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[News] Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-IIANN.lu
Posted on 22-Feb-2003 18:33 GMT by Senex (Edited on 2003-02-22 22:40:34 GMT by Christophe Decanini)99 comments
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In a statement at MorphOS-News.de and the public MorphOS-mailinglist, Genesi adresses further details regarding their change to the Pegasos-II: This is a letter we sent out today to the "inside" group...(sorry no images!)...

22 February 2003

Dear Friends of Genesi,

We wanted to provide some basic communication this weekend to all of you, because frankly our focus this past week has been the Management meetings here in Paris. We hope that this letter will assist you in understanding more clearly the direction of the Company. Please feel free to respond directly to us at bbrv@genesi.lu with your questions. If you understand and share our vision, you can adjust your effort to become more relevant to our corporate framework if you desire.

As we have said before, Genesi stands on the verge of enormous opportunity. We can provide a completely integrated solution, including hardware, operating system, and a number of (bundled and unbundled) applications. We can innovate in ways that involve the complete integrated package, rather than being limited to new developments within each level by third parties (HP and Microsoft are not as self-reliant in this way). Genesi and our associates need to leverage this advantage fully. We are smaller, faster and will be necessarily more adventurous in our efforts. Do not hesitate to share your most creativity ideas with these mailing lists. Together, we believe we can create a substantial and long awaited change to the IT marketplace.

In the first BIG opportunity to our Company, we are required to develop using a PPC and MorphOS, a terrestrial Digital Television receiver with interactive/computing and smart card read and write functions (to be referred to as the DTV STB). This product will not require the use of the Articia and we will be producing significant quantities in the development phase and a special version of MorphOS (without hurting the complete version). If we deliver the DTV STB in a satisfactory manner we will be eligible to receive orders for over one million units. It is a once-in-a-lifetime professional opportunity for all of us. We need to make the most of it.

Of course, none of this would be possible without the years of dedication required to bring the Pegasos and MorphOS to where it is today. We are all proud to be associated with the bplan guys. The difficulties over the last year have nothing to do with them. It is the Articia from Mai Logic that has caused us months of delays. It does not perform to the advertised specifications. Thankfully, Gerald and Thomas tested and mounted the Aritica on the April2. That is right -- the April2.

The first patch that Gerald and Thomas developed works as we know, but there were still bugs. The new Articia (and Teron) is still very likely to have trouble as more problems were detected after the Aachen Show and well after the joint work Gerald did with for the new Articia in October and November with Mai. The April2 brings the Articia fully to the performance levels it claims to achieve. We have purchased the remaining worldwide supply of the old Articias and will make 400 more Pegasos main boards with the G3 CPU. Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia. This will be common knowledge soon (let the others understand this on their own our word will stand as testimony to our knowledge and skill). Once produced, we will stop (we may license production of this version of the Pegasos to Plexuscom or others). These machines will easily satisfy the Amiga market and give us the machines we need to seed our developer base while Gerald and Thomas switch out the old Articia to a much more attractive alternative (details later). This could be ready by the summer. The RAM speed of the Pegasos will be as high as any offered in the market and this WILL attract considerable interest. The DTV STB revenue can carry us until this point (remember this IS a business we hope you Developers begin to remember this!).

To repeat a few words from an earlier communication?

If our strategic vision is compelling and our execution excellent, we will increasingly attract skilled developers. What Ralph, Frank and the core MorphOS Development Team have accomplished to date is exceptional, but now we need to establish a professional development and management system for MorphOS, formally retain the services of all key MorphOS developers, and recruit new talent to the project. We have struck on the Phoenix association to develop a vehicle to do this. All registered Phoenix members must use a special Phoenix logon and password to have access to the reduced Pegasos pricing that will be available through <a href='http://www.pegasos-usa.com' target='_blank'>www.pegasos-usa.com. We need to be somewhat selective in insuring that these next boards go to people that will advance in communion with our effort and our internal developers and Phoenix members will have priority. We will also develop the User Group program next week and a system for handling Pegasos sales so our Distributors also benefit.

