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[Rant] Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-ShirtANN.lu
Posted on 01-Mar-2003 17:29 GMT by Master Of Disaster126 comments
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Has anybody received his coupon yet? I'm still waiting for it (and my T-Shirt, too!!!) and now there is not even an address at Amiga Inc. that I could send my complaint to. Also my emails are left unanswered. Isn't their behaviour criminal? I mean: I have ordered a product and not received it yet - more than a year after placing my order .. anybody here can evaluate the chances of a law suit against them?
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 1 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 01-Mar-2003 18:22 GMT
I'm in the same situation.
I thought about legal action but for the sake of $50 its not worth it. Maybe we can all club together and get Ben Hermans to represent us in a group action? Seriously. He is a lawyer and is best qualified since he knows all the ins and outs of this situation.

And, regarding the coupon, there is none. And even if there was one it would be worthless, since no retailer would redeem it (at least none of the ones I asked) - I guess Amiga retailers trust AInc about as much as the rest of us (ie. not at all). Eyetech said that when I buy an AmigaOne I probably have to send the reciept to Amiga Inc (which could prove rather difficult considering they don't have an address...) and then Amiga Inc refund the $50. Yeah right...
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 2 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by ACG on 01-Mar-2003 18:25 GMT
Sounds like the lawsuit line is forming...

What a shame.....
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 3 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 01-Mar-2003 18:28 GMT
robbed by your own family =/

seriously i don't understand why anyone like amiga inc longer, and this isn't something i say because i like morphos or so, i would probably never get a pegasos either. But at least genesi seems a little more "real".

(looks at banner with AmigaOne XE for 649.90 euro, yeah right..)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 4 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 01-Mar-2003 18:32 GMT
I forgot to mention about the T-Shirts...

At the start of January AInc apologised for the delay in sending out the T-Shirts and said it would be sorted out in a "few weeks" (we all know what those words mean in Amiga terms...) Well, its March now!

However, during all this time we've been waiting if you wanted an Amiga T-Shirt you can go to mall.amiga.com and buy one right now! Why don't they send us one of those shirts??

Those damn incompetent liars at AInc are a disgrace to the Amiga name. Their supporters are becoming more thin on the ground each day that goes by.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 5 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Robert on 01-Mar-2003 18:37 GMT
i have the same problem and one more, my adress has changed as well as my email adress...none of my e-mails are replied....sad
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 6 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ian on 01-Mar-2003 18:49 GMT
Unfortunately it was exactly this reason why I didn't go for the $50 coupon and a T-Shirt. I just don't believe a word Amiga Inc. says anymore. If they can't even deliver a bunch of T-Shirts it doesn't say much for our future.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 7 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by hgm on 01-Mar-2003 18:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Robert):
<"few weeks"> is something like 52 or more
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 8 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 01-Mar-2003 18:58 GMT
There is no use in filing suit against Amiga Inc. You can't get blood out of a turnip. Amiga has no money and you can't get what they don't have.

coldfire
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 9 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 01-Mar-2003 19:00 GMT
Is anybody here on a developer or support network with Amiga Inc? Surely someone with email contact to Amiiga Inc. can perhaps ask the question and press home the issue.

Otherwise everyone is left thinking that Amiga Inc. is unable to afford even a thousand T-Shirts. After being paid $50 for each one it would be logical to deduce that A Inc. have therefore spent the money already and there's nothing left to produce the goods. This does not bode well.

---
Sam
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 10 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 01-Mar-2003 19:16 GMT
Why don't you just take it like a man. You have been screwed. Wasn't that obvious when all that coupon-crap started? I didn't fall for it and believe me, I WAS A1 fan back then. Boy how times change.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 11 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Mirror on 01-Mar-2003 19:19 GMT
According to your other post...

you have your Amiga1

email fleecy@amiga.com with a scan of your receipt or any proof that your amiga1 has arrived and has been paid for.

