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Posted on 19-Feb-2003 22:38 GMT by Whatever (Edited on 2003-02-20 14:16:56 GMT by Christophe Decanini)86 comments
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Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 1 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 19-Feb-2003 21:52 GMT
Honest and not exxagerating. Nice interview.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 2 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Marcus Sundman on 19-Feb-2003 22:01 GMT
"We don't see any overriding reason why SNAP cannot be included with the AmigaOne version of AmigaOS 4.0. SciTech will migrate the codebase to Linux PPC (thus ridding us of any potential endian conflicts) and we will take it from there."
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 3 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Jack Me on 19-Feb-2003 22:24 GMT
Nice interview. Things are looking good.:)
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 4 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 19-Feb-2003 22:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Emeric SH):
Yes, a very nice interview. Finally an honest update on the development status
of AOS4. Sounds OK to me. Mr. hermans sounds honest and reasonably cautious in
his predictions.Very good.

If the exact completion date is still not completely set (since everything
is not yet completed), I can understand if AInc is reluctant to take the risk of
booking a stand at Cebit, _in_case_ they'll have nothing to show. Well then.I'll
live with that, now that we at least aren't completely left in the dark anymore.

Let's see how the ususal suspects manages to trash this thread now.
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SlimJim
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 5 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 19-Feb-2003 22:40 GMT
Ok.. Not too bad. Leaves some speculations due some word selections but apparently confirms most rumours about partial status of OS4. Lot's of soon and other nice words.. But, it's a start.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 6 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 19-Feb-2003 23:01 GMT
I liked this interview. Thanks to Ben for his honesty and giving straight answers and not using BillMcEwen-isms.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 7 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 19-Feb-2003 23:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (SlimJim):
Further news is forthcoming. Stay tuned.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 8 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 19-Feb-2003 23:22 GMT
Nice to see (at least) some info regarding their project status. I know this has been requested among A1 buyers for a very a long time now. Even I am somewhat interested, but more from a spectators point of view of course! :-P

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"If Amiga goes bankrupt, our license is commuted to an exclusive license to develop AmigaOS further, for any platform, not just PPC. This legally excludes a potential new owner from exploiting the source-code himself.

There is therefore nothing to be gained from buying Amiga's assets in the event of bankruptcy unless the new owner is willing to work with the OS 4 development team in good faith. "
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A hypothetical question: What if the new owners instead of working with the OS4 development team in good faith decides to just take MorphOS or AROS and proclaim that "the new AmigaOS *5*", without using Hyperions source code at all?

I think that might be a valid question since I don't think Amiga Inc will be around that much longer ...
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 9 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by AmiTroll on 19-Feb-2003 23:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (JoannaK):
>Ok.. Not too bad. Leaves some speculations due some word selections but apparently confirms most rumours about partial status of OS4. Lot's of soon and other nice words.. But, it's a start.

Lot's of speculations about possible representations of facts inconsistant to the meaning blatently obvious to even the moderatly educated. Argumentative positioning posibilitys also not withstanding.

Wheeee!!! :)


I'll put my two cents about the interview this way...
Good read and good news. Thanks to whomever done it. :)

GRUNT
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 10 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Feb-2003 23:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Marcus Sundman):
"Any overriding reason"?

Like a release some time this decade?

Oh well. A very good and interesting interview, thanks. The interviewer knew what (s)he was talking about and the questions weren't the usual sycophantic claptrap we're used to seeing ("You roxorz, Bill McE!" "Yeah, I know!").

So, it is confirmed. AmigaOS 4.0 hasn't even been through feature freeze yet, and they're still testing the modules and parts that after all are finished separately. And now another change. Sigh. :-( Good luck Hyperion, we're waiting anxiously (not that it'll stop us from using other options meanwhile).
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 11 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by SqMonk on 20-Feb-2003 00:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (takemehomegrandma):
>A hypothetical question: What if the new owners instead of working with the OS4
> development team in good faith decides to just take MorphOS or AROS and proclaim that
> "the new AmigaOS *5*", without using Hyperions source code at all?
>
> I think that might be a valid question since I don't think Amiga Inc will be around that much
> longer ...

