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[News] Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003ANN.lu
Posted on 21-Feb-2003 19:45 GMT by Senex318 comments
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As Genesi announces on MorphOS-News.de, the next Pegasos-I-boards will go on sale on Monday: To Whom it May Concern:

The Pegasos will go on sale Monday.

There are 300 to sell and 100 that will go to MorphOS Developers and Employees.

If interested to purchase a Pegasos mainboard or fully configured machine:

1. Contact your Distributor
2. Contact Phoenix
3. Contact Genesi

When these are sold there will not be another release until August/September 2003. The next release, the Pegasos II, will have double data rates, three 1 Gb/s ethernet channels, and Dual G4s. Genesi will not release a new version until then.

We want everyone to understand this before they purchase the Pegasos available now. All Betatester boards will be exchanged with the first priority.

An upgrade credit will be offered to Pegasos I buyers. The Pegasos I will not have a G4 upgrade.

Thank you and best regards,

Genesi

Note: Please contact Genesi directly to get your replacement board with April chipset (if you haven't done so far). Thank you.
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 00:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Not a Eyetech Fan):
"All Amiga companies are bad as each other."

Genesi is not an Amiga company.
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Posted by fman on 22-Feb-2003 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (priest):
Well, there are several things that are worth noting here.

Genesi have been straight forward here and provided that facts in advance, they are not trying to push pegasos 1's down your neck then unexpectedly release a new version, people have a choice here. (peg1, A1 or wait for a peg2 or whatever eyetech release)

Genesi have offered to trade in the original pegasos later in the year, I can't think of to many other companies (ok eyetech stated this, but yet to be seen) that will sacrifice their profits to replace beoards. So, if your main complaint is that the pegasos isn't upgradable to Dual G4 well, it is....just an entire motherboard swap :)

Obviously Genesi have had a difficult time with their current Northbridge chip and are going to take the opportunity to start with a clean slate and not get trapped. Put yourself in their shoes....what would you do?

You dont see me complaining, and I'm using a pegasos as my daily machine here :)

Francois
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Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 00:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Not a Eyetech Fan):
how is that trolling?...the pegasos and Amiga market are different...morphos and AmigaOS are different....the AmigaOneXE is still going to have a CPU slot and G4 CPUs so this wont affect the "Amiga" market.

if you want a G4 Amiga and OS4 then purchase the early bird offer from eyetech....thats the best you can get so far.
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Posted by Gelb on 22-Feb-2003 00:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Leki):
But, did no-one tell you that OS4 is not ready yet? (Earlybird or whatever they invent to be up to par with Genesi)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 55 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Not a Eyetech Fan on 22-Feb-2003 00:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Leki):
Leki i said provide a link to purchase Amiga OS 4 and AmigaONE to prove Amiga is in front but you did not apart from that bullshit earlybird marketing nonsense, no one apart from the blind zealots care about buying a Teron board just to run linux.

So i ask again, please provide a link where i can tommorow go out and purchase Amiga OS4 and a AmigaONE board.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 56 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Wolf on 22-Feb-2003 01:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Senex):
> I suppose despite the lack of enough bug-free northbridges from MAI...

You can cross out "bug free".

> ...they don't expect that much people to be interested in the Pegasos-I
> anymore now, given its disadvantages compared to the Pegasos-II.

If that really was the reason for not producing Pegasos I anymore I would call Genesi dumb for announcing Pegasos II instead of just continue producing/selling Pegasos I until Pegasos II is ready. As i don't think they're dumb, your argument must be wrong.

> Anyway I think we have to give Genesi credit to be fair enough to tell this
> everyone in advance - instead of continueing to produce and sell Pegasos-Ones
> until the Pegasos-II is on sale.

What has the telling (Pegasos II in August/September) to do with the production of Pegasos I? Why should it contradict each other (as you imply)?
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Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 01:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Gelb):
i never said it was ready....thats why i said the early bird offer was the best thing offerd so far.