Tell him you want the $50 and T-shirt is seven working days. Point out they have had the money since last july. Point out also you credit card interest rate and that they should pay your interest on the $50 over this period.
Finish with that you want you money, T-shirt within 7 days or you are going to your credit card company.
If you dont have it by then. Report them to your credit card company. Who will credit the money back to you and will pursue amiga for it themselves.

As soon as my Amiga1 XE turns up (Funny you have yours as hans-joerg still has finished the final version of u-boot for the A1's, unless you have a dev XE not a end-user XE), then i will get my credit card company to pursue amiga for the money.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 12 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 01-Mar-2003 19:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Mirror):
I agree with Mirror on this one. To contact Amiga as soon as you have your Amiga1 and give them a week to send money and t-shirt is the way to go!

Fleecy have always answered my emails within 24 hours, so it might be a good idea to go via him..
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 13 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Capeview on 01-Mar-2003 20:06 GMT
Personally, I would rather have Hyperion/Eyetech take over full control of all things Amiga Inc have. At least they can run a company, and you get some news from then on at least a regular basis. Both companies have always done an excellent job on the products they release, and I would rather support them, than A-Inc anymore. Perhaps it's me, or are the Europeans just good at running reputable companies that don't always want to rip you off???
I'm now starting to get fed up with A-Inc myself. We are doing this, that and the other and we'll let you know as soon as we can due to NDA's. This seems to be there excuse now for anything they have to say. If they are supposed to be producing something, then it's about time they either come up with the goods or shut up forever. I think we're all getting fed up about hearing about there Windoze PC Handheld products.
If A-Inc want to stay in business, then they better think quick. If everyone who bought a $50 coupon got together with there credit card companies, and threatened them with the possibility of wanting this money back, the Credit Card Companies can do this, and A-Inc better start paying attention.
I would love to see what happens. I say give it to the end of March and if there is no sign of anything coming from A-Inc, except the same of NDA's can't say anything speech, then we should proceed. If they've closed down, then we're stuffed anyway.

AMIGA INC, IT'S ABOUT TIME YOU TALK TO YOUR SO CALLED COMMUNITY THAT YOU SUPPOSEDLY LOVE, ADORE AND NEED WITH AN ONLINE HOSTED CHAT WITH A REPUTABLE KNOWN HOST WHICH PEOPLE LIKE HYPERION/EYETECH WILL BE A PART OFF. NO MORE TIME WASTING. THE COMMUNITY IS DWINDLING AND THE MONEY IS WALKING. SO GET YOUR FINGER OUT. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 14 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 01-Mar-2003 20:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Capeview):
> Perhaps it's me, or are the Europeans just good at
> running reputable companies that don't always want
> to rip you off???

It must just be you, since there are plenty of Europeans willing to rip people off.

On a *completely* unrelated note, do you want to buy some "Europe is great" T-shirts ;p
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 15 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Michael philips on 01-Mar-2003 20:21 GMT
Amiga inc is run by complete wankers who could not even sort out a simple t-shirt order, if the Amigas future is in Amiga incs hand then it is doomed.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 16 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Just Me on 01-Mar-2003 20:30 GMT
Correct me If I have over looked something
but was the last survey sent out to poll
how many folks would estimate ordering A1
boards/unit and was not the total
an exasperating number,,,,under 1500
cannot run a profitable enterprise
on those numbers...
Its just the facts
be happy that anyone is left producing the
continuations and software updates
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 17 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 01-Mar-2003 20:31 GMT
For those who used a credit card ..... the amount of time that has passed is probably beyond the 90 or so day you had to file a complaint with your CC bank.$50 isn't really much for them to consider pursuing as it'd cost them more than that to pursue it, unless any one bank can sum total all who paid thru that given bank. But still the amount to time that has passed is even beyond the outer limits of 120 days.As to the number of paying club members.... considering the means/media of advertising the coupon/club offer, I'd assume that most would have heard about it thru or near enough to the media of the internet to be able to look at such media for information and even to add their own comments.Now does the amount of comments you are seeing as representitive of the stated number as one would think?Perhaps the numbers were padded......As to the comment about Ben Hermans being a lawyer... On another thread there is comment about some investigation done by BBVR showing Ben to be a legal clerk, not a lawyer.Getting blood out of a turnip??? Perhaps not, but in a class action against Amiga it is perhaps possible to get what Amiga IP they have to be released to the community in such a manner that efforts like AROS, etc. will no longer have a potential weight of IP bitch slapping by Amiga hanging over their head.NOTE: AROS is under such a license that is non-constrained in such ways that both commercial and non-commercial interest can make productive use of it.Also note that the Amiga Patents held by Gateway are not effected by anything Amiga Inc does or not, so I suspect there still may be some IP bitchslap possibilities.In summary, perhaps the best route is a class action suite brought on by consumers and other purchasers of Amiga Inc products that did not meet up to expectations. This might also include issues of NDA signators.The target being one of freeing up as much Amiga IP as possible, as a matter of finally removing the long running IP bitchslap the consumers and developers have received.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 18 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Mar-2003 21:04 GMT
First of all, let me say that, for those who placed an order before the end of the promotion (before midnight, July 31, 2002) the items that you are entitled to are still going to be delivered. There are reasons for the delay and those who actually PAID for it, will soon know why. We have no intent nor are we obligated to divulge this information to anyone but those who actually paid for it.