Strange question.

Why would "anybody" do that? Since this wouldn't stop the development of Amiga OS, Hyperium would still have the right to code Amiga and that "somebody else", with the Amiga name, would be sued for copyright infringement for using it as the name of unrelated code.

There are many similar UNIX OSs but they don't try to steal each other's name. Just because MorphOs has a similar gui, doesn't mean it should have the Amiga name. I'm not sure why some people are obsessed with this.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 12 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Feb-2003 00:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
I hope that is would not stop anybody from using what the like. It will not be stopping me from using what I like.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 13 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Xeyes on 20-Feb-2003 02:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (SqMonk):
You're mixing copyright and trademark.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 14 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Feb-2003 04:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (takemehomegrandma):
>I think that might be a valid question since I don't think Amiga Inc
>will be around that much longer ...

Don't count on it. Seriously.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 15 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Dan Boyd on 20-Feb-2003 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Thanks Ben. Its not the waiting thats killing us, but the lack of news, regular factual updates, and honest status reports.

This redresses the balance a little. Good stuff.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 16 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 20-Feb-2003 07:21 GMT
It comes down to funds. They need money. Even though it's a company, there's no reason why we can't treat it as a shareware type project and just send them a check. I am going to do that on Wednesday February 26th, 2003. I'm sending at least $60 Canadian.

Amiga! We have to use a different strategy.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 17 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 20-Feb-2003 07:23 GMT
Forgot to add, "no strings attached".
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 18 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 20-Feb-2003 08:26 GMT
Donít be so negative, it an interesting read, it donít go into the dept on how many native modules there working under ExecNG is there an Workbench running on the new kernel, is there anything ported to the native new kernel, or is there just the kernel an the hole thing suspended to make income for the project it self.

There is interesting to se that there is only 8 thins missing, are 68k programs counted as finished modules?
(I do not consider the finished until recompiled for PPC, and working.)

>We are now down to 8 outstanding items of the feature-list we released some time ago.

I dear AInc to put up green finish tags on there features that are working and ported to PPC,
Yellow on the items working as 68k modules and finished.
Red cross not yet ported/unfinished modules.
Black Question marks on items that may be dropped or delayed to OS4.1 to 4.9.

If you do not do this I will se this as attempt to not inform there consumers and keep them waiting for some thing that may/may not realised with in the expected and acceptable time, I do think the customers should be given the change to run some thing else wile waiting if the wait is longer then expected.

If the product is a killer platform the customers will return if it is there money worth, if they do this customers may change there minds on the Hyperion/AInc towards there informing consumers about status quote.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 19 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 20-Feb-2003 08:48 GMT
Excellent interview.

It costs just a few moments of someone's time and we're happy!

Thanks Ben. :)

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Sam
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 20 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 20-Feb-2003 08:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Can I start getting excited yet? :)

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Sam
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 21 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Alex Klauke on 20-Feb-2003 09:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
> So, it is confirmed. AmigaOS 4.0 hasn't even been through feature freeze yet,

Where do you read this?

Right over here there is a feature freeze _before_ the final beta testing
starts. I wonder if that would not be the same at every software company (ie.
where I work it definately _is_). ;-)

Even then, OS4.0 feature freeze was announced in Nov. 2002 IIRC (late last
year). You're the one whos a bit late...

Ciao, Alex
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 22 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by EmGee on 20-Feb-2003 09:17 GMT
At last, a sensible interview, with good and honest answers. Just like it happens in the real world (tm). No 'exciting' this, and 'marvelous' that.
I really hope this will hush all those kids who can't wait for OS4 to be ready. They can't with only 3 senior in house developers who also have to spend time on other projects! We simply have to live with this.
Too bad we live in these awful economic times, where not many investment companies invest money in small companies like Hyperion/Amiga Inc.

Way to go Ben!
And keep up the good work Hyperion.

EmGee
PS. Shouldn't Hyperion be called Amiga Inc. now ? ..... just a thought :)
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 23 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Feb-2003 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (SqMonk):
> Why would "anybody" do that? Since this wouldn't stop the development of
> Amiga OS, Hyperium would still have the right to code Amiga and
> that "somebody else", with the Amiga name, would be sued for copyright
> infringement for using it as the name of unrelated code.