Our targeted resource/sales markets from the near to medium term are:

1. Amiga/MorphOS
2. DTV STB
3. LinuxPPC and OtherPPC

We will continue to promote to the Amiga/MorphOS market, as we have. Our underlying focus should be: broadening and stabilizing MorphOS, attracting applications and drivers (ports/original programs), and establishing a Pegasos toolkit. At the same time, <a href='http://www.pegasos-usa.com' target='_blank'>www.pegasos-usa.com is working and our online sales support and information site at <a href='http://www.genesi-support.com' target='_blank'>www.genesi-support.com will continue to improve. If we are lucky we will awaken and attract the slumbering ex-Commodore consumer market, but that will take some time and we are not quite ready for mass-market attention. The sites will be there and ready. Until we are ready with the Pegasos II we will not promote the sites as much as we could. Plus, we will standardize the Pegasos distribution network over the next few months taking a semi-franchise approach. When we are ready, everything will be in place.

On the hardware side we start where we are: the Pegasos. We have discussed the features: upgradeable, scalable, modifiable (smaller eclipsis, subsets/modular Psylent/STB), and open, as in Open Firmware (facilitates scheme for peripheral association/development IAW the IE1275 standard). We will develop a solid plan and feature set for each Pegasos envisioned and the corresponding software bundles. The management review that took place this week was very successful. We have defined and agreed to our objectives and are now preparing a solid plan for the future.

NOTE: for 200 Euros and trade-in ALL Pegasos I Users (includes Betatesters) WILL be able to upgrade to the Pegasos II (just to put an end to that FUD!).

About Linux and the other targets?OS4 too -- ;-)

Linux people usually want something great for nothing, but in the PPC market if we can get a design win over the Teron the next price point is a Mac. As more professionals and desktop consumers switch to Linux, the future of commercial software on Linux is very bright and so is our hardware. Functionality will become precedent over cost in this market. We need a bootable bundled distro and Mac-on-Linux. Linux will be a major force in the future. Today, it is still difficult to install software, drivers, set up firewalls, etc., but because of the generous licensing environment and the massive corporate support Linux is gaining (IBM, HP, etc.) as well as government mandates and funding in many countries, it is set to become the "next big thing". We need to be part of that trend.

Any PPC OS that is reasonable to port with external resources is interesting to us. We need a Go/NoGo decision matrix. Again, we are looking for resources and developer talent. For example, while Linux gets the glory, BSDs are running some of the biggest sites. We have seen the first screenshots of OpenBSD running on the Pegasos. Further, there is an increasing amount of interesting open source projects we could find a way to adapt to our use.

Finally, we are interested in restoring the Demo Scene to the Pegasos. The traditional and overt message in a demo was technical skill. The visual effects pushed the supposed limits of the platform's capability and graphics were skillfully executed. Good demos are the marriage of advanced technical, creative and artistic abilities. For the future, we need a new generation of Sceners to be pulling the most from the platform and the OS. This can generate plenty of positive attention. Besides the nVidia butterfly lady has the wrong color wings! This is why we decided to sponsor Equinoxe.<br />
All these other things all ultimately bring us back to our key advantage: a completely integrated solution, including hardware, operating system, and applications. Management is working hard to turn this vision into a reality. While the sale of the Pegasos and MorphOS alone could never sustain the Company we are building, it may one day in the future. We use the Pegasos today to begin our move to the future, while insuring the development and growth of the MorphOS. Things could get pretty exciting if we can get that far. Let us not forget that 30 million STBs sold last year and they were called video game consoles.

Please feel free to provide any feedback to us.

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill

P.S. If you are still confused go here -- www.lagardere.com -- and select Lagardère Media présente "Focus sur la Télé" on the left. This should help explain everything (even if it is in French!)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 1 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 22-Feb-2003 18:28 GMT
Well they certainly have a plan and direction.

As for Pegasos being better than the AmigaOne, that's simply a case of Ford saying their cars are better than General Motor's - and we all know THAT'S not true ;-)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 2 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 22-Feb-2003 19:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Darrin):
I wouldn't be caught dead owning a GM. I'll give GM their due, they are better then Diamon-Chrysler any day of the week. Ford/Mazda maybe average, but it's still above the rest of the US automakers crap that rolls off the union lines.

Dammy, Honda owner with 346K miles on his CRX.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 3 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 22-Feb-2003 19:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (dammy):
LOL. Damn it Dammy - we can't agree on computers OR cars!!! :-)

My GM (Chevy) Camero will leave your lame Honda well behind ;-)

(Actually, I used to own a CRX myself back in '92 - nice car, it used to fly down the autobahn).
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 4 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 22-Feb-2003 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (dammy):
346,000 miles??? Where the hell have YOU been driving? Your ass must be the same shape as your car seat by now ;-)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 5 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 22-Feb-2003 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darrin):
...and our Porsche what?!