Second, any club members whose information (email, postal mail) has changed, can get that information on record with us by doing the standard e-mail to webmaster (webmaster@amiga.com) "thing." :)

Also, those who have had an email address change can still update their user/customer information in our records. Simply go to http://www.amiga.com, login and then go to http://www.amiga.com/index2.php?sp=account and update your e-mail address.

For those who have lost their login information and have a valid email address in our database, use http://os.amiga.com/index.php?LostPass=1 to get your login caredentials e-mailed to you.

For those who do not have a valid e-mail address on record with us and do not know their Amiga customer/account login information, a simple e-mail to me (webmaster@amiga.com or rakey@amiga.com) gets the job done quite efficiently, usually within hours -- if not minutes.

There's no reason to overreact here people. :)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 19 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Mar-2003 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Ray A. Akey):
Oops. I meant "credentials" above, of course. :)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 20 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Mar-2003 21:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Michael philips):
"Amiga inc is run by complete wankers who could not even sort out a simple t-shirt order, if the Amigas future is in Amiga incs hand then it is doomed."

It's easy to level this nonsense against someone or something when you don't know the situation. Fact is, if you were in our shoes, you'd have gone out of business long ago. The fact that we are still alive, still working and could do so for MUCH longer (if needed), is testament to Amiga's longevity and ability to stay alive even through rough times. This is something that none of the owners since the demise of Commodore can say.

Don't worry, Amiga Inc isn't going away anytime soon!

By the way, constant readers.. there are far more club members giving us kudos for sticking it out that there are those of the other opinion. Just like anything else, the dissenters (and non-members who really have nothing to gain but additional negativity) are a lot louder than the others. :)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 21 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 01-Mar-2003 21:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ray A. Akey):
Ray...

You realized you just admitted that Amiga, Inc was in financial trouble, right?
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 22 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by AmiSouth on 01-Mar-2003 21:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ray A. Akey):
Excuse me, but people are going to be ill with someone who took $50 then "dissappeared like a thief in the night". I'm sorry Mr. Akey, you cannot expect to treat customers, paying customers, this way without turning them from you. I'm not trying to be rude, just stating a fact.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 23 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ville Sarell on 01-Mar-2003 21:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Nate Downes):
Now how did he say it? I didn't get that picture from it.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 24 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 01-Mar-2003 21:38 GMT
"Fact is, if you were in our shoes, you'd have gone out of business long ago"

something missing here Ville?
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 25 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ville S. on 01-Mar-2003 21:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Hooligan/DCS):
Quite a lot actually. Kay just stated that if a guy who's not aware of what's actually happening inside the corp., could not do business with it. Quite silly argument actually, but that's what I think he meant.

Although if that guy is aware of the situation he would know what's going on, ie. controlling the company would be easier.

Words should be understood by trying to think like the writer him/herself.

