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Amiga Inc, as promised have released their amigaclub march newsletter and is available on the AmigaOS site. Join AmigaClub now and read up on the progress being made and help Amiga. Amiga Inc, as promised have released their amigaclub march newsletter and is available on the AmigaOS site. Join AmigaClub now and read up on the progress being made and help Amiga. (PS. this is just a fan of amiga trying to help the community, please don't start flame wars etc)
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 1 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 02-Mar-2003 09:49 GMT
I think $50 is a bit of a price for information that Amiga should provide everybody at no cost via www.amiga.com.

Not a flame just my take on it :-)
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 2 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Dan Boyd on 02-Mar-2003 10:04 GMT
When do the rest of us get an update? C'mon it's been 3 months.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 3 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by SlimJim on 02-Mar-2003 10:10 GMT
From reading amiga.org, it seems to be some interesting stuff in there. One of the
first real good incentives I've heard for being a member. :-)

Hey, it's actually delivered on time, too! Good to see.
.
SlimJim
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 4 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 02-Mar-2003 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Troels E):
> I think $50 is a bit of a price for information that Amiga should provide everybody at no cost via www.amiga.com.

But then people would complain that club members get "nothing" ;)
Oh wait, theyre doing that already.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 5 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Mellor on 02-Mar-2003 10:47 GMT
A very interesting read, especially tha article about the `PowerAmiga 500'.

Well worth anybody with an interest in AmigaOS joining for the latest info.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 6 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 02-Mar-2003 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (SlimJim):
SlimJim wrote:
> From reading amiga.org, it seems to be some interesting stuff in there. One of the first real good incentives I've heard for being a member. :-)

It's good to see people getting something for their $50, but I don't know how much it builds their userbase to keep this information secret when the competitors are doing so much public market-building, and getting results. Something I hear about these newsletters is that whatever's in them can't be that significant or it'd either be kept totally within the company or made completely public, to try to bring developers and customers on board. But I guess Amiga, Inc. has its own reasoning.

-- gary_c
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 7 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 11:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (gary_c):
Gary-c

Everything in the newsletter will be released to everyone like Amiga.inc
has always done.

Its just thats the clubmembers get to see it first.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 8 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 02-Mar-2003 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Troels E):
as well as the monthly newsletter, the $50 i spent will be $50 off an AmigaOne when i buy it.

i think that is a good deal if you ask me. at the end of the day its free monthly updates about many many things amiga related.

i couldnt care less about a t-shirt as this newsletter has been a good read now for the last couple months.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 9 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Troels E on 02-Mar-2003 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (derf):
"as well as the monthly newsletter, the $50 i spent will be $50 off an AmigaOne when i buy it."

Hopefully you are right:)

"i think that is a good deal if you ask me. at the end of the day its free monthly updates about many many things amiga related."

If you get the $50 it's certainly a good thing. Problem is that with a price of $50 a YEAR they will never increase the number of members.

"i couldnt care less about a t-shirt as this newsletter has been a good read now for the last couple months."

It probably is for the 1150 who get's it... It's just not a very good way to show the masses that something is actually happening at Amiga.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 10 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 02-Mar-2003 11:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (derf):
@Derf

Well the competition also has newsletters for the "usual suspects", but one
hadn't to pay for the privilege ........

If AInc has anything positive (and factual) to say, then they should say it.
because they way there are doing it now, costs them costumers on a daily basis.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 11 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by FvE on 02-Mar-2003 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Kronos):
>...because they way there are doing it now, costs them costumers on a daily basis.

I didn't know they were interested into getting new suits (except lawsuits perhaps) ;-)
Oh, I think you meant to say "consumers"...
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 12 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Rieplosion on 02-Mar-2003 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Kronos):
Don't worry, Kronos - almost every ANN-comment of bbrv contains more
(interesting) information than those 20 pages of this official
AI-magazine...
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 13 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 13:07 GMT
"Amigan: n. A p. suffering from one of the relatively rare mental retardation illnesses that causes an urge to pay for being sent advertisements."

We're a sad bunch aren't we? :) No, I think most of us saw the scam a mile away, but in my gullible early teens I might have been stupid enough to "join the club" or whatever the hell they ultimately called the scheme.
I hope you feel special now, poor suckers. For $50, you should. :)

"Help Amiga"? Will someone please beat some common sense into this person?
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 14 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 13:22 GMT
How is attacking,rubbing salt into the wounds, of the ppl who payed to join the clud actualy helping then.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 15 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 02-Mar-2003 15:28 GMT
Heh, when you think releasing a newsletter "as promised" is something noteworthy, then you KNOW that the company in question is dead in the water.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 16 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 02-Mar-2003 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
It helps people feel all warm inside knowing they never lost $50. Smug as a bug in a rug, as the saying almost goes.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 17 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 15:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (tinman):
Well the $50 fee was for membership & money off an Aone Or Aos4.