> There are many similar UNIX OSs but they don't try to steal each other's
> name. Just because MorphOs has a similar gui, doesn't mean it should have the
> Amiga name. I'm not sure why some people are obsessed with this.

As Xeyes said, you're mixing copyright up with trademarks. And it was only a hypothetical question (not an obsession); if Hyperion has an exclusive right to develop AmigaOS4.x, and a *legally new owner* of the "Amiga" brand chooses another path to go regarding the OS and to call that "AmigaOS 5.x", in which position will Hyperion find themselves then with their OS4?

AFAIR, Hyperions rights are limited to OS4.x, and Amiga Inc have said that *they* will develop OS5 themselves, inhouse (but I don't know if I remember this correctly). And besides, Amiga Inc has allready proven that you can call just about anything "Amiga", even products that hasn't got the slightest connection to Amiga whatsoever ...
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 24 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 20-Feb-2003 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Alex Klauke):
A feature freeze does not count when your own staff say the list isn't final and anyway they intend to "sneak in" more features. See posts by the Friedens on OS4 list, A.org etc. Once again in this interview Ben says that he's considering cutting features (InstallerNG) at this late stage... no feature freeze there.

Of course if you want to believe in fairytales... "On schedule and rocking"
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 25 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 20-Feb-2003 09:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (JoannaK):
"Ok.. Not too bad. Leaves some speculations due some word selections but apparently confirms most
rumours about partial status of OS4. Lot's of soon and other nice
words.. But, it's a start."

In Joanna-speak, that is great praise. ;-)
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 26 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 20-Feb-2003 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (EmGee):
It is possible to outsource some programming to places like India.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 27 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 20-Feb-2003 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
The feature-list is frozen but I do think that people would not accept it if we would hold back release of the whole OS because of one feature of minor importance.

As far as I understand the word "feature freeze", it means that no further features are planned or introduced in an effort to avoid the dreaded "feature creep".

OTOH, it should be clear that after working for over 15 months with a team of around 30 developers, we already have a nice wishlist for OS 4.1.

You don't honestly expect all these people to walk away and say, "hey, I did my job, now I'm going to sit in the sunshine all day".

The OS 4 dev team is a bunch of hardworking, dedicated individuals who want to see AmigaOS thrive.
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Posted by JoannaK on 20-Feb-2003 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Don Cox):
Well.. actually it is. It's good that Hermans could finally tell they are late and those given reasons seems to fit.

I might disagree somewhat about timeline, but it's one of those things that ain't never 100% sure on software development so it's something we just have to wait and see.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 29 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 20-Feb-2003 11:48 GMT
Mmm any programemrs outhere can't stop laugh, thinking to all Ben promises (the first is the release of OS4 in Febraury 2002).
It is moderated in this interview?
Sure, coz he know that a STABLE PPC OS4 system can't be release until the end of 2003 ... years behind MorhpOS.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 30 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Alex Klauke on 20-Feb-2003 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hello Ben.

> As far as I understand the word "feature freeze", it means that no further
> features are planned or introduced in an effort to avoid the dreaded "feature
> creep".

No other meaning here. Features are specified and fixed/freezed, then the
implementation starts (at latest) and once it is developed to a high degree,
beta testing of the final system can start (or even earlier for already finished
modules). That's what happened for Amiga OS 4.0 as I gather.

What this can mean though is that the actual implementation of a feature
(graphics chipset support in the case of SNAP) may change on the way.
So I see no feature change here but a change of implementation. As long as
it does not add much time to the 'deadline' (if at all) and even highly improves
the future possibilities of AmigaOS4 with regard to fast adaption to new
graphics chipsets, this is simply just 'A Good Thing'(tm) 8-)
(when was the last time we were even near the leading edge of graphics
chipsets?)

> OTOH, it should be clear that after working for over 15 months with a team of > around 30 developers, we already have a nice wishlist for OS 4.1.

