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[News] Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003ANN.lu
Posted on 21-Feb-2003 19:45 GMT by Senex318 comments
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As Genesi announces on MorphOS-News.de, the next Pegasos-I-boards will go on sale on Monday: To Whom it May Concern:

The Pegasos will go on sale Monday.

There are 300 to sell and 100 that will go to MorphOS Developers and Employees.

If interested to purchase a Pegasos mainboard or fully configured machine:

1. Contact your Distributor
2. Contact Phoenix
3. Contact Genesi

When these are sold there will not be another release until August/September 2003. The next release, the Pegasos II, will have double data rates, three 1 Gb/s ethernet channels, and Dual G4s. Genesi will not release a new version until then.

We want everyone to understand this before they purchase the Pegasos available now. All Betatester boards will be exchanged with the first priority.

An upgrade credit will be offered to Pegasos I buyers. The Pegasos I will not have a G4 upgrade.

Thank you and best regards,

Genesi

Note: Please contact Genesi directly to get your replacement board with April chipset (if you haven't done so far). Thank you.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 101 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Leki):
"not if they wont work on the pegasos or there are problems with G4 on the pegasos (not due to MAI as AmigaOnes have G4)"

Wrong it's due to MAI. G4 are working with AOnes, but without L2 cache (same for any Articia base MB).
So a third party can make a G4 upgrade for Pegasos, but without L2 cache.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 102 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 22-Feb-2003 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Joël EHRET):
[Quote]ok, so if i understood correctly, you said that if i run pagestream (for example) on OS4 with dual G4, it will be twice as fast as if it wer ran on a single G4??? ....i really think it's only possible with applications designed with SMP in mind and compiled for OS4... and not with old OS3.x applications...
and for MorphOS, applications compiled for the Q/Box with SMP in mind (see below) are possible and get benefit of SMP

eg, some programs compiled for NT4/NT5 only use 1CPU because they hav not being developed with SMP in mind...[/Quote]

As far as I understand AmigaOS 4.0 will be able to let each OS3.x aplication use it's "own" CPU ... so if you run two OS3.x aplications at one time, then you use both CPUs ... I believe the native OS 4.x aplications will use it in the "normal" way :O)

PS: I'm not sure if this is the real, but I think so ;O)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 103 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 22-Feb-2003 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Anonymous):
Nobody doubts that Hyperion and Eyetech do have G4-boards. But IF -
as one could guess from various statements on the net - the Articia-S
would be still too buggy for a G4 to perform well (maybe even slower
than a G3), then it indeed would be silly for Genesi to design,
produce and sell G4-CPU-modules for the Pegasos-I. Since then, to
finally remove the error, we Pegasos-I-users would need a new
mainboard (maybe preferably with a non-MAI-NB instead of Articia-P)
anyway. And if I could get then an even better mainboard (Peg-II), the
better!

Let's just wait for the first G4-AmigaOnes to arrive at the end-users
and let's do some speed comparisons with G3-Pegasosses.

Furthermore I'm glad, given previous fears by some few people that
Genesi could become STB-only, that this new, modern-featured mainboard
obviously shows Genesi's further commitment to the desktop-market.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 104 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 11:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Max):
"Don't use arguments that can be used against you :) It's not very clever :)"

But the point is it was the MOS fans that used such an argument in the first place.
So its them that are not so clever.

Ben would not of used such an argument in to first place knowing that it could be used against him.

He was simplely pointing out the fact that the MOS ppl had used it.

But the MOS fan had no reason to fear at the time cos they did not know that things would turn out the way they have as fare as Genesi & the Pegasos.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 105 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Senex):
> I'd say the one who laughs last laughs best. If I were a A1-supporter, I'd
> rather rack my brains over why Genesi did so instead of continueing to produce
> Pegasos-Ones until the Pegasos-II is ready (lower expected sales after the
> Peg-II-announcement aside).

yup and i know i will be having a good laff last :)

well the problem is most likly with the pegasos not being fully compatable with the MAI NB.....thats a pegasos problem not an AmigaOne problem.......just like bill bucky made a big deal out of the "april chip"....was needed to fix bugs probably mainly due to the pegasos as eyetech didn`t have all the the major problems that bplan had and could fix it with just a few wires....and also didn`t think that such a small insignificant fix needed a whole name and marketing propaganda sceme like bull bucky started.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 106 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Leki):
" yup and i know i will be having a good laff last :)

well the problem is most likly with the pegasos not being fully compatable with the MAI NB.....thats a pegasos problem not an AmigaOne problem.......just like bill bucky made a big deal out of the "april chip"....was needed to fix bugs probably mainly due to the pegasos as eyetech didn`t have all the the major problems that bplan had and could fix it with just a few wires....and also didn`t think that such a small insignificant fix needed a whole name and marketing propaganda sceme like bull bucky started."

