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Posted on 21-Feb-2003 08:49 GMT by Thomas Steiding (Edited on 2003-02-21 16:21:16 GMT by Christophe Decanini)69 comments
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Today e.p.i.c. interactive started shipping the Empire Builder Knights & Merchants, which is now the first commercially available game for MorphOS. Knights&Merchants retails at EUR 49,95 and requires a Pegasos with 600 Mhz, 64 MByte RAM and MorphOS 1.0 or better. More information on this Real Time Strategy game can be found in the projects section of our homepage.

Knights and Merchants can be described as a strategic economy simulation. In the main, the economics play a major role in this real-time action game. The player can manufacture different products, making use of numerous buildings and producer goods of the Middle Ages period. He can use his serfs to construct and maintain buildings and roads. The economical structuring is very specific. You manufacture finished products using various raw materials which go through your production processes. All these manufacturing systems are highly detailed and visually understandable, enabling fast and dependable control of your economy. One result of all your productive labors is the manufacture of weapons and armor. But the logistics, too, are really worth a mention. You decide where and how merchandise will be transported on the network of streets which you yourself have planned and constructed. Your serfs transport all wares between buildings, so your town planning plays a major role in production time per building, and, resulting from that, just how efficient your economy as a whole is going to be. Transported goods are displayed graphically. Each figure in the game has his/her own mission area and carries out individual tasks independently. They don´t depend on your commands or actions. You, the player, only give indirect commands for the construction of buildings, streets, corn fields, etc. However, you do have complete control of the military units.
Dealers please contact GTI/Schatztruhe.

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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Feb-2003 08:10 GMT
> and MorphOS 1.0 or better.
It runs on Windows 3.1! Yippeee!
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Posted by mahen on 21-Feb-2003 08:18 GMT
Nice one, I'll order it ASAP...
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 21-Feb-2003 08:36 GMT
Looks pretty nice. Good to see some new games
being released again. If I decide to get a
Pegasos I might consider trying it out. :)
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Posted by samface on 21-Feb-2003 09:32 GMT
LOL! I game only available for MorphOS Betatesters? Yeah, I'm sure this will really become a top-seller...

...but then, I guess not much software in the land of Amiga are top-sellers to begin with. :-/
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Posted by RockG4 on 21-Feb-2003 10:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
:-)
On my home page you can find tha patch to run it on ms-dos 6.22
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Posted by Radfoo on 21-Feb-2003 11:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (RockG4):
It does seem a bit daft to make any game MorphOS, OS4 or Amithlon specific at the moment. Especially if it only need low spec hardware to run?!
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Posted by mahen on 21-Feb-2003 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Radfoo):
I don't think it's the case. Is it ?
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Posted by [JC] on 21-Feb-2003 11:25 GMT
It only needs low spec hardware if you're talking in the PC/MAC sense. These days, an 800MHz Athlon/P3 is considered low spec for the PC, and 400MHz G3 is low spec for the Mac.

A 68K based Amiga (excluding Amithlon) would be far too slow to run it, and a PPC accelerated Classic Amiga just has too many problems, the extra development time required to get around many of the limitations makes it not worth our while to bother.

MorphOS support comes because we have a Pegasos board and MorphOS, and porting the underlying library that all our game ports use to this is a couple of months work, meaning we don't lose much if it doesn't work out.

If/When OS 4 comes along and is feasible, it will be another matter of months to develop the same library for it, and have the games available for it, assuming the market potential is there.

Standard disclaimer: Opinions are mine and not neccesarily those of my employer.
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Posted by Radfoo on 21-Feb-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 ([JC]):
Fair comment, I did not realise it needed such such a high spec.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Feb-2003 13:06 GMT
Nice! :-)
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Posted by Jon on 21-Feb-2003 13:22 GMT
Go e.p.i.c! It's good to see new releases.
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Posted by kriz on 21-Feb-2003 13:23 GMT
mmm good too see new stuff out ...
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Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 21-Feb-2003 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (samface):
>LOL! I game only available for MorphOS Betatesters? Yeah, I'm sure this will really become a top-seller...

Yeah, I guess it would be better to release it for a non-existing OS - THAT would make it a top-seller!
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Posted by samface on 21-Feb-2003 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Jacek Piszczek):
> Yeah, I guess it would be better to release it for a non-existing OS

Well, they just did.