IMO :)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 26 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Mar-2003 21:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Nate Downes):
Nate, I did not say "financial" trouble. Don't put words in my mouth.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 27 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ville Sarell on 01-Mar-2003 21:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Ville S.):
Akey it was, not Kay. Sorry about that.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 28 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Mar-2003 21:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Hooligan/DCS):
I guess I just chose the wrong words. I didn't mean going out of business as a whole and as a company. I meant giving up because of mounting pressure. Many would have gone under long ago. But we can take it..we are a strong bunch.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 29 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 01-Mar-2003 22:01 GMT
Ray: We know .. just kiddin' mate.
Seems like you're the only one doing something anyway .. hopefully you still get paid? :)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 30 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Mar-2003 22:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Hooligan/DCS):
If I wasn't getting paid, I wouldn't be working.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 31 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 01-Mar-2003 22:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Nate Downes):
"You realized you just admitted that Amiga, Inc was in financial trouble, right?"

Have that ever been a secret???

Thought everybody knew that Amiga was in trouble at some point. Guess they have secured more funding since they are still with us.

Can't see the problem with the T-shirts.. It would cost them max. $4000 to honour but I guess whoever provided that funding also decides what it's used for (develpement not t-shirts)..?
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 32 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Mar-2003 22:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Troels Ersking):
Theoretical question here Troels:

Which do you think is more of a priority, paying lawyers to assure that you remain in business or printing t-shirts?

Now, I don't know that this is the case since I'm not privy to that information and have no intention of asking about it. But having been in a partnership company myself, I can pretty much confirm that the latter would be the priority.

Fact is, we can all assume this or that and that Amiga is this or that and they should spend their money like this or like that. I can certainly say this for a fact: Amiga will overcome and we WILL produce what we have promised.

Hey, I have a novel idea for those who are still sitting on the fence.. Stick around and see the end result. It might surprise you. :)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 33 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Mar-2003 22:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ray A. Akey):
Oops. (ann.lu needs and "edit" feature. :)

I, of course, meant that the latter would not be the priority. :)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 34 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 01-Mar-2003 22:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ray A. Akey):
You're right - a lesser company would have given up a looong time ago.

Thanks for the response. I'm sure a lot of the negativity isn't consciously built up against you - it's just that when there is no information for great swathes of time - people sometimes get a little jittery.

I sincerely hope that Amiga Inc. reaches its goal.

---
Sam
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 35 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 01-Mar-2003 22:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Sam Smith):
Thanks Sam, I appreciate that. I've been working my butt off, as have the rest of us at Amiga Inc. which is a lot of the reason we've been quiet. The less talking we do, the more we get done. :)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 36 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 01-Mar-2003 22:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Ray A. Akey):
@ Ray

"Theoretical question here Troels:"

Hopefully only theory:)

"Which do you think is more of a priority, paying lawyers to assure that you remain in business or printing t-shirts?"

I would offcourse pay the lawyers and wait with the t-shirts, just like evetbody else.

"Now, I don't know that this is the case since I'm not privy to that information and have no intention of asking about it. But having been in a partnership company myself, I can pretty much confirm that the latter would be the priority.
Fact is, we can all assume this or that and that Amiga is this or that and they should spend their money like this or like that. I can certainly say this for a fact: Amiga will overcome and we WILL produce what we have promised."

I certainly hope so but I understand why people are frustrated with Amiga. Bill promised a lot of things and we haven't seen any really usable products yet (it's been over 2 years..!).

"Hey, I have a novel idea for those who are still sitting on the fence.. Stick around and see the end result. It might surprise you. :)"

I'll be around :) Will be getting me an A1-XE or Pegasos(II?) and wait patiently to see what Amiga comes up with :-)

Anyway, I wish you good luck.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 37 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 01-Mar-2003 22:37 GMT
But I would like to point out some things that should be obvious.