The TShirt was a freebie

Your not paying for a Tshirt.

what a bunch of babies.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 18 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by X on 02-Mar-2003 15:38 GMT
What does the Newsletter say? Could someone
do a cut 'n' paste of it and post it here on
ann.lu. I am sure there are many curious people
here...

Or does Amiga prohibit this?
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 19 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by CnlPepper on 02-Mar-2003 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (X):
from amiga's (non-passworded) website:

"Content may not be reprinted or reproduced in part or in whole without express written consent of Amiga Inc.
Amiga Inc. reserves the right to cancel membership for any and all breach of content reproduction restrictions."

CnlPepper - Pointing out the easy to find :p :)
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 20 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 16:21 GMT
Not a good way to treat registered developers is it!?

Previously the "AmigaWorld" magazine was free, now they have replaced it with something apparently similar but which costs $50 to read, what a rip off. Registered developer log on does not work, must have to give Amino an extra $50 first...

Getting sick and tired of being f*cked around by Amino all the time...I suspect I am not the only one...
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 21 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 02-Mar-2003 16:39 GMT
I can't fathom what they were thinking with this. $50 to find out about A1 progress. *boggle*
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 22 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
>Getting sick and tired of being f*cked around by Amino all the time...I suspect I am not the only one...

All others have LEFT !
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 23 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 02-Mar-2003 17:13 GMT
Would you all just put a sock in it.

how come every post on Amiga inc. turns into a $50 coupon thread?

I for one bought a freaking coupon, not for the newsletter, not for the club membership, and not for the t-shirt. But to get the $50 discount on A1/OS4 when it becomes available.

As it havent become available yet, no one have screwed me over, as no one have not hold their end of the deal yet. If i don't get the $50 discount on A1/OS4, feel free to call me a sucker then. but not until it for a fact is proven that Amiga inc. don't intend to honor the deal.

know back on topic:
Damn the improved Amidock looks way cool, properly one of the best dock/launchers i've seen for any platform. if as much attention to detail have been given to the rest of the OS4 project. were surely in for a big surprice.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 24 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 02-Mar-2003 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Lasse Bodilsen):
> know back on topic:
> Damn the improved Amidock looks way cool, properly one of the best dock/launchers i've seen for any platform. if as much attention to detail have been given to the rest of the OS4 project. were surely in for a big surprice.

Ofcourse youre referring to the AmigaOS fact sheet and not the cam which is confidential ;)

Yup, looks good.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 25 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by FvE on 02-Mar-2003 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Lasse Bodilsen):
I agree with you.
It seems that most people complaining are actually people who never bought a coupon in the first place.
On top of that, it's not like $50 is all that much money, some people make it sound like $500...
Now if people do not get their $50 back after their AmigaOne purchase, then you could speak of a rip-off, but until then it isn't.

Also, someone said that any of bbrv's post contains more 'interesting news/information' - ofcourse thats your opinion and you're entitled to one, however, I hope I'm not the only one whose hairs on the back of the neck rise whenever I read bbrv's posts. I just don't trust that bb, sorry.
I've ordered a Pegasos, and an AmigaOne and neither has arrived yet, but I for one will make up my own mind who to support after having played with both computers. Just my rant on this...
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 26 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 02-Mar-2003 17:46 GMT
it's nothing more than what to expect from Amiga in teh way of promoting elitism.

if you can separate those who believe from those who don't then you have a better chance of building your cult. Especially if you charge the believers.

On another note, I found linuxcd.org to have supprisingly inexpensive CD distros of many distros of Linux... Even other stuff, like the Hurd and BSD...

Back on topic, Amiga has a history of knowing how to create hype (I remember the Jim Collas speach written by Bill and given at a Gateway show in St. Louis.) Meaning regardless of what you read in the newsletter, it is only words written. And I don't recall paying that much for a subscription to any Amiga magizine or even user group club dues.

It does nobody any good to continue on with such fabricated elitism and promotion of. And what could you expect in the event Amiga actually does something, but the balloning of such elitism. Such a thing is not healthy but can only lead to greater levels of conflict between elitist and what could only be scum commoners in the eyes of the elitist.