R&B


P.S. We have a Civic too!
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 6 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 22-Feb-2003 19:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (bbrv):
I'll race your Civic, but I'll need to borrow a friends Corvette for the Porsche... ;-)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 7 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 22-Feb-2003 20:59 GMT
as I posted on MorphOS-news.de some hours ago, you can also se the 'Lagardère Media présente "Focus sur la Télé"' thing in english ... http://www.lagardere.com/us/TNT/intro_pc.html
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 8 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 22-Feb-2003 21:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Darrin):
You have no speeding regulations? I thought pretty much ALL cars can go just the same max speed, legally speaking :)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 9 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Not a Eyetech Fan on 22-Feb-2003 21:36 GMT
Bucks and friends must NOT do this to the users, do this and your doomed.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 10 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Lorne Hammond on 22-Feb-2003 21:58 GMT
@bbrv

Congratulations on your announcement, again you're pushing the envelope with constant news releases and information, very well done.

@Amiga Inc.

You've lost a customer, keep my 50.00, I no longer want an A1 I'll put my support and backing towards Pegasos / Morphos fully.

@Everyone else on Ann.lu

Some of you are Zealots, while I wish for the days when I can use a non-Wintel box as my daily pc but for now that isn't going to happen (for example, last night I finally got a RAM: disk working in Win XP, IIRC the Amiga had it back in 86 or so..)

But seriously, this 'community' has fallen apart, someone like Bill Buck is trying to lead the memory of the Amiga out of the ashes and you guys do nothing but rip on him. Its got to be frustrating for him as he's getting attacked from all sides. Count the announcements from him over the last week against the announcements from Amiga Inc. Yes thats right, there havn't been any from AI.

Don't tell me ' Morphos isn't AmigaOS ' I know that, but currently, asides from emulation it is probably the best re-implentation of the older os, and if you really want to run Aos in emulation mode or on classic hardware, by all means do so. If you want to run it on new hardware then do so, if you don't want to run it at all, then why are you here.

L
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 11 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 22-Feb-2003 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Not a Eyetech Fan):
@Not an eyete....

"Bucks and friends must NOT do this to the users, do this and your doomed."

Do what?

They are telling us that Pegasos(1) production will stop and are actually offering a pretty decent upgrade offer aswell. Can't see any real problems with that unless you bought your Peg and wanted to upgrade it to a G4 (or dual G4) right away.

I must admit I have a very hard time believing that they stopped production because of faults on the Articia, seems more like a problem with availability to me (availability to Genesi that is!).

But under the given circumstances I think Genesi is doing the best they can, so I don't see any reason why people should complain.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 12 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 22-Feb-2003 23:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Troels Ersking):
Troels, that's a very balanced posting. Almost nice to Genesi. Are you sick or something? Do we need to call an ambulance? ;)

These new developments come so quickly I must give them some time to sink in. I noticed there was some criticism that the Pegasos 1 would not take a G-4 expansion card, but it seems to have been answered with the trade-in offer. I personally doubt I will trade mine in, because PPC G-3 at 600 mHz with a lean OS gets excellent performance right out of the box. What kind of Amigan pouts because he doesn't get a 2.5 gHz CPU? We are supposed to be about efficiency and performance, not raw horsepower.

The recent news seems very good to me. 300 customers are going to be satisfied. We will build the creative community, and eliminate those damn back orders (excuse my French). I must say I was concerned about the back orders, where people who wanted to buy Pegasos and MorphOS weren't able to get them. Overstock is an manageable expense; when you understock you are blowing your potential, which can be catastrophic.

Some people were concerned that the introduction of STBs would mean abandonment of the desktop. But I don't see it that way at all. Genesi's technology and abilities are unusual and a bit unpredictable, so they need to cast a wide net and do a lot of different things, otherwise they'll never find out what they are capable of. I hope they make a zillion STBs, I hope they introduce the Eclipsis, I hope they continue the energetic support of the desktop market. The only thing that I would find unacceptable is if they did nothing. Thankfully that is not a problem with Genesi.