No it's a general Artica based MB problem. Read comment 101 by me.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 107 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (mahen):
how is it a good thing?....its definatly bad.....if people cant see that then they are blind.....pegasos was sold as a multiproccessor computer that can be upgradeable with CPUs. now it cant have a G4 and if you want one then you have to wait for a new montherboard that might come out in september. so people who want a G4 comp *now* will have to get an AmigaOne (or mac)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 108 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 22-Feb-2003 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Leki):
Look, Eyetech will start producing 25-50boards per Day, starting on Monday. So
you should be really happy. Why aren't you?
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 109 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Sam Smith):
well i think they would have had no choice to be open with this one.....they continued selling them saying "CPU upgradeable to G4 and G5" etc when they cant as it would prolly get them sued :)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 110 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 12:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Leki):
" how is it a good thing?....its definatly bad.....if people cant see that then they are blind.....pegasos was sold as a multiproccessor computer that can be upgradeable with CPUs. now it cant have a G4 and if you want one then you have to wait for a new montherboard that might come out in september. so people who want a G4 comp *now* will have to get an AmigaOne (or mac)"

If you want a G4 you can buy a new MotherBoard AT THE SAME PRICE at the announced price for the G4 module for Peg 1. And additionally you get DDR and Gigabit Ethernet. ISn't that better? You got a better solution for the same price!
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 111 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 22-Feb-2003 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Leki):
Then these people will buy a AmigaOne or Mac. So what?
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 112 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 22-Feb-2003 12:09 GMT
Genesi aren't hiding facts, the announcement was
about revealing facts, not hiding. Since the
upgrade to a whole new Dual G4 machine will be
very cost effective it's not a big issue. I think
this just shows that Genesi are improving the
hardware and software on a continual basis, they
are not just releasing a machine and then sitting back
and doing nothing...

I would love to see OS4 running on an AmigaOne but until it
is released or even demoed it's hard to tell what
will happen in this market. Will it even be out by
the time PegasosII arrives? No one can tell. Again
the ideal solution would be to have OS4 on the Pegasos
and MorphOS on the AmigaOne, that way we could choose
the OS and hardware of our liking, but the world isn't
perfect I guess and developers can't seem to get along...
Just for the record, I would still choose the Pegasos
hardware anyday, but I am intrigued by OS4 more than MorphOS
since it's interesting that it's based on the original code
somewhat. (even though both are a bit "iffy" right now)

I have heard reports of people really liking there MorphOS
machines too and reports contradicting this, so what can you
believe? Again it's a wait and see situation, or you can
take a chance on "Pegasos + MorphOS Beta" or
"AmigaOne + Waiting for OS4". Not any good choices right now
really...
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 113 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Max):
@Leki:

Btw it's still possible for a third party to make a G4 upgrade module. But I doubt that there will be people would want it as they can get a better MB for the same price.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 114 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (Max):
wrong the L2 cache works on the AmigaOne.....so its nothing to do with MAI its the pegasos.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 115 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Leki):
"wrong the L2 cache works on the AmigaOne.....so its nothing to do with MAI its the pegasos."

Yes it wworks with G3. but not with G4. So it has to do with MAI :)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 116 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (David Scheibler):
> Look, Eyetech will start producing 25-50boards per Day, starting on Monday.
> So you should be really happy. Why aren't you?

oh i am happy...very happy...i will be one of the first people to get one of the boards and i cant wait to have a G4 Amiga :).

however if this was the other way round and it was the AmigaOne that wouldn`t be getting a G4 upgrade then this thread would have 600 comments by now from fanatical morphos/pegasos fans posting tons of crap about the amigaone. david you are at least more of a sensible morphos/pegasos fan unlike the majority of the others.

i just cant see how some of you can see this as good news that the pegasos wont be getting a G4 now and you will have to wait for a new pegasos that will prolly get delayed for more months as alot of things get delayed.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 117 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (Max):
>If you want a G4 you can buy a new MotherBoard AT THE SAME PRICE at the
>announced price for the G4 module for Peg 1. And additionally you get DDR and
>Gigabit Ethernet. ISn't that better? You got a better solution for the same >price!

