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[News] The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duelANN.lu
Posted on 23-Feb-2003 20:15 GMT by Senex192 comments
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In a reply to Ben Hermans here at ANN, Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco challenge him to duel - Genesi's G3-Pegasos with April-2 against a G4-Teron from Hyperion (http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1045938818&category=news&number=57): Hi Ben, it is time for a showdown.

As there is no OS4 yet you can select the Linux distro and applications to be tested. We will select a couple applications too. You provide the latest, greatest Teron with G4. We will provide a G3 Pegasos with April2. We can test the boards togther and even do it live for the rest via internet.

You should not have a problem with this, right?

Sincerely,
R&B
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 1 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Feb-2003 19:18 GMT
Senex your grade A fool
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 2 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Feb-2003 19:32 GMT
This will be interesting!
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 3 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 23-Feb-2003 19:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Interesting. A duel between a system with only a future of 400 units, and discontinuation against a company who intend to sell units AFTER the end of Genesi's little sales effort.

Actually its not. Its a stupid pathetic PR effort which is totallypointless given the now clear death of the Pegasos.

Even IF the pegasos racks up better figures, WHAT is the point in this circus sideshow. Actually I no longer even ask for answers from Genesi, after Bill buck called me a parasite.

If you can't answer a question, use an old defense of smearing the questioner. The truth is this simple. When no answers are forthcoming expect the worst. So Bill, you view me as a parasite. I like that. It shows that my questions and points (that you have failed to answer) have hit home as far as I am concerned.

Eyetech, Amiga Inc, Hyperion, Genesi, MOS are simply not to be trusted. They lie. They smear. They fail to deliver. The spread fud and disinformation. Their acts over the years simply make you question ANY announcement. Any detail. Any new product. Worse they often carry out destructive acts to others within the amiga sphere, even where their failure to deliver is glaring.

Bill Buck, you called me a parasite. I suggest you go and have a look in the mirror. I'd fall to your level of personal insult, but I shall refrain.

'Trust NO ONE'.

AdmV
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 4 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 23-Feb-2003 19:45 GMT
why play these stupid little games ? Hyperion has an OS to complete and
just because Genesi is out of business for a new months, doesnt mean
Hyperion should stop working and join Buck's childish games...
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 5 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 23-Feb-2003 19:52 GMT
>Bill Buck and Raquel Velasco challenge him to duel

eh....i really doubt Raquel sits besides Buck all day ? :)
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 6 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 23-Feb-2003 19:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (catohagen):
Which would mean of course, the G4 mobo that Eyetech is pushing is crippled. I agree, it's a no winner for Eyetech, either they are going to admit be default their rebadged mobo is crippled, or they show it in public that it's crippled. What to do, what to do. Afterall, a G4 on a one to one scale with G3, should beat the crap out of it, right?

Dammy
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 7 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 23-Feb-2003 20:00 GMT
well, if a 'duel' is absolutely needed, install a dnetc client and crack some keys for The Amiga RC5 Team effort :)

or just do a benchmark, it'll only take a few minutes..
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 8 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Lorne Hammond on 23-Feb-2003 20:01 GMT
This is a good idea..

Get a reviewer, maybe the guy over at OSNews.com to put PPC linux on a Teron, Pegasos and an A1, using same ram, same vidcard, same cases etc.

Showcase these systems, in detail.. Bill Buck is certainly willing to show that the Pegs may run well / have flaws, at least with an impartial reviewer and some photos / tests / same config we can put all the FUD to a rest and get some real numbers.

And maybe just for balances sake, put it up against a 1ghz duron or so running one of the major distributions.

Funny, the Peg owners/supporters say ' yes lets do it ' .. the A1 owners/supporters say .. ' no way dumb idea, Bill is a so&so.. '

wierd huh.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 9 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by dammy on 23-Feb-2003 20:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Lorne Hammond):
Skip the AMD, don't want to embaress the PPC fanatics. ;P

Dammy
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 10 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Lorne Hammond on 23-Feb-2003 20:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (dammy):
Ha.. you're right Dammy..

