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[Rant] Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-ShirtANN.lu
Posted on 01-Mar-2003 17:29 GMT by Master Of Disaster126 comments
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Has anybody received his coupon yet? I'm still waiting for it (and my T-Shirt, too!!!) and now there is not even an address at Amiga Inc. that I could send my complaint to. Also my emails are left unanswered. Isn't their behaviour criminal? I mean: I have ordered a product and not received it yet - more than a year after placing my order .. anybody here can evaluate the chances of a law suit against them?
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 51 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 02-Mar-2003 01:04 GMT
I'm sure there is some statute of limitations .... now if they can only just keep leading people on.....
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 52 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 02-Mar-2003 01:24 GMT
being to close to a subject matter can be blinding.

anyone who has watched the history of this company named Amiga Inc. surely has to wonder about Rays sight.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 53 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 01:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Dietmar Eilert):
It's pity they can't sell "nice" and "polite" to people, if it would be possible, i'm almost sure they would do it.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 54 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 02-Mar-2003 02:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (3seas):
" being to close to a subject matter can be blinding.

anyone who has watched the history of this company named Amiga Inc. surely has to wonder about Rays sight."

Well.. at least he's get paid for what he's done. And that's somethng good to say about AmigaInc. :)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 55 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 02-Mar-2003 02:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (JoannaK):
This much is true. There's hope I guess
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 56 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 02-Mar-2003 02:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (JoannaK):
When I first heard that Amiga, Inc was not doing so well (about the time of the phones being shut off) My first thought was "I hope Ray's ok." He's a good friend, last thing I want to see is him get hurt.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 57 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 02-Mar-2003 04:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
I doubt they intended to steal it. I'm sure they felt that things would get better and funds would roll in to allow them to make it good. They probably still feel that way. Having said that.....there really is no excuse for taking money and not providing product promptly. I don't know what is going on at Amiga Inc. and can hardly care less. I'd like to see OS4 this summer and I'm thankful it's Hyperion doing it instead of Amiga Inc.

coldfire
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 58 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 02-Mar-2003 04:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ray A. Akey):
"Amiga inc is run by complete wankers who could not even sort out a simple t-shirt order, if the Amigas future is in Amiga incs hand then it is doomed."

It's easy to level this nonsense against someone or something when you don't know the situation. Fact is, if you were in our shoes, you'd have gone out of business long ago. The fact that we are still alive, still working and could do so for MUCH longer (if needed), is testament to Amiga's longevity and ability to stay alive even through rough times. This is something that none of the owners since the demise of Commodore can say.

Don't worry, Amiga Inc isn't going away anytime soon!


Actually I'd like it if Amiga Inc. went away soon. You all are useless to the classic amiga community. The one thing you could do for us...release the sources to Amiga OS, you wont do.

coldfire
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 59 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 05:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Nate Downes):
>You realized you just admitted that Amiga, Inc was in financial
>trouble, right?

So? Was that a secret?
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 60 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 05:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Sam Smith):
>You're right - a lesser company would have given up a looong time ago.

Hey, there was a guy a while ago who owned Amiga through a company called Viscorp and filed for bankruptcy, but people seem to forget ;-)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 61 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 05:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Atheist2):
>Doesn't just 1 full time programmer earn at least $25,000 a year?

LOL.
I know a few people fresh out of college who got hired by Microsoft and other large firms for $75/80,000/year to start
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 62 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 02-Mar-2003 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Ray A. Akey):
>The less talking we do, the more we get done. :)

a) how do we know if you dont tell us what you are doing and where you are with it?
b) shut up
c) get on with it
d) I paid my $50 and feel fully entitled to bitch at any Amiga Inc person until I see some sort of product ship (other than some hand-held games).

Now get back to work!
:P
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 63 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Dietmar on 02-Mar-2003 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Anonymous):
> It's pity they can't sell "nice" and "polite" to people, if it would be possible, i'm almost sure they would do it.

Well, Amiga Inc has been nice enough to developers to release the NDK3.9 free of charge on their web site while they easily could have charged for that material (as did all former incarnations of Commodore Amiga). I'm a developer, to me such a move is infinitely more important than that T-shirt issue.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 64 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 02-Mar-2003 09:14 GMT
Boy am I tempted to say "I told you so" but that won't solve anything. I warned ppl not to go into that coupon crap when it was introduced, and firmly believed it to be yet another scam in the vein of partypack offers. I remember the huge amounts of flaming I received for doubting the trademark holders.