I hope you give us some clue of it soon after 4.0 is shipping? Can't wait ;-)
Anyway my schedule is AmigaOne first, 4.0 thereafter, then I'll be a happy
camper whatever comes next.. :-)

> The OS 4 dev team is a bunch of hardworking, dedicated individuals who want
> to see AmigaOS thrive.

Which is highly appreciated. (cannot be repeated enough.. ;-)

Ciao, Alex

in Reply to anonymous (comment 24):

> InstallerNG

I regard it not actually a change of the feature set if one feature is omitted
from the release until finished. And it isn't so that the InstallerNG will never
appear for OS 4(.0). Its implementation is pending, its not cut off the feature
list. Big difference! :)
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 31 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anomy on 20-Feb-2003 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
BTW, what happened to DOpus5? wasn`t in the new feature list anymore, think i read somewhere that Greg P. cancelled every work with Hyperion because they didn`t paid one penny....
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 32 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by anti-eva on 20-Feb-2003 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Eva):
Eat S**t and die - MOS Lover.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 33 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 20-Feb-2003 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (anti-eva):
Nice! Desperate for arguments, are you?
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 34 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 20-Feb-2003 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anomy):
> BTW, what happened to DOpus5? wasn`t in the new feature list anymore, think i
> read somewhere that Greg P. cancelled every work with Hyperion because they
> didn`t paid one penny....

Trying to squeeze as much dirt out of that old (and consequently resolved if you
had followed the news) issue as possible, are you? Or are you just randomly
throwing some controversy around you, hoping someone will take the bait?
.
SlimJim
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 35 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anony on 20-Feb-2003 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (SlimJim):
Whats resolved there? Can`t remember anyone from Hyperion mention this issue besides a "it was all a misunderstanding, we`re fine now". So i assume they had to drop Dopus for lack of money. Nicely solved.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 36 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 20-Feb-2003 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anony):
Hmmm, seem to recall a press release from the Dopus people saying that all was
resolved,also from their point of view.Can't be bothered to dig up a URL though.
.
SlimJim
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 37 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Christoph Gutjahr on 20-Feb-2003 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anony):
I can't remember an announcement/press release stating that DOpus5 would be an integral part of OS4? It was just said that Hyperion would continue development, it was never promised to be a part of AmigaOS4.

If you disagree, feel free to post some evidence for your claims.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 38 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Feb-2003 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Eva):
Ok, I know that was a troll, but...

>Mmm any programemrs outhere can't stop laugh, thinking to all Ben promises (the first is the release of OS4 in Febraury 2002).

Well... the Genesi "14 days" is almost as hilarous.

>Sure, coz he know that a STABLE PPC OS4 system can't be release until the end of 2003 ... years behind MorhpOS

So, the stable MOS is already released? Was that the 9.Feb release? Ok then, fine.

But how do count that the end of y2003 is "years behind MorphOS"?
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 39 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Feb-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anomy):
IIRC, it was never on the featurelist.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 40 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 20-Feb-2003 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Way to go.

Do not invent any new features (otherwise we kick your *ss).

Instead deliver the OS ASAP, if not even sooner.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 41 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 20-Feb-2003 15:18 GMT
YOU ALL ARE WAAYYYYYYYY TOO FORGIVING.

Here is why having limited resources and 3 good developers is a lousy excuse for failure:

Amiga, Inc had many directions they *could* have gone. Remember QNX? They could have stuck with that....remember Linux? The could have stuck with that....remember MorphOS? It was an option, even at the time Hyperion was selected.

Hyperion was selected because they promised they could do something.

They haven't been able to deliver. Now Amiga, Inc. is just plain stuck.

Hyperion promised they could do it, now they cry, but its soooo harddd!! WAAAAAA!!!

You all seriously need to begin to understand the difference between YOUR interests and SOMEONE elses.

I don't care one whit how hard it is, if they couldn't do it, they should have stood aside...there were other people who both could and would have done it.

The massive efforts around QNX, and Linux, AND MorphOS, all of which could have been the next AmigaOS....all of which shipped a long time ago (AmigaXL, Amithlon, and MorphOS all shipped)

I am not interested in the EXCUSES FOR FAILURE.