But then at least we'd see how close / how far the peg/a1/terons are away from an equally setup, albeit much cheaper amd solution.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 11 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 23-Feb-2003 20:18 GMT
Hey, now that is somewhat amusing me ;-)
I am not sure if someone outside Germany know the famous "Werner" Comicbooks,
but this showdown reminds me at the race between the red xxxxxxx Killer and the Porsche ;-) Unfortunatelly, the 6 engine Horex lost that race... But hey, It was a great event ;-)

So reactivate Annex, get a showroom (I really would like to act as a moderator then, I am sure it`ll be big fun ;-) and let them "start their engines" *gggg*
(and according to the comic book race, the loser will be thrown with....hummmm...ah I know, Windows XP CD`s ;-))))
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 12 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 23-Feb-2003 20:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (AdmV):
>Even IF the pegasos racks up better figures,

well, well, this is really funny. They make you think a G3 peg could outperform a G4 while they haven't even seen one (read the comment, "Ben give us a G4, we will test, blurb"). So, what the f... is this for? A G3 doesn't have a chance. Guess what the Amiga scene will do with Altivec when this get's available to them...so, a CXe will never outperform a G4, no matter how fast the bus interface will be (which in both cases is a 133MHz interface. Ignore the 0.5% difference! This is childish!). Come on, get serious!
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 13 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Feb-2003 20:49 GMT
Marketing. They need to sell those 300 boards...
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 14 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Mr. Bread on 23-Feb-2003 21:06 GMT
All I can say on this: O U C H, arrogance hurts.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 15 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 23-Feb-2003 21:12 GMT
either Ben Hermans or Hyperion are making/selling mobos, shouldn't they
challenge Mai or Terrasoft instead ? :)

I wonder what/how they would respond to an email from mr.buck, offering this 'challenge' :)
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 16 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 23-Feb-2003 21:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (priest):
Could be.. But does not do much good to their reputation if there is no Proof. And proof has to be more than few words from CEO. Sorry BBRV, but... I'm not blind beliver.

Of course if it's true, it'll be normal Hyperion tactics to publicly deny everything for at least a month and then mix up some hodgepodge containing smoke&mirrors, partial truth and lot's of positive spin.

So, whatever the reasult, someone's going to burn.. Bets anyone?
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 17 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 23-Feb-2003 21:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (priest):
It seems to be no problem to sell the 300 or so Pegasos I units. Phoenix is getting responses at a steady rate for the $299 deal from developers, Demo Scene and User Groups. The responses from those last two categories have multiple people signed on by their leaders/officers. So I'm more concerned that the units will sell out far ahead of the availability of Pegasos II (based on a September date).

Then there would be a dry spell. But either way it's going to get the hardware and software into the hands of people who can help advance the platform.
 
 
<--greenboy---<<<<
coordinator & facilitator-at-large
Phoenix Developer Consortium [http://phinixi.com]
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 18 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 23-Feb-2003 21:25 GMT
Ouch, it could be interesting...

Anyway, I hope the pegasos 2 won't be late... The 200 euros peg 1 G3 -> peg 2 1 G4 upgrade is definitely interesting...
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 19 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 23-Feb-2003 21:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (JoannaK):
Those A1G4XE betatesters have been awfull quiet recently ... perhaps everything bigger than OGR/RC5 does not run properly...
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 20 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by mahen on 23-Feb-2003 21:31 GMT
Anyway, why keep the pressure like this ?
Why isn't everyone quiet until something really interesting happens ? I can't stand anymore seing this community being torn apart...

(or the few people who take part in those forums anway)
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 21 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 23-Feb-2003 21:44 GMT
Now, Genesi are saying that a G4 upgrade doesn't make any sense for
Articia based machines because of performance problems.

AOne supporters on the other hand are touting the G4 option for the
AOne as one of it's selling points vs the Pegasos.

Well, who's right? Does the AOne have an advantage? Is the Pegasos
crippled because of it's lack of G4? Or is the AOne crippled?

Please, come on. Don't pretend that this wouldn't be interesting.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 22 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 23-Feb-2003 21:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (JoannaK):
Its hard to be a blind believer when the facts, occurances, FUD and so on begin to build a solid case against what is said.

Right now BBRV regards himself in the same way other 'leaders' tend to do when they act dictatorially. He suns himself and floods all areas of the sphere with his propaganda.