At least now even those ppl have realised thru the actions or should I say unactivity via AmigaInc, that they simply are a lost bet and crooked too.

If they wanted a loan or contribution, they could have just said so and the loyalists would have sent the money in anyway. But they used the dirty tactic makebelieving gullible ppl that they would get something in return for their money. 50$ ain't much but it's immoral behaviour and questionable business ethics that stings so much in this ordeal. I hope ppl will now realize that there is no faith in Ainc.

Even Hyperion knows this, they can't just say so because they are tied to amiga inc because of os4.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 65 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 02-Mar-2003 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (gz):
i agree.

One thing has to be said though (as you say): as eyetech stated, this is a AmigaInc only idea, as everyone should know already. Don't blame Hyperion/Eyetech for this, as they have nothing to do with it. In fact, you could read in Alan's statements that they even thought this was a bad idea.

I find this very important because AInc played a very dirty trick: they risked bringing Hyperion/Eyetech in a bad spotlight (and they did) by asking money for anything OS4 related. Allthough we all know that none of this money did go to Hyperion for development of OS4. It was just a trick to get money to stay alive themselves.

While they don't manage to produce anything themselves, they just used the credibility Hyperion and eyetech have build up over the years for their own benefits.

I must say that i find this a very ugly tactic. And it has put Hyperion/eyetech/OS4 in a bad spotlight while they can't do anything about it themselves. Pleas don't forget that when thinking about OS4.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 66 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 02-Mar-2003 09:52 GMT
No need to go over that again and again (no os4 -> no aone -> no coupon).
Anyway, when buying the club membership you should have been aware of the chances to loose your money ... you didnt yet, those people at amiga are still struggling to go on despite problems.

I consider my 50$ a bet.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 67 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by strobe on 02-Mar-2003 09:56 GMT
What about the $100 SDK
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 68 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 02-Mar-2003 10:13 GMT
FLEECY MOSS ?
BILL MC EWEN ?

WHERE ARE YOU ?

Did you escape with the money ? Are you out of business ?
What did you do with the Amiga ?
What about all your promises ?

I crossed the ocean to meet you in Saint Louis in 2000. What have become your words ?
Why all these executives updates ? For nothing ?
Money for nothing ? Unable to deliver T Shirts ? (any little french association managed to deliver T Shirts...)

Where are you ? Vanished in the hole of previous failure Amiga owners ?

YOU have a responsability. Not because this is about the Amiga and its community.
But because you run (ran ?) a company, you asked for money, and you never delivered ANYTHING promised.

Show your balls. Come out and speak. Be responsible.

Ben Yoris
Representing a good part of the french Amiga community
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 69 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Brian Hoskins on 02-Mar-2003 10:36 GMT
Now I remember why I decided not to bother with ANN anymore - beacause it's full of people who whine and moan all the time. But I thought to myself, "well you haven't been there for a while - let's see what's going on".

And what do I find at the first post I get to? More whining and moaning, supposedly by the "Amiga Community". The truth being that the people using this site to post their maons and groans are not actually part of the Amiga Community, they are outside of it - and the more counter productive towards the Amiga they are the more they push themselves away.

I can understand what you're saying about the T-Shirts because I was looking forward to mine aswel, but when I ask myself the question: "Would I like to see the Amiga stay afloat and bring us product we can use or would I prefer to see Amiga bankrupted by forcing them to dish out T-Shirts to everyone".
A real Amiga Community member would go for the former option - let's get Amiga back afloat and THEN worry about a few silly T-Shirts. Afterall, if you bankrupt Amiga.Inc the T-Shirts wont be worth a penny will they because you'll have just destroyed the whole Amiga Platform!!! I don't think the Amiga could withstand another bankrupcy - not now.

So in short I know what you're saying, I feel the same, but Amiga.Inc make no secret of their lack of funds and they never pretended to be rolling in it did they. The only way Amiga can pull themselves from this situation is by pouring their resources into product that can be recieved by customers, and if that means I have to wait for A T-Shirt then I'm happy with that myself!! I think the coupon thing probably was a temporary income for Amiga to keep them afloat during what were then very hard times, but I also have no doubt that the $50 will be refunded once OS4 is released and the new machines are shipping out to the Amiga Community.