I'm going to buy some games from Centsible Software. They are in the US, I am in Canada. It will cost $14 to send it. A T-shirt would probably cost the same amount. That leaves $36. A shirt approx. $10 (doubtfully less than that). That leaves $26. Then, say a letter with a membership card, min. $1. It's a LIFETIME membership. Do you really think $50 could cover that? They make nothing ($$) and offered a $50 rebate as well. That one is resolved by raising the price by $50 dollars.

Do you think they would have spent $5 million (I couldn't find out how much they paid) on December 31, 1999 to purchase Amiga IP from Gateway2000, for a scheme to gain $50,000 2 and half years later? How much does it cost to run a company? Doesn't just 1 full time programmer earn at least $25,000 a year? I don't for a second believe they used the money to buy a Ferrari. What could they do? They couldn't ask for donations.

I have no problem not getting a T-shirt or a $50 rebate. I want AOS4.0!!!! If my $50 shortened the time by 1 hour * the amount of people that sent them some money, I would implore that people could see that as a necessary thing and accept it. No one else would have put up with the grief and harrasment to do this for us.

Amiga Inc. are not the bad guys. They have a shoestring budget, they are doing as much as they can. Sometimes you have to look past $$ and cents. Some people are compelled to write freeware. Expecting nothing in return. Producing an OS isn't a trivial task. The people behind it have to earn something. So few customers are involved, which causes us to bear a big price.

This is something that is, without any doubt WORTH IT.


Amiga! AOS4.0 = inexplicable tremendous value!

Disclaimer:
I am not speaking on behalf of the company, only stating things that anyone should be able to put together by themselves. This applies to Hyperion and Eyetech as well. I am only a customer in waiting. :))
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 38 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Mar-2003 22:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ray A. Akey):
> The fact that we are still alive, still working and could do so for MUCH
> longer (if needed), is testament to Amiga's longevity and ability to stay
> alive even through rough times.

Well, that's more of a reflection of the community who sent the money than it is of anything Amiga inc is or isn't capable of doing. *ANY* company who collects money for undelivered product will profit, there's no mystery there.

1. take orders and prepayment for product.
2. ???
3. profit!!!

That's not a business plan that will last forever. What you're buying in time, you're paying for in bad PR and lost customer loyalty. I'd have to completely disagree that this is a "testament of longevity" as this is the very thing that works against success in the long run.

(sigh) only time will tell I guess.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 39 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 01-Mar-2003 22:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (T_Bone):
I probably shouldn't have posted that, I realise you're an employee and have little choice but to be defensive about such attitudes, but as a consumer it's increasingly difficult to take Amiga Inc seriously.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 40 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 01-Mar-2003 22:57 GMT
I know it's taking a long time, nothing short of an infusion of BIG cash can change that. But try to remember you are a PIONEER of a product that is HERE TO STAY!!!!

Imagine looking back, 10 years from now and saying, "I remember the lynch mob that tried to burn it to the ground, but I and a scant few others were willing to hold our breath, persevere, and produce a new and better way of doing things!!!".

I am here to see that Amiga GLORY! that will come forward quite soon.

Amiga! Not history, but MAKING history!! :))
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 41 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 01-Mar-2003 23:07 GMT
To the people who want to pursue lawsuits, this is going to help, how?

Will it make you feel better that you may possibly harass someone into a medical condition that sends them to a hospital?

There's ALWAYS times when things don't work out for people; Amiga Inc. and the others involved are in such a state. It's not worth it to condem and abuse them in the ways some people choose to. Imagine 200+ people sending you e-mail saying they HATE you. How would YOU feel? THINK about it!!! DO YOU THINK THEY ARE CRIMINALS????

Amiga! :(
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 42 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Colin O`Neal on 01-Mar-2003 23:15 GMT
Amiga inc spins a yarn and the great Amiga inc fans are happy.

What have Amiga inc done which is so wonderful that people think they are a great company?
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 43 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Dietmar Eilert on 01-Mar-2003 23:33 GMT
To balance some of the negative comments here: Whenever I had contact with people from Amiga Inc (or working with Amiga Inc), like Gary Peake, they've always been exceptionally nice and helpful.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 44 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 01-Mar-2003 23:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Colin O`Neal):
In 1986 I saw the Amiga, and it WAS GOOD!