(by "best" i mean best way to be able to purchase AmigaOS4 and an AmigaOne so far)
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Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 01:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Not a Eyetech Fan):
why do i need to post a link anyway?.....i said nothing about AmigaOS4 being avaliable or ready for purchase....you said that the pegasos (which is not an Amiga) issues will be a blow to the Amiga market. The Amiga Market has the AmigaOneXE which has a CPU slot and can take a G4.....so hardware wise this is not a blow to the Amiga market as we still have a new Amiga with G4. if new Mac with a G4 gets delayed or canceled that wont be a blow to the Amiga market either.

that was my point...not any bullshit about AmigaOS4 being on sale and a link to it needed to please you.
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Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 04:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (David Scheibler):
You realize Eyetech still has the faster 800MHz G3 systems coming?
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 60 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 04:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (fman):
>Genesi have offered to trade in the original pegasos later in the year, I can't
>think of to many other companies (ok eyetech stated this, but yet to be seen)
>that will sacrifice their profits to replace beoards.

Phase5 had quite a pathetic 68k->PPC upgrade offer, you could sell the old cards
on 2nd hand market for a substantial bigger gain.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 61 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 04:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (priest):
A 3rd party could jump in and make G4 cpucards available for Pegasos. ;-)
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 22-Feb-2003 04:30 GMT
I do not see what is negative about this
announcement? The machines go on sale
monday, there is a new improved motherboard
in development. They are offering users a
credit on their old board to upgrade, meaning
you will not lose much if you decide to
upgrade to a PegasosII later. They are offering
these boards to developers at a great price.
(attracting new software) They are telling
the truth and informing there users of what
is happening.

People are telling lies and skewing the view of
both OS4 and MorphOS. It makes it nearly impossible to
get any real useful and honest objective information. When
I get MorphOS and OS4 I will review each and give an
honest opinion to help Amiga users get a better idea of
what the differences and advantages of both really are.
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Posted by strobe on 22-Feb-2003 05:34 GMT
Wow, nothing lets loose a torrent of anonymous trolls like honesty from a compny who isn't in the Amiga clique.

Do not feed the anonymous trolls...
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Posted by Kelly Samel on 22-Feb-2003 06:23 GMT
Of course that being said, after thinking a bit
about this announcement I will have to reconsider
the Pegasos. Perhaps OS4 will not be that long
off after all. It's a tough decision but I have
been leaning towards AmigaOne since the begining
and only recently though about Pegasos, these
announcements keep on changing the situation.
I think I just might have to keep on using this
Amithlon for now, it's stable, compatible and here
right now. I am not sure I want to invest in
anything in such an unstable market at the moment...
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 65 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 22-Feb-2003 06:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (KennyR):
@KennyR:

> Haha, Nice to see all you Pegasos and morphos morons are
> getting what you truly deserve.

> MorphOS and Amiga emulators must die and the users also must die.

Do you feel the same way about the current AmigaInc & AmigaOS4 development situation?
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 66 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 22-Feb-2003 06:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (KennyR):
There are 2 KennyR's?

Aha.. the clone wars have begun!
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Posted by Senex on 22-Feb-2003 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (priest):
> How about those Cebit pegasoses? How about those cheap STB models?

The DTV-STB is a new and primitive design (compared to the Pegasos-board) anyway, so the MAI-issue certainly has been addressed right from the start of its development.

The "CeBIT-Pegasos", i.e. the Pegasosses in that very small case, were planned as "a limited number for CeBIT" anyway (see original press-release), so I don't think this is affected in any way.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 68 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 22-Feb-2003 07:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Leki):
> the AmigaOneXE is still going to have a CPU slot and G4 CPUs so this wont
> affect the "Amiga" market

I'd say the one who laughs last laughs best. If I were a A1-supporter, I'd rather rack my brains over why Genesi did so instead of continueing to produce Pegasos-Ones until the Pegasos-II is ready (lower expected sales after the Peg-II-announcement aside).

My personal *speculation* is aimed at MAI. For the very last 400 "old" Articias Genesi do have their April-1. But this chip, as far as I know, is difficult to mount on the boards. And if maybe now they have again found a bug also in the new Articia-design or if the old bugs are only fixed unsatisfyingly in it (maybe just as a kind of integrated April-solution instead of a complete and therefore maybe more expensive redesign of the Articia to really remove the error), then of course it would mak more sense for Genesi to completely switch to a different northbridge. Because an unsatisfyingly fixed Articia-redesign would give them less performance, I'd say. And if they'd even still need a (even new to design) April(2 or 3)-chip for future boards, it would make even more sense, since this difficult to mount solution obviously wouldn't qualify for mass-production. And last but not least MAI's supply shortfalls would be a supporting reason to change the northbridge completely.