As to information that is supposedly given first to members..... the question must be asked...... When does this information become available to everyone else?

insider trading........a con game...
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 27 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 18:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (X):
Wanna read it? Join the club. It's under login, it's reserved
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 28 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 02-Mar-2003 18:20 GMT
My thought is that if the information given in this so called "members-only
letter" was so important/great news (such as: OS4 working on ppc and/or finished
and/or will be released on xx xx), they would have made it public...

So... To Club-members: keep your letter... and keep on dreaming ;)
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 29 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 02-Mar-2003 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (3seas):
So "elitsm" is the next thing Amiga is accused of - how inventive. Are you a communist? :P
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 30 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 02-Mar-2003 18:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Leo):
Any information contained within will be public ... later.

> So... To Club-members: keep your letter... and keep on dreaming ;)

No problem.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 31 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by CodeSmith on 02-Mar-2003 18:57 GMT
What a predictable reaction from the vocal moronity... if Amiga hadn't released their monthly newsletter, there would be crowing and gloating ("no newsletter? man that's sad, they can't even deliver a newsletter on time"). Since they have released their newsletter, it's canned response B ("wow, they actually managed to deliver a measly newsletter. That's pretty sad"). Is this the only pleasure you people get, putting others down (who are in much the same position *you* are BTW)? now *that* is pretty sad.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 32 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Leo on 02-Mar-2003 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ketzer):
>Any information contained within will be public ... later.

I hope they will have the idea to make it public before going out of buisness...
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 33 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 02-Mar-2003 19:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Leo):
>>Any information contained within will be public ... later.
>I hope they will have the idea to make it public before going out of buisness...

What a well thought out comment ... who should care about that information if they go bust?
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 34 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 02-Mar-2003 19:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Ketzer):
"So "elitsm" is the next thing Amiga is accused of - how inventive. Are you a communist? :P"

Next??? You must be new.... As it's been an ongoing undercurrent even before Amino, of those in control of Amiga Inc. and to some degree, a requirement of their followers.

There is a difference between an accuasation and an observation. You should learn to know the difference.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 35 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 02-Mar-2003 19:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Troels E):
>>"as well as the monthly newsletter, the $50 i spent will be $50 off an AmigaOne when i buy it."

>Hopefully you are right:)

i hope so too :) but honestly, its only just now that the amigaone's are being shipped, so i have no reason to doubt this as no one has had a chance to redeem their voucher really.

>>"i think that is a good deal if you ask me. at the end of the day its free >>monthly updates about many many things amiga related."

>If you get the $50 it's certainly a good thing. Problem is that with a price >of $50 a YEAR they will never increase the number of members.

as i have said before, the $50 you spend is $50 off something you buy, the extras are just that.. extras.. freebies..

those that paid $50 first have a lifetime of CAM updates to get used to ;) when amiga start charging just for these extras then you can say what you want ;)

>>"i couldnt care less about a t-shirt as this newsletter has been a good read >>now for the last couple months."

>It probably is for the 1150 who get's it... It's just not a very good way to >show the masses that something is actually happening at Amiga.

well the ppl that got it are telling you something is happening, isnt that what you wanted to hear ? and the masses are not that 'mass'.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 36 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 02-Mar-2003 19:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Kronos):
>Well the competition also has newsletters for the "usual suspects", but one
>hadn't to pay for the privilege ........

i didnt pay to get a t-shirt, or a monthly update, i paid $50 to get $50 off an amigaone.

>If AInc has anything positive (and factual) to say, then they should say it.
>because they way there are doing it now, costs them costumers on a daily basis.

if they did do an update first thing tomorrow, you wouldnt believe it. its a bit of bad luck that due to Gary P's medical condition he hasnt been as active as he once was, and there is a void that he has left.

it has been good to see Ray A's posts recently as they are good fun posts and he doesnt get bogged down in politics, which cant be said for almost everyone else involved in the main groups.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 37 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 02-Mar-2003 20:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (3seas):
> Next??? You must be new.... As it's been an ongoing undercurrent even before Amino, of those in control of Amiga Inc. and to some degree, a requirement of their followers.

Maybe I repressed that BS.

> There is a difference between an accuasation and an observation. You should learn to know the difference.

Your subjective observations are merely an opinion based upon which you accuse Amiga of being elitist.

But ofcourse you only wanted to post something evil and scary .. rofl.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 38 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 02-Mar-2003 20:38 GMT
you can always use google groups to see where and how active Gary has been in the newsgroups, perhaps google web to see elsewhere????

Shrug....

but in any event, lets be fair. If Garys condition is guarded and there is a void to fill because of it...... perhaps reasonable steps should be taken to fill that void while helping Gary to not feel his condition is causing a void.

