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[News] Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003ANN.lu
Posted on 21-Feb-2003 19:45 GMT by Senex318 comments
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As Genesi announces on MorphOS-News.de, the next Pegasos-I-boards will go on sale on Monday: To Whom it May Concern:

The Pegasos will go on sale Monday.

There are 300 to sell and 100 that will go to MorphOS Developers and Employees.

If interested to purchase a Pegasos mainboard or fully configured machine:

1. Contact your Distributor
2. Contact Phoenix
3. Contact Genesi

When these are sold there will not be another release until August/September 2003. The next release, the Pegasos II, will have double data rates, three 1 Gb/s ethernet channels, and Dual G4s. Genesi will not release a new version until then.

We want everyone to understand this before they purchase the Pegasos available now. All Betatester boards will be exchanged with the first priority.

An upgrade credit will be offered to Pegasos I buyers. The Pegasos I will not have a G4 upgrade.

Thank you and best regards,

Genesi

Note: Please contact Genesi directly to get your replacement board with April chipset (if you haven't done so far). Thank you.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 201 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by KenH on 22-Feb-2003 14:35 GMT
I think no "camp" can accuse the other "camp" of blindly following a "cause" anymore without implicating themselves.

In fact I'm so against this crap that as a point of principle, the next thing I post about will be an existing product that I've actually bought and used. I don't know which it will be...all I know is it will be the best solution as I see it. So, see you soon! :)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 202 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (mahen):
>Leki: please look at yourself before insulting the others... Why would MOS fans
>be fanatics and AOS fans be just fans ?

sorry i ment to put amigaos fanatics too there for both not just morphos.....but there are alot more fanatics on the morphos side than on the AmigaOS side
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 203 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 201 (KenH):
wise choice
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 204 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 22-Feb-2003 14:37 GMT
Ok, hold on to your hats.

Ben Hermans:
Kindly wind your neck in and shut your mouth. You are not in a position to attack another company. Given your OWN position, failure to deliver, and associated links with companies who have failed to deliver, your public act of propaganda and damage infliction upon your competitor is the act of a wanker.

Genesi:
Firstly, I think that it has been a reasonable act and honest of you to make a clear announcement. It is also fair that you have given some insight as to your future plans.
However, again, it is clear that the Pegasos is now a disaster. Both for you and many prospective customers. After many of the claims made regarding your pegasos and even given your hard work in fixing issues your team discovered, questions remain as to why you now have trouble with supply from MAI when by all accounts Eyetech do not. (This is still debatable. Eyetech are also late/not delivering, but let us put that aside)

Is it not time that you made a public 'death bed vigil' for your customers regarding the pegasos? If you open the inside information as to the failure, people may be understanding. I am willing to believe your failure is due to outside influence, but not without some information. This information may indeed help build a case for people to recognise your fine efforts despite the project failure.

Now, onto the future system. It took you 12 months or more to carry out your testing period on Pegasos. Now you issue this decree that the new version will be out in 4 months, with a quite severe change of specification. I am not a prospective customer. But IF I were, I would really like to know:

"When these are sold there will not be another release until August/September 2003. The next release, the Pegasos II, will have double data rates, three 1 Gb/s ethernet channels, and Dual G4s. Genesi will not release a new version until then."

Who/How/where have you found technology partners to provide these changes. Perhaps I am wrong but if you had trouble finding technology partners for the SDRAM controller/northbridge and fix issues with any prospective board/bios/firmware issues? Perhaps you have found a chipset manufacturer who can do this, but I suspect that is not the case. In addition, Dual processors ? Gigabyte ethernet controller, three gigabyte ethernet channels. Well, the spec is certainly at least interesting.

But here is my query. How do you consider that I would trust you to produce this when it took you 12 months to produce a far simpler design using a single cpu, sdram, and low tech ethernet options. Unless you have found an off the peg solution I think you are basically lying. This has the look and feel of a smokescreen and a nasty one. Now I could be wrong. You could have licensed this from apple or a supplier that can supply Apple-alike technology, but I don't think so. And you have nothing like the engineering to do this yourself.