Sure he had the upper hand. But like communist governments find, when you can't produce enough to keep your population happy, and your propaganda begins to come apart, the natives get restless.

And promises to win a global war of weaponary escalation, given a total lack of simple things (washing machies, hoovers, clothes, and the simple things in life in the communist world) and (Pegasos and other items) in the amiga sphere world mean the leader will soon have to resort to activities that destroy opposition in his sphere (Eyetech, Hyperion and other 'dissidents'). This can be done in a variety of ways, but the promise of his G3 beating the pants of someone elses G4 is merely to do this.

Sadly this does have a history of success in humanities history. But I think the 'great leader' this time round as a Zirinofski (I probably spelt that wrongly ..) and will remain on the periphery of the sphere.

The continued deluded obsession with Set Top Boxes followed by very unlikely specification new desktops for every amiga 'follower' if the set top venture comes true is a little like the promise of paradise from the benine (usually less than) dictator.

Please someone advise me WHY you would have market contacts that would be interested in a STB, and bandy around the quoted figure of 1,000,000 and have a team of ex amiga developers and hardware guys build an infrastucture to go for that sale, yet continue to give the speel that you wish to build a high spec dual ppc box with other unlikely and very expensive development, for low volume, high cost, heavy investment for very small return?

I'll tell you why. The set top box is perhaps a viable option. The hardware is cheap enough to do and the software need only fit certin tasks/uses. But perhaps the people required (hardware/software) are not part of that, and can only be part of the STB project IF it ties into a desktop OS /Hardware.

I don't buy it. He's trying to buy the developers and OS for the set top box. The ppc OS and hardware is a sideshow. The benign leader will skip the country once the money from the STB comes in.

AdmV
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 23 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Muffin on 23-Feb-2003 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (priest):
I'v heard that the A1G4XE work like a charm from a betatester and he got it this week.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 24 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Bored with this confrontation crap on 23-Feb-2003 22:06 GMT
Hmmn Thendic still advertise a G4 pegasos on ANN

Wasn't the AmigaOne (g3-SE) supposed to be crap because it didn't have an option to upgrade to G4.

If bplan are such hardware gods then why didn't they see that the G4 would be "crippled" as they call it. If they are so great then why don't they just make thier own northbridge/southbridge chips?

Wait a sec, didn't P5 delay thier G4's because of "northbridge supply issues"?

All i can say is :- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 25 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Jack Me on 23-Feb-2003 22:22 GMT
This is getting oh so childish. I'd like to see the benchmarks that back up Bucks original comment.

<quote>
"just one more thing so ALL of you undersatnd... the teron G4 does NOT run as fast as the Pegasos I G3....;-) tested, proven"
</quote>
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 26 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 23-Feb-2003 22:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Bored with this confrontation crap):
Hello,

The Pegasos still have a G4 option, it's just called Pegasos 2 now :) Ok it's a new motherboard with new features additionally to the G4. But it'll cost the same as the previous planned G4 upgrade for Peg1.
So in a customer point of view it's all good for the customers as they got a better product for the exact same price (200 Euros for any Peg 1 owner to upgrade to Peg 2).

Regards
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 27 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by esseffe on 23-Feb-2003 22:30 GMT
I personally am waiting for the two systems to be released so that I can decide which one to go for but atm I am tending towards the AOne rather than MorphOS but I will refrain from judgement until BOTH (unless one of them isnt going to be or delayed constantly/indefinitly) have been released (selling to users) then I would like to see comparisons done and/or reviews.
One comparison I would like to see would be the RC5 to see mobo differences with same CPU type (if possible) as well as other items (ram etc). And also comparisons by running same 68k software like Cinema 4D etc then some real life tests like Ibrouse (or other PPC native sw that runs on both ) , maybe also getting both to use the same Linus disto (installation) and app to see if there is any difference.
But these comparissons can only be made once both systems and OSes are out there in the shops so hopefully they can get them finished soon (please) and also can some rich git buy one of each in order to do the tests needed !
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 28 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Parasite on 23-Feb-2003 22:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Frodon):
Erm. You forgot the triple gigahertz ethernet and DDR memory controller, oh and its dual PPC. Sure. Its going to be better than ever, cheaper than ever, and will be here sooner than you can shake a stick at. Course.. no one really thinks 'hey, why dual PPC G4 when the G5 or IBM 970 would be more upto date?'