Therefore, despite the first glance, I'd *guess* that while Genesi indeed does have a problem (less sales the next monthes), Eyetech could have an even better one since they can't just make a new design with another vendor's NB.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 69 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 22-Feb-2003 07:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Andreas Wolf):
@Andreas

Yes, please see my updated speculation above. :-)

Thanks, btw., for the tip regarding the photos - didn't notice those new ones were commented better. Another mystery solved. :-)
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Posted by Senex on 22-Feb-2003 07:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Senex):
"...bigger one..." (problem), of course.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 71 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 22-Feb-2003 07:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Darth_X):
Anyway, it will be interesting.

I have a hunch that Pegasos-II will ship before AmigaOS4 does. If I'm wrong, then that's OK too.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 72 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Darth_X):
I have a hunch that your a child abuser.

But if im wrong then that's OK too.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 73 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 22-Feb-2003 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (David Scheibler):
nice avoidance there

making me buy an amigaone and a pegagsos just to see which is the best ?

pathetic
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 74 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 09:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (David Scheibler):
Oh, there we go with that lie again Scheibler.

Don't you know that MorphOS developer Emannuel Leseur admitted here that:

1) SMP support was NEVER tested in practise (no dual CPU module to begin with)

2) it won't ever be implemented in the A-Bo
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 75 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Joël EHRET on 22-Feb-2003 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Anonymous):
SMP support (multithreading) CANNOT be integrated in the A/Box
now and forever
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 76 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 09:45 GMT
PLEASE GUYS :

I *definitely think* it's not a bad thing:

the upgrade Peg 1 -> Peg 2 G4 will be apparently VERY cheap.
(around 200 euros)
Peg 2 will be definitely much better than peg 1 (DDR etc).

And you can have a peg 1 right now to wait.

Now, the only thing that must be clarified is :

*WHY NO G4 for Peg 1*

There must be a good reason; I'm sure they didn't lie. Something went wrong but what ?
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 77 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 22-Feb-2003 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (mahen):
>There must be a good reason; I'm sure they didn't lie. Something went wrong but >what ?

DODGY MAI bridges???
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 78 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 10:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (cheesegrate):
" DODGY MAI bridges???"

Eyetech already have a dual G4 MAI based board, maybe Genesi should stop employing monkeys to design their hardware ;).
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 79 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 22-Feb-2003 10:23 GMT
Credit is definitely due to your openness Genesi. It is refreshing to see you be up front about numbers for sale and your future plans regarding the second revision of the Pegasos board.

This is good to see.

---
Sam
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Posted by Jack Me on 22-Feb-2003 10:28 GMT
<WILD SPECULATION>

Probably Mai don't want to supply Genesi Ariticia chips anymore because of all the bad press they gave them. The 300 'old' Ariticias are probably just the fulfilment of their supply contract.;)

</WILD SPECULATION>
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 81 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 10:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Jack Me):
Genesi really sucks !
Bill Buck too !
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Posted by Timothy De Groote on 22-Feb-2003 10:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (David Scheibler):
I already have my G4 800.

SO let's compare !
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 83 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Anonymous):
" " DODGY MAI bridges???"

Eyetech already have a dual G4 MAI based board, maybe Genesi should stop employing monkeys to design their hardware ;)."

We know that Articia is buggy (we don't know yet if al bugs are corrected in the coming new version). I think the reason for Genesi to not make a G4 upgrade for Pegasos I is that they don't want to put money in such an upgrade if later they'll need to correct bugs with Articia and G4 (if they are any). I think they want to go to a more reliable solution, that's why they will make the Pegasos II.

What is good is that Genesi has gathered for reliable alternative to the dodgy Articia and they found one and they will use it. I mean they are finding solution, not just waiting for an hypothetical bug free Articia (I'm not sure the coming ones are bug free).
Ok they're will be not "upgrade" for Peg 1. But considering that it seems that it'll not be more expensive to buy a Peg 2 for a Peg 1 owner than it'd have been to buy a G4 upgrade, it's really not a so much important issue.

It's even a good news. See, for the same price of the initial G4 upgrade, you'll have a brand new MB with DDR-RAM support, Gigabit Ethernet...etc Isn't that better? Ok you've to wait some additional months, but the Pegasos G3 can be bought now and you will love it. Don't say: "I really need a G4". See how fast and well is running a Pegasos G3 with MorphOS and you'll not say that anymore ;) Believe me you can wait this additional months with a Pegasos 1. It's already a very cool and fast machine. And the Pegasos 2 G4 will be a really interesting upgrade :)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 84 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by BubbleBobble on 22-Feb-2003 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (mahen):
"I'm sure they didn't lie"

Bill Buck lie everytime, everywhere...
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 85 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Anonymous):
They also employs monkeys to design their software ;0)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 86 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 22-Feb-2003 10:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Max):
I 100% agree.