So I sit here today as usual. I have one company who publicly admit their failure in an area. I have customers from both sides acting as 'foot soldiers'. I have Ben Hermans acting the idiot. And I have Genesi publishing a new plan that is far fetched, so far fetched at this time, with this information available, its frankly not credible. I cannot see the OS support from MOS being credible either relating to the newboard.

So some questions remain, and there HAS to be some kind of answer to these for credibility to be restored:

1. What ACTUALLY happened between MAI and Genesi. Eyetech seem to be getting supply from MAI.
2. Where are you going to get your technological supplies and chipsets from for this new DDR system?
3. How can anyone take your timescales as credible?
4. With the pegasos project now laying in a smoking ruins, and your reputation also in the same state, when can we expect to see people replaced/fired regarding these failures. Or will it be the same team leading you to the next disaster?
5. I fail to see how you have not chosen the IBM PPC 970 cpu in your spec. Its bandied around as being the future (Not by me. IBM and the 970 will simply not be in the same desktop market as the motorola PPC chips) but some would believe so.


Also, is there any hope that you companies will ever work together, or will I still be making my case in 12 months time as each company creates disaster, after disaster, after disaster?

I suppose I will. None of the Eyetech/Hyperion/AmigInc brigate have anything to shout about. The performance from both of these efforts are a complete shambles. The public slanging matches merely enhance the view of a complete and utter lack of professionalism, and it is a disgrace.

If Genesi really have found MAI have got serious problems/supply problems, are we once again about to see another project (Eyetech) also announce a new (noncredible) specifiation and new machine available in only a few short months?

It is not credible that these two projects/efforts/teams can create TWO operating systems, and TWO disperate hardware platforms, and have some form of success. Even IF they were JUST trying to create either hardware, OR software the likelyhood of any success is absolutely minimal.

Again, I will ask a simple question. WHY are these groups making a dire idiotic mistake of duplication of effort across hardware, and software, using only half the available resources, and aiming thus for HALF the custom. Its idiotically stupid beyond description. And one further question. If Genesi are working on some modular hardware idea this kinda breaks that up badly. Its not like a dual processor, DDR, triple Gigabyte ethernet platform really fits as a set top box, at least to me. But then I think differently to most it seems.

As ever, I am agast at the announcement. I remain in a bemused state as the camps spend endless time and effort in public sniping, and useless debate. And as I have said many times recently, 'Trust no one'.

Its another joke played on the amiga 'sphere' and no sign of an end to this sick joke. If people were wise, they would desert these companies on mass until better sense prevails.

AdmV
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 205 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (Leki):
Leki: well, that's maybe just an hyperion fanatic opinion ;)

(just teasing you ;)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 206 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Feb-2003 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 202 (Leki):
Take it statistically. You people claim that there are much more pro Ainc people
(notice, I don't say pro-AOS, I'm not against aos) that MOS ones.
Let's say there are 1500 Ainc people and 400-500 MOS ones. 10% of the Ainc
people are fanatics (150 people) versus 20% of the MOS ones (100 people)....
150>100:)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 207 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Not a Eyetech Fan on 22-Feb-2003 14:41 GMT
That AmigaONE is a very expensive system to run Linux on, get something cheaper.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 208 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
you meant "much fewer" ?
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 209 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (mahen):
i never used to be sided....i used to be 100% neutral i even tried to install MOS beta on my miggy with a PPC card....but couldn`t as i didn`t have the lastest CGX.....i only became more sided to AmigaOS4 after reading posts from people like cheesegrate, Eva, max etc etc....posts giving abuse and making up totally untrue things about people working hard on Amiga platform for no reason...i didn`t want to be in a comunity with people like that. aswell as people like DCE and bill buck who are not good (lets not get started on that again though). i dont go round posting abuse and speading lies like i see many morphos fanatics do....and i only ever see very few AmigaOS fanatics do it which isn`t good either.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 210 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 22-Feb-2003 14:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 196 (Darrin):
>> Besides, I don't do requests ;-)

What?? Are you saying you just mindlessly followed orders?? ;)
Have you seen three kings movie? now that was a good example of soldiers having an independent thought process.. ! ;)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 211 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 209 (Leki):
Leki: what you must understand is that such things happen from both "sides". So adding more to this doesn't solve anything. We don't know anything. Why rather trust Ben Hermans than Nicolas Sallin ? I personnally know the latter, and I'm sure he's extremely competent and honest. But does it mean Mr Hermans is a liar ? I don't know... All this is too much complicated.