The reason is its just another ruse, bullshit, whatever you wish to call it. They failed in making the G3 system in large numbers, failed to say why its failed, and now try and sell their now unhappy customers a new deal to try and keep them sweet.

Is'nt it just great?

ThePaRaSitE




"The Pegasos still have a G4 option, it's just called Pegasos 2 now :) Ok it's a new motherboard with new features additionally to the G4. But it'll cost the same as the previous planned G4 upgrade for Peg1.
So in a customer point of view it's all good for the customers as they got a better product for the exact same price (200 Euros for any Peg 1 owner to upgrade to Peg 2)."
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 29 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Parasite on 23-Feb-2003 22:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Frodon):
Erm. You forgot the triple gigahertz ethernet and DDR memory controller, oh and its dual PPC. Sure. Its going to be better than ever, cheaper than ever, and will be here sooner than you can shake a stick at. Course.. no one really thinks 'hey, why dual PPC G4 when the G5 or IBM 970 would be more upto date?'

The reason is its just another ruse, bullshit, whatever you wish to call it. They failed in making the G3 system in large numbers, failed to say why its failed, and now try and sell their now unhappy customers a new deal to try and keep them sweet.

Is'nt it just great?

ThePaRaSitE




"The Pegasos still have a G4 option, it's just called Pegasos 2 now :) Ok it's a new motherboard with new features additionally to the G4. But it'll cost the same as the previous planned G4 upgrade for Peg1.
So in a customer point of view it's all good for the customers as they got a better product for the exact same price (200 Euros for any Peg 1 owner to upgrade to Peg 2)."
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 30 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 23-Feb-2003 22:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Parasite):
Hello,

" no one really thinks 'hey, why dual PPC G4 when the G5 or IBM 970 would be more upto date?'

The reason is its just another ruse, bullshit, whatever you wish to call it. They failed in making the G3 system in large numbers, failed to say why its failed, and now try and sell their now unhappy customers a new deal to try and keep them sweet."

Well I'd rather say: "Because G5 or IBM PPC 970 is not yet available and not yet produced."

Regards
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 31 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by DDJ on 23-Feb-2003 22:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (AdmV):
@ADMV

We talk about computer performance here, what hell are you trying to say with WAR, COMMUNIST and bla bla bla ?

if you don't want to know ho have the better hardware, OS etc… don't open your Browse and come here post something about you don't care, but people ho want to buy this HW, will (i guess the majority) want to know the true about this ArticiaS issue and Pegasos/AONE.

Set the date and PLEASE do the HW-Challenge.

Better then this, buy a AONEG4 and do the challenge yourself Genesi, wait for a answer from Hyperion will take ages, they probably are beta-testing the answer :), sorry people i can't resist.

We are talking about computers here people, anyone here is not interested in know how your HW option, perform against the competitor?
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 32 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 23-Feb-2003 23:08 GMT
This is beyond childish.

Can Genesi do anything else to make them look any more unprofessional?

This whole 'Genesi' thing is a joke right?

---
Sam
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 33 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by TBone on 23-Feb-2003 23:14 GMT
What's wrong with a comparison? I think it would be interesting.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 34 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by DDJ on 23-Feb-2003 23:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Sam Smith):
>This whole 'Genesi' thing is a joke right?

Maybe to you, are laughing righ now :).
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 35 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 23-Feb-2003 23:33 GMT
Personally speaking I'd love to see this happen with a large showing and officials and whatnot. Though here's the catch to it. Each "team" will be given the same linux distribution and 3D rendering package. The "teams" will then render the most complex sample scene that is included with the 3D package. Now to make that a real world test, the 3D rendering package should remain nameless until it is time to do the test so it would include install time, setup time, document reading time and everything inbetween. The officials will keep track of time from when each team opens the unmarked cardboard boxes to the time the 3D rendering is completed. So that no underhandedness is done, the Hyperion team will be using Pegasos computers while the Thendic/bPlan/Genesi team will be using the Teron systems.