Then in 1989, I finally saved enough and bought an A2000, and BEHELD BEAUTY!!

Albeit, it was a microcosm of WHAT COULD BE!!!

And the time is NOW, for its TRUE POTENTIAL to be released, and it will be known as: AOS4.0!

Amiga! Walk the road less travelled.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 45 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 01-Mar-2003 23:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Atheist2):
>I have no problem not getting a T-shirt or a $50 rebate. I want
>AOS4.0!!!! If my $50 shortened the time by 1 hour * the amount
>of people that sent them some money, I would implore that people
>could see that as a necessary thing and accept it. No one else
>would have put up with the grief and harrasment to do this for us.

But Hyperion didn't see a single cent of that 60 grand coupon money. And hence yours and my $50 went nowhere towards the goal of a new PPC AmigaOS. Instead it went to paying AInc's phonebill/rent/whatever.

If you want OS4 so badly it would have been better to have sent the $50 straight to Hyperion. Amiga Inc talk (or at least, they used to), while Hyperion does the work.

>Amiga Inc. are not the bad guys. They have a shoestring budget,

So did a lot of companies - the original Amiga Corporation, for example! Having a shoestring budget doesnt mean you are permitted to rip people off, tell lies, make promises you have no intentions of keeping, and accomplish nothing. AInc treats us like mushrooms (keep us in the dark and feed us bullsh**). What is happening with CeBit, for example?? We had that big announcement about the relaunch of the Amiga desktop platform and then it turns out they haven't even booked a stand and don't say a word about it, like they're hoping we forgot what they said (like all those other big promises Bill made in all those other big announcements). I'm sick of it.

Now look at Genesi. They have vision, enthusiasm, commitment, and more importantly, a tangible product. They support users and developers, sponsor shows, keep us informed. Such a stark contrast to the way Amiga Inc conducts business.

>they are doing as much as they can. Sometimes you have to look past $$
>and cents. Some people are compelled to write freeware. Expecting
>nothing in return. Producing an OS isn't a trivial task.
>The people behind it have to earn something. So few customers
>are involved, which causes us to bear a big price.

Yes, Hyperion deserve a lot of respect for what they're doing, but again this has nothing to do with Amiga Inc.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 46 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by theone on 02-Mar-2003 00:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Lando):
For those of you who speak German, do have a look at *post 30* following if you got fed up with Amiga Inc. and want to work on the next Amiga desktop in semi open-source project style:

http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/comments/thread/AN-2003-02-
00276-DE.html

In short, ANEWHOPE is a project to do an A500-like machine for the 21st century. More info on this project (ANEWHOP)E to follow this summer.

Project will be started by then and everyone is welcome to join...

Better invest it or some of your free time than wasting $ 50 for a shirt which doesn't arrive for 12 months....

So long,
theone
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 47 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 02-Mar-2003 00:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Ray A. Akey):
" First of all, let me say that, for those who placed an order before the end of the promotion (before midnight, July 31, 2002) the items that you are entitled to are still going to be delivered."

Yeah, right.

7+ MONTHS to come up with a bunch of T-shirts? Are they "on track and rockin'" now?

And you expect people to take AInc seriously these days? Get real.


"There are reasons for the delay"

Yeah - AInc wanted the cash and likely had very little intention of coming up with the goods. I believe that is called "theft".
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 48 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 02-Mar-2003 00:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Atheist2):
@Athiest2

Eyeam?
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 49 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 02-Mar-2003 00:52 GMT
Heh heh, no.

Amiga! Mooooo.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 50 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 01:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (T_Bone):
> Eyeam?

Most definitely, I'd say. I'm just missing those inane dialogues...
You know, like:

"Sir, we've captured ourselves a POW! He's a raving lunatic and keeps ranting about a dead computer platform, the latest in the line of companies owning the trademark, and kneels and prays in the direction of Snoqualmie, Wa. What should we do?"
"Take him out in the trench and shoot the goddamn sonofabitch!"

:)
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