So let's try bringing our own dirt to this already very complicated situation !

If we make efforts ourselves, things should get better...
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 212 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 198 (mahen):
>I mean, what Hermans says is not necessarily true (or false)... Let's wait for >facts : here we talk about nothing because we lack so many facts !

well Ben Hermans does't go round making up lies all the time and he is in charge of OS4 development so i think if it comes from him its more likly to be true than not.

if you use that type of reasoning then what bill buck is saying might not necessarily true and there will be no pegasos 2.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 213 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by chesesegrate on 22-Feb-2003 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Dan Andersson):
>Seems there will be people working overtime at Bplan this summer...

yeah and also the hardworking clowns at amiga inc working overtime to suck microsoft off and blow smoke up our ass!
Amiga Club membership anyone? it's still up on the website and you could win an AmigaDE enabled mobile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 214 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Leki):
There's not just Hermans, Ewen & Buck... Hermans has no product *ready* yet, so maybe he has more interest in lying ?

I don't say it's the case. My only point was that we should all take some distance, stand back, and wait for facts instead of blindly believing X, Y or Z...
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 215 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 22-Feb-2003 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 212 (Leki):
>well Ben Hermans does't go round making up lies all the time

in fact all mr hermans says is true

os4 will be out in feb 2002!
Mos team is just illegally recompiling aos source!
Amiga Inc is worty of our trust!
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 216 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 214 (mahen):
As for the reason of the A1 or peg delays, I definitely think MAI is unreliable. Both suffered from a big delay due to those nasty articia bugs. While it doesn't matter for OS4 (b/c not ready) it HARMS morphos a lot (because it's usable since a long time ago - it's my only system since last sept)

So who lies ? We can't know. But this direction (MAI failures) should be considered too.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 217 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 22-Feb-2003 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 215 (cheesegrate):
oh yeah the clincher.
if AROS continue going down the path of testing under classic amiga env they could be illegal!!!!!!

STFU for god's sakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 218 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 206 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
nope i didn`t say there were more pro amiga inc people....i said seems to be alot more idiotic and false posts from morphos/pegasos fanatics than i see from AmigaOS/amiga inc/eyetech fanatics
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 219 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 218 (Leki):
It *seems to you*. But we're all biased.

Anyways, posts from fanatics should just be ignored !
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 220 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 14:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 211 (mahen):
>what you must understand is that such things happen from both "sides". So
>adding more to this doesn't solve anything. We don't know anything. Why rather
>trust Ben Hermans than Nicolas Sallin ? I personnally know the latter, and I'm
>sure he's extremely competent and honest. But does it mean Mr Hermans is a liar
>? I don't know... All this is too much complicated.

what i was saying is i trust ben hermans to know much more about his own company and the OS his team are developing than Nicolas Sallin who isn`t anything to do with it and works on an other (rivail?) OS. isn`t that logical that ben would know more?
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 221 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 220 (Leki):
He should know more but is not necessarily more *competent* or *honest*
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 222 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 221 (Leki):
OOPS !!! THAT WAS ME above !
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 223 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Sum1 on 22-Feb-2003 15:02 GMT
I am looking forward to new MorphOS and AmigaOS software because i will pirate and spread all the software all over the net.

Release OS4 please i am looking forward to uploading the OS4 ISO to alt.binaires.warez.amiga and other amiga warez places.

Amiga piracy rulez and thanks for FREE Quake 2 hermans and co.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 224 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 22-Feb-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 210 (cheesegrate):
>>Have you seen three kings movie? now that was a good example of soldiers having an independent thought process.. ! ;)

That was a good movie - kind of like an updated Kelly's Heros. I wish I'd found some gold in my travels. I guess I'll have to make do with a military pension :-(
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 225 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Nicolas Sallin):
. . .
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 226 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 22-Feb-2003 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 195 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
" Either you say that there are at least 3 camps all with about the same amount
of idiots or you can say that there are no camps... just idiots. :) "

Hehe... Nice one Alkis!
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 227 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 22-Feb-2003 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 218 (Leki):
I didn't see any pro-MOS people threatening authors that they will boycott them
if they support OS4 alongside MOS.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 228 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 215 (cheesegrate):
>in fact all mr hermans says is true
>os4 will be out in feb 2002!

this is due to Os4 having more work done on it that was ment to be...plus delays like everything else.....but you know that....but your an idiot so you just keep sayin the same things in ever thread.