Hint: MorphOS doesn't exist anymore than AmigaOS4, they're both in beta stage.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Feb-2003 13:40 GMT
Good to see new releases, and wery good that it's real time starategy game :)
But I have to say that Foundation Gold looks prettier than those screenshots :)
Screenshots don't tell everything though.
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Posted by Kronos on 21-Feb-2003 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (samface):
LOL

Did you read the lastest Interviews ?

If so you should know that OS4 still hasn't got a working and intregrated 68k-emu, and
most "betatesting" is done on 68k or systems that are to incomplete to run any real SW.

Calling a few add-on modules on a 68k a beta of a PPC-OS is quite a stretch ....
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Posted by mahen on 21-Feb-2003 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (samface):
Samface : it's just not true. We have seen WORKING peg under MOS since 2001. We have not seen yet OS4 (68k emulation not integrated yet ! one of the most important component actually)...

But it's not the place to discuss it over and over again
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 21-Feb-2003 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (samface):
MorphOS has been released as a public beta in February 2001.
We are in february 2003 ...
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Posted by Sum1 on 21-Feb-2003 14:37 GMT
MorphOS is REAL and used by so many people, AmigaOS4? where the hell is that?
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 21-Feb-2003 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Christophe Decanini):
"MorphOS has been released as a public beta in February 2001.
We are in february 2003 ..."

Are you trying to say it will never get out of Beta? ;0)


Seriously, Morphos is in usable state (although beta) and OS4 isn't, quite simple and not really worth discussing.

Hope to see the game for OS4 aswell when it's ready.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Feb-2003 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Sum1):
Yes, there huge amounts of people using MOS..... Or maybe not :)
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 21-Feb-2003 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (samface):
Stop fooling yourself please, MorphOS is being sold with Pegasos machines and
betas for PowerUp cards can be downloaded by many people if they ask for it.
I sadly can't say the same with OS4 running on a PPC only machine.
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Posted by mahen on 21-Feb-2003 14:54 GMT
BTW, we're here to discuss Knights&Merchants :)
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Posted by samface on 21-Feb-2003 15:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Christophe Decanini):
...which required AmigaOS3.x in order to run.

Released or not, it's still not a finished product, just like AmigaOS4. AmigaOS4 may not exist as a *public* beta, but it is in beta testing and has been so for quite some time now. The *only* difference between MorphOS and AmigaOS is that MorphOS used to be a public beta while the other has been kept non-disclosed. I really don't see why this would make MorphOS a better or more available product and I'm quite fed up with MorphOS fans talking about how much more their product "exists". The only way of getting your hands on the current version of MorphOS is if you buy a Pegasos which is only sold to a certain key developers. That is far from beeing an official public release, ready and available in the stores today. Stop deluding yourself with these marketing phrases and face it already; a public beta does not an OS make.
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Posted by Kronos on 21-Feb-2003 15:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (samface):
Huch !!
I'm a "key developer" ?

ROTFLOL !!!
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Posted by gary_c on 21-Feb-2003 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (samface):
Samface wrote:
> > Yeah, I guess it would be better to release it for a non-existing OS
> Well, they just did.
> Hint: MorphOS doesn't exist anymore than AmigaOS4, they're both in beta stage.

Samface, I actually think you must be a fairly intelligent guy, so I can't understand why you constantly let your biases get the better of you. Your constant jibes against MorphOS and Pegasos are so pathetic. If you want to retain any credibility at all, please give it a rest. You seem destined to join the legion of Amiga community crackpots, something you could avoid with a little self-restraint.

-- gary_c
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 21-Feb-2003 15:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Troels Ersking):
He he, what OS is not a beta ?
I apreciate objectivity and I would hope that everyone would give it a try.
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Posted by David Scheibler on 21-Feb-2003 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (samface):
>Pegasos which is only sold to a certain key developers

Are you telling us that KDH, GGSData, Vesalia or ComputerCity only sell to key
developers?
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Posted by MarkTime on 21-Feb-2003 15:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (samface):
@Samface

Though I am repeatedly accuse of being a morphOS user, because of my vocal cricism of Hyperion, the fact is...you are exactly right.

This product is released only in theory. I am interested person, perhaps even wishing to buy the product. But I cannot. The pegasos is not available for sale, and only in buying a pegasos can you get MorphOS.