Now that we have guidelines set for how this should all take place, I want to see it happen. To make things fair, Pegasos can use a G4 in their system if they want when the system is ready. Same ram in both systems, same hard drive, cdrom, graphics card etc. I'm not interested in MIPS (meaningless information of performance standards) testing but rather real world tests that you would see a new user going through.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 36 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 24-Feb-2003 00:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Sam Smith):
Sam Smith wrote:
> This is beyond childish.
Can Genesi do anything else to make them look any more unprofessional?

What is unprofessional about this challenge? Products of other are put into contrived competitions all the time: look at the auto industry. Why would anyone interested in these products *not* want to see them go head to head? Maybe these guys who don't want to aren't really into computers at all, but just hang on out at these forums because they like the verbal combat. Or maybe they're afraid Bill Buck is onto something.

> This whole 'Genesi' thing is a joke right?

Well, if your idea of a joke is producing hardware and an OS for it, I suppose so. This is an amusing novelty in the Amiga market. But the fact of the matter is that Genesi, whether you like their PR style or not, has a lot on the ball right now, they've actually brought products out, and they've been very straightforward and open with customers and potential customers. I can understand how people react strongly to Bill Buck's personal style, which is pretty over-the-top compared to most CEOs, but it's hard, in my opinion, to say the company doesn't have a pretty neat product and a lot of momentum right now.

It's pretty clear that a lot of the negative reaction Genesi gets isn't really deserved, as far as their products are concerned, but is due either to "personality conflicts" or to some people's predisposition to bash whatever isn't the "official Amiga, Inc." product line. Not saying this applies to you, Sam, but it's certainly true for a lot of the negative responses here. It's amazing how much blind fanaticism there is around here; these people really aren't into technology at all, they just get off on the politics and arguing.

-- gary_c
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 37 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Independent Physiotherapist on 24-Feb-2003 00:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Lorne Hammond):
> Get a reviewer, maybe the guy over at OSNews.com to put PPC linux on a Teron,
> Pegasos and an A1, using same ram, same vidcard, same cases etc.


Huh? Are you referring to that retard Bouma that pollutes osnews occasionally?

"In the blue corner: The Pegasos, G3/600. Unfortunately I only found a 4 MB 72-pin SIMM to use with it, and a 20 MB A590 ST-drive with an IDE adapter, and a Matrox Millennium PCI gfx card, no April fix, and Slackware 1.0 quickly recompiled to PPC... I won't use MorphOS <spit> because that's ILLEGAL!!!!!! <font size="-1000">(edit by Eugenia: allegedly)</font>
In the red corner: The Teron PX^H^H^H^H^H^H^H AmigaOne XE G4/800, fine-tuned 2.4.20benh kernel, 120GB 8MB cache UATA100 drive, Radeon 9500...

Let's get ready to rrrrrrrrrrrrumble!

And the results are in: Mozilla compiled in 6 hours and 20 minutes on the Pegasos, while the POST screen showed up in only 5 seconds on the Ter^H^H^H AmigaOne! We have a winner! Congratulations, McEwen, Hermans and Redhouse, to your fabulous hardware engineering skills!"

Yeah, right. :-D
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 38 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 24-Feb-2003 00:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (anonymous):
>A G3 doesn't have a chance. Guess what the Amiga scene will do with Altivec >when this get's available to them...so, a CXe will never outperform a G4.

Yep, you're right, G4 with Activec will blow up the G3... but don't dream too much. As there is NO real operating system available for Benny's A1, how do you want that their so-called G4 outperformed a Genesi G3 ? With some AOS4 screenshots ? With Linux ? Mu-hahahahahahahaha. ^o^!

By the way, guess what the Amiga scene will do with Altivec when this get's available to them with the Pegasos2. Yep, think about it !

Xtacy, "The future is in your Pegasos"
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 39 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Independent Physiojournalist on 24-Feb-2003 00:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Independent Physiotherapist):
Sorry I almost forgot:

"Please read the remaining parts of this article (2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7) for information on THE DEAL OF THE CENTURY: How to order a t-shirt for ONLY $50 DOLLARS (it's also a pre-payment for something or other, which will cost... uh... something... whenever it might be released) and... ahem... supporting The Amiga(TM)!"