Now, will 300/400 boards be enough to wait 6 months ?
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 87 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 22-Feb-2003 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Timothy De Groote):
Ok, please start. So how fast is Cinema4D 020 Version when rendering... Oh no
wait. We better do some Linux benchmark ;)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 88 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Feb-2003 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Max):
Bringing in a new Northbridge will mean a very substantial redesign of the motherboard, this is nothing trivial at all.

It will also mean a very substantial revision of the firmware.

Given the fact that the A-Box cannot support SMP ever BY DESIGN (as confirmed here by Emmanuel Leseuer, senior MorphOS developer), I fail to see why it is relevant to release a dual G4 module.

I also fail to see why no single G4 module can be made available to existing customers interested in upgrading.

And claiming that the same CPU suddenly runs slower on virtually identical hardware is ofcourse completely ridiculous.

We have a very wide range of different CPU's here: MPC 7410, PPC 750 Cxe, PPC 750 FX (two revisions), MPC 7441, MPC 7451.

It's clear that the 7451 with 2 MB L3 cache running at 800 Mhz is the performance leader even if one disregards the Altivec.

The 750 FX is a worthy runner-up but claiming that the 750 Cxe@600 Mhz will outperform either the 750 FX or the MPC 7451 at 800 Mhz just because they run on the Pegasos, well, what I can say: MorphOS reality distortion field activated.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 89 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 11:15 GMT
False promises... Just few days ago they sold pegasos as CPU upgradeable computer, and now suddenly it is not ? They start to look like AmigaInc...
They marketed and sold Pegasos as a computer which can have G4 or even dual G4 and now it can't... I was already considering buying pegasos,but now... I think that if AmigaOne XE with G4 is out soon i will buy it.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 90 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"Bringing in a new Northbridge will mean a very substantial redesign of the motherboard, this is nothing trivial at all.

It will also mean a very substantial revision of the firmware."

Don't worry they got hardware engineers ;-) Are you an hardware engineer? No, so please speak of thing you know about. They can make all this working for August/September without problem and I'm sure they started working on it from at least end december/beginning january 2003. It's far enough.

"Given the fact that the A-Box cannot support SMP ever BY DESIGN (as confirmed here by Emmanuel Leseuer, senior MorphOS developer), I fail to see why it is relevant to release a dual G4 module."

And will AmigaOS 4 wupport it? I doubt, it use the AmigaOS 3.x APIs and had to re-use some of the AmigaOS 3.x designs to be compatible. So it's incompatible with SMP ;) (Well I mean to have applications supporting it.)

"I also fail to see why no single G4 module can be made available to existing customers interested in upgrading."

Because the upgrade to Peg 2 will cost the same. WHy should tehy put money on an upgrade when they are developping a new MB that will in fact be offered for the same price to Peg 2 owners? It's a far more better offer for customers than a simple upgrade IMHO (I remind you that the new MB will have DDR memory support and Gigabit ethernet).

"And claiming that the same CPU suddenly runs slower on virtually identical hardware is ofcourse completely ridiculous.

We have a very wide range of different CPU's here: MPC 7410, PPC 750 Cxe, PPC 750 FX (two revisions), MPC 7441, MPC 7451.

It's clear that the 7451 with 2 MB L3 cache running at 800 Mhz is the performance leader even if one disregards the Altivec."

????

"The 750 FX is a worthy runner-up but claiming that the 750 Cxe@600 Mhz will outperform either the 750 FX or the MPC 7451 at 800 Mhz just because they run on the Pegasos, well, what I can say: MorphOS reality distortion field activated. "

Sorry but where did I said that??? I said the Pegasos G3 600MHz is far enough for people needs particularly under MorphOS as it's lightweight OS and it runs already faster than any other PPC OS on a G3 600MHz. I said that people don't NEED G4. They want one because they dream of it. But they don't NEED one. Needing something is when you can't do what you have to do without it. People can already do all things they want to on a Peg G3 600MHz.
Please next time stop misinterprete what your read! Reread!
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Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"a new MB that will in fact be offered for the same price to Peg 2 owners?"