You know I sent my Betatester back to Paris today, to change out for an Aprilized one. I think I am going into withdrawal already, ahaha!
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 13 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 22-Feb-2003 23:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Daniel Miller):
"Troels, that's a very balanced posting. Almost nice to Genesi. Are you sick or something? Do we need to call an ambulance? ;)"

Hehe... No need for an ambulance, but thanks for asking :)

I am well aware of that I have critisised Genesi(Thendic)a lot. There have been several reasons for me to do that, some of them seem to have changed to the better although they still have that connection with DCE:(

Last week I actually considered ordering a pegasos (if I could be sure not to get a DCE one). But now I have decided to wait for OS4 and then see what system I find is best.
Hopefully I will be able to go to a show somewhere (Sweden, germany, england?) where both systems are being shown. There is one Danish dealer selling both A1 and Peg but they cost _much_ (way to much) more than in Germany and I doubt they have any in stock.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 14 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 23-Feb-2003 00:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Darrin):
If your a student its less about make and speed and more about skill, for instance getting a 1.1 fiesta to fly for almost 2 seconds with 4 people in it ;)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 15 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 23-Feb-2003 01:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (corpse):
Man, I'm glad I'm not in the Genesi camp right now.

Good luck, you're gonna need it.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 16 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Feb-2003 01:43 GMT
What *I* am reading into this announcement (feel free to disagree) is this:

"We kicked up such a fuss with the Articia bug that MAI refuse to sell us any more chips (that's the REAL reason we're only making 300 P1s). So we're playing righteously indignant, relabeling April chips to April 2 to conclusively prove MAI can't design chips worth a damn, and looking for a substitute northbridge (cos we don't really have a choice - our engineers are good, but not THAT good). Note to self: in future, don't diss our one and only chip supplier. OBTW, plan B (the set-top boxes) is looking really good."
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 17 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Not a Eyetech Fan on 23-Feb-2003 02:16 GMT
Buck please reconsider as this is one bad move which will destroy hopes and dreams of followers and maybe worshipers of MorphOS.

Give the users what they want instead of dangling them as bait.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 18 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 23-Feb-2003 02:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (dammy):
Egads! You're still driving that thing????

Still, I won't argue results, and that's impressive.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 19 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 23-Feb-2003 03:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
>What *I* am reading into this announcement (feel free to disagree) is this:
>"We kicked up such a fuss with the Articia bug that MAI refuse to sell us any >more chips (that's the REAL reason we're only making 300 P1s). So we're playing >righteously indignant, relabeling April chips to April 2 to conclusively prove >MAI can't design chips worth a damn, and looking for a substitute northbridge >(cos we don't really have a choice - our engineers are good, but not THAT >good). Note to self: in future, don't diss our one and only chip supplier. >OBTW, plan B (the set-top boxes) is looking really good."

I have seen the April 2 PCB, it is clearly not the same fix.

And Mai is just a single providor of Northbridge chips for the PowerPC, along with the likes of IBM, Motorola, Tsunami, etc. Saying "one and only chip supplier" is a joke, right?

Or am I the only person to notice that the new boards will be out in 6 months? Doesn't imply "finding a new northbridge" to me.

Frankly, Mai doesn't have chips *to* sell, as shown by the lack of boards from both Terrasoft and Eyetech. Heck, it took eyetech how long to get samples promiced them back in November? The difference between Genesi and Eyetech is that Genesi can make their own boards while Eyetech is slaved to Mai for everything. Mai fails to deliver, Genesi dumps them for vendor a, b or c. Eyetech, in the same position, sits idle, twiddling their thumbs.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 20 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 23-Feb-2003 03:13 GMT
So when will we get more details about the P2?
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 21 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 23-Feb-2003 03:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (bbrv):
I feel so out of place, driving the Chrysler in this bunch.

LeBaron's rule!
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 22 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 23-Feb-2003 03:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (strobe):
on monday I heard...
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 23 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Feb-2003 04:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Nate Downes):
>And Mai is just a single providor of Northbridge chips for the PowerPC, along >with the likes of IBM, Motorola, Tsunami, etc. Saying "one and only chip >supplier" is a joke, right?

"The one and only chip supplier" for their one and only motherboard design.

>
>Or am I the only person to notice that the new boards will be out in 6 months? >Doesn't imply "finding a new northbridge" to me.
>

Well, 6 months is roughly how long it takes to design a new motherboard and get it into production (not too much time to test it though... are they going to blame their next chip partner for that batch of bugs?) I guess they must've just found the chipset they need, now they just need a motherboard. Else they're just stalling. Not like *that* ever happens in the Amiga industry...