>Mos team is just illegally recompiling aos source!

maybe it was at the time....maybe they arnt now.....i cant say for 100% sure and neither can you

>Amiga Inc is worty of our trust!

i hope so :)

Now i could start posting the same shit like you that bill buck lies for example

pegasos was ment to be relased last year with mos
pagasos was ment to have G4 upgrades for it
genisi is worthy of our trust!

now thats what i could post into every thread about bplan/bill buck/morphos etc and start making up shit and spreding abuse but i dont because im not a idiotic amiga fanatic.....but you are an idiotic morphos fanatic because you do this all the time.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 229 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 22-Feb-2003 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 138 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
If you are talking about VM where applications needs to specificaly
ask for it, and where the buffers can be trashed by others bogus apps,
then yes you can implement it in any AmigaOS. Even MorphOS implemented
it by AmigaInc/Hyperion's request.

If you are talking about SMP where you need a new API for nearly
everything and where only new applications can use it (eventually),
then yes you can hack it in an AmigaOS.

If you want to add hacks and make wrong design choices, then yes you
can put a lof of "features" in an AmigaOS.

If you want to end where MacOS9 and WindowsMe are, then yes you can
do it.

Some others people prefer to think twice and make sensible choices,
instead of filling featurelist with elements they *know* as broken.

Why adding hacks everywhere to workaround an initialy limited AmigaOS
design ? Instead of starting from scratch and leaving all doors open
for a modern and strong OS design.
It's something I will never understand.

Good luck and please stop implying your direct competitor is using
stollen sources while you perfectly know it's a plain lie.

By the way, everybody is still waiting for your *public* excuses on
this subject.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 230 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by blowing raspberries on 22-Feb-2003 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (JoannaK):
>So.. If you are interested of one or another existing (in few weeks ?)
>systems you go anf buy one. If not you'll wait for future releases

Look at yourself! If Eyetech had posted such news you would be all over them. How much did Thendic pay for your services?
Reality comes back and bites you in the ass... hehehe
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 231 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 228 (Leki):
hmm, I see ;)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 232 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 219 (Leki):
errm @mahen

my comment 228 is how i class idiot fanatics and thats why i think there are more morphos users who are.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 233 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 229 (Nicolas Sallin):
. . .
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 234 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 232 (Leki):
OOPS ! Did I post twice with your name ?! ?!
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 235 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 232 (Leki):
Leki, leki, leki...

It's just so obvious all you say is from a PRO (not to say fanatic) OS4 point of view...

It's just as bad as people with PRO (or fantatic) MOS points of view...


Why don't we all stop playing this stupid game ?

Let's stop being sided and fighting each other !!!

I'm fed up spending my days trying to educate people !!


(BTW by mistake I made several comments with your name, because I wanted to reply to you... I did this without thinking, sorry !!)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 236 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 234 (mahen):
>OOPS ! Did I post twice with your name ?! ?!

nope just the once ;)

use the " Save name and email address in a cookie for future usage"...saves loads of time :)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 237 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 15:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 236 (Leki):
Nope, comment 219 was also by me, but signed by leki !! oops
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 238 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 235 (mahen):
@ mahen

yes i admit im pro OS4.....mainly because of all the abuse it gets and lies spread about it.....someone has to prove wrong the lies and fales things people make up and thats all im doing as some people might actually belive people like "max" when they say false info like in comment 101.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 239 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 22-Feb-2003 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (mahen):
@ Mahen
[Quote]Leki : Hyperion admitted recently that there's no OS4 beta yet : the 68k emulator integration is NOT done yet. It's ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

There are however parts being beta tested here and there.

No OS4 on the A1 yet.