Duh.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 40 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Feb-2003 00:31 GMT
System performance benchmarks for real users. Here are some base level examples, benchmarks for stuff that most people do more or less regularly. Their relative weighting depends on your style of use

* MUSIC Vorbis stereo encode & decode samples per second
* PHOTOS libJPEG (w/ float core not integer) encode & decode blocks per second
* IMAGES True (div 255 method) integer composition RGBA pixels per second
* WEB Deflate compress & decompress bytes per second
* WEB/SECURITY 128-bit RC4 encode & decode bytes per second
* SECURITY Triple-DES encode & decode bytes per second

(3D stuff intentionally omitted, the burden on the CPU depends enormously on the specific application and the available hardware acceleration)

I'd love to see fair comparisons for performance of these baseline activites between any number of machines, the Pegasos and A1 could be among them. Numbers from pure-throughput and abstract problems (such as OGR) are much less interesting unless your computer is primarily a toy.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 41 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 24-Feb-2003 00:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Sam Smith):
>Can Genesi do anything else to make them look any more unprofessional?

I don't think that comparing two computers and their OS sounds nor lookks unprofessional. It is one of the way to do business. Companies always compare their products in public advertisement to others so as to show up the advantages of their product and the lacks of the others' one. It is totally conventionnal to act like this. That's business. If you wan't to react on the way of doing of Genesi, you'd better complain about the capitalism system and be a real communist! ;)

Xtacy. "The future is in your Pegasos"
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 42 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 24-Feb-2003 00:35 GMT
I agree with this test, although not with the manner of which the challenge was established.

Let both companies "put up or shut up", as we say...
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 43 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Xtacy on 24-Feb-2003 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Independent Physiojournalist):
Ha ha ha !! Excellent ! And I am hearing some of them very proud and still crying "I am Amiga" !!!! mu-hahahhahahahaa.

Maybe am I too much realistic but I'd rather buy a concrete Peg than something that can only launch Linux. I don't want Linux on my machine!!! I want something that remembers me what Amiga was at full speed and Genesi fulfill all what I want with a real Operating System.

Xtacy. "The future is in your Pegasos"
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 44 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by German Amiga User on 24-Feb-2003 00:43 GMT
Bill, you have too much time?
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 45 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-Feb-2003 01:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Sam Smith):
>This is beyond childish.
> Can Genesi do anything else to make them look any more unprofessional?
> This whole 'Genesi' thing is a joke right?

What's wrong about a comparision? either one of them will come out to be the worst one, so you'll be able to decide what to buy _already now_.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 46 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Feb-2003 03:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Fabio Alemagna):
There is nothing wrong with it.

But the Whole way it has come about IS god damn fecking joke.

Only compleat A Holes will not see this.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 47 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Feb-2003 04:55 GMT
Bill Buck must be the reincarnation of P.T. Barnum.
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 48 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 24-Feb-2003 05:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anonymous):
Anonymous wrote:
>There is nothing wrong with it.
>But the Whole way it has come about IS god damn fecking joke.
>Only compleat A Holes will not see this.

How did it come about? Ben Hermans asked this question:

"4. How does Genesi know that a G3@600 Mhz based Pegasos (PPC 750 Cxe) outperforms a Teron PX/A1-XE with an MPC 7451@800 Mhz with 2 MB of L3 cache when they don't actually have either a Teron PX or an A1-XE with this CPU module to benchmark it?"

So Bill Buck answered with the challenge to compare performance one-on-one. Where is the joke? It seems to me the joke will be if Ben Hermans doesn't take this opportunity to make Bill Buck eat his words (if Ben is right) or to get the answer to the question he asked (if Bill is right).

The funniest thing about all this is the emotional reaction of some people, but then Bill Buck does try to stir people up, so I guess he's getting the reaction he wants.

-- gary_c
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 49 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Feb-2003 06:09 GMT
Weren't there some RC5 stats posted around a few days ago from an XE G4 800?
The big shown-down: Genesi challenges Hyperion to duel : Comment 50 of 192ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Feb-2003 06:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Lorne Hammond):
Hear, hear, if this lame stunt does happen, it is best if it is done by an objective third party.
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