>Frankly, Mai doesn't have chips *to* sell, as shown by the lack of boards from >both Terrasoft and Eyetech. Heck, it took eyetech how long to get samples >promiced them back in November? The difference between Genesi and Eyetech is >that Genesi can make their own boards while Eyetech is slaved to Mai for >everything. Mai fails to deliver, Genesi dumps them for vendor a, b or c. >Eyetech, in the same position, sits idle, twiddling their thumbs.

I have a hunch that Genesi's ability to make their own boards is also the reason why they can only churn them out 300 at a time (I doubt bplan ever needed the capacity to manufacture expansion cards faster than that). I would not be surprised if genesi announced a "far eastern partner" for their next design. As for eyetech being "enslaved", I'd be really surprised if genesi managed to get a PPC northbridge manufactured by more than one company. They'd be just as enslaved, only to a different company. The only way to avoid that kind of "enslavement" is to use a *modern* CPU, not some 1990s throwback.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 24 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by NihilVor on 23-Feb-2003 05:54 GMT
Funny how Amiga can post hype and everybody jumps on them and then MorphOs comes along and always does them one better on the hype scale.

>satisfy the Amiga market

How are you going to do that? I think Amiga, the specter of Amithlon, and Aros will do nicely. I'm worried that the MorphOs gang is going to crash as they attempt to take advantage a market that is saturated with alternatives--with what amounts to a risky platform (Pegasos).

Shouldn't they wait till they sell their P1s and their OS before planing the P2s? Much of it is way to "strategic" for my tastes--like the slipping in of Amiga 4.0 in the above--but one can't say that they don't have a plan.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 25 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 23-Feb-2003 07:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
If they were stalling they wouldn't be this forthright.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 26 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Kal-L on 23-Feb-2003 08:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (strobe):
Peugeot 309 GTI Rulez :)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 27 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Feb-2003 08:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Troels Ersking):
I think he is saying that there is only a demand for another 300 Pegasos machines over the next six months.

"These machines will easily satisfy the Amiga market and give us the machines we need to seed our developer base"

There's no point in making more than you expect to sell. Every unsold board is an actual financial loss.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 28 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Feb-2003 09:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Kal-L):
>>Peugeot 309 GTI Rulez :)

Rules what ??

Ah... The Dinky Toy catagory.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 29 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Feb-2003 10:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Ehm, sorry to tell you but the 400 nbs are the last "old" Articias. bPlan
discovered and fixed the bugs for MAI.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 30 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by StormLord on 23-Feb-2003 11:45 GMT
Anyone wanna race his metal cage with my ThunderAce ? bids are welcome.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 31 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 23-Feb-2003 12:08 GMT
Update regarding the distribution of the 300 new boards, exchange for Peg-I/April-2 boards, etc. at MorphOS-News.de:

http://www.morphos-news.de/comments.php?lg=en&cpp=1&nid=222&page=37

Personally most probably I won't exchange and will wait for the Peg-II, since I noticed no problems so far with the April-1 and think it's more useful if this way one developer more can get one of the last boards instead.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 32 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 23-Feb-2003 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Don Cox):
Don Cox typed:

> think he is saying that there is only a demand for another 300 Pegasos
> machines over the next six months. "These machines will easily satisfy
> the Amiga market and give us the machines we need to seed our developer
> base" There's no point in making more than you expect to sell. Every
> unsold board is an actual financial loss.

Well, we need to be more specific here. If you have some units that you
expected to sell by some point in time but didn't, you are not going to
put them in the garbage can and take an "actual financial loss." You are
going to keep them in stock and be confident that you will move them in
the future. You can move them by discounting them or finding a market of
second resort, like for instance maybe Motorola wants some more and will
buy up your excess stock.

Now, you do run an expense for overstock in at least two ways: you have a storage or warehouse expense and then you have an opportunity expense in that your money is tied up in the excess inventory instead of being invested elsewhere, for instance you have $50,000.00 worth of boards gathering dust when you could have $50,000.00 of interest-accumulating municipal bonds or whatever. However this is a manageable expense if you do realistic forecasting so as to minimize the overstock.

It is true that there are extreme cases, such as when Atari grossly overestimated sales of game cartridges of ET the Extra-Terrestrial movie and ended up trucking pallets on pallets to the landfill. That would be a big financial loss, but I don't think it's a danger here.