*It's just a fact.*

Even Hermans would agree w/ that.[/Quote]

It has been stated on Amiga.org that AmigaOS4.0Beta runs on the AmigaOne ... one person also said that he uses it as his main system ... and even if there is no 68k emulation in it yet ... then it at least looks as if AmigaOS 4.0 has native software ... how much software runs natively on MorphOS Beta? Yes, the Quark kernel, not the ABOX
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 240 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Henes on 22-Feb-2003 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 229 (Nicolas Sallin):
Morphos sucks and must die !
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 241 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 15:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 238 (Leki):
Leki: but people really think the same in the contrary case. I quite believe max myself though I would like some more proofs. Why do you think Max lies ? Because you assume Hermans doesn't lie ? That doesn't prove anything ! That's why there no simple solution to our problem !
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 242 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 15:24 GMT
anyway i been here ages posting......gotta get ready for my 21st b-day night out now

ill read the rest discussions/flames tommrow :)

bye :)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 243 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 239 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
so it's a scoop ! can you give us more info ?

native apps here means : PPC apps. No problems, there are many of them for MOS.
But the 68k emulator is still very important and takes a lot of time and is not integrated in OS4.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 244 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 22-Feb-2003 15:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 214 (mahen):
Shut up Mahen
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 245 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 244 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
Oh sorry, I'm just trying to discuss in a thought way.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 246 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 22-Feb-2003 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 240 (Henes):
It is MorphOS, not Morphos.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 247 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 245 (mahen):
But you have to admit that you're a Morphos fanatic...
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 248 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 22-Feb-2003 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 219 (Leki):
@Mahen (Mahen wrote it using the name of Leki):
[Quote]It *seems to you*. But we're all biased.

Anyways, posts from fanatics should just be ignored ![/Quote]

So you are saying that everybody should ignore You???
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 249 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 229 (Nicolas Sallin):
>If you are talking about SMP where you need a new API for nearly
>everything and where only new applications can use it (eventually),
>then yes you can hack it in an AmigaOS.

Could you please list the APIs that needs to be improved? You seem to
'know' alot of things but you don't back it up. At least, if you posted
some backing up, we'd kill these kind of threads once and for all. But
to be honest, I don't think you you can. Why not? Well, if you could,
you would have posted your facts long time ago, wouldn't you? And by
saing that old time C= people sais it is not possible is not a fact.
Alot of great things have been created out of the fact that someone
said it was impossible and someone else showed the world the opposite.

>If you want to add hacks and make wrong design choices, then yes you
>can put a lof of "features" in an AmigaOS.

If that is the case, why argue this at all? Why would MorphOs implement
the ABox then after all? Why not implement a posix box instead and get
so many more apps running instead? Why all these anounces of software
ported over to the MorphOs/ABox sandbox? Wouldn't it make alot more
sence port the stuff over to Quark then?

>If you want to end where MacOS9 and WindowsMe are, then yes you can
>do it.

A little reality check here... MFC, Win32 etc. are all API's available
ind WinME and WinXP, but I still doesn't see why this would make WinME
a dead end? I mean, how many apps are WinME only and cannot be run on
WinXP? The windows system / kernel stopped beeing a problem long time
ago for every day apps. It is the _system_ that is the dead end. (Such
as security, filesystems, drivers etc.) But really, how many apps
take damage from that???

>Some others people prefer to think twice and make sensible choices,
>instead of filling featurelist with elements they *know* as broken.

For us who doesn't know they are broke, could you please enlighten
us and tell us how?

...

>Good luck and please stop implying your direct competitor is using
>stollen sources while you perfectly know it's a plain lie.

How do you know that he knows it is a lie??? There are facts around
that you don't know about which would make people belive things
different than you. But I have never seen you admit that the world
may not be exactly like you think it is.

>By the way, everybody is still waiting for your *public* excuses on
>this subject.

What if I told you that a certain person I know once asked Ralph for
held on a certain AmigaOS question? What if I told you that part of
the responce was a dcc'ed file which beared the C= headers and was
documented as beeing a part of the OS3.x sources? (And no, it was _not_
just a header file or an example file from the NDK)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 250 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 248 (Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark]):
I'm NOT a fantatic ! I'm trying to bring BALANCED ideas here !

Thinking I'm a fanatic just means you're one yourself !

I spend all my day trying to make people be more sensible and calm down; I see it's useless.
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