In the meantime, if my $50 kept the Amiga alive and put us in the psoition where new machines and a new OS IS released then I'm very happy to wait for my return,

Now for God's sake let's all stop moaning and get behind the Amiga Platform!!! If you're a real supporter of the Amiga Platform, that's exactly what you'll do. Where almost there, don't give up now!!!!


Brian Hoskins
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 70 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 02-Mar-2003 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Brian Hoskins):
This is no trolling or whining.

After so long time, and so much false promises, it's time they ANSWER.

It's your decision to be over tolerant, and over patient. And it's respectable.

But others are sick of waiting. The actual Amiga Inc. aquired the Amiga assets early 2000. We're in 2003. What's new for Amigans ? NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Time to report.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 71 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 02-Mar-2003 11:01 GMT
Tell you what...if you are still waiting we will give all coupon holders $50 off a Pegasos II when it is released. Plus, we will throw in a T-Shirt too.

We have given more than 2000 away already!

Raquel and Bill
Genesi
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 72 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Colin O`Neal on 02-Mar-2003 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (bbrv):
Bill Bucks please provide documents to back up the above comments and i would be happy to take up your £50 off a Peg.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 73 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 02-Mar-2003 11:21 GMT
All of the employees at Amiga Inc., Hyperion, and Eyetech, and the extended group (beta-testers, what not) are doing as much as they can, even donating personal time (I imagine some have/are) to complete a VERY DIFFICULT task. They don't need the distractions of responding to hundreds of requests of what features are incorporated, etc., etc. We the customers want this, but there's nothing concrete to say, so they don't say anything. We have to accept this because, they know that under no circumstances could they delay the release of the merchandise they have to offer for even a day. Every other big corporation is SO short sighted, they passed up a golden opportunity to own an OS. SO, Amiga will be left as the sole owner of a new digital dynasty, because computers control the world. We're talking about an OS that boots in less than 15 seconds, re-installs in 5 minutes, and is user configurable/understandable, that will have investors lining up at the door, once the first fully functional XE is available. Down the road you will be able to forgive them because they will deliver an end user experience like no other. Please forgive them now. They need morale support, as much as financial support.

Thank you for reading this.

Amiga! Hey guys, don't make me eat crow down the road.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 74 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 02-Mar-2003 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Dietmar):
As opposed to the incomplete and, indeed, laughable AmigaDE SDK which they ripped us off with to the tune of $100 - an incomplete pile of junk for which the long-promised essential updates NEVER CAME.

Let's face it, AInc have so far taken money for several things and have completely and utterly failed to deliver ANYTHING.

And yet people still denounceanyone who dares to comment adversely about this bunch of incompetant and unprofessional clowns?
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 75 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 02-Mar-2003 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Colin O`Neal):
Considering what a large proportion of announced Amiga-like computers never appears, it would be best to wait until you see a Pegasos 2 before believing in it. Plans tend to go awry in this market.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 76 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 02-Mar-2003 11:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Atheist2):
Hello,

"All of the employees at Amiga Inc., Hyperion, and Eyetech, and the extended group (beta-testers, what not) are doing as much as they can, even donating personal time (I imagine some have/are) to complete a VERY DIFFICULT task."

Ok maybe but you know to order a T-Shirt to a T-Shirt maker it takes about 5/10 mins max particularly when you already have the GFX material to put on it (as Amiga Inc have considering they asked the community to make it and made a vote).

Regards
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 77 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 02-Mar-2003 11:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Atheist2):
Maybe this good will guys, working for free should realise that it's not up to them to do what Amiga Inc should do by PAYING some professionals.

I respect deeply what they do, but I stand on the position that it's not up to them to do this work for free.

Amiga Inc., Please report.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 78 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Hutchinson on 02-Mar-2003 11:48 GMT
More fool you people for buying the dam coupon in the first place, it was a blatent money making scam from the start - its only real purpose was to keep a good supply of Coke rolling in for Bill!