In my opinion you want to plan for a small amount of excess inventory, which brings me to the negative aspects of understocking. The purpose of any company is to provide a good or service to its customers, and when you tap out on your good or service you simply are not doing your job. Even if it is just a few cases of "sorry, we don't have any more" you tick off your customers, you get anecdotal complaints that diminish the reputation of your business, and you are not living up to your potential. And it costs you money in foregone sales, and you are not capturing the marketshare you could be, and your competitors (assuming you have any competent ones) are filling the breach. I do have some experience with this, because I managed a 250 item inventory in a former job.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 33 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 23-Feb-2003 12:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Don Cox):
@ Don Cox

"I think he is saying that there is only a demand for another 300 Pegasos machines over the next six months.

I know.
So the next 6+ months will be used to prepare for the PegII release. No real market currently exists for the Pegasos as it has only sold in a very limited quantity.

"There's no point in making more than you expect to sell. Every unsold board is an actual financial loss."

Offcourse theres no reason to have 2K boards in stock.
If the demand is limited to 300 boards I don't think Morphos will ever take of as a desktop system (the PegII might sell as a server system).

For Morphos/PegII to take off outside this community it will really need something special to appear within the next 6 months. As it is right now I don't think anyone outside of our community will buy it, why should they..?
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 34 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 23-Feb-2003 12:59 GMT
"Our G3 Pegasos performs better than the G4 Teron with the Articia."

A clarification would be nice BB, othervise people would maybe think of it as FUD :)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 35 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 23-Feb-2003 12:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Daniel Miller):
>I noticed there was some criticism that the Pegasos 1 would not take a G-4
>expansion card, but it seems to have been answered with the trade-in offer.

It's not answered. They are very vague about the Peg II, maybe NDA'er can get that info....

What you say?

Well, did you notice the AGP speed of the Peg II...I sure didn't notice...you see that was the problem with leaving Mai, is the alernatives didn't support AGP *at all*.

So, what is the AGP speed on this baby, 2x, 4x, 8x, maybe none???
If they found a chip to support AGP, is it one on the market, cause I never heard of one....if it is one *under development* then how can they promise a summer delivery? Aren't they dependent on their chip supplier to complete the design, and is that guaranteed?

You see, the trade-in offer doesn't satisfy everyone.

But you won't see me making post after post trying to get the word out...I am quite sick of all the effort it takes to get Amiga Inc. or Genesi to tell the REST OF THE STORY.

And quite frankly, all this sudden ability for these companies, hyperion, genesi to do a modest amount of self criticism isn't persuasive....yes they can make a token effort to build their credibility and to appear 'frank' and honest, but in fact, its the same old same old.....non-delivery...hidden issues...

yes everybody markets....but when was the last time you didn't know the agp bus on a mac or a dell computer....
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 36 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 23-Feb-2003 13:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Don Cox):
>>I think he is saying that there is only a demand for another 300 Pegasos machines over the next six months.

or perhaps they're expecting 300 Pegasos boards to break down over the next six months ;-)

(sorry, couldn't resist it)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 37 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 23-Feb-2003 13:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (MarkTime):
> Genesi to tell the REST OF THE STORY

Well, it's been repeatedly said that more information will follow tomorrow (monday) - i.e. that's not as if we'd have to wait monthes for it.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 38 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 23-Feb-2003 13:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Lorne Hammond):
> (for example, last night I finally got a RAM: disk working in Win XP,
> IIRC the Amiga had it back in 86 or so..)

DOS had it back then too (the Windows 98 boot disk uses it) although it was more like the RAD: disk as it was a fixed size.

For NT/2K/XP there was actually a dynamic ram disk that came as a sample device driver in the DDK, apparently it works quite well, although i've never used it since as my hard disks dont leave me waiting around like floppies did on the Amiga (the primary reason I used RAM:/RAD: in those days)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 39 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Feb-2003 13:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (bbrv):
Raquel and Bill, you really suck !
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 40 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 23-Feb-2003 13:31 GMT
MorphOS is dead.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 41 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 23-Feb-2003 13:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Nate Downes):
Yeah, still driving the poor thing for a bit longer as the clutch is wearing out fast and I don't want to put any more money into it. Not sure what I'll be getting next, new or used. Just wish the Honda FCX wasn't another four years from being released to the public. :\ Something about being able to wave a middle finger to the Middle East would give me a great pleasure. =)

Still 346K miles is damn impressive for an orginal engine and Honda has me as loyal customer. Just wish it's seats would hold up as well as the engine...