Ooops sorry. Replace Peg 2 by Peg 1 here :)
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Feb-2003 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Max):
That last part of my mail was intended as reaction on the quote by Bill Buck to this effect earlier in this thread.

With respect to the issue of the required redesign, I'm obviously not basing this on my personal expertise but on the expertise of various hardware engineers involved with the A1 project.

And yes, OS 4.x will be able to use SMP, exactly because our design is much different than the one used in MorphOS.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 93 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 22-Feb-2003 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Bringing in a new Northbridge will mean a very substantial redesign of the
>motherboard, this is nothing trivial at all.
>It will also mean a very substantial revision of the firmware.

That there will be a PegasosII board in the future is a well known fact for at
least 1 year now. What wasn't said when it will be out and what features are
planned.
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Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 11:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"That last part of my mail was intended as reaction on the quote by Bill Buck to this effect earlier in this thread.

With respect to the issue of the required redesign, I'm obviously not basing this on my personal expertise but on the expertise of various hardware engineers involved with the A1 project."

It's incredible the amount of experts there are in the A1/AOS 4 project :)
Btw if they are the same engineers who designed the Articia S chipsets and the Teron CX/PX MB, ok I understand they said that. They are not good engineers for me. Engineers who make buggy hardware and even don't recognise it, I don't call that good engineers.
Hopefully Genesi have GOOD hardware engineers :)

"And yes, OS 4.x will be able to use SMP, exactly because our design is much different than the one used in MorphOS."

Yes in your dreams. You know dreams can't make impossible things becoming possible suddendly :)
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 22-Feb-2003 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (David Scheibler):
Yes and there was also going to be an A-Box with the Caipirinha custom chipset, the Pre-Box, the Cybervision NG, the AmiRage etc.

You could even pre-order and pre-pay some of this hardware, it was that certain that it would be released.

I'm sorry but I'll believe it when I see it.

Isn't that the same line you are taking with respect to OS 4?
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Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 11:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
" Yes and there was also going to be an A-Box with the Caipirinha custom chipset, the Pre-Box, the Cybervision NG, the AmiRage etc.

You could even pre-order and pre-pay some of this hardware, it was that certain that it would be released. "

Genesi is not Phase 5. Btw wasn't it possible to pre-order AOne G3-SE and XE G3/G4 (still the case btw)?

"I'm sorry but I'll believe it when I see it"

Don't worry you'll see it just like you saw the Peg 1 working under MorphOS several times ;)

"Isn't that the same line you are taking with respect to OS 4"

Isn't it already possible to pre-order/buy AOnes that claim to be OS 4 ready and that OS 4 will be given freely? How can people be sure OS 4 will ever come one day? ;-)

Don't use arguments that can be used against you :) It's not very clever :)
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Posted by Joël EHRET on 22-Feb-2003 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
ok, so if i understood correctly, you said that if i run pagestream (for example) on OS4 with dual G4, it will be twice as fast as if it wer ran on a single G4??? ....i really think it's only possible with applications designed with SMP in mind and compiled for OS4... and not with old OS3.x applications...
and for MorphOS, applications compiled for the Q/Box with SMP in mind (see below) are possible and get benefit of SMP

eg, some programs compiled for NT4/NT5 only use 1CPU because they hav not being developed with SMP in mind...
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 98 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 22-Feb-2003 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Max):
Are you trying to hide the fact that Genesi did give us false promises about what Pegasos can do and what it can't, or why re you attacking Amigaone etc ? this thread is not about Amigaone.
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 99 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Leki on 22-Feb-2003 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
> A 3rd party could jump in and make G4 cpucards available for Pegasos. ;-)

not if they wont work on the pegasos or there are problems with G4 on the pegasos (not due to MAI as AmigaOnes have G4)
Pegasos to go on sale on Monday - Pegasos II to be available in September 2003 : Comment 100 of 318ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 22-Feb-2003 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Anonymous):
"Are you trying to hide the fact that Genesi did give us false promises about what Pegasos can do"

No the Pegasos 1 is upgradable (but they'll not be upgrades from genesi, maybe from a third party?). They just decided to offer a better MB (Peg 2) rather than a G4 upgrade for the same price to Peg 1 owners.

"and what it can't, or why re you attacking Amigaone etc ? this thread is not about Amigaone"

Because Mr Ben "I'm a lawyer" Hermans talked about it :)
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