Amiga Inc. - Fraudsters Inc. more like, as bad as most of the people trying to bleed the last bit a cash out the Amiga name now.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 79 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Hutchinson on 02-Mar-2003 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ray A. Akey):
Oh, please shutup, f$%^ing propoganda pedler.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 80 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Croft on 02-Mar-2003 12:20 GMT
Would you pre-pay a year in advance to get a nude poster of Christina Aguilera? I sure would.
But an OS or a company has no sex appeal right?

I suppose Amiga should have stated more clearly the 'conditions' of their voucher.
I have a policy of not lending money to people in financial hardship, because they probably got that way by having poor financial sense and probably haven't learned anything. I do not think this is the case with Amiga.
I'm sure all those Linux companies are barely getting by.
This whole saga will be decided when: We get enough software to back up the OS.
I hope all the talented programmers haven't dissapeared. Where are they anyway? There are some really boring games on the market today.
P.S. It was 10million Amiga paid Gateway.
P.P.S. Sayonara MS Windows... Eventually
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 81 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 02-Mar-2003 12:41 GMT
Hahaa! I can't believe that there are still people left who firmly believe that AI are doing something worthwhile for the platform. This could be due to the obvious misassociation by them where they somehow seem to connect AI into OS4 development which is completely false. The only connection AI has there is the licencing where they receive money from the effort of Hyperion software.

Someone also posted a warning that if people claim those t-shirts for them, they aren't true amigans because by doing that they would kill the platform.

HAH! Yeah right! What platform is he talking about anyway? There is no amiga platform left in the sense we once knew it (one company responsible for everything) While AI are doing NOTHING themselves, Hyperion has the legal right to develop AmigaOS into the future with or WITHOUT AI. The same I imagine applies to EyeTech.

So now that as we have only 2 companies left that actually produce amiga software and hardware for the market, what good is AI for anymore? Nothing would change in respect to the current situation except maybe there would be LESS SCAMMING!

And before someone goes into reminding that there is always the DE/Anywhere, let me also remind you that all that stuff is available in different name from a lot more respectable company called TAO.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 82 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Colin O`Neal on 02-Mar-2003 12:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (gz):
Very well put, the only people i see sticking up for Amiga inc are either employees or the total die hards who hate anything negative said about the fantastic Amiga inc.

What the hell has Amiga inc done to make people still want to defend them?

If they can not deliever something so simple and easy as t-shirts then they are not up to the job of saving the Amiga and should leave it to the proper Amiga people.

I do not know if the coupon thing is a scam or genuine but it looks very wrong.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 83 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 02-Mar-2003 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (bbrv):
3seas looks over at BBRV and begins to grin, bigger and bigger.....LOL....heheh hAHA..HoHO...... 3sea sides are beginning to hurt......in realizing all the facets of the BBRV offer....

3seas then sees the message right after BBRVs message..... calms down and realizes what BBRV offered really went way over the head of some.....hehehe.

Hey.... anyone actually got a coupon?

hehehe

very clever bbrv....
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 84 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 02-Mar-2003 14:48 GMT
Remember, Amiga, Inc. said they were a software company at the start.
I think their goal was to create a software/hardware combination that had
the ability to work across platforms, and OS's, and the start was on
shoring up amiga(classic)...and 3.9 came out....
Then the DE was supposed to kick in...and then A0S4.0..and then onward and
upward.

Unfortunately, none of those (except 3.9) has really kicked in...too many
announcements with no product....so Amiga finds itself with little industry
support (I mean, even the Microsoft association they have is enjoyed by many
other companies...who doesn't develop for microsoft?)...But they could have
done better just distributing software for Microsoft platforms...right?

So they are in a precarious situation...if not finished....Who knows, they]
may be auctioning the IP already....

It sounded nice on paper, but they haven't been able to pull it off, and no
amounts of updates, good cheer, loyalty, screen-shots, tightlippedness, will
really help. Only the delivery of real product.

Also, it always helps to keep your word...even in small things, like the T-shirts. That builds confidence in your company with the public. Not coming
through on the T-shirts, and updates on SDK, or slipped promises will not
help anyone...

My recommendation...sell IP rights to a consortium of Eyetech, Hyperion,
Grasshopper LLC, Nova Design, Haage-Partner, Vaporware, Irsee, Ibrowse, Elbox, and any other company who actually has a history of making REAL PRODUCTS for
the Amiga....