Tell ya what, my hero's in the technical realm have always been people who produced, not those who used lawyerly words to excuse their failures...

What is important to YOU???
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 42 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by dirigent on 20-Feb-2003 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (MarkTime):
> What is important to YOU???

To know when not to speak.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 43 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 20-Feb-2003 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (MarkTime):
Good point. It seems personal interests led to the current situation...

But we'll see what happens to OS4&MOS...
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 44 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 20-Feb-2003 17:03 GMT
The DOpus thing was resolved, I remember that it was a simple misunderstanding, and nothing has changed - DOpus 5 will still be on the OS4 CD, in the extra software part.

I am glad that a decently honest interview has taken place now. Now whilst the current OS4 is way more advanced than the original OS4 planned for Feb 2002 (which was pretty basic, the current one is more like OS4.2) I hope that it will be available before the middle of the year.

I wonder what the other announcements will be about... one for the new Firmware for the AmigaOne ....

Is OS4 booting on any hardware yet, into Workbench? Even without any 68k emulation ... is there a possibility of some screenshots?
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 45 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by TimeWillTell on 20-Feb-2003 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (MarkTime):
If you think that QNX, Linux, or MOS are suitable replacements for Amiga OS,
you certainly should use them and get off of the discussions surrounding OS4.

With all of the years of devolpment of Linux, it still can't be used by a
fool like me. QNX has no legacy and no path to the future because of it. MOS,
with all of its' years of development is still VERY buggy.

As far as choosing MOS, Bill Mc tried to work with Ralph and was told NO
thankyou very emphatically.

Hyperion are the guys that have stepped up and taken on the job. They have
made an incredible amount of progress in the time since they started. We can
only be glad that they underestimated the size of the project, or they probably
wouldn't have taken it on. We would have no where to go. MOS cannot break through
without the Amiga name there just isn't enough to reccommend it to the world.

Amiga's prospects are dimm enough without people who represent themselves as
Amigans attacking the spirit and fibre of those that have done and are doing an
incredible job in the face of very difficult circumstances. These people claim
that they are just asking important questions, but many are deluded into thinking
if Amiga fails that MOS will be able to carry the banner. MOS has every prospect
of being a good OS, but has virtually no chance to attract the outside world and
therefore be anything other than a C64 style cult. This isn't even their fault
it is just reality.

I want to thank the Hyperion team once again for demonstrated fortitude in the
face of continue FUD assaults. You have much more tolerance than I do.

But then again only TimeWillTell
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 46 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Richi on 20-Feb-2003 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (TimeWillTell):
I COMPLETELY agree with You!
Good luck Hyperion!
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 47 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 20-Feb-2003 17:32 GMT
So where exactly does Amiga Inc. fit into this equation? Hyperion agrees to the strategic relationship but Amiga fails to capitalize on the opportunity for additional coverage.

Someone check for a pulse.
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 48 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 20-Feb-2003 17:48 GMT
> MOS with all its years is still VERY BUGGY

I can't let you say that ! That are a few things to fix here and there but overall it works very well. I've had no crash for a very long time here. (since the last update)

And I use it all the day as my only system !

There's no reason why it could have not become the new amigaOS...

But that's not the right thread actually !
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 49 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Dan Andersson on 20-Feb-2003 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (mahen):
"There's no reason why it could have not become the new amigaOS..."

"But that's not the right thread actually !"

Only the the morphos-textbook rightone to hint it in...
Amiga-News.de interviewing Ben Hermans : Comment 50 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by TimeWillTell on 20-Feb-2003 18:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (mahen):
I will again reiterate, when Bill and Fleecy went to Ralph, he told them no!

They were forced to go in another direction, originally H&P. Ralph could have
had the same deal as Ben. The reasons he didn't are his business, but don't
blame Amiga for not trying that avenue first!

A deal that was good enough for Ben was not good enough for Ralph.

We all are living with these choices. There is little doubt that, if Ralph said
yes, we certainly would have a very fine and functional OS. Also, there would be
no split in the community. But that is not what happened, so we have to make the
best of the actual situation.

Of course only TimeWillTell.
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