i cant buy that now...i have to wait untill after september (or more if its delayed) by that time the AmigaOne will prolly have a G5 ;)

so no its not better if you wanted to have your pegasos CPU upgradeable *now* like it was ment to be able to do. a better solution would be to get An AmigaOne with G4 if you want a G4 Amiga *now* :)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 118 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 12:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (David Scheibler):
>Then these people will buy a AmigaOne or Mac. So what?

well thats my point.....this isn`t good news like someone people seem to think it is for the pegasos as they are losing customers to the AmigaOne (or mac)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 119 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Max):
>Btw it's still possible for a third party to make a G4 upgrade module. But I >doubt that there will be people would want it as they can get a better MB for >the same price.

yup i agree and highly doubt anyone would make a G4 mod for it. not only that but i bet bplan arn`t too good at giving out hardware specs and documentation for there board for 3rd partys to make a CPU mod....i`m sure bplan want to keep the CPU upgrades a proprietary exclusive to them so that they get all the cash for upgrades and dont have to compete with rivals selling CPU mods for it.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 120 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Feb-2003 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (KennyR):
And you should burn in hell.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 121 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Feb-2003 12:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (KennyR):
WEll, my reply was for the one that wrote the comment, not for you:)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 122 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Joël EHRET on 22-Feb-2003 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Leki):
>cant buy that now...i have to wait untill after september (or more if its >delayed) by that time the AmigaOne will prolly have a G5 ;)

G5 from motorola is delayed since... too long, i don't remember....

>so no its not better if you wanted to have your pegasos CPU upgradeable *now* >like it was ment to be able to do. a better solution would be to get An >AmigaOne with G4 if you want a G4 Amiga *now* :)

Wrong, you can have a G4 TeronPX, OS4 is not available, so you just will be able to perfect your linux knowledge...
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 123 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 22-Feb-2003 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> Given the fact that the A-Box cannot support SMP ever BY DESIGN

AmigaOS can not support SMP, MP and RT ever by design, so... better
think twice instead of announcing impossible features.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 124 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 12:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Joël EHRET):
>Wrong, you can have a G4 TeronPX, OS4 is not available, so you just will be
>able to perfect your linux knowledge...

wrong, its still an AmigaOne G4 even if linux is only available right now as it will have OS4 sent to you when its ready and the AmigaOne G4 is OS4 enabled.....if i bought a G4 TeronPX from terrasoft or whoever now it wouldn`t be able to run AmigaOS4 as it isn`t OS4 enabled....it can only run linux (unless you buy the upgrade kit for it)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 125 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Nicolas Sallin):
>AmigaOS can not support SMP, MP and RT ever by design, so... better
>think twice instead of announcing impossible features.

yeah sure.....and i'm sure you know everything about AmigaOS4 dont you...and do you really think you know more about AmigaOS4 than Ben Hermans?....maybe you like to *think* you do heh.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 126 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Leki):
">AmigaOS can not support SMP, MP and RT ever by design, so... better
>think twice instead of announcing impossible features.

yeah sure.....and i'm sure you know everything about AmigaOS4 dont you...and do you really think you know more about AmigaOS4 than Ben Hermans?....maybe you like to *think* you do heh."

AmigaoS 4 use AmigaOS 3.x APIs and some of its design (for compatibility reason) because of that it CAN'T support SMP, MP and/or RT. And this the dream of a lawyer (so Ben Hermans is not a developper!) can't change anything
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 127 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Max):
>AmigaoS 4 use AmigaOS 3.x APIs and some of its design (for compatibility >reason) because of that it CAN'T support SMP, MP and/or RT. And this the dream >of a lawyer (so Ben Hermans is not a developper!) can't change anything

how can any of you say that AmigaOS will NEVER EVER have SMP, MP and/or RT?....can you predict the future? AmigaOS isn`t going to stop at OS4.....it will continute to be developed. Dont under estimate hyperion :)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 128 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Joël EHRET on 22-Feb-2003 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Leki):
>yeah sure.....and i'm sure you know everything about AmigaOS4 dont you...and >do you really think you know more about AmigaOS4 than Ben Hermans?....maybe >you like to *think* you do heh.