Also, don't forget VISCORP under the direction(?) of others faltered badly after its announced intention of buying Amiga...so don't look for any
socalled "white knight" to rescue the Amiga...hard work, and dedication and
the goal of producing useful, salable products will work.

Good luck, but we really cannot at this time count on Amiga,Inc. to come
through...sorry Mr. Akey.

I reserve the right to be wrong.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 85 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by JoeBlow on 02-Mar-2003 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Lando):
Get a life.....

Sue for $50....?

Your F... crazy.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 86 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 02-Mar-2003 15:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Atheist2):
You know, you just described MorphOS with your requirements for an OS.

I still loved rebooting the machines at CES. 5 seconds from hw powerup to full desktop availibility.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 87 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 02-Mar-2003 15:23 GMT
Hello gz and Colin O`Neal,

You two must be quite rich. I and many other people, live from check to check. I don't have a statistic for you, but on the news I've often heard, that most people who own homes, if they lost their jobs, would go belly up in 3 months. Amiga Inc. and thousands of companies operate on low to questionable cash flow models. Spreadsheets are useless, if you have no accounts receivable. People say Amiga Inc. are useless now that Hyperion is in control of the project. But it was Amiga Inc. that continued from where Gateway left off, having done (I'm guessing) nothing? They risked capital on 7 year old IP. They looked for partners everywhere. Went to where they were, to present it. But the people it was shown to, just didn't get it. You have to use an Amiga to understand it. They entered verbal agreements with some people, who later got cold feet and backed out. Bill or Fleecy couldn't do anything about that. The exciting plans we saw were based on other companies abilities in conjunction with AOS. Any of them could have succeeded, but AInc could not do so alone.

I was dissapointed with the linux one, in particular. I didn't want an OS on an OS. Finally, they ended up with Hyperion. AInc. chose them. And now you think AInc. should be chucked out like an old boot?

AInc. has done the impossible, and all they get is insults and rude commentary? It's not fair. $50 is not going to destroy anyones life. If a person who sent in $50 was that close to rock bottom, what are doing trying to buy a computer?

Think about this for a while, sony is a $60 billion dollar company, and yet it took them 2 years to make and put the network broadband adapter for the PS2 on the market, and may have taken longer if it weren't for the x-bux coming out with it built in.

Anything you may want to accuse them of, was IMHO, ideas that went sour due to circumstances way beyond their control and they only had the best of intentions, when they originally did them.

Amiga! Programming is NOT easy.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 88 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 16:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Colin O`Neal):
> Bill Bucks please provide documents to back up the above comments and i would be happy to take up your £50 off a Peg.

Hey, don't get greedy. He was only offering 50US$ :-)
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 89 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 02-Mar-2003 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 (Atheist2):
" AInc. has done the impossible, "

And what, exactly, HAVE they done?

Apart from take people's money and fail to deliver - more than once.

Face facts - AInc have broken every single promise they ever made, and they have totally failed to deliver anything.

And yet you want us all wo worship them for their scams, lies, broken promises and failure to deliver anything after many years?

Sorry, it ain't gonna happen.

They've screwed too many people too many times for them to be let off with it.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 90 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Alex Klauke on 02-Mar-2003 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (bbrv):
Hey Bill, you couldn't resist, could you?

> We have given more than 2000 away already!

Peg II's? How that? ;-) Oh, now I see, so you produce 2.000 t-shirts rather than PegasosOnes..?
Is there more money to earn with (not when you give it away for free, but that could just be a teaser?)? :-)
Next I want is a shirt in Armani design if thats the only thing you can produce in sufficient numbers.

Anyway, good deal, $ 50 spend, $ 100 in return plus 2 shirts. Not bad, as I did ever say that I may be
interested in a Peg II one day (when it runs OS 4 and Mos and Linux) besides the AmigaOne. If anything I
do buy hardware after all, I don't have to buy what the people on top have to say (if they 'have' to).
Only problem is that a web site comment is not legally binding, so we can't fix you on that. Smart move.

Market your business as good as you can Bill, even if you think comments on Ann.lu are the best
(the cheapest in any case.. :-/). But keep to _your_ business, don't throw stones at others, it could once
backfire.

