeBit and Amiga Inc
is not confirmed. ;-)
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 30 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 15-Feb-2003 08:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (DaveP):
Thanks Dave!

FYI, the CeBIT release is nothing when compared to what will happen next...;-)

R&B
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 31 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 15-Feb-2003 10:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (DaveP):
There is something racist about believing German made products to be of higher quality than those in the far east?

coldfire
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 32 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 15-Feb-2003 10:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (coldfire):
If it can't be substantiated yes. You could say a "belief" does not have to
be substantiated. Sure, thats fine if you just apply that "belief" to yourself
but as soon as you try to persaude others of it you need to provide
evidence rather than heresay.

Do you think somehow magically that the Pegasos is going to be less well made
because it is on an far eastern production line? Or do you think that by having
a German touch it at some level of the production ( say design ) it is somehow inherently superior to those which have been designed by non Germans ( say Italians or Americans )?
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 33 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 15-Feb-2003 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (coldfire):
coldfire wrote:
> There is something racist about believing German made products to be of higher quality than those in the far east?

That could be the case; it'd depend on who was saying what about German and far-east manufacturing. It could just be that somebody has the rather outdated idea that European manufacturing is inherently superior. But something to keep in mind is that many of the fabs and other manufacturing facilities in the far east are state-of-the-art.

I was reading about a furniture maker -- sorry, can't recall the name offhand -- that started up in Hongkong, opened new factories in China, and bought a well-known US competitor to get the distribution channels, retailers, and brand name. This guy invested in the top computerized woodworking tools available and has a very well-trained workforce. He now produces the finest furniture you can buy outside of small custom shops. So any stereotypes about "far east manufacturing" are apt to be out of date. Manufacturing of the highest quality is just as likely to be found in China or other far east countries as in North America or Europe or Japan.

-- gary_c
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 34 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 15-Feb-2003 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (DaveP):
>>You know, I cast my mind back about a year or so when the trolls were blocking the A1 bridge by saying that a far eastern manufacturer was somehow bad and at least the Pegasos boards were manufactured in Germany. <<

It has been known for more then 1 year that only a small amount of these Pegasos boards can be produced by DCE, while higher production runs will come from the 'far-east'.
btw. The A1 bridge was designed by a german company (Escena) and iirc should also be produced in Germany by DCE

>>Now at least some of the Pegasos boards are being manufactured in the far east it would be nice to see some of those quasi-racists eat their words....<<

I think it was less about the fact, that DCE is located in Germany but more about the fact, that DCE has been active in the Amiga market for many years.


Most of todays boards are produced in the 'far-east' and only a very few in Germany. I never saw (and dont believe) that anyone here tried to make the case, that german mainboards are superior to those from elsewhere..this would be quite stupid.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 35 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 15-Feb-2003 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (gary_c):
We agree about something. Shouldn't the universe have come to an end?
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 36 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 15-Feb-2003 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (logain):
Perhaps my memory is faulty, I sure ended up reading a lot of threads that
started talking about Mercedes and BMW being an example of Germanic superiority.

The point being, that daft opinions like this should not be the basis for a
purchase decision.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 37 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 15-Feb-2003 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (coldfire):
>There is something racist about believing German made products to be of higher quality than those in the far east?

Here is something especially divisive (and dare I say it, feeble-minded) to argue for. Not to mention that one can best evaluate products and services on a per-instance basis.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 38 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Feb-2003 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (gary_c):
Well, what I know is that Dantax speakers that come from the Danish factory are
if MUCH higher quality over the ones they started manufacturing in the far east
and they cost more. Actually most Danish products aren't even in their public
catalog, they are made on demand.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 39 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Feb-2003 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
I just bought some Danish bacon on demand.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 40 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 15-Feb-2003 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
I don't think you bought that piece of bacon from a special dealer though,
cause that's (almost) the only place you can buy the high end Dantax stuff ;)
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 41 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Feb-2003 15:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
No it was from Tesco, but it was still pretty good.
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 42 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Onetrack on 15-Feb-2003 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (bbrv):
BBRV wrote:

[SNIP].........The price for Phoenix members who are participating in our quasi-sourceforge relationship with Genesi is $299 for the Pegasos mainboard with CPU.

The new cases will come only with the Pegasos configured according to a certain specification.
--------------------
Bill,
Are these the silver cases shown on morphos-news.de?
What is the Phoenix members group ? I'm assuming since you mentioned sourceforge they are (possibly) a programming team (behind morphos ?)

Best regards,
Onetrack
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 43 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 15-Feb-2003 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Onetrack):
> Onetrack :
>What is the Phoenix members group ? I'm assuming since you mentioned sourceforge they are (possibly) a programming team (behind morphos ?)