As senior morphOS developer Nicolas Sallin probably know better that Ben "I'm a lawyer" Hermans how the AmigaOS3 API works. And for compatibility reason, some design MUST be kept in the emulation box. And AOS3 doesn't have MP, SMP, VM and so on, so it won't be possible to have those features when running an old app (AOS3) on ever amigaOS clone ever, and everyone saying anthing else is a liar...
BTW a lawyer is a lawyer and not a senior developer.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 129 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 13:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Leki):
" how can any of you say that AmigaOS will NEVER EVER have SMP, MP and/or RT?....can you predict the future? AmigaOS isn`t going to stop at OS4.....it will continute to be developed. Dont under estimate hyperion :)"

Because current and past AmigaOS developpers said it, including some of the developpers of the core Commodore AmigaOS team (so the developpers who created AmigaOS).
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 130 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Joël EHRET):
>As senior morphOS developer Nicolas Sallin probably know better that Ben "I'm a
>lawyer" Hermans how the AmigaOS3 API works. And for compatibility reason, some
>design MUST be kept in the emulation box. And AOS3 doesn't have MP, SMP, VM and
>so on, so it won't be possible to have those features when running an old app
>(AOS3) on ever amigaOS clone ever, and everyone saying anthing else is a
>liar...
>BTW a lawyer is a lawyer and not a senior developer.

well maybe morphos developers arn`t as good as the AmigaOS4 developers....but saying AmigaOs will *never* support these is stupid.

Ben Hermans might be a lawyer but he also runs hyperion too....so he is going to know what his developers are working on and how things are going more than Nicolas Sallin does
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 131 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 128 (Joël EHRET):
"As senior morphOS developer Nicolas Sallin probably know better"

As senior morphOS developer he doesn't get out enough and is probably a virgin ;)

"that Ben "I'm a lawyer" Hermans how the AmigaOS3 API works. And for compatibility reason, some design MUST be kept in the emulation box. And AOS3 doesn't have MP, SMP, VM and so on, so it won't be possible to have those features when running an old app (AOS3) on ever amigaOS clone ever, and everyone saying anthing else is a liar..."

You have to abstract the application from the emulation , the emulation enviroment can use and abuse SMP , VM etc it just has to make the applications blind to this fact. And theres plenty of ways of making emulated applications feel faster even though they aren't using all the availabe resources for instance running the 68k JIT process on its own CPU :) or forcing none critical data into VM freeing the real ram for JIT cache :D

"BTW a lawyer is a lawyer and not a senior developer"

But his mates are ;)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 132 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Feb-2003 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Leki):
well the problem is most likly with the pegasos not being fully compatable with the MAI NB.....
--

Highly unlikely, the bugs have been reproduced on Teron boards as well.

thats a pegasos problem not an AmigaOne problem.......just like bill bucky made a big deal out of the "april chip"....was needed to fix bugs probably mainly due to the pegasos as eyetech didn`t have all the the major problems that bplan had and could fix it with just a few wires....
--

All these bugs have been reproduced on the old Articia S boards (the new
revision has not been tested). Some of the bugs were still there with the
"wire fix". MAI couldn't reproduce the bugs at all till "someone" visited them
and reproduced them in from of their eyes. That's why they don't want to be the
ones to test the "bug free" chips, they don't want to be the ones to lose AGAIN
if there are bugs.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 133 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 13:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Anonymous):
@anonymous

Please don't speak about things you know nothing about. It's not possible to use SMP, MP or RT on any apps using AmigaOS 3.x APIs or APIs using AmigaOS APIs, this include Amiga OS 4.x PPC apps that use Intuition to display their windows and/or Reaction and/or MUI and/or the AmigaDOS and/or any of the Exec functions...etc. Again this can't be changed. The only possibility to avoid this issues is to develop completely new APIs incompatible with the old ones. But this take times (1 or 2 years minimum) and this will requite complete rewrite of the current apps.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 134 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 13:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Anonymous):
@anonymous

Please don't speak about things you know nothing about. It's not possible to use SMP, MP or RT on any apps using AmigaOS 3.x APIs or APIs using AmigaOS APIs, this include Amiga OS 4.x PPC apps that use Intuition to display their windows and/or Reaction and/or MUI and/or the AmigaDOS and/or any of the Exec functions...etc. Again this can't be changed. The only possibility to avoid this issues is to develop completely new APIs incompatible with the old ones. But this take times (1 or 2 years minimum) and this will requite complete rewrite of the current apps.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 135 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Max):
>Because current and past AmigaOS developpers said it, including some of the >developpers of the core Commodore AmigaOS team (so the developpers who created >AmigaOS).

so your telling me that if things go really well for AmigaOS and it starts to cut deeply into the Windoze market share and AmigaOS gets upto version 7....then AmigaOS will still *NEVER EVER* support these as the first version of AmigaOS didn`t.....well thats just BS......im sure windoze 3.1 didn`t supports these either at the time....but now there is windoze XP.....things do get developed and new features added you know.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 136 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Feb-2003 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 115 (Max):
Hmm, strange.