Dammy
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 42 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 23-Feb-2003 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (MarkTime):
Marktime typed:

>> I noticed there was some criticism that the Pegasos 1 would not take a G-4
>> expansion card, but it seems to have been answered with the trade-in offer.

> It's not answered. They are very vague about the Peg II, maybe NDA'er can get
> that info....

No, they said it publicly in the "Dear Friends of Genesi" document. "NOTE: for 200 Euros and trade-in, ALL Pegasos I users WILL be able to upgrade to the Pegasos II." There's no weasel room in that statement; they are committed.

When you ask about these AGP slot specs on the Pegasos II... you are really getting into a level of detail on the specifications that is not useful to the average user, who cares more about the fact the computing experience is satisfactory and there are apps available. Besides, the Pegasos II is still under development and all this stuff would be subject to change. I am sorry, but you can't have a blueprint of every minute detail right now. This is all IMO. :)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 43 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Timothy De Groote on 23-Feb-2003 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Troels Ersking):
It is FUD from my point of view. In anoter thread the same was claimed and when i challenged it, somone told me to run Cinema4d on my A1 XE G4 800. That is naturally the reply of someone who has no real arguments to back up his claim.

I have 22MB/s transfer speed on my HD and i have 4 devices connected..

Seems to me we have G4 and they don't :)
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 44 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 23-Feb-2003 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Timothy De Groote):
I also said we should do some Linux benchmark.

At amiga.org there have been some built-in Linux benchmarks posted in the
forum. Please post your results there.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 45 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Saint on 23-Feb-2003 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Timothy De Groote):
22mb/s? Well i have 35mb/s on my Pegasos, so what?
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 46 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 23-Feb-2003 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (David Scheibler):
I have a few very simple questions:

1. How does Genesi know that the REVISED Articia S exhibits the same problems which prompted the design of the April 2 chip?

To the best of my knowledge, Genesi has no revised Articia S chip to conduct these tests.

2. How does Genesi know that the revised Articia S (which they don't have) doesn't operate properly with the latest G4's chips (ie G4+ with on-die L2 cache)?

3. Does Genesi even have any recent G4+ chips or are they still using the old Phase 5 left-over chips?

4. How does Genesi know that a G3@600 Mhz based Pegasos (PPC 750 Cxe) outperforms a Teron PX/A1-XE with an MPC 7451@800 Mhz with 2 MB of L3 cache when they don't actually have either a Teron PX or an A1-XE with this CPU module to benchmark it?

5. How does Genesi explain that the "bug-ridden" Articia S passed IBM's "rigorous testing" and is now certified by IBM?

Let's all turn on our "Genesi reality distortion fields" (tm) as wait for the no doubt equally simple answers.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 47 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 23-Feb-2003 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Troels Ersking):
I've offered to pull benchmarks for people, but lack an A1 board to do so with. Still trying to get a complete setup for a proper benchmark.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 48 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 23-Feb-2003 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>3. Does Genesi even have any recent G4+ chips or are they still using the old
>Phase 5 left-over chips?

Are you writing under the name "Bernd Roesch" at amiga-news.de? ;)

>4. How does Genesi know that a G3@600 Mhz based Pegasos (PPC 750 Cxe)
>outperforms a Teron PX/A1-XE with an MPC 7451@800 Mhz with 2 MB of L3 cache
>when they don't actually have either a Teron PX or an A1-XE with this CPU
>module to benchmark it?

That's why there will be benchmark results hopefully being published soon. Mr
De Groote offered his help here.

>5. How does Genesi explain that the "bug-ridden" Articia S passed
>IBM's "rigorous testing" and is now certified by IBM?

I think you have the answer for this yourself.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 49 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 23-Feb-2003 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Timothy De Groote):
Are you volunteering yout A1-XE for the benchmarking test? if so, would need more details from you on your setup.
Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II : Comment 50 of 99ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 23-Feb-2003 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 ([JC]):
Except that the RAD is still here after a reboot.
I used to have all my boot partition in RAD.
Booting in RAM is nice.

You just need to have your boot partition copied in the RAD after a cold start.
Then you can reboot in the RAD over and over.
Some friends of mine were not believing that the system was booting in RAM. So I disconnected the HD in front of them and rebooted.
Then I said "Can you do that on your Windows boxes ?" ;)
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