So this fashion of 'release' puts it in extremely limited availability. For all practical purposes...its not for sale to the public.
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Posted by MarkTime on 21-Feb-2003 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (David Scheibler):
These re-sellers will take money without having product in stock.
I have requested my local dealer...pegasos-usa.com to contact me when the product becomes available...still waiting some months now.
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Posted by mahen on 21-Feb-2003 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (MarkTime):
You can purchase a pegasos with MOS since last year - BUT there was some delay because of some articias problem - it has nothing to do with MorphOS itself; but it harmed MOS a lot... Anyway, this issue is apparently solved.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 21-Feb-2003 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (samface):
"...which required AmigaOS3.x in order to run. "
The part that was used was mainly the WB. It has been replaced with ambient
Same goes for OS4. Your bring another point where MorphOS is ahead in development. Olaf Barthel think about a WB replacement but the OS4 team will
keep the old WB for the initial release.

"Released or not, it's still not a finished product,"
It depends how finished you want it. All OS have a different level of finishing and keep evolve. MorphOS is at the level where normal users can use it witha lot of applications.

" just like AmigaOS4. AmigaOS4 may not exist as a *public* beta, but it is in beta testing and has been so for quite some time now."

Wrong. Without any offence to the OS4 team I can say that they are at the level of integrating the 68k emu on the new PPC kernel.
It is not really the same state. The fact that some people test newer 68k application to be released for OS4 does not put OS4 at the same level of finishing than MorphOS. I don't blame OS4 developer for that, they started to work much later so it makes sense that they are at an earlier stage.

"The *only* difference between MorphOS and AmigaOS is that MorphOS used to be a public beta while the other has been kept non-disclosed."

It is not the only difference as I said before.

"I really don't see why this would make MorphOS a better or more available product and I'm quite fed up with MorphOS fans talking about how much more their product "exists"."

It is more available because ANYONE could get since december 2002. The actual mobo shortage will come to an end soon and ANYONE will be able to get it again.

"The only way of getting your hands on the current version of MorphOS is if you buy a Pegasos which is only sold to a certain key developers."

Wrong, this stage has been passed since a long time. Normal users gor it just by ordering to the dealer.

" That is far from beeing an official public release, ready and available in the stores today."

It is not far from being a finished release. It has been released. the only thing missing is some third party applications where the contract were not finalised. It will be sorted out soon.

" Stop deluding yourself with these marketing phrases and face it already; a public beta does not an OS make."

It is available to normal users and the evidence is that some post on this thread that they will buy it.
Please STOP trolling. Will you have done such remarks if OS4 was in public beta for the last 2 years and if Epic announced that the game was released for OS4 ?
Will you have done such remark if Epic would have done an announcement about this game ported to the AmigaDE ?

I'am sick of the exagerated trolling from both sides. Support your favorite solution if you want but do not keep trolling on the other solution threads.

And BTW thanks Epic. You do a great job :)
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Posted by mahen on 21-Feb-2003 15:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (mahen):
Finally, MOS *works* on pegasos since last year or maybe even before. We just mean : anyone can buy it since last year. Can boot their pegasos on morphos, can run MOS software or 68k emulated software etc...

Samface can't deny that !!!!!! Even if it's "beta". No OS is ever "finished" anyways...
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Posted by miksuh on 21-Feb-2003 15:58 GMT
Argh!!! This ´thread was about game, not OS4 vs MOS :P

I think it would be good idea if MOS and OS4 camps would fight against each other in Quake/Quake-II or some war strategy game :) Atleast it would be more fun, and people would then solve which camp is stronger :)

There should also be some public games like: Hyperion + Amiga Inc vs bPlan + Thendic :)
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Posted by gz on 21-Feb-2003 16:10 GMT
@Samface

I think you have forgotten the topic which was not about the current state or version of neither mos or os4.

The topic clearly stated that it was about the FIRST commercial game which you can now buy for the pegasos/mos, and quite simply that's all it was about. What you're discussing (The readyness of an operating system) has nothing to do with this game as long as it doese'nt stop you from playing this game to it's fullest extent.

As long as the game works without problems, it doese'nt affect or ruin your gaming experience on mos and therefore should make it a worthwhile product to consider for anyone wanting to play games on mos, regardless of mos's current state/version.
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Posted by tarbos on 21-Feb-2003 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (samface):
>The only way of getting your hands on the current version of MorphOS is if you>buy a Pegasos which is only sold to a certain key developers. Strange, Mr Hermans wrote two days ago "Getting the Pegasos hardware is trivial".Do you want to call him a liar now?
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Feb-2003 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (samface):
> AmigaOS4 may not exist as a *public* beta, but it is in beta testing and has
> been so for quite some time now.