We must all be dreaming then at least 20 people are now using L2 and L3 cache with a G4 pn their AmigaOne's.

Maybe I'm living in an alternate universe.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 137 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 13:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
well all hardware has bugs.....it just depends if its a major show stopping bug or an easy to get round or fix bug.....with the AmigaOne G4 there is no show stopping major bugs....with the pegasos there is. so this looks mainly due to incompatablitys with the pegasos.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 138 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Feb-2003 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Max):
I'm sorry, I have infinitely more faith in Thomas Frieden than you.

VM was also not possible for AmigaOS, right?

According to the kernel team, SMP is perfectly possible in Amiga OS 4.x.

Ofcourse not everything will be able to benefit from it, that much is clear.

But even if only new apps would be able to use it, it would still be far preferable to not having it at all.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 139 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 13:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"Maybe I'm living in an alternate universe."

Of course you are :)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 140 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Feb-2003 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 137 (Leki):
I'll reply with one sentence: "There are no bugs in the Articia S chipset,
that's what people that buy their firmware get." :) BTW, who do you think the
old articia-s fix used by Eyetech was made from? :)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 141 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Max):
The thing you don't understand is that the Applications don't have to see the multiple CPUs as thier inside an emulation environment for instance AmigaOS doesn't see your i386 hardware underneth when its running in UAE , its up to the emulation environment to support the underlying OS/Hardware features and to then abstract those for the software sitting on top of it.

IIRC Hyperion are using non-sandbox method of running 68k programs wereby 68k instructions are cought and sent to the JIT instead, I don't see why the JIT can't utilalize SMP maybe not through the OS but directly.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 142 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Ami603 on 22-Feb-2003 13:32 GMT
Also i think that developing a NEW motherboard with a NEW&unknown northbridge
has to take some time also,first develop it,then make one prototype,test it,etc etc.So it doesn`t easy at all...
Maybe MAI has bugs,some of wich never appears or be small bugs without importance.But Seems that people think that the new chip to use on the Pegasos II doesn`t have bugs at all.Maybe someone can assure that "Pegasos II chipset are 100percent.bug free"."And it also has morphos for now,so buy it or loose!!"
Just my 2p
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 143 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by blowing raspberries on 22-Feb-2003 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (fman):
>Genesi have been straight forward here and provided that facts in advance

No matter what, the blind will always be blind.

Facts:
1) AmigaOne was scheduled on a first version without CPU slot (SE)
2) AmigaOne was scheduled on a second version with CPU slot (XE)
3) AmigaOne SE was released
4) AmigaOne XE will be released in the next few days
5) MorphOS/Pegasos fanatics... ehm, supporters critcized Eyetech for releasing a machine without a CPU slot
6) Not only they criticized, but they started flame wars claiming that their machines (that few really had seen) were so much better
7) Pegasos does not have a CPU slot, the other one is half a year away (at least, so, vaporware so far)
8)(some) MorphOS/Pegasos fanatics try to hide their shame with claims that this is actually a good idea (regardless of the fact that Genesi is doing exactly what Eyetech did many months ago, and was criticized for)

These are the facts... everything else is irrelevant.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 144 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 13:34 GMT
@ Max

i must have missed your comment number 115.....glad Ben hermans didn`t though in comment 136.....so that proves you are wrong about that.....so guess you could be wrong about alot of other things too.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 145 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 22-Feb-2003 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 124 (Leki):
>>wrong, its still an AmigaOne G4 even if linux is only available right now
LOL! an Amiga that can only run linux in feb 2003!!!!
keep on masturbating!
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 146 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 139 (Max):
>Of course you are :)

oh what a sensible reply to being proved wrong.....i would have had more respect for you if you would have admited you made a mistake and that you didn`t know all the lastest details. gues thats too hard for some morphos/pegasos fans though right?
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 147 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 13:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (Leki):
@Leki

If you believe Ben Hermans, so yes I'm wrong :) (But does he say the truth?)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 148 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 22-Feb-2003 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>>According to the kernel team, SMP is perfectly possible in Amiga OS 4.x.

that's a nice copout ben! so when can we expect Amiga OS 4.9 with SMP and altivec support, 2006? ;)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 149 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 22-Feb-2003 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Leki):
go stick a cork up ure ass, BAIF!
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 150 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (cheesegrate):
>LOL! an Amiga that can only run linux in feb 2003!!!!
>keep on masturbating!

i didn`t say it could *only run* linux...im sure OS4 beta runs nice on it....i said only linux is available right like as to purchase while OS4 isn`t.

keep on being an idiot!
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