In other words, and as a matter of business and health....... don't use someones possible medical condition to obtain a sympathy vote. As some might consider that rather low.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 39 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Ray A. Akey on 02-Mar-2003 22:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
Where did anyone ever say that Club Amiga Magazine was a replacement for Amiga World? 2 + 2 does not equal 5.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 40 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Mar-2003 22:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (X):
Just get on a file sharing network. I think I found a copy on eDonkey.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 41 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 02-Mar-2003 23:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Lasse Bodilsen):
"If i don't get the $50 discount on A1/OS4"

If OS4 costs 150$ when it gets released and you have now spent 50$ in advance to get a "discount" So you have to pay 100$ for the product AND you STILL have also paid the 50$ EARLIER for the coupon. 100$+50$ = 150$.

Now perhaps you could explain me where is the discount if the original price of product is 150$ and after the coupon you still have lost 150$ from your wallet?

Now that's what I call a SCAM discount ;)
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 42 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 02-Mar-2003 23:53 GMT
Well we definetly got our $50 in entertainment value while reading all the comments about the $50! In fact I think some of these posters are getting a little extra mileage out of it! I think the horse is dead guys!

- Mike
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 43 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Bert Dorhout on 03-Mar-2003 00:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (derf):
>if they did do an update first thing tomorrow, you
>wouldnt believe it.

Because it's incredible news (nice choice of words, huh? :-) or because people here/the poster you replied to just don't believe the updates....?

Bert
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 44 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Mar-2003 01:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (gz):
To be exact, you actually even "lost" money by buying the coupon month ago because you might have earned money from interest by investing the money. That's called opportunity costs.
OK, that's ignoring the promised T-Shirt and the regular news from CAM which may be considered as a counter-value.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 45 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by xter on 03-Mar-2003 01:36 GMT
Hi,

Have someone else than me noticed that the number of Amiga club members are still increasing even if the competition is over. That should indicate that there are people willing to pay $50 dollars for supporting Amiga and getting some bonus things (even if it's delayed).

http://www.amiga-anywhere.com/main.php?PS=1
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 46 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 03-Mar-2003 01:58 GMT
I usually like to post a comment or two, but what to say about this thread...ho hum...I have always maintained if they want the most club members, they should actually do something...like posts news and updates. It will give them the most club members, that is reality..so good move on Amiga, Inc's part...but with that said, that is not the whole story...it works cause of the large number of 'gullible dorks' out there....now its time to poke a little fun.

Amiga, Inc. and the clubbers are having another one of their imagination fests...Jimmy:, what if we get real big someday when we grow up, I'll be a fireman...and Susan: I'll be a truck driver, and Bill: I'll compete head to head with Sony and Microsoft in the video game arena.

You can do anything Billy!

There, now you all know exactly what the club site is all about, so go to sleep and don't worry on it anymore.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 47 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Mar-2003 02:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (xter):
Of course there are. The remaining Amigans are mostly gullible morons, the sub-human minority of computer users who couldn't figure out that expensive, slow, poor quality hardware and expensive, slow, poor quality software add up to a bad platform. Bill regularly scams thousands of dollars out of these people.

If it weren't for a few decent people who get caught out (like Bernd) and waste their time working on the Amiga instead of helping with the millions of non-scam projects out there, it would be easy to dismiss the whole thing as a sideshow, like those TV preachers and forget about it.
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 48 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by acg on 03-Mar-2003 03:48 GMT
Actually, it's good that the club newsletter came out...at leastsomeone is alive (iguess).....P.S.--I sent a check to Amiga to join the club when the firstpromo started, but I sent it registered mail with return receipt..it never got picked up from the post office....so I got it back..All, in all I wish Amiga would start releasing real PRODUCTS....P.S...although you cannot reproduce the stuff from the newsletter, can'tsomeone paraphrase it?I.E. --if AoS4.0 is progressing, how far along is it?How is the emulation mode working...."If you build it....they will come" ---Field of Dreams (movie)
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 49 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 03-Mar-2003 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (acg):
why dont you ask Hyperion ? oh wait, ben just did an interview only last week about it.

not alot has changed you know...
Amigaclub march news letter out as promised : Comment 50 of 89ANN.lu
Posted by derf on 03-Mar-2003 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (gz):
its called making yourself known. you are going to buy something, you arnt going to lose any money by doing it, and you get a couple extras as well, and all for $50 ?

so lets see, at the end of it all, im still up. im not losing out on anything.
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