Or was the Peg I not 12 months late? (first said to be ready by 10/01) Yes, I hate waiting, there is no
difference between MorphOS1.0/Peg I and AmigaOS4/AmigaOne and AmigaDE for that matter, we
waited so long for _any_ company to succeed. A simple coupon, a shirt, whatever, does not matter. We're
waiting for a platform to be revived. A platform that should carry on the name. You had your chances, the
latest with OS4 on your machine(s) to boost your sales has passed away, you did not take 'em. Don't
blame this on anyone else and start to build you a market of your own where you can pay your rents and
feed your family from.

Sometimes I wish bPlan would be on its own yet. Only sometimes. ;-)

Ciao, Alex

'No Genesi without Amiga'
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 91 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Max on 02-Mar-2003 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Alex Klauke):
LOL you know you are very funny. What you say just show how ignorant you are.
If you were just a bit informed on the situation you'll not post what you posted. I'll not give you more detail because if you are enough clever, you'll find out by yourself.

Btw just a little correction to you last sentence: 'No Amiga Inc without Phase 5' and of course 'No Phase 5 without Commodore Amiga' and 'No Commodore Amiga without Amiga Corp".
But you know without the guys who are behind Genesi, there would be no Amiga anymore today and no Amiga users. Amiga Inc have done a little to make the Amiga survive if not nothing.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 92 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Alex Klauke on 02-Mar-2003 16:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
> AInc have broken every single promise they ever made,

The really only promise they made is to develope the AmigaDE (formerly AmiVerse/Amie) to run on any
device from mobile to server. The AmigaOne was not on the original agenda, but is coming. AmigaOS for
PPC the same. Remains AmigaDE. (Amithlon was never their product and not in their control at any time)

> and they have totally failed to deliver anything.

In your book maybe. Maybe they even have not delivered as much as they wanted until now. But if you are
going to nitpick I tell you that there are products selling since October 2001. Even if that's not the whole
thing they promised, even if it is not what _you_ want. They _have_ delivered _something_. Have they not?

Anyway, I'm on the save side. I do not risk any money and I did never _expect_ AmigaInc. to make any
significant impact before 2003-05. As if the first Amiga company had not spent 3 yrs. before releasing
the Amiga (1982-84 'til the Amiga1000 was introduced. Even then it lastet another 3-4 yrs for the Amiga
to be a broad success). Those 3 yrs. are now over and now I expect sth. from them. Earlier was just not
realistic. But one can _hope_, only that 'hopes' are not guaranteed to be fullfilled in time. I was aware.
Were you?

Ciao, Alex
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 93 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 02-Mar-2003 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
> AInc have broken every single promise they ever made, and they have totally failed to deliver anything.

Liar.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 94 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by tonya on 02-Mar-2003 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Lando):
when u read the signon deal (for the money + tshirt etc) what did it say?
flame bait...i wont bite over this lame shit.

please log on to the website and write em back NOW! , if you dont ...then you havent paid the money...easy as that! , oh btw...bring a reciet ...

instead of saying bla bla.... PROVE IT!

if you allready have....i am sorry ..., hope to see ya in the list ASAP!
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 95 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 02-Mar-2003 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Alex Klauke):
OK, so where's this all-pervasive AmigaDE?

Oh look! Nowhere.

AInc have developed and delivered preceisely NOTHING. Period.

Afger several years of lying, bullshit, scams and mor lies, they have failed utterly to deliver.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 96 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 02-Mar-2003 17:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
> AInc have developed and delivered preceisely NOTHING. Period.

Tautological liar.
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 97 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Ken Davey on 02-Mar-2003 17:43 GMT
Under English,law Amiga Inc can be prosecuted under the 1999 sale of goods act, this is because they advertised in England even though it was via the Internet. A similar law applies in the American courts.
The law states all goods advertised for sale must be ready for sale or within a resonable time, Amiga Inc stated they would supply products which they have not. From experience I would say a prosecution would have a good chance of being won, both here and in America.
ken
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 98 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 02-Mar-2003 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Ketzer):
So tell me, Ketzer, what HAVE the great AInc developed and delivered? Do tell...

AmigaDE SDK? No. They relerased a partial version which was developed by TAO.