See http://PhiNiXi.com

====
And Hi all! To enjoy Phoenix membership and a $299 Pegasos just email me with some details of ID, and dev interests. Send to:

greenboy@phinixi.com

The infrastructure to process requests and membership is not yet in place so we have to do it the old-fashioned labor intensive way. Phoenix is next on the list to get a makeover for a web-integrated communication and groupware development system (though we are already testing Tiki [http://tikiwiki.sourceforge.net/] after trying quite a few wikis, etc). We are likely to be integrating GForge [http://gforge.org/] as well.

I'll process emails within a day or two of your email (at worst!) and you will be subscribed with your supplied email address to the Phoenix GENERAL and ANNOUNCEMENT mail lists, where you will be kept aware of purchase timeline details.

We plan to make Phoenix the campus and nexus for ALL THIRD-PARTY free and commercial development under on multiple OSes for Pegasos and future Genesi products. Within Phoenix's long-held, expanded definition of "developer", anyone who is able to contribute as webmaster, content provider, financier, entrepreneur, reseller, document builder, reporter/journalist, coder, leader, etc, is ELIGIBLE. Thus the mention of USER GROUPS : }

 
<-- greenboy ---<<<<    coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
 
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 44 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Feb-2003 19:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (bbrv):
>FYI, the CeBIT release is nothing when compared to what will happen next...;-)

Some BIIIG and Earthshaking news to come from Lithuania? :-D
SCNR
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 45 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 15-Feb-2003 20:50 GMT
Nice news - and a very good partner Bill! :-)

I'd like to see what this does to cost of the total
solution, and for emergence of the product in the
Eastern market (especially Japan! imagine what some
of those hobbyist/loving coders at Sega and Square
could do with this kit - especially as PowerPC
is such a beautiful chip!)


as for other viewpoints

1) Linux isnt *nix - as anyone with 1/2 clue would know
(*nix is the real stuff, * doesnt mean wildcard match,
its a 'not UNIX' copyright clause)

2) anyone who believes european production values are best
obviously hasnt been living in the real world for the past two
decades - but yes, some of the worst and cheapest stuff ALSO
comes from far east! ;-)

3) MorphOS is more than tolerated here simply because its got the
ABox sand-box. if it didnt run Amiga apps 'straight out of box'
then it'd not be here....as it'd then be like Linux or BeOS...and
there are sites for those already

alan
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 46 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 16-Feb-2003 02:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (gary_c):
>That could be the case; it'd depend on who was saying what about German and far-east manufacturing. >It could just be that somebody has the rather outdated idea that European manufacturing is >inherently superior. But something to keep in mind is that many of the fabs and other manufacturing >facilities in the far east are state-of-the-art.

Perhaps. I only know that most of the goods I've bought from china and other far eastern places, with the exception of Japan, tend to be substandard. Probably not from the skill of the workers but just from working toward an extreme bottom line. My wife has gotten to the point of resewing all the buttons on shirts I get now as she KNOWS the buttons WILL come off due to really rotten quality thread. Levis jeans were once virtually indestructable but now they are the same crappy quality as any other denim from the far east. Electronics may be a different matter. I know Korea makes some fine electronic equipment. I think German goods are generally considered to be top quality...they've earned that rep over decades. I never thought German made stuff was better because I'm racist...simply because everything I ever bought that said "made in Germany" was solid high quality work....albeit a little pricey. I've got Phase 5 equipment that still serves me well after a decade of hard use. I owned a Scirocco that I tried my best to destroy and it ran and ran until the body finally literally rusted away. I could be wrong...I haven't done any "scientific studies" on the matter...it's just a perception I get from the quality of products I've purchase over the last 3 decades.

coldfire
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 47 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 16-Feb-2003 02:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (alan buxey):
1) Linux isnt *nix - as anyone with 1/2 clue would know
(*nix is the real stuff, * doesnt mean wildcard match,
its a 'not UNIX' copyright clause)

Nope...it's POSIX compliant. It is very similar to Unix however.

They call it GNU/Linux mostly...I think I recall GNU as standing for GNU Not Linux or some such.

coldfire
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 48 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 16-Feb-2003 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
And what it is so funny about Lithuania ? =)
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 49 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 16-Feb-2003 07:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (brotheris):
Yes, what is so funny? We hope there is a Genesi Lithuania one day too!

Sincerely,

R&B
Plexuscom and Genesi to Cooperate on PegasosPPC for CeBit Release : Comment 50 of 107ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 16-Feb-2003 08:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (bbrv):
I suppose someone just confused Luxemburg's domain .lu with Lithuania's.
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