That's plain wrong. *AmigaOS 4.0* is not in beta testing. Most of the separate *components* that one day will be used to make AmigaOS 4.0 is in beta testing. Then, after completing the OS from these components, it can be beta tested. I.e. the final testing of a complete software product before public release. I don't understand why you choose to interpret this as negative criticism of AmigaOS or Hyperion. It's a matter of neutral fact.

I resent your "MorphOS fans" comment. Understanding simple English and the statements made repeatedly by Hyperion and their developers and contributors does not transform oneself into one of those dreaded "MorphOS fans". BTW, I want to buy both AmigaOS and MorphOS (and a whole lot of other OSes). Why should I have to pick one of your damn "sides"?
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Posted by Sum1 on 21-Feb-2003 16:38 GMT
Samface is a true Amiga blind worshiping zealot twat who hates morphos and the users,

Ignore the cunt FFS IGNORE THE TROLLING CUNT.
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Posted by miksuh on 21-Feb-2003 16:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Sum1):
Posts like that usually just continue the flame war... Better be quiet if you want to ignore someone.
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Feb-2003 16:46 GMT
This game really sucks.
Avoid it and buy Foundation...
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Posted by David Scheibler on 21-Feb-2003 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
>Avoid it and buy Foundation...

Right, Foundation runs very well on MorphOS ;)
Although I think having both, K&M and Foundation, is a good combination :)
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Posted by miksuh on 21-Feb-2003 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
:) Yes Foundation is great :) But there will never be too much realtime startegy games :)
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Posted by Anonymous on 21-Feb-2003 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (David Scheibler):
Sorry, but Foundation sometimes hangs my Pegasos after hours of continuous play. I don't know what is the real problem, it worked perfectly on my 060 :(
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Posted by KennyR on 21-Feb-2003 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Sum1):
Samface needs to take Ben Hermans dick out of his mouth and stop sucking as it is affecting his brain.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma on 21-Feb-2003 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (miksuh):
> I think it would be good idea if MOS and OS4 camps would fight against each
> other in Quake/Quake-II or some war strategy game

Yeah, it would be fun playing Quake with Samface. I could use my "*non-existing*" Pegasos+MorphOS and he could play on his A1+OS4. I wonder who would win?

I guess it would be kind of a "walk over" victory ...
;-)
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Posted by SOTB on 21-Feb-2003 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (KennyR):
Shut up Bill Buck sucker !!!!
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 21-Feb-2003 17:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (KennyR):
No need for insults.
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Posted by SOTB on 21-Feb-2003 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (takemehomegrandma):
LOL ! Do you forget that MOS is still in Beta version, despite it is labelled v1.0 ????? Who is lying to customers ?
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Posted by Kronos on 21-Feb-2003 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (SOTB):
And if we are honest we would also accept that AOS was really just beta till it hit
2.05 .....

So whats the point ? The systems are sold as BETATESTER (even in capital letters), how
could one make it clearer to the costumer that it is still work in progress ?
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 21-Feb-2003 17:39 GMT
I am not sure why some people seem to have
a MorphOS phobia or vice-versa an OS4 phobia.
I think most Amiga developers have decided to
support both machines and OSes as equally as possible
since they have similar features and are both considered
viable solutions by different Amiga users. Don't think
software released on one or the other first means
you will never use it anywhere else, it makes sense
for Amiga developers and users to give both of these
machines/OSes a fair chance in my opinion. Of course
nothing can be released for OS4 until it is available,
with MorphOS you have a public OS already. Also saying
that MorphOS "does not exist" because it's in a working and
stable Beta version is a bit ridiculous. It was ready
enough to demonstrate at the CES with good reviews
of stability and functionality all-around and real enough
to grace the cover of "Amiga Future" magazine. No doubt OS4
will be fantastic too when released, but no home user can
have access to this yet, so this is not an issue...

Also making a 68K or classic PPC version of your game
ensures compatibility between both systems and even
classic Amiga or Amithlon users too. Almost like a
"virtual machine". Optimized or specific versions could
be optional, of course as long as a developer supports
more than one recompile this doesn't need to be an issue.
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