AmigaOS? nope, they have developed no OS whatsoever. They let H&P have a go at not releasing one, and now Hyperion are having a go, but NOTHING from AInc.

So come on, what HAVE Ainc developed and released? Not even a fecking T-Shirt!
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 99 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 02-Mar-2003 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (tonya):
>when u read the signon deal (for the money + tshirt etc) what did it
>say?

Uhh.. I don't remember - it was eight months ago.

>flame bait...i wont bite over this lame shit.
>
>please log on to the website and write em back NOW!

Ok. It says -
"When you join "Club Amiga" for USD 50.00... you will receive a shirt signifying your membership, a coupon that can be used for a USD 50.00... discount on an AmigaOne, or OS 4.0 "

>, if you dont
>...then you havent paid the money...easy as that! , oh btw...
>bring a reciet ...

I don't have a reciept. I can photocopy my credit card statement that shows the money being paid to Amiga Inc last July if you like?

>instead of saying bla bla.... PROVE IT!

Here is part of the email I got sent from AInc when I joined -

"Greetings Amiga-Anywhere customer, This e-mail is being sent as confirmation that Amiga has received your coupon order and that you are now a lifetime member of the \"I Am Amiga\" club."

And this is what Eyetech said when I asked about redeeming the coupon -

"The club scheme is an Amiga Inc promotion and nothing directly to do with
us, Hyperion or other AmigaOne dealers."

>if you allready have....i am sorry ..., hope to see ya in the list
>ASAP!

Sorry but you've lost me now. What list? Hope to see you there too, as soon as I find out!
Amiga 50$ Coupon + T-Shirt : Comment 100 of 126ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 02-Mar-2003 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
>> " AInc. has done the impossible, "

> And what, exactly, HAVE they done?


They have presented vague press releases about a new AmigaOS, based on a loosely defined idea about something called "AmigaDE", which in turn would be based on Tao's intent/Elate.


They have failed to bring "AmigaDE" beyond the idea/marketing stage. Instead all that there is is a "compatibility layer" for MS WindowsCE/PocketPC devices, and it's changeing names every 3-6 months without new development happening (currently it's "AACE", "Amiga Anywhere Content Engine" or something). Most of this is still Tao's stuff.


They use the Amiga trademark to market other people's PDA/mobile phone games for this "AACE".


They failed to make (=as far as anyone outside AInc knows, they never even started to make) a new version of AmigaOS, while continuing to give bogus announcements about "on schedule and rocking". They eventually let Hyperion take over the AmigaOS 4.0 project.


When Eyetech/Escena failed to make new Amiga hardware (AmigaOne 1200), and AmigaOS could finally have been freed from the old "Amiga hardware" ball-and-chain, they allowed the now irrelevant Eyetech to create a hardware vendor licensing scheme in order to keep a restricted "Amiga market" for third party hardware (VSRs - LOL at that one, Greenboy! :D ). Why did AInc allow this disaster to happen? Incompetence, ignorance, a thank-you-for-services-not-rendered to Eyetech or just plain disinterest in the severe consequences it'll have for AmigaOS?



How is this "doing the impossible", Atheist2?




They prestented an "offer" where people could borrow them $50 for an indeterminate period of time as a partial pre-payment for Mai Logic's Teron boards, or Hyperion's AmigaOS, or both, or something... Nobody said how much whatever was pre-payed for would cost, or when it was supposed to be available, or how it all would be performed in practice. It turned out that the plan hadn't even been discussed with the only allowed Teron-distributor for AmigaOS-users, Eyetech. The reasons AInc provided for people to send in their money have varied from "supporting the Amiga", "market research", "lottery" ("if a bazillion people give us their money we'll have a raffle for an 'Amiga cellphone' and a trip to Mars") to the latest "corporate fanclub where you'll get the privilege of reading our advertising before everybody else!". As we can see, the promised T-shirt bonus/freebie never materialised, and neither did those coupons.

OK, I'll grant you that it seems like "doing the impossible" to get a thousand people to fall for this, but then again we remaining Amiga people have always been a bit... "special". ;)


In more than three years, what products have AInc produced?
- Parts of what makes the "AACE".
- Parts of what makes the SDK for this.
Are other Tao licensees also "doing the impossible"?
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